20 out of 6,775,235,700 people believe that roulette can be beaten

[simon]

Roulette cannot be beaten based on mathematics and probability.

............. completely agree

the only way to beat this game is using physics.

............. completely agree... just don't think it's doable, ball and wheel go too fast and too many variables.  even if you could be correct in predicting where the ball would land in a target area that covers 3/4's of the wheel, and even if you could be correct in this bet just a little more than 50% of the time, I know exactly how I would bet and could beat the wheel.  tried it been there done that didn't work out (closest I could come to overseeing this bet which can be made quickly on an Amercan wheel was to see if the dealer threw the ball before the 0 or before the 00 and see if/when ball landed in target area or not.)

[simon]

ok AP guy I'll even tell you the secret what you should bet if you think you can predict even a large target where the ball will land, and even if you can predict this correctly just more than 50% of the time-- if you tell me how to do it-- on an unbiased wheel.  here it is... just bet American wheel columns A and C and you've covered 23 contiguous numbers on the wheel with only 3 number gaps (which you could also back) when you think the ball will land in this large target area.  if you can predict that more than 50% of the time, you got the wheel beat.

[Kelly]

Simon the entire basis in advantage play is exploiting a bias. No real advantage players would attack a unbiased wheel. The bias might not be what the casino classifys as a bias though and is not a rare thing. 

The dealers signature you describe need several biases. More than 15 ball revs, forget it. No drop zone, forget it. Jumpy ball, forget it.  Too high variation in wheel speeds, forget it. Etc.

A good VB player is able to identify the biases needed for a signature game but would only play it with small stakes if VB was not possible. '

I can`t think of anyone i know of, who would just walk up to a wheel and start prediting 1/2 a wheel more than 50% correct if it happens to be truly unbiased.

[simon]

sounds pretty hopeless.  can't even hit the A/C target more than 50% without finding a dealer who throws the ball slowly into a lopsided wheel... what a shame...

[medo]

I'm one of these 20 Simon......you haven't exploited long enough.
Just attach one of my world visits so you wouldn't think I+m talking b....t

[simon]

I'm one of these 20 Simon......you haven't exploited long enough.
Just attach one of my world visits so you wouldn't think I+m talking b....t

.............. I don't even know what that means.  ok so you have a good job and go globe trotting and lose how much a year to roulette?

[money13]

Nice pictures Medo 
Please say me more about Simon here or send me private massage. 

[simon]

Nice pictures Medo  
Please say me more about Simon here or send me private massage.  

...... private massage?  that sounds like fun.  but at least let's get one from a woman.  what do you want medo to say you more about me?   oooh medo, say bad things about simon, say it again!  wow....

[ReDsQuaD]

I'm one of these 20 Simon......you haven't exploited long enough.
Just attach one of my world visits so you wouldn't think I+m talking b....t

HeY Medo. Which casino is this?

Thanks.

[ReDsQuaD]

.............. I don't even know what that means.  ok so you have a good job and go globe trotting and lose how much a year to roulette?

You did not get what he was trying to tell you?

Its hopeless for you.

[simon]

You did not get what he was trying to tell you?

Its hopeless for you.

.......... it's hopeless for everyone if you have to find a dealer who throws the ball slowly into a lopsided wheel to even hit a target that is 3/4's of the wheel a little more than 50% of the time.  I told you the bet, why don't you offer something constructive instead of just claiming people are beating the wheel every day with visual prediction?  I have seen all of Lawrence Scott's materials and Scott Lang's work that you can't even get and others on this subject, long ago, and it all ended up in the trash because there aren't too many casinos with lame-ass old wheels sitting around, which wouldn't help much anyway even if you could play them (unless you have eyes like Superman.)

[Kelly]

You obviously didn`t watch the instruction video that goes with Laurances material where he predicts on a pretty fast wheel.  You obviously haven`t read the updated version that came in 2005, where cross over patterns are not needed anymore, either.   But you are right, i don`t think either that more than 20 people is making a living from roulette. 

[simon]

You obviously didn`t watch the instruction video that goes with Laurances material where he predicts on a pretty fast wheel.  You obviously haven`t read the updated version that came in 2005, where cross over patterns are not needed anymore, either.   But you are right, I don`t think either that more than 20 people is making a living from roulette. 

... that is correct, I did not see the video, I only had the printed version of the older manual that someone copied for me.  And I had Scott Lang's book which I could only find available at the Library of Congress-- they copied the whole thing for me and sent it to me-- he was a mechanical engineer who wrote a system for clocking the wheel with a stop-watch-- tried it, my eyes just weren't good enough, don't have 20/20, wear glasses, or something or other didn't work out, unfortunately.  I think it was pretty obvious what I was trying to do, but the casino didn't seem to care....

[ReDsQuaD]

.......... it's hopeless for everyone if you have to find a dealer who throws the ball slowly into a lopsided wheel to even hit a target that is 3/4's of the wheel a little more than 50% of the time.  I told you the bet, why don't you offer something constructive instead of just claiming people are beating the wheel every day with visual prediction?  I have seen all of Lawrence Scott's materials and Scott Lang's work that you can't even get and others on this subject, long ago, and it all ended up in the trash because there aren't too many casinos with lame-ass old wheels sitting around, which wouldn't help much anyway even if you could play them (unless you have eyes like Superman.)

Look man, you just haven't done enough research. Pm me if you want me to put you in the right direction.

James.

[simon]

saw the genuine winner website, doesn't look like something I would want to get involved with, thanks anyway.

[simon]

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