Things casinos do to discourage AP

[TierPlayer]

In the first place, let me clarify I am only a wannabe-AP, but still far from it. My only similarity with an AP should be the playing of non-fixed sectors. Do I win in the local casino ? Rarely. So why do they so often change the dealer when I sit on a roulette table? The dealers normally change in groups (shifts), yet most times my dealer is replaced after spinning only once or twice - the other dealers stay firm. Also, I have noticed that some dealers that used to spin softly will often switch to wild spinning once I choose to play there.
My questions are : is it possible that one attracts attention even if he is not winning? how much spying does a player get? do casinos listen to all that I say, even if I'm just whispering?  do they use one's personal details to spot potential APs? Or is it just my science fiction.
And another thing : does the casino know where the ball will land (probabilistically) before it does? (using the equivalent of a roulette computer and their perfect view from the CCTV cameras above).
Ex-dealers and ex-casino stuff or whoever has something to comment on, you are very welcome to answer this ! 

[Steve]

Every casino is different, and in every casino there are different staff. Some dont give a rats behind. Others actually do their job. It is hard to generalize, but most of the time if all you are ever doing is writing stuff down, it will look suspicious, which is why you need to still play occasionally while analyzing. Wins here and there are not a problem and dont draw attention. It's only if you over-do it that you get undue attention.

On the whole, casino surveillance is lacking big time, and that's because 99% of players lose. You can comfortably get away with a handsome some of money over time without raising an eyebrow. Just dont make any greedy or stupid mistakes.

[NewIdea]

In the first place, let me clarify I am only a wannabe-AP, but still far from it. My only similarity with an AP should be the playing of non-fixed sectors. Do I win in the local casino ? Rarely. So why do they so often change the dealer when I sit on a roulette table? The dealers normally change in groups (shifts), yet most times my dealer is replaced after spinning only once or twice - the other dealers stay firm. Also, I have noticed that some dealers that used to spin softly will often switch to wild spinning once I choose to play there.
My questions are : is it possible that one attracts attention even if he is not winning? how much spying does a player get? do casinos listen to all that I say, even if I'm just whispering?  do they use one's personal details to spot potential APs? Or is it just my science fiction.
And another thing : does the casino know where the ball will land (probabilistically) before it does? (using the equivalent of a roulette computer and their perfect view from the CCTV cameras above).
Ex-dealers and ex-casino stuff or whoever has something to comment on, you are very welcome to answer this ! 

Yes  casino is always very watchful of AP and regular winners. Similar to your experience every time i sit down and play there will be dealer change every 3-4 games. Dealer change frequencies is normally 45min- 1 hour at land base casino.
Strangely, i do not have this problem when i play in the Philippines and Cambodia. Reason being i am not a regular player in these country.

[purple]

When I sense that a dealer change has been made in an 'aggressive way', in other words to correct possible mistakes the previous dealer has been making I go play another table! I can feel they're up to no good.

[VLSroulette]

When looking at how some casinos behave regarding their human dealers, the more I love the automated machines.

No dealer change, no pit crew watching over your shoulder. Only if you abuse very heavily would you rise any eyebrow on those machines, at least this seems the norm at the present time at the casinos around here.

(I.e. in the years I've been attending the local casinos I've only heard of one (1) consistent winner who was banned out of winning too much on the automated machines, he was doing like $20K/night. This is the only case I've heard about from my ex-dealer friend. Not even the asians are banned and they do get the ocassional large chunk out of it).

I can say it is safer to play at the automated machines if you can have the edge there.

[TierPlayer]

That's a good point, VLSroulette. The tough task is to get an edge over the automated wheels lol.. if you find yout way , yoohoo ! 

[Steve]

There is never a wheel without weaknesses, never. It's more a question of:

1. Determining what isn't random, or more precisely "unpredictable"

2. How to exploit it correctly, and avoid the double-edge sword (going from the correct sector, to avoiding the correct sector)

3. Whether or not the exploitation is practical, and achieves enough edge.

Automated wheels are no exception. In many cases they are easier to beat.

[VLSroulette]

That's a good point, VLSroulette. The tough task is to get an edge over the automated wheels lol.. if you find yout way , yoohoo !  

Hey TP, nice to meet you; call me Victor mate!

I can say slowly here in Venezuela the face of roulette is the automated tables taking over more and more versus traditional roulette. One less wage for management to consider I guess.

[TierPlayer]

Victor, that's a pleasure to meet you !

I guess you are right, an automatic wheel saves a wage, also it relieves them from an employee that requires  surveillance. The auto wheel in the local casino has a ball that appears suddenly out of nowhere (well the view isn't great and the players' distance from the wheel is more than 2m). I'm inclined to go play over there and keep notes (spins that is). But I think it is unlikely that something good turns up.

Maybe I should wait some years till it gets tilted haha!

[Mr J]

"casino is always very watchful of AP and regular winners" >>> Half correct. They WATCH the person who is making big cash regardless of how its done. It can also be pure luck or cheating. The casino staff does not have a little meeting and saying, "hey guys, I think the lady in blue is an AP (cough) player, keep an eye on her".  It won't happen.  Ken

[Kelly]

To some extent correct J, the first thing that raises a flag is the winning, but the next is how its done.  A term in between surveillance people is "candystore" which is casinos where surveillance lets APs do their thing without stopping it.  Most personel will monitor winners that stare in the wheel, betting after the ball is released and only bets call/sector betting.  If it gets out of hand, the dealer will first be told to not accept bets after ball release from the suspected person (but accept it from the rest of the players) secondly, if the player approaches the casino again, there might be trouble with the membership card.

Personally i have seen a "mug shot" of myself on a labtop in a drawer the pit boss pulled out during a night where half of the casino were playing some Poker tournement.  The camera was in the ceiling and i was bend over the table with my arm stretched out so a part of a tatoo i got that ends at the wrist was just sticking out below the sleeve. I got a small shock since i wasn`t aware that i was in some sort of archive.  The mug shot was 1 out of 9 on the screen, i was the only one filmed playing roulette, the others were card players.  The archive is probably bigger than the screen i managed to get  a glimpse of though.

The modern casino actually monitors and keeps track of the wheel speed and strike diamonds (Dropzone Detection) but thats about it. It only tells them when to have the wheel leveled out.

You might be attracting attention if you have you whole upperhalf of the body hanging over the wheel, but as long as no one is disturbed by it, they will let you do it as long as you are not a threat or are in the way for players coming in from that side of the table or blocks the view for one of the ceiling cameras. They are very sensitive if they can`t see the whole table layout action.

[Mr J]

"You might be attracting attention if you have you whole upperhalf of the body hanging over the wheel" >>> What?

[Kelly]

Well you get picture, maybe not that obvious.  But i have seen people literally standing with their face  40 - 50 centimeters away from the wheel. I would recommend glasses and step a little bit back and maybe not look so bloody interested in that little ball flying around.

[No More Bets]

My questions are : is it possible that one attracts attention even if he is not winning? how much spying does a player get? do casinos listen to all that I say, even if I'm just whispering?  do they use one's personal details to spot potential APs? Or is it just my science fiction.
And another thing : does the casino know where the ball will land (probabilistically) before it does? (using the equivalent of a roulette computer and their perfect view from the CCTV cameras above).
Ex-dealers and ex-casino stuff or whoever has something to comment on, you are very welcome to answer this ! 

Yes, your suspicions are well founded.

You are CONSTANTLY being monitored by the Casino..  (we are terrified of APes)    lol

Also by your Government, CIA, FBI, DoD, NSA, Nasa, Illuminati, Microsoft, Google, Boss..

And possibly even your own wife / girlfriend /  pet Chihuahua...!!!!

But, The way I see it, if you have nothing to hide, you have absolutely nothing to worry about.

[No More Bets]

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