Is a personal losing streak possible?

[TwoCatSam]

Victor

This is mainly addressed to you, but all are encouraged to answer.

For the past few days, as I told Mr. Chips, I have been on a losing streak.  Considering the Lw and how things run in trends, do you think it is possible that a person can have a personal losing streak?  (Didn't Mick Jagger say something like: .....come back next week.  It seems I'm on a loosing streak.?)

Well, I can't get no satisfaction myself! 

What are these times where we can't bet on anything and have it win?  I feel I would lose at BJ or craps or whatever I played.  I wouldn't bet a horse to get out of the gate!

So let's not consider the game; just the player.  Can you have a personal losing streak?

Sam

[VLSroulette]

Yes, and you can't get rid of it until it ends.

When I was more inexperieced I tried to overcome them by "betting the house" or not betting at all but then I understood the only thing a Pro "cycles player" has to do is to flat-bet his personal bad times using the very very very minimum amount (it is OK if it is using the same system as usual as a guide).

This is for making the averages in the hit ratio of the player's own timeline.

Some players like goodhand do take advantage of their personal actuals. Also gr8player does "predict" when he has a losing session "due" (and he's usually right).

As a progressive player myself I have come to the conclusion of playing like I regularly do, just flat betting the very very minimum. It is my lifetime bankroll saver on a losing streak.

To win more when winning and give back less when losing Sam. As we don't "own Roulette" by hitting more than expected, the astute cycles player has to use such schemes.

Hope it helps and don't worry, player's manhood won't get smaller by betting the minimum until the bad streak ends

If possible as you are playing online try to look only for 1% of the bank. Then try for 2%, 3% and so on. Until you are once again in your regular target, but if not, give back the least by using very very min bets.

Your friend.
Victor

[TwoCatSam]

Victor

Very helpful and informative.  Always good to know I'm not in the boat alone.

Sam

[VLSroulette]

Sam, remember it is the player that makes the system work by wrapping a whole "big picture" strategy around it. The main goal of a structured system is to be able to win and lose in a structured manner. It is important to have a system as guideline even when losing

For instance say you are betting using "3rd repetition of a number in a 37-spin cycle". You know statistically it is a very common occurrence, but then you also know everything in roulette comes in cycles. What happens is you will find many consecutive cycles in which that event does appear, and then a clump in which it doesn't for several cycles or appears too erratically. You know you are in a good or bad moment by betting orderly. As soon as you detect a clump of 3rd repetition misses, your attitude as a proficient player is to lower your bets to the min, as you don't know for how long this negative happening will continue in your personal numerical stream.

Remember as we are talking about personal actuals, the next player using even 1 spin difference could have 3rd repetition and you don't. That is how it works in gambling. Learning how to act in your own negative streak is part of the game, and that how to act is to do your best in using as many resources as you can for losing the least; obviously the first step for losing the least being playing the lowest unit value possible.

Best regards,
Victor

[VLSroulette]

As to bet selection and when to enter, the oldest recommendation in the situational player's handbook is to enter only after a win for the system, risk a cycle and to make pauses after a cycle without a hit.

Cycle being calculated like 36 / <numerical coverage>. i.e. if you are playing 9-number groups after a hit for the system, you enter for: 36/9 = 4 spins. If no hit, then make a pause.

Wait for another hit for the system, then play another 4 spins after it. nothing again? Make another pause.

If for the third time you wait for a hit for the system, play yet another 4 spins and still no hit: you have missed 3 consecutive cycles. Time to make a larger pause and wait for a "virtual hit" within 4 spins after the system win to activate one more time the procedure of betting for real money after the system hits.

Like this:

<hit>4 spins,no hit<hit>4 spins,no hit<hit>4 spins,no hit = disable entering for real after a hit until this happens:
<hit>wins within 4 spins = enable entering for real after a hit again.

3 "attacks" after a hit missed again? Time for a larger pause until a virtual win within 4 spins to retake. This is "the cycles loop".

It aids in keeping you from betting the "harcoded" extreme happenings for the system's flow, enters at the key time for a concentration of wins for the system which is -no brainer- after a hit and gives you more time to take that human decision if it is worth to keep current session alive. It is a luxury the continous-bettor don't have as he will "swallow" every negative deviation happening to the system's stream.

The astute player evaluates his hit ratio against the ideals and if something smells very bad on the personal hit registry, it is time to leave without having lost it all. Better to keep those soldiers (units) for another battle when the scenario is more favorable for the player. When will you risk? When your oponent is strong and nothing seems to work (negative tram) or when you are in a personal momentum and everything goes right (positive tram)?

When you are riding the negative tram two things: patience, dispersion surfing ("The cycles loop") and betting the very minimum unit value for losing the least at the bad times.

Good thing with roulette is as wheel pockets are always open, no matter how much casino wishes for them not to appear, your numbers will finally come (and they will have a time when they will come in clumps in your favor by the very nature of the game).

It is only a matter of not opening up your wallet and dump it all when they aren't coming. [highlight]Hitting is inevitable and not hitting is inevitable[/highlight] (meditate on this). Cycles of concentration and dispersion of hits go both ways for you and the casino. You can't get lucky forever, and the house can't be lucky hitting above expectation cycle after cycle forever either.

Right now: patience, grinding mentality and 1% return as goal while it happens.

Best regards my dear Sam.

Your friend and brother in Roulette,
Victor

[AnandMajumdar]

hi victor,sam

read the thread until now.

had a thought in my mind. lets say sam and I are playing. sam has had the BEST postive tram of his life. not dropped a single session for a month. and I have had the WORST negative tram of my life. losing every 10 cent bet for the past month. now sam and I decide to play the same casino, same table at the same point. so we both enter the table at the same time. hence we both see the same numbers (hence "new eyes" on the marquis doesnt apply) . since sam is guiding me, I piggy-back on his bets playing the exact same that he does for all the spins. and we start with the same bankroll. [highlight]let me add/change this. it doesnt need to be that I am piggy-backing on his thought process. it could be the same system that we both follow, in the exact same way. hence we may be both thinking, so its my independant individual thought-out bet as much as it is his. but since we are using the same system in the same way, we end up betting the same. And lets say we select a method of play that was not adopted by either him or me in the past few days[/highlight]

hence the results of both our session will be the same. now one of two things will happen. either I will break my personal losing streak if sams good luck rubs off on me or sam will be the victim of my bad-luck, hence losing horribly.

now lets assume my losing streak is broken. could that be an indicator that it was probably the system that I initially was choosing to play was not working for me ? and that henceforth I should use sams system that he was using then ? or that I was mentally not fit to play and because I was losing I was making all futher bad decisions ? could that be it

now lets assume sams winning streak is broken. could it be because sam knew that he was riding on my ill-luck hence psychologically fumbled and didnt play his best ?

or could it be that the decision we made to play together was the turning point, written by god, to be the point where either of our lucks' (trams) could change ?

could this be a way of helping fellow members to break their losing trams ? could it also be risky for a person with a winning tram to play risky and tempt fate and believe that "no-matter-what-ill-lick -im-with-i-will-never-lose" ?

whichever way one looks at it, one fate will change. can we successfully say that fate can be changed by the player himself ?

anand

[AnandMajumdar]

to add to this..

lets say a player changes his fate (good or bad) for about two sessions playing with a different player. then goes back to playing on his own.
will his earlier luck catch up with him instantly (he will go back to winning or losing) or stay with his new found luck ?

if some tests are done with this about how this fares, and if more often than not the winning tram players are able to pull out the losers out of a losing one, how would it be if four or more players make a team. they individually discuss their individual streaks and the player with the best positive streak plays the bet and eveyone follows (of course if this (wierd) theory is working more often)..when his luck runs out another player takes over. do you think this "master-slave" way of playing could maximise wins ?

anand

[TwoCatSam]

Gents

It's around 4 a.m. in Oklahoma.  I should be in bed.  I will think more on these things tomorrow.

Sam

[shaineicus]

hello all,
Been thinking about this for a while after reading about losing streaks in ellisons book.
Cant help thinking that if we accept that personal losing streaks can happen then we must also accept that our winning streaks are pure luck and nothing to do with the system/ strategy  we may be using at the time? along the same lines as some players like to insist that rng is rigged when they have a losing session and their method fails them then the same must apply that the winning sessions were pure luck?.
guess this is the problem when trying to apply any logic or reasoning to a random game?

[ChickenDinner]

Just a thought - but maybe an even more astute player would always enter the casino ready to play 3 or more of their favourite strategies, and before they even make 1 bet, they monitor the wheel, playing in virtual for 37 spins. From this they can then see which strategy is getting the most hits as a guide as to which strategy they should play. Only at this point do they then apply the "when to enter" rules that Victor has outlined.

[enrique malou]

This is the way I would look at it. It seem Sam that you play a lot of session. so let assume that you play 1 session a day = 365 sessions in a year. and for argument sake you are going to win half your sessions. so you win 183 sessions and you lose 182 sessions. (I give you the extra one because I know you a good player  )  So really it is like the dispersion of hits. you could win 1 session lose 1 session and it could go like this for long time. or you could win two session and then lose two session. also this could repeat for long time. but yes also you could hit a time where you get ten of them 182 losing sessions all in the one go. This is where you need to be careful because if you lose it. then all your bankroll can dissapear. the advice Victor give is very good. It is just a matter of riding it out and doing the least damage. now imagine if you playing system that use negative progression and you have say 500 bankroll for each session. 10 session later you wiped probably  . Just limit the losses Sam and you get through it and come out the other side and start winning again. For any gambler it important not to have an all or nothing gambling mind. there is always another day or another week. better only losing half your bankroll and still having the other half to fight back with than lose it all and be on the sideline for a few weeks. best wishes Enrique.

[Lanky]

Hi Guys

Well when I go to play I record the last 20 spins at least.
Then by the time I have all the Lw Notations up to date there is most likely going to be another 5 spins or more to get done.

By doing this I get some sort of idea of what has happened in the past spins History & what is now coming from the dispersion of numbers that the roulette Wheel is Giving at the moment.
There could be changes to the past spin patterns & now we may be entering into a new phase.
On Either one or more of the,
LD
LC
JD
JC
Or any other Type of play.

Victor once told me that we may now be entering into the biggest winning or losing run on the Lw's ever in the History of Roulette.
And that we have no idea of what patterns or numbers etc was or has been thrown  since we have not been there in the past hours days etc.

This recording Habit if you like...has served me well & is a mainstay of My play.

Good On Ya Mates

Lanky

[Lohnro]

I find doing a graph of my results gives a good indication of when to stop using a system. If you graph the session results for each system you use, it will give a good idea of how the system is travelling compared to what is to be expected. I find line graphs in excel work best.

[Lohnro]

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