Questions about dispersion surfing

[Roulette787]

Even though a single system doesn't work long term, Victor, manrique, enrique malou (i think i got it right)...... agrees on one thing.

Which is 'dispersion surfing' is a long time winner. I don't think posting/asking this information won't be a threat to casinos since, this method requires practice, patience... and well, luck of course.


My questions are,
1. Victor says to bet on 6 numbers, while enrique says to go for 9 numbers.
What is the ideal?

2. And the important one,
Victor follows ATILA progression, while enrique says to flat bet or to use a positive progression (up as you win).
What are your thoughts on this?



PS: I'm new to dispersion surfing, so take it easy.

[Roulette787]

What?


No one has experiance or no one wanna answer? 

[VLSroulette]

My dear friend,

I want to. This is a must.

1. Victor says to bet on 6 numbers, while enrique says to go for 9 numbers.
What is the ideal?

2. And the important one,
Victor follows ATILA progression, while enrique says to flat bet or to use a positive progression (up as you win).
What are your thoughts on this?

Let me have a go at the both of them.

The ideal is proportional to your bankroll. The less numbers, the most money needed to cover the times without a hit in terms of cycles.

Example of this proportion:

Even chance. Cycle is 2 spins long. 3 cycles means 2 x 3 = 6 spins. Flat betting, this is -6 units.
Single number. Cycle is 37 spins long. 3 cycles means 37 x 3 = 111 spins. Flat betting, this is -111 units.

The proportionality of the units must match the bank.

In general rules, only if you can afford a larger bank, should you play the least numbers. I suggest 6 for the ATILA just because I'm comfortable with the length of dispersion attached to it.

I have tried the ATILA with 12 numbers, 9 numbers, 6 numbers, 3 numbers...

9 numbers is ok, 3 got too little coverage. My ideal is 6, and it is no surprise. I'm a line bettor since always and I visualize the events in their dynamics like something familiar.

So: Already familiar to me + confy "average" dispersion length to surf for 6 numbers coverage = happy line player vic

Also, I haven't gotten to expose deeply my passive-agressive dispersion surfing. In short it goes like this:

You FLAT BET dispersion times (yes, while you can't never know what is there next spin, you sure can measure if you haven't got a hit last X or Y amount of cycles and act accordingly).

This flat betting stage is the PASIVE part. When you measure the start of a "lagoon" without hits, yoiu switch to this pasive part as you never know how long will it last -this move stretches the bank-.,

You GO AGRESSIVE when hit ratio for current cycle is showing a concentration of hits. You can measure this phenomenon very clearly as for instance in a line 3 hits within a cycle of 6 spins is clearly facing a concentration of hits tram, and as much as you don't know for how long will (36/6 is a cycle for line).

This has much to do with taking advantage of what I call "hit clouds", parts of roulette cycles. As when you chart the usual behaviour of uneven coverage locations such as lines, street, splits and more obviously numbers, you'll see clearly times when there are no hits for many cycles, and also times where the hits come easily. They build what I like to refer as the "timeline" and the events on such timeline is what me and lanky and others play.

This is an extensive topic which deserves so much explaining my dear friend. I would totally love to elaborate deeply on it as this is my favorite aspect of roulette, how to surf dispersion of hits, calculating and acting to the different cycles, stretching the bank... But time is a b***h to me right now. In a couple of weeks please "bump" this thread an demand the extensive explanation part OR please ask one very specific question at a time regarding what I wrote above so I can do it in any minute of the day I can.

With loads of love, your currently time-constrained (but willing to help) friend in the wheel.
Victor

[Roulette787]

Thanks Victor for the reply.


Gives me a better idea on how to position the game in my mind.



Thanks.

[ChickenDinner]

The Chicken was gonna have a bash at answering this, but realised as soon I started writing what a vast area it is, so I didn't bother. Victor has done a great job above though.

An important thing to remember about dispersion surfing though is sometimes the hits will arrive at a very staggered rate. You might think you're in what Victor calls a 'hit cloud' but suddenly that cloud will evaporate and you'll be in 'dispersion city' again my friend. This can lead to wasteful losses - you start betting a bit more because you think luck is on your side again, but really it was just a passing hit cloud.

The best thing to do is develop a strategy where you can swiftly change from aggressive to passive. This is something I've been puzzling over now for the past month or so. At the moment, I go virtual if I don't get a hit within a cycle, then re-enter after a virtual hit, using a mild progression. If miss 3 cycles, I'll still wait for another virtual hit before re-entering, but will now bet the very minimum until I get 3 hits that meet with the statistical expectations of the bet selection I am placing. After this, I'll return to my mild progression (using Lanky's divisor), but will be ready to repeat the above process if the hits don't come (or even quit for the day).

Like I said though, I'm still puzzling over the best ways to employ this betting strategy. But I think it is important to find something that suits you.

Hope this helps.

@ Victor. When you have time mate, I'd be interested in hearing more about ways of dealing with those games where the hit clouds are small, ie, you don't really find yourself in a hit cloud,  but rather a few hits, short dispersion, a few hits, long dispersion, few hits, short dispersion, 2 hits, long dispersion, etc. You don't lose too much, but your BR just seems stuck at a certain level (eg, 70 units down). In such circumstances, I've tried all sorts of strategies: taking a break, changing table, playing mini-games (like parahuting a number), with mixed results. I think just quiting at a minimal lose is best in these circumstances...you know, the days where it doesn't matter how equipped you are, every choice was wrong...




Cheers
CD

[ChickenDinner]

I see you answered my question in a previous post:

"Some times the best way to surf current dispersion for the session is leaving off the table and call it a day; it is all part of being a proficient player: not letting a bad day wipe you up."

I think that this advice might also apply to those sessions where your BR yo-yos a bit, but is mostly stuck in one place.

CD

[Roulette787]

CD,


Do you play a pre-defined set of numbers?....... like 6, 9, 12 etc..

or do select numbers depending on the table?



Cheers,
R787.

[ChickenDinner]

Hi Roulette787,

At the moment I play either 1 or 2 lines (double streets - 6 or 12 numbers depending on bet signals). Although it's still early days in my testing, I have found lohnro's-double-street-system a reliable way to select lines that you can either ride of surf. Lonrho is still showing profit after many years of playing it.

If you like line betting (or surfing), check it out:

nolinks://vlsroulette.com/full-systems/lohnro's-double-street-system/45/?topicseen

Cheers
CD

[ChickenDinner]

Hi Victor,

I want to push you on this topic mate.

Can you elaborate a bit more on specific ways of surfing the dispersions during a session. For instance, do you find it preferable to flat bet the minumum or go into virtual play at the first sign of a dispersion (a missed cycle)? I guess it depends on the length of dispersion. I'm experimenting with a strategy based around min betting after the first missed cycle and then going into virtual play if I miss on the following cycle of betting. Then, after 1 virtual hit within a cycle, I return to min betting first and only if I hit within the next cycle, do I go back to standard betting (which is Lanky's divisor for me). Else, I return to virtual betting.

I'll then repeat this process if necessary, but if I find myself stuck in a rut, I'll stick with virtual/min betting until I get 2 hits.

I hope this makes sense!

Sessions last longer, sure, and you sometimes think to yourself 'damn, I'm missing hits here!', but generally it seems to work really well; and it is a great feeling to watch a massive dispersion occur while you're not betting a single chip, and then, as soon as you starting betting again, you totally clean up with a sweet succession of hits!

However, I want to fine tune this as much as possible. So any thoughts toward improving/tweaking this strategy will be greatly appreciated.

Cheers,
CD

[ChickenDinner]

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