G.U.T the Great Universal Theory

[poxet pool]

To read a 22yr old brag about gambling is pretty much a bad bet as well.whats the matter u still need a allowance?I got alot of good methods and ideals from this forum,and they didn't come from posters who say u can't win.

[Spike!]

To read a 22yr old brag about gambling is pretty much a bad bet as well.whats the matter u still need a allowance

Its not that, its that these guys haunt every gambling forum and act like they're the final authority. I use past outcomes to accurately guess the next outcome hundreds of times a day in practice and in the casino and they tell me it can't be done. They obviously can't prove it can't be done or I couldn't do it. Its nuts.

[Noble Savage]

I use past outcomes to accurately guess the next outcome hundreds of times a day in practice and in the casino and they tell me it can't be done. They obviously can't prove it can't be done or I couldn't do it. Its nuts.

Yes, it can't be done and I know what I'm talking about.

The title of the thread is "G.U.T the Great Universal Theory". What's hilarious is how every thread has to somehow become about you.

[Spike!]

Yes, it can't be done and I know what I'm talking about.

The title of the thread is "G.U.T the Great Universal Theory". What's hilarious is how every thread has to somehow become about you.

Nooooooooooo, you just lectured somebody about what they can and can't do and I'm telling you you're full of it, as usual. There is a squad of you MathBoyz on every forum who think you're actually helping people by lying to them. Its verry funny that you think everybody should take you seriously.

[Noble Savage]

Nooooooooooo, you just lectured somebody about what they can and can't do and I'm telling you you're full of it, as usual. There is a squad of you MathBoyz on every forum who think you're actually helping people by lying to them. Its verry funny that you think everybody should take you seriously.

So you believe the G.U.T. works and is based on something that yields an edge to the player.

Proof?

[Spike!]

So you believe the G.U.T. works and is based on something that yields an edge to the player.

Proof?

Its not about GUT, its about you saying "There is nothing in these scientific fields (or any) that says you can predict true random outcomes better than expectancy."

If you're going to constantly preach that, you must also include that theres nothing that proves you CAN'T guess better than expectancy. Theres only theories and speculation.

[Noble Savage]

Its not about GUT

Ah, so it's about you feeling threatened that someone might somehow read what I said regarding this so called G.U.T. and think "gee, Spike must not be making money then".

Truth be told, you hardly seem like someone who does actually have the key to millions of dollars. If you did, you wouldn't care about all of this for starters.

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Enough of Spike and back to the topic.

I've done all my homework. There is nothing in modern mathematics and probability theory (more specifically, stochastic processes) that suggests that true random outcomes can be predicted using the principles that the G.U.T. is based on (e.g. the "crossings").

Anyone who has accessible proof of otherwise is more than welcome to share it.

[poxet pool]

Proof? Winkle has done it over and over times 10 with test yeilds.Why don't U prove it dosen't work.My guess it's too hard for u to figure out. Maybe just a small batch of 300 spins?But that maybe too much on u schoolboy.

[Spike!]

that suggests that true random outcomes can be predicted using the principles that the G.U.T. is based on>>

And nothing that proves it can't. You make the fatal error of making the assumption that if a theory might be true, its conclusion must be true.

[Noble Savage]

Proof? Winkle has done it over and over times 10 with test yeilds.Why don't U prove it dosen't work.My guess it's too hard for u to figure out. Maybe just a small batch of 300 spins?But that maybe too much on u schoolboy.

Links to the published verifiable tests?

I know of KonFuSed's test showing the G.U.T (as initially posted and claimed as a mechanical holy grail by Winkel) fail in the long run, after which Winkel started saying how it shouldn't be played mechanically etc. etc.

As for the other "proof", it was a bunch of mathematical formulas written in German that Winkel threw at us which, once translated, barely make any sense.

Once again, if he could mathematically prove this "theory" he would be famous by now. I'm not kidding.

[Bayes]

Proof? Winkle has done it over and over times 10 with test yeilds.Why don't U prove it dosen't work.My guess it's too hard for u to figure out. Maybe just a small batch of 300 spins?But that maybe too much on u schoolboy.

Kon-Fu-Sed wrote a program which showed that GUT did no better than any other system, but Winkel 'refuted' it by saying that you have to use 'gambler's intelligence', which sounds suspiciously like 'Educated Guessing'.

It seems that Educated Guessing is the key, pity it doesn't work.  

BTW, attacking the individual and not the message means you have run out of arguments and/or have no evidence.  

[Spike!]

he would be famous by now.>>>

Thats always the MathBoyz mantra. If we were right, we'd be famous, we'd be on Jay Leno, we'd be millionaires, blah blah. More faulty logic to go along with their faulty theories.

[Spike!]

you have to use 'gambler's intelligence', which sounds suspiciously like 'Educated Guessing'.>>

Oh oh, can't have that. Our theories we can't prove wth math against your theories you THINK you can prove but can't. A real conundrum, huh.. 

[poxet pool]

Since u don't know what "gamblers intelligence" means, hints u never played with real money and probably no experience with backing off in a real game.All ur research is just based from what u read of others post.That's much easier than to prove it doesn't work huh?My educated guess that ur not serious about disproving it was right.Damn I good.....

[Noble Savage]

Damn I good.....

That actually made me laugh!

No offense.

[Noble Savage]

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