Seems to me like theres alot of negheads posting negativity on the boards these days, so this is to remind you, with an unlimited bankroll and unlimited bet limits roulette CAN be beaten long term.
Quote from: MightyMark on July 19, 2012, 07:12:00 AM
Seems to me like theres alot of negheads posting negativity on the boards these days, so this is to remind you, with an unlimited bankroll and unlimited bet limits roulette CAN be beaten long term.
Am doing it for years and all these that say it can't
be,they probably claim this through negative testings on zillion
spins and are assured it can't be beaten without even tray to
do so on 300 night casino session spins.It is only way to really find out,
otherwise you be testing all your lives without even see casino/some/.
My 2 chips.
Quote from: mcmonaco on July 19, 2012, 09:06:07 AM
Am doing it for years and all these that say it can't
be,they probably claim this through negative testings on zillion
spins and are assured it can't be beaten without even tray to
do so on 300 night casino session spins.It is only way to really find out,
otherwise you be testing all your lives without even see casino/some/.
My 2 chips.
If something is not beatable use a bigger baseball bat. :blush2:
Quote from: MightyMark on July 19, 2012, 07:12:00 AM
with an unlimited bankroll and unlimited bet limits roulette CAN be beaten long term.
That's great but, EVERY player has a limited bankroll AND a limited bet limit........ :diablo: :diablo: :diablo: :diablo:
That's true. But it is also beatable in other ways as well. There are those who make money, and people who lose money.
If you put salt on a bird's tail, they can't fly and are very easy to catch.
QuoteIf you put salt on a bird's tail, they can't fly and are very easy to catch.
why? does it cause anal itching and flight pattern disruption?
G'day,
What happens if You use pepper?
I know what happens when I get pepper up My nose,
I expel air at a fast rate (out of My nose)!!
Glenn.
Quotewhy? does it cause anal itching and flight pattern disruption?
:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:
that's a good one, love the answer....
:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:
Steve
It goes back to the people who say....If I only had _____________I could_____________.
If you get close enough to a bird to put salt on his tail, just grab him. If you want him, that is.
Sam
If I only had a hot air balloon and strong enough breeze I could drop water balloons on lots of people before 5pm.
If I only had a bigger penis, I could lure more Asian babes !
Ken
G'day,
If I only had a smaller penis, I wouldn't have to LOWER My charges for asian babes!!
Glenn.
When I was six years old I put salt on my budgie to see if he couldn't fly but it didn't work at all. So I went into my dad's garage, got out a big piece of sheet lead and dropped it on the budgie.
Guess what? He never flew again!
I was always a smart kid with great problem solving skills. :)
Quote from: bombus on October 15, 2012, 04:18:03 AM
When I was six years old I put salt on my budgie to see if he couldn't fly but it didn't work at all. So I went into my dad's garage, got out a big piece of sheet lead and dropped it on the budgie.
Guess what? He never flew again!
I was always a smart kid with great problem solving skills. :)
Thinking outside the box......I like it!
Ken thinks inside the box. So do I.
The quality jokes just keep on coming :)
A man boards a flight from Delhi to Mumbai and takes his seat. As he settles in, he glances up and sees a gorgeous Asian babe boarding the plane. He soon realizes she's heading straight towards his seat. Lo and behold, she takes the seat right next to his!
Eager to strike up a conversation, he asks Business trip or vacation?' She turns, smiles, and says, Business. I'm going to the annual Sexologists Convention.'
He swallows hard. Here is the most gorgeous Asian babe he has ever seen, sitting next to him, and she's a sexologist! Struggling to contain his excitement and maintain his composure, he calmly asks, What's your business role at this convention?'
'Lecturer,' she says, I use my experience to debunk some of the popular myths about sexuality.'
'Really?' he says, swallowing hard. What m-m-m-myths are those?' 'Well,' she explains, one popular myth is that African men are the best endowed when, in fact, it's the Tamilian who is most likely to possess that trait. Another popular myth is that Frenchmen are the best lovers, whereas actually it is the Bengali. However, we have found that the best potential lover in all categories is the Sardar.'
Suddenly, the woman becomes a little uncomfortable and blushes. I'm sorry,' she says, I shouldn't be discussing this with you. I don't even know your name!'
'Venkatraman, ' the man blurts out. Venkatraman Mukherjee! But all my friends call me Joginder Singh
Beating roulette means WINNING every single spin in my book.Has anyone ever accomplished this feat ? Where is the proof ?
Oh yeah................the system sellers do win every spin.
N.D.
the casino would be very close to doing this.
QuoteBeating roulette means WINNING every single spin in my book........
The only way to win consistently is to own the casino............
I've heard it all before. Does a casino take your money on every spin??
If it were possible to win on every spin, whatever technology is needed is not within reach at the moment as far as I'm aware. But there exist tangible technology to predict roulette spins, not with perfect accuracy, but with enough accuracy to overcome the slight house edge.
Woopie. It has been done since before we were all born. Most people dont hear about it because they get their information from speculation, what they have learned from RRBRBBBRBRBBR systems, and what they heard from other people with RBRBRBRBRBRBRRBBBBR systems. The minority beat roulette because the minority actually think and experience for themselves, and have open minds to learn new things.
Roulette is beatable.
If roulette is unbeatable, why are old roulette players keeps on coming to the site? Why are they here? What? To tell their sad losing moments. Now, if a players is seeking for a system to beat the game, then there is a SYSTEM!
I have my losing days but I am not counting how many time I lose. I always count how much money I earned for that week.
I am one of the roulette players who have the right system.
Again, Roulette is Beatable. Good luck to everyone.
Quote from: Nathan Detroit on October 15, 2012, 05:41:17 PM
Beating roulette means WINNING every single spin in my book.Has anyone ever accomplished this feat ? Where is the proof ?
Oh yeah................the system sellers do win every spin.
N.D.
You are clueless and have no idea in what you are talking about. *sensored by mod with warning. not gonna tolerate it again*
ReDsQuaD<<<<<<<<<<<<<
*sensored by mod, the same warning to u, Nathan, please don't be dragged to the same level, two wrongs don't make it right*
You are having an attitude problem. In case you haven`t noticed a lot of passengers no longer book passage on the" SS VLS" . It is sinking slowly.
Mind your manners.
ND don't you care so much about what ReDsQuaD says or what hes opinions is.
He is a strange person.
ReDsQuaD once PM me and told me he now know more about physics and visual ballistics then me.
I assume Steve teach him and what does that mean from a scale at 1 to 10.
But how does he know - when I know the best and have the best there is - so he is not even close to know what I know.
He does not know who i know and what i know.
I just reply "Good for you and good luck" I mean who cares what he thinks he knows and if what he knows is much better then what I know - that was a silly PM.
Conclusion - don't waste your time with ReDsQuaD
The truth is neither of you know what the other knows.
End of argument.
Quote from: I have cookies on October 16, 2012, 01:36:01 PM
ND don't you care so much about what ReDsQuaD says or what hes opinions is.
He is a strange person.
ReDsQuaD once PM me and told me he now know more about physics and visual ballistics then me.
I assume Steve teach him and what does that mean from a scale at 1 to 10.
But how does he know - when I know the best and have the best there is - so he is not even close to know what I know.
He does not know who I know and what I know.
I just reply "Good for you and good luck" I mean who cares what he thinks he knows and if what he knows is much better then what I know - that was a silly PM.
Conclusion - don't waste your time with ReDsQuaD
Am glad that somebody else realised who is Reds quad,trouble maker,insulting person/via PM which Steve can easily see/in other words juvenile and probably marble player as ND stated.
Yes roulette IS beatable, however in theory you could win the lottery if you bought enough tickets. What people want is a way to beat roulette most of the time - without risking the house and the car. The problem is when players are willing to play on autopilot without any self control.
Roulette is a not for stupid people :thumbsup:
sorry folks i saw this too late. This kind of behaviour (as RS showed) won't be tolerated.
RedSquad being banned for 2 weeks for his behaviour which included arguing with mod policy as well.
No mercy to troublemakers with no regards to their roulette knowledge.
Next time gonna be worse. Enough of kindergarten with telling adult people how to behave and how not to.
Quote from: BHR on January 28, 2013, 07:28:57 AM
Roulette is a not for stupid people :thumbsup:
It could be with enough luck :)
Quote from: MightyMark on July 19, 2012, 07:12:00 AM
Seems to me like theres alot of negheads posting negativity on the boards these days, so this is to remind you, with an unlimited bankroll and unlimited bet limits roulette CAN be beaten long term.
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Playing long term you will loose thats 100% sure. No ifs or buts you WILL loose your money. any one who claims other wise is living in cloud cuckoo land bud.. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Kingspin on February 27, 2013, 06:49:34 PM
Quote from: MightyMark on July 19, 2012, 07:12:00 AM
Seems to me like theres alot of negheads posting negativity on the boards these days, so this is to remind you, with an unlimited bankroll and unlimited bet limits roulette CAN be beaten long term.
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Playing long term you will lose thats 100% sure. No ifs or buts you WILL lose your money. any one who claims other wise is living in cloud cuckoo land bud.. :thumbsup:
Hey kingspin, did you ever hear about the ritz team who took the casino for 1 million? They used a roulette computer to predict the area of where the ball will land.
Did you hear about the Gonzalo family who took there local casino for hundreds of thousands using a method called "wheel bias"
What about Joseph jagger? "The guy who broke the bank at monte carlo" Again wheel bias.
You gong to say its all made up? It was luck?
The one who is living in cuckoo land is you my friend.
There are a lot more people beating roulette consistently than what we hear about in the news. Not everyone is stupid enough to take millions from the same wheel in a few days.
Milk the cow. Dont kill it.
I would say that beating roulette with a computer is possible , we only need to over come the house by just a few percent to do that.
I would not have the balls to enter a casino using such a device though. I sooner be poor. I don't think bias exists at least not with online roulette , i bet they change the wheels very often. :)
Quote from: Kingspin on February 28, 2013, 04:30:45 PM
I would say that beating roulette with a computer is possible , we only need to over come the house by just a few percent to do that.
I would not have the balls to enter a casino using such a device though. I sooner be poor. I don't think bias exists at least not with online roulette , I bet they change the wheels very often. :)
Exactly, only a few percent mate.
Bias always exists but.. casinos now have software on there wheels to detect wheel bias, they dont change the wheels, they recalibrate the wheel which basicly = a new wheel. Basicly it will flag up red when a bias is detected. That's modern wheels for you.
If they re-calibrate it the same way and do it precisely as all other times, then it will give much the same patterns if the dominant diamonds are due to ball track imperfections. But chances are the calibration wont be as precise as is needed.
QuoteI would not have the balls to enter a casino using such a device though
Most people dont. But a few take a very aggressive approach to making money, and such people tend not to be in 9-5 jobs.
Honestly I could not live life in a 9-5 job working for someone else. That to me would be crazy.
With computers, the first few times are daunting. Eventually it becomes like home. Like most computer players, I'm not scared of what staff or security may say. They can go **** themselves. But if its time to leave its time to leave. Again not everyone shares this view, so roulette computers are not for everyone.
Most people dont understand this though:
But if a player is winning significant amounts with late bets, the casino can simply call no more bets earlier until the player loses or leaves. Then normal procedure can resume once the player has left. There is no banning, no bashing - just plain countermeasures. Again this is the reality IF a professional player is detected. So emphasis is on avoiding detection in the first place, and it is very easy even if you are betting late in the spin - you just don't do it on every spin.
Of course roulette is beatable. If you've ever walked away from a table with a profit then you have beaten roulette....on that occasion.
The $m question is "Can you consistently make more money than you lose at roulette?" This, to me, is the HG and definitely findable. (No guarantees though that any such beautiful thing can't be ruined by a lack of discipline.)
A system that wins every time (if it should ever be discovered) would actually kill the golden goose. Casinos will always be around as long as they are making a profit, ie some people losing more money than others win. How long would roulette as we know it last if the discovery of a real HG turned it around so that some people win more than all the others lose?
My philosophy is: if you have a method of play that overall wins you more than you lose, love it, nurture it with tweaks as you learn more about it and yourself, don't be too greedy and make sure you stay under the radar. Discretion really is the better part of valour when taking on casinos!
Agabus
Quote from: ReDsQuaD on February 27, 2013, 07:16:58 PM
Hey kingspin, did you ever hear about the ritz team who took the casino for 1 million? They used a roulette computer to predict the area of where the ball will land---What are you talking about ????......computer?????....Since have played a lot with Niko Toša/the guy from Ritz/must tell
you there wasn't any computers in his play...but visual note of each croupier in certain casino,as there was the nights he would be walking from table to table with pen notes and wouldn't play at all.
Did you hear about the Gonzalo family who took there local casino for hundreds of thousands using a method called "wheel bias"
What about Joseph jagger? "The guy who broke the bank at monte carlo" Again wheel bias.
You gong to say its all made up? It was luck?
The one who is living in cuckoo land is you my friend.
What are you saying? A computer was not used? If not then what method was used to walk away with over a million?
Quote from: ReDsQuaD on March 09, 2013, 05:42:10 PM
What are you saying? A computer was not used? If not then what method was used to walk away with over a million?
You wouldn't grasp it,but here,the man was a computer him self,even though
with new wheels and balls later he went broke DOWN UNDER/Aus/--never heard of him last
few years.
Quote from: mcmonaco on March 09, 2013, 06:04:14 PM
You wouldn't grasp it,but here,the man was a computer him self,even though
with new wheels and balls later he went broke DOWN UNDER/Aus/--never heard of him last
few years.
In other words you don't know. The guy was no computer, If he was that was that smart, he wouldn't of took 1.2 million in under 2 days, resulting in a world wide ban. Over the long term, you could beat that figure. The people involved were a bunch of greedy Amateurs.
They used computers to assist them (visual ballistics).
By the way, just because a casinos buy "new wheels and balls" does not mean a thing. Indeed roulette is getting harder to beat, but every wheel has its weakness. and as for "new balls" this won't make roulette harder to beat.
So either you made that all up, or the ritz team are even more amateur than I thought... I think ill go with the first one.
mcmonaco, you got your information from someone that doesn't know the Ritz players. He claims he knows someone that knows them, but that person tends to stretch the truth. I know this because I know that person that claims to know the ritz players too. Thats why he's been promising your friend the chance to speak with them, but there is always some bizarre thing that happens and they dont end up speaking. Apparently they tested ff and found it rocks, but they prefer vb. And apparently they found my rc is a scam, but they never saw it. Just like the only person making money with ff is the guy making millions and has money falling out of pockets and has trouble at airport terminals, but nobody knows him.
Only the ritz players themselves know what they used. Considering they had equipment seized and a case was being built, it points towards roulette computer use, but it was not some laser scanner. It could just have easily been basic vb too because the wheel's conditions were suitable. We know this because I have many partners in the industry, one of which has seen the footage. Based on information from credible sources, the ritz players were just semi-professional computer players with a big bankroll. With a big win like that, people assume they were pros when they arent. They have not had a smooth run since though. Some of my players have done far better
answer this: ff uses the traditional computer algorithm explained on my site. Forester added "anytime" predictions by incorrectly assuming the ball deceleration is linear. Thats fine for mega tilted wheels with no scatter. But on real wheels, the anytime predictions are abysmal. Try anytime predictions with level settings and see. So there is no accuracy for diamond targeting with anytime predictions, and you need to isolate to 1 specific revolution. Then take into account slight variation of ball travel distance that can means +/-2 revolution difference on different days, not even considering the effect of partial revolutions, or variation in scatter. You are left with a reduction in accuracy instead of improvement when using his new diamond targeting. Actually worse than the standard rc using basic algorithms. So is ff as great as he says, or no better than vb????.
It is conclusive and absolute fact that you will not get better accuracy that basic vb application assuming your vb application was ok. Thats why nobody makes money with it and even if they did, they are better off with vb. To understand forester's problem with me, see nolinks.roulette-computers.com/comparison.htm (nolinks://nolinks.roulette-computers.com/comparison.htm)
--Dear mr.Steve,
I got my information from nobody and don't really know what are you talking about.
I'm speaking FACTS,cause dear Sir,Niko Toša and I have travelled/in my camper/many miles and countries around EU looking for suitable tables/croupiers/to play.BTW am not VB player but of my roulette knowledge I was assisting him several times.And prior to Ritz the man won over 400 k in casino Admiral Colloseum in Znojmo/Chech./and I was there.And will repeat there wasn't any computers involved,but
his VB knowledge.You are quite rihght about not having smooth runs after,Russia,Azerb.Macao and finally Australia.New wheels,new balls....specially in Macao where I was few years back without putting a chip on roulette table......but instead they have no commission baccarat wich I played instead.
Quote from: ReDsQuaD on March 09, 2013, 06:55:44 PM
In other words you don't know. The guy was no computer, If he was that was that smart, he wouldn't of took 1.2 million in under 2 days, resulting in a world wide ban. Over the long term, you could beat that figure. The people involved were a bunch of greedy Amateurs.
They used computers to assist them (visual ballistics).
By the way, just because a casinos buy "new wheels and balls" does not mean a thing. Indeed roulette is getting harder to beat, but every wheel has its weakness. and as for "new balls" this won't make roulette harder to beat.
So either you made that all up, or the ritz team are even more amateur than I thought... I think ill go with the first one.
You don't know what are you talking about.Go to Macao and beat Roulette by VB...today it is impossible with new wheels and balls.......which shows me that you haven't be around and seen many casinos and that your talk is just only bull....t.......yes I maded all it up if it makes you happier.
Ppl that know me know better.Stay well sir.
mcmonaco, many people on forums have claimed to know and play with the Ritz team, but they are clearly full of it. There's no way anyone can know if you're just another one, but I know you know who and what I was talking about. Generally people who deceive with small matters do the same with larger matters.
As for Macau, actually I have many players there and they do just fine, besides the very busy tables. I agree with you if you use traditional vb and think scatter is just whatever happens after the ball falls from the ball track, without consideration of other variables, then sure you wont profit on most modern wheels.
Anyway there's no point in arguing about it. You know the experts and know best.
Quote from: Steve on March 11, 2013, 06:28:58 PM
mcmonaco, many people on forums have claimed to know and play with the Ritz team, but they are clearly full of it. There's no way anyone can know if you're just another one, but I know you know who and what I was talking about. Generally people who deceive with small matters do the same with larger matters.
As for Macau, actually I have many players there and they do just fine, besides the very busy tables. I agree with you if you use traditional vb and think scatter is just whatever happens after the ball falls from the ball track, without consideration of other variables, then sure you wont profit on most modern wheels.
Anyway there's no point in arguing about it. You know the experts and know best.
Don't know nothing about your ppl.nor comps they play with....but while there
there wasn't any busy tables,rarely anybody plays there,especially Chineses from HK...Wheels without
pocket felts-spoon like-the ball bounces all over the place....I can't imagine any comp.could predict
any accuracy there.And am not arguing with anybody but pointing out the facts.Good luck.
I'm stating facts too. Not one of my players in Macau ever reported quiet tables. Busy tables is constantly the biggest problem they have there.
As for scatter, on enough of the spins, the ball fall is predictable after a particular type of fall. Having a computer isolate to those spins makes scatter far more predictable. No other computer can do this because, among other reasons, any slight variation on ball deceleration kills accuracy.
Bigdog, you are SPAMMING about that software. New member and rubbish claims to promote software. ROULETTE CRUSHER IS A SCAM.
Of Course if beatable but u have to play with your head. In used one system calls "Ten SPin to Win" .
Played for less then an hour. Started with $200.
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you would have to play at least a month and winning to vouch for a system.
$200 to $248 and a screenshot of that is hardly proof of anything.
Lets presume a Texan oil billionaire or bill gates or some other person with unlimited funds decides to play at your average online casino , how long before they ban him - I would give him a week. Yes with a massive unlimited bankroll I would say you could hammer any casino good and proper.
How a billion Dollar Bank Roll can overcome the table limits is difficult to fathom ?
Say they chose to play at Smart Live on line Casino how would the inside limits of 1 - 100 or the EC's @ 10 - 1,000 give them any more advantage than another player with a 2,000 BR ?
Would not both players have an equal chance of winning an equal amount ?
If he wins, they'll give him a free room and drinks to keep in the casino so he might keep playing and lose. If he loses, they'll keep giving him freebies in hopes he'll keep losing.
Why would they ban him? Some of their options are:
1. Set new table limits, just for him.
2. Apply countermeasures (if they suspect advantage play)
The casino can do whatever they want. But banning is only an absolute last resort.