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The Gizmotron Black Box Validator - A sneak peek

Started by gizmotron, April 05, 2011, 12:41:27 PM

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iggiv

Gizmo, the black box started losing. Even though i hit-n-run. lost 2 times already from the beginning.

cheese

Quote from: iggiv on April 09, 2011, 11:55:01 PM
Gizmo, the black box started losing..

Say it ain't so. Keep trying, do more testing.

Kelly

I testet 01.10 1998 and 02.10 1998 Hamburg spins and it peddled around -150 and +20 most of the time. I testet around 120 spins each day and both finished negative, which aint saying much because i could have just finished when i was at +20. But none of the days seemed to accumulate any gains .

gizmotron

Quote from: cheese on April 10, 2011, 12:02:35 AM
Say it ain't so. Keep trying, do more testing. 

I told you it would produce win streaks and loss streaks. I left out a layer for session difficulties. So far it's doing what I hoped it would. My students know how to deal with losing streaks. Or, they were told about it anyway. So don't act surprised when they come. You have to be smarter than the wood that makes up the wheel. This works pretty good for getting to this stage. I'm not done yet. I have one more layer to add to it. The global effectiveness layer.

gizmotron

Quote from: Kelly on April 10, 2011, 01:02:03 AM
I testet 01.10 1998 and 02.10 1998 Hamburg spins and it peddled around -150 and +20 most of the time. I testet around 120 spins each day and both finished negative, which aint saying much because I could have just finished when I was at +20. But none of the days seemed to accumulate any gains .

Great. That's a real world test. So it grinds away when things are bad. I hope I can identify that and put out the bad session warning when it happens. That may not be good enough but the person playing it has to eventually understand that this thing's goal is to seek out conditions that are identifiable. It's mostly just a device that obtains the three states. That's exactly what it should do. It will be funny to see if the Mathboyz only have bad experiences with it. You know, does this program produce curve  fitted results because of user bias? That will be a real interesting observation of the members at this forum.

gizmotron

Quote from: mr.ore on April 09, 2011, 11:07:33 PM
Could you make a version with text input/output? Just a console application without gui. It would be better for testing, because all what would be needed is to redirect an input and output. I would like to see graphs it would produce. Don't bother with gui.output format (gnuplot):

No frigging way man! With a console driven access you could reverse engineer the algorithm. Hence the polite reference to producing it as a Black Box in the first place. Nice try. Make your own graphs. This is a proof of concept demonstration. That is all it was ever meant to be. There must be a division between seeing it work and how it actually works.

cheese

Quote from: Kelly on April 10, 2011, 01:02:03 AM
But none of the days seemed to accumulate any gains .

Very sad. I knew this would happen, I hate it when I'm right.

cheese

Quote from: Gizmotron on April 10, 2011, 01:03:55 AM
So far it's doing what I hoped it would. My students know how to deal with losing streaks. Or, they were told about it anyway.

If you hoped it would lose, you were correct. Your students better know how to deal with losing, its all they'll be doing.

cheese

Quote from: Gizmotron on April 10, 2011, 01:12:09 AM
Great. That's a real world test. So it grinds away when things are bad.

It gets ahead, it gets behind, it finishes losing right at the house edge. It works perfectly. Congrats!

Kelly

Curve fitted results because of user bias ?  I just put the number in the box as they appears. I just tried 03.10 1998 Hamburg and at spin 216 its down -280 but it has been below -300 at several points.  Even if i shoukld have missed a spin, which is impossible to back track, there really are no gains so far.  Should i cut and paste the numbers in here ? In the old days they could be verified on the net but they are gone now, but i think i have seen an upload somewhere on the net. 

gizmotron

Quote from: cheese on April 10, 2011, 12:02:35 AM
Say it ain't so. Keep trying, do more testing.

What a ridiculous comment. You are so invested in my downfall that I think you don't want anyone to know that I raped you. I may be toasted beyond belief but I earned this. I really don't care if you are having one of your chronic hissy fits. You are an amoeba compared to my brain power. I can dismiss you with a simple handler or a function.

function dealWithSpike
put cheese into cessPoolStinksLikeShit with happyFace & eatItToo
end dealWithSpike

=============================================
This is an untested Beta. It might have bugs. It has never locked up. There are no memory leaks. Please report feature requests. It's intentionally minimal.

nolinks://home.earthlink.net/~gizmotron/getbetaGBB.exe

This is a self extracting archive. It contains a simple installation program. It will place a shortcut icon on your desktop. It comes with an un-installer in your programs folder.


Kelly

Sorry for taking up so much space. The - sign, is marking a dealer shift.

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VKM

Gizmo,

I tested 6 sessions of past real spins from the casino that I play at.  American 0/00 Wheel.  Bad results for me.  
(126 Spins -260.)  (56 Spins -140.)  (64 Spins -300.)  (93 spins -100.)  (79 Spins -200.)  (112 Spins -130.)

Could be a case of really bad luck.  I'll be testing it some more.  I wanted to let you know that I appreciate your efforts.  Thanks.


VKM


gizmotron

Quote from: Kelly on April 10, 2011, 01:33:18 AM
Curve fitted results because of user bias ?  I just put the number in the box as they appears. I just tried 03.10 1998 Hamburg and at spin 216 its down -280 but it has been below -300 at several points.  Even if I shoukld have missed a spin, which is impossible to back track, there really are no gains so far.  Should I cut and paste the numbers in here ? In the old days they could be verified on the net but they are gone now, but I think I have seen an upload somewhere on the net. 

You are so happy finding a losing streak aren't you? There's no bias here. We can all see your valued integrity coming forward in a timely manner. Did you get any win streaks? Maybe you are a bad luck magnate.

cheese

Quote from: VKM on April 10, 2011, 01:44:49 AM


I tested 6 sessions of past real spins from the casino that I play at.  American 0/00 Wheel.  Bad results for me.  
(126 Spins -260.)  (56 Spins -140.)  (64 Spins -300.)  (93 spins -100.)  (79 Spins -200.)  (112 Spins -130.)








You didn't play long enough for each session. Unless you're using a progression, these results wouldn't be consistent.

cheese

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