8 number = 50%?

[NoBody]

Hi VLS,

I have a maths question for you all to answer...

Here it goes...

random draw 8 numbers = 1 set

a repeat of any number within a set = win

no repeat of any number within a set = lose

What is the percentage of winning?

What is the probability of winning?

If not mistaken the answer is slightly more than 50%

In order words, taking random 8 numbers, you have slightly more than 50% to have at least one repeating number

Example: (taken from Actuals / Permanences » Some DublinBet actuals from last year ( no dealer names ) - Jeromin)
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/actuals-permanences/some-dublinbet-actuals-from-last-year-(-no-dealer-names-)/

Set 1   27   2   23   0   17   1   23   4      win
Set 2   29   27   24   24   9   12   26   26      win
Set 3   4   14   0   30   33   27   12   30      win
Set 4   5   0   3   14   13   10   6   4      lose
Set 5   24   19   16   20   15   1   15   19      win
Set 6   1   11   33   26   34   9   2   8      lose
Set 7   1   28   2   18   34   8   14   28      win
Set 8   16   23   14   14   20   1   6   7      win
Set 9   15   30   11   2   24   18   26   6      lose
Set 10   9   25   18   13   10   0   9   30      win


The above example, winning percentage is more than 50% ( 7 win vs 3 lose = 70%)

This is "short term".

What about long term?

Any math expert here can provide the answer?

or any programmer can programme to check?

Remember is ANY repeat of the 8 numbers.

Feedbacks and comments are welcome!

Regards,
NoBody ^.^

[NoBody]

Hi Guys,

This is from session 2
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/actuals-permanences/some-dublinbet-actuals-from-last-year-(-no-dealer-names-)/

Set 1   35   19   5   8   9   27   18   11      lose
Set 2   31   7   20   4   27   26   33   1      lose
Set 3   6   16   26   29   0   2   35   35      win
Set 4   10   36   6   23   8   32   6   25      lose
Set 5   0   0   27   illegible 1 or 7   26   33   22   29      win
Set 6   13   17   18   3   26   36   32   35      lose
Set 7   8   34   16   16   3   17   11   36      win
Set 8   13   31   7   23   9   25   20   17      lose
Set 9   22   15   15   7   9   19   24   23      win
Set 10   12   2   15   27   20   25   34   21      lose


6 lose vs 4 win = 40%

[NoBody]

Session 3 :
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/actuals-permanences/some-dublinbet-actuals-from-last-year-(-no-dealer-names-)/


Set 1   0   31   32   14   4   13   28   30      lose
Set 2   32   8   24   4   1   15   32   1      win
Set 3   16   5   14   21   27   10   31   29      lose
Set 4   1   11   23   17   10   11   34   1      win
Set 5   19   21   1   13   9   18   8   10      lose
Set 6   21   22   30   36   11   24   18   28      lose
Set 7   20   35   12   26   6   5   35   36      win
Set 8   2   14   35   22   35   10   33         win

4 lose vs 4 win = 50%

[NoBody]

Session 4:
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/actuals-permanences/some-dublinbet-actuals-from-last-year-(-no-dealer-names-)/

Set 1   3   29   13   3   31   26   33   8      win
Set 2   10   10   16   16   12   0   11   2      win
Set 3   10   20   11   24   20   1   24   9      win
Set 4   20   2   4   24   16   10   8   23      lose
Set 5   26   2                        lose


Session 4 is very short, not enough number for Set 5, just consider it a lost.

We still have 3 wins vs 2 loses = 60%

[NoBody]

Example from another thread:
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/actuals-permanences/william-hill-wheel/

Set 1   18   8   22   7   2   5   19   2      win
Set 2   11   6   33   3   19   1   17   25      lose
Set 3   34   35   10   6   2   2   11   23      win
Set 4   15   22   26   4   30   6   31    5      lose
Set 5   31   12   15   28   28   8   30   16      win
Set 6   22   13   19   29   4   9   33   12      lose
Set 7   31   23                        lose

50 numbers...

4 loses vs 3 wins = 42%

Set 7 not enough numbers, consider lose..

[NoBody]

Another example from numbers posted by Mr J
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/actuals-permanences/my-actuals-00-wheel-i-think-from-may-1st/


Set1    4   2   1   22   22   15   33   26      win
Set2    19   11   4   5   22   34   29   31      lose
Set3    24   18   9   17   35   8   20   5      lose
Set4    29   32   16   11   6   13   1   34      lose
Set5    16   31   16   32   22   15   27   11      win
Set6    14   22   14   33   2   4   22   18      win
Set7    33   13   35   36   18   19   28   4      lose
Set8    3   29   29   19   11   3   11   25      win
Set9    17   9   18   8   31   36   0   13      lose
Set10    23   2   3   31   28   34   2   29      win
Set11    34   6   18   23   23   30   21   17      win
Set12    13   20   31   35   11   15   24   25      lose
Set13    2   35   17   15   30   26   20   23      lose
Set14    28   1   19   4   11   29   18   10      lose
Set15    7   4   5   28   3   13   26   32      lose
Set16    6   0   35   6   26   20   10   3      win
Set17    4   4   19   5   7   3   20   12      win
Set18    35   3   29   0   27   14   11   10      lose
Set19    0   26   7   31   31   7   22   28      win
Set20    11   31   28   21   2   27   2   10      win
Set21    36   2   30   29   22   25   5   1      lose
Set22    19   13   19   0   22   16   0         win


11 wins and 11 loses = 50%

[NoBody]

One more example from :
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/actuals-permanences/dublinbet-com-actuals/


Set1    2   32   21   11   7   26   35   10      lose
Set2    9   20   17   19   21   13   36   15      lose
Set3    31   16   18   2   26   12   27   2      win
Set4    31   27   36   10   23   16   27   9      win
Set5    6   1   14   13   17   28 (ball came off wheel)   11         lose


So 2 wins vs 3 loses = 40%

[GogoCro]

If you lose on last number in set of 8 nums then youurs profit is 0 on that set: thats neither lose or win.
1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8=36

edit: see rjeaton posts..
I know then we can use progression, but why then only 8 numbers, why not 10 or 12 or 15?

[NoBody]

If you lose on last number in set of 8 nums then youurs profit is 0 on that set: thats neither lose or win.
1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8=36

Hi GogoCro,

Good question.

I haven't go to the "betting" part.

I want to confirm the probability of a repeat in 8 spin is slightly more than 50%.

No betting yet. Just theory first...go slow...if it is proven to be more than 50%, then there are many possible "betting" for this theory.

Do you have any numbers to help test the percentage?

Thank you! 

Regards,

NoBody ^.^

[GogoCro]

Ok, you can download here in "download" sections.
But You can look from member rjeaton some of his posts here. Use search method to find his expirience of
betting like this.

[NoBody]

Hi Guys,

Ok, below is the chart for all the probability:

   Probability
1   0.00000000000000%
2   2.70270270270270%
3   7.96201607012418%
4   15.42455530768170%
5   24.56784662577010%
6   34.76138086553090%
7   45.34061640085020%
8   55.68158086555430%
9   65.26394175948850%
10   73.71325322339670%
11   80.81777937923540%
12   86.52060172594920%
13   90.89229846347920%
14   94.09230170604060%
15   96.32764700645760%
16   97.81643876059640%
17   98.76068145871690%
18   99.33009808579290%
19   99.65599631432610%
20   99.83264685561810%
21   99.92310801474350%
22   99.96674941178100%
23   99.98652003180310%
24   99.99489947149310%
25   99.99820792241650%
26   99.99941878564860%
27   99.99982720654420%
28   99.99995329906600%
29   99.99998864031330%
30   99.99999754385150%
31   99.99999953532330%
32   99.99999992464700%
33   99.99999998981720%
34   99.99999999889920%
35   99.99999999991070%
36   99.99999999999520%
37   99.99999999999990%
38   100.00000000000000%


This is how you look at the chart.

1 number = 0% have a repeat
8 number = 55.69% have a repeat
38 number = 100% repeat (Hehe...remember Dlysexlic?)

Can someone tell me whether the above is "probable"?

Is it probability?

Thank you.

Regards,
NoBody ^.^

[NoBody]

Hi all,

In roulette there are 37 numbers including the zero.

So, the more spins the more numbers get "hit".

With more numbers, it is easier / more probable to get a repeat.

Example if you bet on 36 numbers, it is very high probability the numbers you bet will get it...if you bet one number only, it has very low possibility to repeat....vice versa...

Does it makes sense?

If you bet 37 numbers, you 100% get a repeat! ( such a dumb example  )

Haha...

Regards,
NoBody ^.^

[NoBody]

Hi VLS,

The above percentage is base on a mathematics theory.

Can anyone guess the name of the theory?

Erm...the person who guess correct will get a kiss from twocatsam!!! ( lol...just kidding)

Maybe a kiss from lanky?? 

Lol..

Regards,
NoBody ^.^

[VLSroulette]

Erm...the person who guess correct will get a kiss from twocatsam!!! ( lol...just kidding)

This month we owe a big kiss to the cat!

[VLSroulette]

Can anyone guess the name of the theory?

Pigeonhole Principle?

[VLSroulette]

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