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Title: Roulette Raid
Post by: keith4444 on June 12, 2008, 03:45:22 AM
Hi Guys

I'm new here having found this forum on Rouletteforum.net

Has anyone tried the above program Roulette Raid? ( nolinks.ezesoftware.co.uk )

I've bought the full version and have been using it for a couple of weekes now (in demo on live wheel) with very good results!

Just wondering if anyone else has seen or used it?

It runs 5 systems at once, I've been using the Solex system which aims to predict single number wins. Usually its correct within 30-50 spins. It uses progression so a good profit is usualy earned each session.

feedback from any users would be appreciated!

Keith
Title: Re: Roulette Raid
Post by: admin on June 12, 2008, 10:58:24 AM
Hello Keith, [smiley=welcome/welcome07.png]

Personally I haven't used Roulette Raid, maybe others can help.

Best regards and enjoy the forum.

P.S. Moved your post from FULL SYSTEMS...  ;)
Victor
Title: Re: Roulette Raid
Post by: 37to1 on June 13, 2008, 07:28:25 PM
Hi Keith we've been using RouletteRaid for a couple of weeks now! Really seems to be something in this one. We use solex and hit mostly within 20, our longest has been 48 and shortest 2. We were put on to it by a croupier at Gala Leeds who tried to sell it to us for £400. Try dublinbet, it's working for us and seems the one everyone recommends.

Title: Re: Roulette Raid
Post by: 37to1 on June 13, 2008, 07:33:40 PM
QuoteHello Keith, [smiley=welcome/welcome07.png]

Personally I haven't used Roulette Raid, maybe others can help.

Best regards and enjoy the forum.

P.S. Moved your post from FULL SYSTEMS...  ;)
Victor


Hi Victor, RouletteRaid is a full system, I think Keith had it right. Great forum  ;)
Title: Re: Roulette Raid
Post by: keith4444 on June 13, 2008, 07:41:59 PM
Hey there ;)
Many thanks for your reply!
Yep I too use DB but only in demo at the moment for about 3 weeks as well!
I've yet to "bust" out and am currently using a 400:1 bank to stake ratio (£400 bank for £1 stakes)
I enter the last 10 numbers from the history next to the webcam screen do you do this as well? Its kind of like having 10 free spins!

What bank to stake ratio are you using at the mo? are you using it for real play?
Interesting that croupier recommended it to you, must be something in it then! £400 is a mickey take tho glad you didnt take him up on it!
Its a shame you cant use it in a real casino eh! Still live dealers online is good enough I suppose!

I agree this is a GREAT forum :)
Title: Re: Roulette Raid
Post by: 37to1 on June 13, 2008, 08:22:01 PM
Real play from day one! We started with a bank of £200 but never even got half way through on the worst run. Like the idea of the 10 from history, doesn't it mess up the progression though? (suppose it would mess it in your favor though, bigger win earlier etc.) I'll try that tonight.

Hit £220 last night with £1 starting stake.  :thumbsup:

Have you ever tried any other live wheels?
Title: Re: Roulette Raid
Post by: keith4444 on June 14, 2008, 04:10:38 AM
Hi again

I've only tried Jebet.com other than DB but they are essentially the same wheel just slightly different table limits.

I assume you use 200:1 bank stake ratio? or did you start with 50p chips using your £200?

Well done on that £220 win! How many wins was that in total?

Do you stop at a certain amount of wins per day?

Will be going live soon myself :)
Title: Re: Roulette Raid
Post by: keith4444 on June 18, 2008, 06:05:29 PM
37to1 are you still havning sucess with RR?
Title: Re: Roulette Raid
Post by: 37to1 on June 20, 2008, 04:56:09 AM
Quote from: keith4444 on June 18, 2008, 06:05:29 PM
37to1 are you still having success with RR?

Yep, still using it. Only on Solex though, I haven't tried the others yet. Good wins every night for me. I've set myself a limit of 50 spins without a win, I haven't hit that yet on real play. My wins last night came on the 8 and 34 spin, which seems to be the norm for me (two wins in about 40).

Sorry I haven't been on for a bit, seems the site was out for a while!!!! :)
Title: Re: Roulette Raid
Post by: admin on June 20, 2008, 08:09:10 PM
Quoteseems the site was out for a while!!!!
Yes, it was.




Hey mate, what's the numerical coverage for solex? How many numbers covered? ;D
Title: Re: Roulette Raid
Post by: TwoCatSam on June 20, 2008, 11:55:09 PM
I just purchased Roulette Raid and ran about three hundred live numbers through from Riverbelle.  This software really seems to work.  It picks a single number on Solex and I hit enough to make about $200 or so.

I am going to run spins through from CasinoWebCam and Riverbelle.

Looks promising.

Sam
Title: Re: Roulette Raid
Post by: 37to1 on June 21, 2008, 07:53:28 AM
Quote from: VLSroulette on June 20, 2008, 08:09:10 PM
Quoteseems the site was out for a while!!!!
Yes, it was.




Hey mate, what's the numerical coverage for solex? How many numbers covered? ;D

One number only!!!!! Thats whats amazing about the results this system gets. It predicts a single number and you back it...most wins come within 1-20 spins of another. No idea how its done, but I'm winning night after night.
Title: Re: Roulette Raid
Post by: keith4444 on June 21, 2008, 08:49:23 AM
Great replies guys!

Lets hope we keep on winning!

We should make a note of dealers too as I'm convinced some are more "random" than others.
Title: Re: Roulette Raid
Post by: TwoCatSam on June 21, 2008, 10:33:14 AM
Keith

That last post confused me.  Why dealers?  How would you angle that?  The software doesn't know.

Sam
Title: Re: Roulette Raid
Post by: keith4444 on June 21, 2008, 11:15:15 AM
Hi bud

The software (as far as I know, I could be wrong!) relies on signatures of the dealers kind of like the sector based systems. I assume it works out in some way what the most probable number from the "sector" will win.

This is my opinion on how the program works and may not be totally accurate! I can't see how else it could work as it must be getting something from the numbers we enter!

Also i did a few tests using the "number and neighbours" option that DB has. In my test I never saw more than 11 spins between winners! The amount of "near misses" of less than 2 pockets is unbelievable.

Obviously the wins are lower amounts as your covering 5 numbers per spin as opposed to 1! Also you need to adjust the staking to cover the increased losses between winners.

I'm by no means an expert on Roulette like your good self tho!

Maybe some other users have their theories on how this works?
Title: Re: Roulette Raid
Post by: TwoCatSam on June 21, 2008, 01:00:41 PM
Keith

Thanks for that "expert" compliment.  I'm really not, you know.

I think you are spot on about the numbers having near-misses.  I saw a bunch of them.  But they were numerical, bet 12; 11 hits, and not spatial, bet 0 and 32 hits.  Numbers and their neighbors are spatial.

I'm working today and have little time for roulette.  (Can't believe I'm saying that!)

I'll think on it.

Thanks again!

Sam
Title: Re: Roulette Raid
Post by: keith4444 on June 21, 2008, 03:15:03 PM
Hmm thats very interesting!
I'll try and record my data better from now on and put down actuals against predictions from RR

I suggest we all work together and that way we'll have a lot of data to analyze!
This program is so good we MUST be able to use it to our advantage!


Keith
Title: Re: Roulette Raid
Post by: Roulette787 on June 28, 2008, 12:20:55 PM
Quote from: TwoCatSam on June 21, 2008, 01:00:41 PM
Keith

Thanks for that "expert" compliment.  I'm really not, you know.

I think you are spot on about the numbers having near-misses.  I saw a bunch of them.  But they were numerical, bet 12; 11 hits, and not spatial, bet 0 and 32 hits.  Numbers and their neighbors are spatial.

I'm working today and have little time for roulette.  (Can't believe I'm saying that!)

I'll think on it.

Thanks again!

Sam


I've bought this software too. For me, it just seems to give a break-even result. (I usually go only up to 36 spins)

How many spins do you go in a single session?
Do you use their progression? (increasing bets after 17th spin)

Is there any stop-loss limit for you?


Thanks.
Title: Re: Roulette Raid
Post by: TwoCatSam on June 28, 2008, 01:18:00 PM
Played it once for real money and won a little.

Still testing; too new to rate.

Sam
Title: Re: Roulette Raid
Post by: keith4444 on June 28, 2008, 05:23:03 PM
I've only ever played it in demo. Won 99% of the time but have seen the odd Looooong losing runs too. I'm sure if you have enough bank for your starting stakes and the table limits are say at least 10x initial stakes then your pretty safe with this.
I've heard of people who stop at 36 spins and some of them even flat bet for that many.
I always do exactly what the program tells you to do. That way its a fair test!
Each to their own tho eh!

Let us know how you get on!

Keith
Title: Re: Roulette Raid
Post by: Roulette787 on June 28, 2008, 08:42:21 PM
keith,

Do you play till you get a hit EVERYTIME?
Is there any point which you give-up?

I've been playing in fun-money, (starting $1, BR $100), but there were a quite number of times I ran out of that $100.


Cheers.
Roulette787
Title: Re: Roulette Raid
Post by: 37to1 on July 02, 2008, 10:35:07 AM
Roulette787, I play RouletteRaid Solex most nights.
I play with a bank of 150 euros at DB. I will stop at that should I hit it, however I can't seem to lose with this thing! Some nights I have stopped on one single number win when it takes a long time.

Last night I hit four times in 63 spins!!!!!!



Title: Re: Roulette Raid
Post by: Roulette787 on July 03, 2008, 07:25:42 PM
Quote from: 37to1 on July 02, 2008, 10:35:07 AM
Roulette787, I play RouletteRaid Solex most nights.
I play with a bank of 150 euros at DB. I will stop at that should I hit it, however I can't seem to lose with this thing! Some nights I have stopped on one single number win when it takes a long time.

Last night I hit four times in 63 spins!!!!!!





37to1,

Do you follow the RR recommended progression?
(increasing bets after 16th spin?)
Title: Re: Roulette Raid
Post by: 37to1 on July 04, 2008, 08:32:58 AM
I use RouletteRaids progression, it's nice and slow but normally wins between 20-55 units.  ;D
Title: Re: Roulette Raid
Post by: Clint on July 05, 2008, 05:08:33 PM
Has anyone tried betting the neighbour either side of recommended number using Solex. Obviously we're looking at three units per bet rather than one and a steeper progression but got sick of just missing number, so I tried a quick 100 spin test at Dublinbet yesterday and enjoyed a good few wins. Will try again tomorrow.

Regards

Clint
Title: Re: Roulette Raid
Post by: TwoCatSam on July 05, 2008, 06:05:00 PM
Clint

That is not a bad idea.  I've noticed that once RR starts hitting within two or three numerical spots of where it picked, a win is coming.

Sam
Title: Re: Roulette Raid
Post by: steveh3167 on August 16, 2008, 09:29:07 PM
Whilst playing around with Roulette Raid using spin results kept from past games (from a live wheel) I observed that some numbers generated from the first 10 inputs came up in the second set of 10 numbers from the live spins. I have summarised the observations below. The observations are based on only 21 games of 20 spins each. The first 10 spins were used as history and the resulting Raid numbers compared to the second set of 10 spins.

% of Raid input sequence that appeared in second set of 10 spins:
1 16%
2 9%
3 7%
4 9%
5 9%
6 11%
7 7%
8 20%
9 5%
10 7%

that is of the 1st number generated by Raid following the first actual spin, it appeared 16% of the time in the observations of the second set of 10 live spins.

% of winning spin sequence
1 5%
2 18%
3 14%
4 7%
5 11%
6 11%
7 11%
8 7%
9 9%
10 7%

that is of all numbers generated by Raid in the first set of 10 spins 18% of them came out as winners in the second spin of the second set of 10 live spins.

In all there were 44 winning numbers over the 21 games giving an average of 2 per game. This excludes repeat winners within the second set of 10, if repeats are included the number increases to 52. There was one game in which there were no winners.

Would be interested to know if anyone else has observed or experienced something similiar, or any comments regarding same.

Steve
Title: Re: Roulette Raid
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 16, 2008, 10:30:08 PM
Steve

I have a pot full of numbers from Wild Jack.  Should I break them down into 20s and use the first ten for the indicator?

Sam
Title: Re: Roulette Raid
Post by: steveh3167 on August 17, 2008, 02:44:39 AM
Hi TwoCatSam

Yes. Enter the first 'live' number and record the resulting Solex numbers for 10 spins (in total). For recording purposes ignore the first (default) number that Solex provides before numbers are entered. Then just compare the Solex results against the next set of 10 live numbers from the same spin session.
Regards, Steve
Title: Re: Roulette Raid
Post by: Clint on August 17, 2008, 12:55:16 PM
Hi Steve/2Cat, this is very similar to what I've been testing over the weekend. I've listed each recommended 'Solex' number for five spins then bet only the solex numbers inc future solex numbers after misses. I am hitting within 6-10 spins usually (or 1-5 spins after the original 5) but this will require a steep progression. The longest I've waited (in 500 spins) is 20 numbers (15 step progression) which will have most people inc myself sweating somewhat.

Any advice welcome on this one.

Regards

Clint
Title: Re: Roulette Raid
Post by: steveh3167 on August 18, 2008, 01:04:17 AM
Hi Clint
If others have a similar observation to mine my way of playing the numbers would be different to yours.

Based on the results I have observed, and their pattern at this early time, I would start betting the generated Solex numbers (from the first set of 10) in the same order they came out in Solex ie if the first Solex number was say 5 I would bet that number on the first spin for the second set of 10 and so on for the remaining spins.

This negates some of the need for a heavy progression as the numbers bet on increase by one for each spin, I would not be betting on 5 or 10 numbers from the first spin. My strategy would be to stop at the earliest of my stoploss position or at 2 wins. I am happy to make a little each time over the least number of spins over the long haul.

If my observations have any merit 2 wins have a good probability of occurring within 7 spins. With more playing, analysing and results it may be possible to play the first spins at low value units and increase them when experience shows that the wins are due. It comes down to your playing style and profit goals.

Regards, Steve
Title: Re: Roulette Raid
Post by: steveh3167 on August 18, 2008, 05:52:41 AM
TwoCatSam

I have run 17 more games through Raid using some DB numbers JLP has posted in the Actuals thread (the most recent ones).

Results of these are:
1 game no wins
3 games 1 win
9 games 2 wins
2 games 3 wins
2 games 5 wins (repeat numbers included).

If you want to post some of the numbers you are going to test I'm happy to help out with them.

Steve
Title: Re: Roulette Raid
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 18, 2008, 07:08:35 AM
steve

I'd love to test this.  I have questions.

1.  A "game" is what? 20 spins?  You input for ten, excluding the first number Solex gives you, and write down ten numbers.  I have:

1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10 and these are my "trigger numbers".  I then begin betting.

First bet is 1
Second is 1 and 2
Third is 1 2 and 3.  Is that it?

2.  Do you restart the program or continue on?

3.  Do you realize RR gives a different answer each time you run it?

I will run some numbers and post the actual numbers and what I feel happened or should have happened. 

Sam
Title: Re: Roulette Raid
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 18, 2008, 07:42:40 AM
OK, My actuals from Riverbelle:

36
1
21
29
12
20
24
24
33
22

What RR gave me:

11
21
6
30
6
25
23
14
28
14

My next ten actuals:

22
28
6
9
14
32
32
20
15
3
2

I bet 11, then 11 and 21, then 11, 21 and 6 and I get a winner with the six.  Did I do it right?

Sam

Title: Re: Roulette Raid
Post by: steveh3167 on August 19, 2008, 12:42:48 AM
Hi Sam

The structure as to how to obtain the 10 "trigger" numbers is correct and yes it is 20 spins in total but only the second 10 are betting spins. If you are quick enough to get the 10 trigger spins from the history on a live session then you get to bet sooner.

How one bets the triggers is not a 'hard and fast rule'. It is something that I'm still refining but it is also dependant on your playing style, bankroll and profit goals. You could bet on all 10 from the first spin and use a progression that suits your criteria but a stop loss point may be desirable in this case. It doesn't always follow that the winning spins occur in the same sequence as the trigger spins and this is the part that I'm still working on. For example, the 6th trigger number can come up on the first betting spin. In your numbers, the 9th trigger was a win on the 2nd bet spin. I will source some other live spin numbers to increase the sample size.

You will note in your trigger numbers there are 3 wins -  6, 14 & 28 within 5 spins. You can stop play whenever you wish prior to the 10 betting spins. Personally, I would play for 2 wins but stop at the earliest of the stop loss point or 'x' number of spins. I certainly wouldn't play past 10 spins.  It may also be that stopping once the 7th spin has been played is the end, as with the testing to date, this is the point at which 80% of the wins have occured. This would also be of benefit to a progression strategy. For trigger numbers that are winners it is worth continuing to bet them as repeats do occur.

If continuing, I would generate a new set of trigger numbers that does not use any of the 20 numbers from a prior session. On my little testing of using part of the same spin session to generate the trigger numbers, the results have not been as consistent.

Yep, I'm aware of how RR does give different results using the same data. I guess this works for you just as much as it can against you!!

If the results hold up over further testing then the next step will see how best to capture the near misses in addition to the trigger winners. This might help offset the impact of any progression.

I will be off the air for a couple of weeks from Thursday night (in Australia) as there has been a death in the family and I'll be travelling.

Regards, Steve

Title: Re: Roulette Raid
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 19, 2008, 07:29:49 AM
Steve

Thanks for that thought-out reply!!  You know, I did not notice the other two wins.  Duh!

OK, I'm totally up to speed with your last post.  This might be a "once every few hours" play.  Collect ten spins, play, snooze, come back and play again!

I will definitely test this system.

Thanks.

Condolences on your loss.  Pop in when you get back if you don't before.

Sam
Title: Re: Roulette Raid
Post by: steveh3167 on August 21, 2008, 03:28:52 AM
Sam

Thanks.

Have now got a sample of 100 sessions and will put something together after next week. I do agree that it is not a strategy that is best played continually.

Steve
Title: Re: Roulette Raid
Post by: Clint on August 21, 2008, 05:46:53 PM
Hi Steve, very impressed with the win rate on this system (once I understood it) though as expected you will experience a loss from time to time. My concern is we are having to use a 121 unit progression to win over ten spins so as you said, it may be wise to get in quick and run off with your winnings from first 10 spins.

Looking forward to seeing your results.

Regards

Clint
Title: Re: Roulette Raid
Post by: steveh3167 on September 02, 2008, 06:00:09 AM
Hi Sam/Clint and anyone else interested

I've put the results in an Excel file and will post it in the Members download area later tonight. File name is RRTest.

There are 4 worksheets comprising 2 scenario's, 1 with a breakdown of the RR trigger numbers (to look at their distribution), the 4th is the raw data with the win numbers in red. Anyone who needs a sanity check about the winning number patterns should check this worksheet!!

It needs to be kept in mind that the sample size is small and results will change over time, but a summary is:
- Average number of wins has remained at 2 since the first analysis started and the completion of all data.
- Betting on all 10 numbers for all 10 spins is not an option. There aren't enough winners to be in profit regardless of any progression (Scenario 1)
- The attraction of the number of wins has to be tempered with the fact that they can occur in the first few, or last spins.

Scenario 2 is a betting strategy based on the most favourable RR trigger and bet spin numbers on a flat bet basis. On the sample data all spins show profits at the end of 100 sessions.

I have no expertise in playing strategies for multiple numbers over multiple spins and therefore defer to those with more knowledge and experience.

Am happy to refine the file if need be based on any comments received.

Regards, Steve
Title: Re: Roulette Raid
Post by: steveh3167 on September 03, 2008, 04:15:06 AM

Does anyone have a view on whether Solex within RR could be used in the same fashion as Sams NewEyes V2 Excel program?

Steve
Title: Re: Roulette Raid
Post by: steveh3167 on September 03, 2008, 07:34:58 AM
Mr Chips

Yes. There are several playing options to select in RR and the Solex option generates a single number based on user entered prior spins. Some of the other options include a single number generation plus O/E, H/L, Dozens etc.

Steve
Title: Re: Roulette Raid
Post by: steveh3167 on September 03, 2008, 08:37:55 AM
Mr Chips

Based on posts I have read there seem to be people praising it than disparaging it.

The strategy it suggests is to bet only on the single number it generates after each input of the prior spin result. This is different to Sams NewEyes video which bets on all numbers generated. There is a manageable progression in Solex (I think it is flat bet for the first 18 spins) and wins can come on the first spin (but I think that is pure luck), or the 90th spin. It seems that on average it is between 20 and 40 spins.

No-one knows how it actually works programming wise, and the number of occurrences it misses by a neighbour gets a lot of comments.

The reason I have posed the question is to see if others consider that Solex is for all intents and purposes, the same as Sams NewEyes. Their principle difference is that Sams will always produce the same result for the same numbers entered whereas RR will always generate different numbers if the same numbers entered are re-entered.

Early start tomorrow so off to bed now.

Steve
Title: Re: Roulette Raid
Post by: TwoCatSam on September 03, 2008, 10:32:12 AM
I think we're getting a little off my "New Eyes on the Marquee" theory.........

Simply put, you're waiting for 24 numbers to come, as in hermes system, 333.  What if someone sat down at your spin 12 and started playing the same system.  Would he not have different numbers to bet on?  If they work for him, why not you?

My theory is that if you have a 24 number trot, when 25 comes you take out number 1 and you have a whole new 24 number trot.  This is exactly what the Leon Pro 2 Software by Chicco Flash does.

With the 4Selecta, when you hit a couple of Hs in a row on the top, everyone will come to be on the same numbers as they all pause for a minute.

Sam
Title: Re: Roulette Raid
Post by: TwoCatSam on September 03, 2008, 12:39:08 PM
Steve

I have studied your chart, but not as much as I'd like to.

As I understand it, this thing shows a flat-bet profit.  Perhaps you can show me where I'm going wrong.

If you bet a unit on ten spins, starting with 1 unit on spin 1 and adding a unit each time, you bet 55 units on ten numbers.  You just add them:

1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10.......and that equals 55.  I'm poor at math, so correct me.

If you lose totally, you lose 55 units.
If you hit once, you lose 19 units.  (55 bet and 36 returned; 55 bet 35 + winniner =36)  Correct?
If you hit twice, you win 17 units.  (55 bet and 72 returned;  72 - 55 = 17)
and so on
and so on down to the biggie...
If you hit 4 times, you invest the same 55 units, but 4 x 36 = 144.  144 - 55 = 89.  You say you hit 4 winners 12 times, did you not?  12 x 89 = 1068.  That one figure is more than my two loosing trots. 

How can you say this does not make a flat-bet profit?

My math must be worse than I thought!

Help

Sam
Title: Re: Roulette Raid
Post by: Clint on September 03, 2008, 01:09:36 PM
Some way off Steve's suggestion but I have been playing quite well combining the four sector system with Roulette Raid betting on the sector the solex number comes into. I'm a hit and run kind of guy and this seems to hit a good few wins within a number of spins though I prefer 2-3 wins and get the hell outta there. The losses are there although rare but damaging to the BR so getting in and out quickly seems to be the recommended approach.

The advised four sector progression was 8-step and raid will usually hit easily within those bets or one could always wait for a number of misses before beginning the progression.

Feel free to test and shoot me down if need be but as I said, I only play for 2-3 wins at the most per session.

SECTORS                  
                  
Progression   1,1,2,2,3,4,5,7      

A=(0,2,4,15,17,19,21,25,32,34)         Wins         27,18,36,18,27,27,18,27      
B=(6,8,10,11,13,23,27,30,36)            Loss=  -225         
C=(1,5,9,14,16,20,24,31,33)                  
D=(0,3,7,12,18,22,26,28,29,35)            

PS The win amounts are now incorrect as I have added 0 to Sectors A & D.

Regards

Clint [smiley=2/rambo.gif]
Title: Re: Roulette Raid
Post by: steveh3167 on September 05, 2008, 02:02:30 AM
Hi Sam

Wasn't able to reply sooner as no internet access last night.

My calculations were worked on betting all 10 numbers from spin one for 10 spins, cost for 10 spins, 100 units. Over 100 sessions cost is 10,000 units (100x100). The total number of wins for the 100 sessions was 200, including repeats, total wins therefore 7200 units (200x36). Loss 2800 units.

Your example of starting with the first trigger then adding one for each bet is another way of playing but the consequence is that the trigger numbers can, and do, hit before the bet is placed. This can be seen from the raw data worksheet. It is certainly a safer way to play for protecting the bankroll but the wins will be somewhat reduced.

I'll look at the data again and put something together about what the outcome would have been on the above strategy.

Update re the outcome:

Winners, over 100 sessions, based on betting starting with the first trigger number and adding subsequent trigger numbers as they were generated in RR(repeats included):
Spin 1  17
Spin 2  23
Spin 3  18
Spin 4  11
Spin 5  7
Spin 6  11
Spin 7  13
Spin 8  4
Spin 9  7
Spin 10 3

Total  114 x36= 4104 units. Cost to play 55 units per session x 100 sessions= 5500. Loss 1396 units which evidences that this is a more sensible strategy to adopt but still wont win overall.

Scenario 2 in the Excel file is a safer strategy again as it does show a profit over the 100 sessions but playing this way would mean keeping records of the spin data and continually updating the results which may not be everyones cup of tea. Also, the return on bankroll may not satisfy some players.

As another comparison, I am in the process of putting the same spin results used for the above through Sams NewEyes to see how the outcome compares. Will post when complete.

Regards, Steve
Title: Re: Roulette Raid
Post by: TwoCatSam on September 05, 2008, 11:08:09 AM
Steve....

Naturally!  Thanks for the tutelage.  I'm not the brightest bulb in the chandelier, but sometimes I flash a bit!

Sam
Title: Re: Roulette Raid
Post by: steveh3167 on September 06, 2008, 01:28:34 AM
Clint

Re your post above. I also believe that there is something worth looking at given the number of occurrences that neighbours are hit.

As well as what I have said above about comparing results against Sams TwoEyes, I will do more work on the RR raw data from the neighbour aspect. It will take some rehashing to do but will post when done.

Steve
Title: Re: Roulette Raid
Post by: Clint on September 07, 2008, 10:52:18 AM
Thanks Steve, I'm using this daily now both playing and testing. Worse case I have had was a hit on 9th spin during testing. Again I'm in and out quickly using this system with real money and I have not reached the higher end of the progression yet (though that day will no doubt come).

Regards

Clint
Title: Re: Roulette Raid
Post by: Kingspin on September 08, 2008, 04:38:54 PM
I bought Roulette  Raid a few weeks ago , i have done quite a bit of testing it out on live wheels and also ran many  numbers through it from spin data history.  The fact is playing Roulette Raid is dicey. Very dicey. Yes it can win . Yes it can sometimes hit within 1 or 2 spins the winning number. On the other hand i have seen it wipe out 500 unit bankrolls several times. IT's not something i use or would recommend anyone use but then it's your choice at the end of the day. It's worth playing now and again for a bit of a change . Some people claim to be making a living playing online using Roulette Raid , all i can say to that is - Total BS!.    A nice waste of money if you ask me. Works like an RNG with it's number selection. No voodoo magic - honestly it's rng based thats all it is.   
Title: Re: Roulette Raid
Post by: steveh3167 on September 11, 2008, 06:27:50 AM
Hi Sam, Clint and interested others

Have now completed putting the set of 100 sessions through SamsNew Eyes and the results are improved over RR. On a flat bet basis for all 10 spins the loss was 640 units. However, there was a profit of +224 units after the 7th spin, so the big losses occured from spin 8 through to 10. This led me to look at the trigger/bet spins further.

The outcome is that I consider a playing strategy can be struck based on not playing more than 7 spins. A further play on this was to not bet on spins 1 and 3 as minimal wins came from these. I then applied a progression of 1,2,3,1,1 on the remaining spins (not a progression just for the sake of it, but timed for where the big wins were evident) and the profit became +736. Cost over 100 sessions 3800, Wins 4536.

There was a mix of casino's in this session data (4 I think) all from posts on VLS. I then looked to see if the results would hold up using some Weisbaden spins so I did another 2 sessions of 100 spins each. The wins were not as significant as the ones above and there were some differences between all three sessions in the performance of the individual bet spins and trigger numbers.

It didn't make sense (to me) that results would be much different when applying a formula for an outcome if table 'performance' is consistent across all casino's.

Anyhow, my next step is to put the strategy to the real test and play it. Once I've got 100 sessions completed I will post the results.

Clint - I'll look at the sector addition shortly. Are you tracking the sectors in a standard fashion or something different?

Regards, Steve
Title: Re: Roulette Raid
Post by: TwoCatSam on September 11, 2008, 11:10:51 AM
Steve

Thank for the work!  I don't understand this sentence as it seems to be saying two different things:  "However, there was a profit of +224 units after the 7th spin, so the big losses occured from spin 8 through to 10."  Do you mean this:  However, there was a profit of +224 units until after the 7th spin, so the big losses occured from spin 8 through to 10.

The sentence makes sense with the "until" in, but not otherwise.  Could you help me?

Sam
Title: Re: Roulette Raid
Post by: Clint on September 11, 2008, 04:19:16 PM
Hi Steve, I'm tracking the sectors as it says on the tin i.e. A, B, C or D. I am playing this daily (real ££), get in quick, put approx 6 previous numbers into Raid to warm it up,  and await four misses before I bet. Sometimes it takes a while to get four misses and you let the wins pass by but I'm a bit of a scaredy cat (no offence Sam) when it comes to progressions and am trying to make it as safe as possible.

Again, I am winning twice then leaving and I'm more than happy to win 36 - 72 units daily without the temptation to play a bit longer. Usually winning over 50 units in 10 minutes each day.

A strange one today where both my betting opportunities hit the actual recommended 'Solex' number on the very first bet. 54 Units in 10 minutes. I agree with Kingpin's comments to an extent and we have all experienced plenty of bad times with Raid but there is definitely some voodoo involved with this.

I still believe the potential to lose is there as I have found in testing but there are plenty of wins to be had in between so getting in and out quickly is the way forward. Greed will outdo us all in the end.

Regards

Clint
Title: Re: Roulette Raid
Post by: TwoCatSam on September 11, 2008, 08:34:33 PM
and await four misses before I bet.

Clint,

In the above, do you wait for the sectors to miss four times or wait for the progression to lose four times?

Sam
Title: Re: Roulette Raid
Post by: steveh3167 on September 12, 2008, 02:11:58 AM
Quote from: TwoCatSam on September 11, 2008, 11:10:51 AM
Steve

Thank for the work!  I don't understand this sentence as it seems to be saying two different things:  "However, there was a profit of +224 units after the 7th spin, so the big losses occured from spin 8 through to 10."  Do you mean this:  However, there was a profit of +224 units until after the 7th spin, so the big losses occured from spin 8 through to 10.

The sentence makes sense with the "until" in, but not otherwise.  Could you help me?

Sam

Sam, bad grammar on my part. Your correction is spot on.

Steve
Title: Re: Roulette Raid
Post by: Clint on September 12, 2008, 04:06:24 AM
Morning Sam, I await four misses to the recommended Solex number/sector then begin betting. Probably just luck but the furthest I've gone into a progression is the third set of betting (2 units per number).

Regards

Clint
Title: Re: Roulette Raid
Post by: Clint on September 12, 2008, 11:36:42 AM
Well, I thought I'd do a quick example and surprisingly had my worst session (although it won). I should have heard the warning signal going off in my head when there was a 10 minute inquiry into one of her dodgy spins but dumb old me continued to bet anyway. It took till the 5th bet to win (and boy, was I sweating). I have now made 400 units in 8 days although a loss will take half of this.


[table=,]


Solex No,Hit,W/L   
6,32,L      
15,3,L      
16,1,W      
26,35   ,W      
22,29,W   
3,12,W   
36,12,L   
33,27   ,L   
21,18,L   
14,8,L   BET NOW
13,29,L   
34,14,L   
35,23,L   
9,27,L   
35,22,W   27 units

Regards

Clint [smiley=2/rambo.gif]
            
[/table]      
                     

Title: Re: Roulette Raid
Post by: TwoCatSam on September 12, 2008, 11:48:12 AM
Clint

Please consider using the snytax.  If you go in you will see the [] at the top and bottom and where to put the commas.

Really easier than spacing, my friend!

Sam
Title: Re: Roulette Raid
Post by: TwoCatSam on September 12, 2008, 12:03:43 PM
Clint

Let me state this in my own words and you tell me if I'm right.

The Solex picks a number.  That number lies in one of the four sectors.  Wheel spins.  If the ball lands in the sector containing the Solex number, it is a win.  If the ball lands in one of the three sectors where the Solex number is not, it is a loss.  Solex picks the sector; the ball must hit the sector.

Four misses by the ball avoiding the Solex Sector and you're good to bet?

You're letting a random pick a random!!  I love it!

Sam
Title: Re: Roulette Raid
Post by: Clint on September 12, 2008, 12:06:49 PM
Got it in twenty......... ;)

Clint

PS Thanks for that help with the table. Sam, remember the aim is 1,2,3 wins per session and leave. The loss will eventually get you.

Cheers
Title: Re: Roulette Raid
Post by: schweini on September 20, 2008, 05:30:45 PM
hello friends , anyone got the serial for roulette raid V 3.01 ?>?
By the way how much will cost and its scam or real ?
Title: Re: Roulette Raid
Post by: keith4444 on September 27, 2008, 07:43:07 PM
Quote from: Clint on September 03, 2008, 01:09:36 PM

Feel free to test and shoot me down if need be but as I said, I only play for 2-3 wins at the most per session.

SECTORS                  
                  
Progression   1,1,2,2,3,4,5,7      

A=(0,2,4,15,17,19,21,25,32,34)         Wins         27,18,36,18,27,27,18,27      
B=(6,8,10,11,13,23,27,30,36)            Loss=  -225         
C=(1,5,9,14,16,20,24,31,33)                  
D=(0,3,7,12,18,22,26,28,29,35)            

PS The win amounts are now incorrect as I have added 0 to Sectors A & D.

Regards

Clint [smiley=2/rambo.gif]

Are these still the sectors and progression to use?
I've been testing these WITHOUT the "wait for 4 losses" rule (just for my own fun!) and its working great!
One question though what sector do we aim for when RR throws up a zero?
Title: Re: Roulette Raid
Post by: Clint on September 29, 2008, 05:37:53 PM
Hi Keith, I'm glad you are experiencing these wins. Like I said previously, get in quick, win a couple and sneak out with the winnings, on average 50 units per session. I haven't had too much time the last few weeks (death in family) but have still yet to lose.

I have not actually experienced a zero in the betting stages but would probably go for either the most common or the most recent sector shown (A or D).  I honestly couldn't say until it happened. Also, I wait for four misses as in testing I have seen up to 16 misses before a hit (over a few thousand spins) though you can wait a while for four misses before the betting commences.

Regards

Clint
Title: Re: Roulette Raid
Post by: theneophyte on November 10, 2008, 07:55:28 PM
has anyone got the link to upgrade to the new version if there is one. cheers
Title: Re: Roulette Raid
Post by: any1ofus on November 16, 2008, 03:24:04 AM
Im a newbie so dont diss me too much.

Just to add to the contribution of Roulette Raid version 3x.
Did a couple of exercises today using solex, roulan and probez in very, very controlled environment (only have 4 PC's).  Additionally a control PC was setup which acted as the main casino point and it also ran an independent program which I will call "Newbie".  The casinoused in this case was Virgin and the number of spins was 112 (I needed a toilet, food, etc break afterwards).  To avoid any confusion - Virgin is an RNG.  Also I was playing with funny money, but this test should not be disregarded as it has been through live trials and run through other operators (betfair, ladbrokes).

"Newbie" was an excel spreadsheet which was seeded with a number of random numbers (No  of time I got divorced, No of ex-girlfriends, , No of times my parents moved home,  No of times I got lucky first time  etc ....).  For modesty sake, the following sequences I used are completely out of older to those in my suggested list.  The sequence was a follows:

+8, +7, +20, +15, + 9, + 3, + 12, +5 (Newbie Method)

The last number spun on the casino wheel was incremented by the sequence in order and then if greater than 36, subtracted from 36 and bet 1 unit only - NO increments.  All systems started with a bank of £200.

The results after 121 spins:
RouletteRaid - Solex:   1 win at spin 15: Bank bust before end.
RouletteRaid - Roulan: Bank burst twice (replenished cause I wanted to see this through - ended with a final profit of £51. Last max bet was £128).
RouletteRaid - Probez: System when bust 5 times and I restarted.  The maximum bet at on time was actually £5120, but if you survive that (table limits allowing) you actually end up with a profit - but guys not one I would use - too many ups and downs and I have had one heart attack already.
Newbies Method - totally random selection - flat bets £1: 4 WINS: profit +£30.  Min bank (-50)

Ive actually tried RoulettRaid-Coverz and Systmx, but not in a controlled enviroment - and remember this is with RNG.  Results again were disastrous - I ended up losing my bank of £200.

So the moral of the story is - pick your own random numbers and use them as a seed if you are betting on single numbers only.  Your chances of success are far greater.