RNG Analysis Software

[John Gold]

This may sound a bit crazy but it strikes me that as long as you had a 'fair' rng, it should be easier to beat than a physical roulette wheel.
Let's say you are playing rng and you have a timer which makes you push the spin button every seconds. Is it possible this will produce more long lasting streaks of one kind or another.
You have no croupier changes. No players coming in and out of the game effecting the timeline of events.
Maybe I am just looking for positives that are not really there, who knows. I will certainly give it some thought.

[Steve]

Absolutely right, yes I'm looking for a "holy grail". I have made it clear I dont expect I will succeed, but I will still try, and am after input from everyone. Most people go in circles and dont try new things. What I am doing here is NEW.

Bombus I know what you said, but that is what real casino RNG does. To generate any RNG numbers, there will be multiple passes. We dont know what can be found until we look, and look in different ways.

[Wheel Man]

About 11 years ago, I came up with a formula for tracking dealer signature.  I used a 12 number flat-betting scheme.  I'd track for 20 spins, then bet the next 18 spins.  Of course, due to the complexity of the calculation and the fact that I was a history major, instead of a math major, all my harried scribbling was bound to cripple my method with the observer effect, once I got beyond the $ 0. 25 tables.  I was encouraged by the results, but convinced myself that without a less conspicuous method of tracking (hidden computer), it was impractical to continue. 

Anyway, lately I've been considering another run at it.  Perhaps, this time I'd collaborate with someone whose talents went beyond the predictive pattern-recognition skills of a good history major, someone whose skills included technology, programming, and advanced mathematics (areas where I'm . . .  deficient).

So, I'm thinking in terms of short-term virtual bias analysis, incorporating sector, range, and recurrence, to determine which, if any, of these elements is trending the hottest at any given spin mark.  I've done some crude/limited testing of this approach, but haven't had the time, tech, or resources for any sophisticated/conclusive analysis . . .  yet.  Seems ideally suited for the type of thing Steve is attempting to coordinate, though.  FWIW.

[Steve]

Treat dealer signature as just another variable, not the be all end all. I start out teaching players about basic reference charting, ie from one spin to the next. I call it primordial charting. From there, many more variables are introduced that increase predictability of spins. For example you can mix vb, bias analysis, dealer signature and more rolled into one method. But that's beyond the scope of this thread.

[Wheel Man]

I like that term: "primordial charting. " Where can I read more about that?

You're probably right to disregard the mechanical/human elements in rng analysis.  But, is it possible to treat the rng programmer/s as a virtual croupier?

Also, if there's a system of analysis (with the circumstantial exception of vb) you'd apply to a list of numbers from a physical wheel, one that demonstrates better than statistically average  predictive success, have you already applied the same method to strings of rng generated numbers? If so,  what was the degree of variance?

If you can reverse-engineer strings of numbers, whether from virtual or physical wheels, to create short-term player advantage, how important is actual cause to the virtual effect?

Please, understand that I'm asking out of relative ignorance -- not for the purposes of argumentation -- since I've conducted no such comparison myself.

Thanks

[schoenpoetser]

You must first ask yourself what you want to discover of the software.
It is useless to examine a honest scientific RNG.
What kind of software does a internet casino use and how they will make profit.
The software consists with some partial software programs
1) The rng
2) the recording program
3) detection program
4) a bankroll

The programs together makes the software.Depends  the outcome  on 1(  2) and 3) than in my opinion the software is manipulated.You have to examine the source software to prove it.
To prove it with a analyse program you need a very large sample.
The best way is to develop a program for EC.

[Kagatori]

So what's the goal here?

Like it or not, I think you will have to employ some kind of progressive betting to stand any chance.

And then there is the real danger of disconnection from online casinos just as you reach the upper levels of your progression ladder...so easy to do, and that's free money for them.

I think your spot on there Bombus. Where RNG is concerned, A progression that is gradual and maybe tied in with mathmatics I feel could work very well. The martingale is betting suicide, so it has stay practical and within table limits.  I have one which im currently testing and looks promising so far, but I havent done anywhere near enough tests, allthough it does look promising.

[Kagatori]

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