Definition of beating the game of roulette

[VLSroulette]

No matter how. Definition of beating roulette (as a mathematical game or as a physical device) is very simple: It is getting the positive edge so with 100% certainty you can say you will be a winner in the long run. With a real edge over the game, the more you play, the more you win, the larger the played sample, the more money expected to be earned; no buts, no ifs; if you have a real positive edge at roulette, you have to be a winner in the long run according to the math.

The casino is another roulette player with 2.7% positive advantage, so it is guaranteed by math to be in profit long term.

The big question to debate is regarding us, players: can we make money with this game without "beating the wheel" (as per the above definition)?

I have my views on this already set

So... What do you guys think? Debate is open!
Victor

[Boo_Ray]

I totaly agree with you Vic.. And you can win both ways with physics and mathematics, but In both methods there is no straight forwoard system that will win long term, there is always human factor that will take it or kill it..

Beating with physics is equal to mathematics, at mathematics you need bigger BR, at physics you need "special wheel" that you will play on..
And finding that "special wheel" is getting harder as manufacturers are getting advanced

I know a few methods that will work for sure:
Victors Lw, no matter what you should play: dozens, lines, colums... (alot of learning and human factor to avoid Ls)
Lanky's 6point div.. Easy to learn a bit harder to handle when thing go a bit cheezy, but in the end it will save your BR
Wheel Bias (gathering enormous amount of spins from alot of tables)
VB (after finding "special wheel")
winkel's G.U.T (also alot of human factor when to declar high risk and low risk bets) (I know that some may argue with that )

One more thing I learned: Roulette IS a game of independent trials, BUT have you ever seen 10 straight numbers in a row or maybe 100blacks?


That is my view and maybe a nudge to start real debate LOL

[Carlitos]

...........short time play would give you the best change i think 





Carlitos 

[Diarmaid]

...........short time play would give you the best change I think 





Carlitos 

Yes but doesn't short term play,  played every,   become long term play?

Diarmaid

[Carlitos]

........thats why you must keep it short....... just a few spins 





Carlitos 

[geoff365]

"short time play would give you the best change I think".......YES

"Yes but doesn't short term play,  played every,   become long term play?"........NO each session is independent of the last. In each session different numbers will lead. (Check out the leader system) Other numbers will be sleeping (Check out Ken's System) Either way the session numbers will be different.

"That's why you must keep it short....... just a few spins".........YES less than 100 including charting will be fine. Run over that then a level session would be good. Save the bank roll and fight for another day. Remember in the short term things are no way equal other wise it would be 37 spins with 37 different numbers.

[Proofreaders2000]

I like the "hit and run" concept. Or playing every 10 to 15 spins.  The house edge is still there, but seemingly milder.

[shaineicus]

maybe turbo was right when he said to shoot for a one unit profit every cycle 36/37 spins?
makes sense really.

[hoper35]

One key is the "stop loss".  Like stocks, ensure that when you are ahead that you do not give it all back to the casino.


Ron.

[hoper35]

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