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The Gizmotron Black Box Validator - A sneak peek

Started by gizmotron, April 05, 2011, 12:41:27 PM

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gizmotron

Quote from: cheese on April 10, 2011, 03:18:34 AM
HUH? Losing six short sessions is well within the bounderies of probability, its not unusual in the least. Losing 15 in a row, that would be pushing it. Winning six in a row is just as likely. 

Thread Killer!

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This is an untested Beta. It might have bugs. It has never locked up. There are no memory leaks. Please report feature requests. It's intentionally minimal.

nolinks://home.earthlink.net/~gizmotron/getbetaGBB.exe

This is a self extracting archive. It contains a simple installation program. It will place a shortcut icon on your desktop. It comes with an un-installer in your programs folder.


cheese

Quote from: Gizmotron on April 10, 2011, 03:20:07 AM
Thread Killer!




Anybody that questions you or disagree's with you is a thread killer. You don't want a discussion, you want a pulpit where you can preach.

cheese

You want a real test, do 6 500 spin sessions and look at the results.

gizmotron

Quote from: cheese on April 10, 2011, 03:24:42 AM
You want a real test, do 6 500 spin sessions and look at the results.

This is not a discussion. It's just another command from you. All you do is filibuster the threads like an internet stalker.

Thread Killer!

======================================================
This is an untested Beta. It might have bugs. It has never locked up. There are no memory leaks. Please report feature requests. It's intentionally minimal.

nolinks://home.earthlink.net/~gizmotron/getbetaGBB.exe

This is a self extracting archive. It contains a simple installation program. It will place a shortcut icon on your desktop. It comes with an un-installer in your programs folder.


gizmotron

Dear Spike,

This is not a discussion. It's just another command from you. All you do is filibuster the threads like an internet stalker.

Thread Killer!

======================================================
This is an untested Beta. It might have bugs. It has never locked up. There are no memory leaks. Please report feature requests. It's intentionally minimal.

nolinks://home.earthlink.net/~gizmotron/getbetaGBB.exe

This is a self extracting archive. It contains a simple installation program. It will place a shortcut icon on your desktop. It comes with an un-installer in your programs folder.


gizmotron

Dear Spike,

This is not a discussion. It's just another command from you. All you do is filibuster the threads like an internet stalker.

Thread Killer!

======================================================
This is an untested Beta. It might have bugs. It has never locked up. There are no memory leaks. Please report feature requests. It's intentionally minimal.

nolinks://home.earthlink.net/~gizmotron/getbetaGBB.exe

This is a self extracting archive. It contains a simple installation program. It will place a shortcut icon on your desktop. It comes with an un-installer in your programs folder.


cheese

Quote from: Gizmotron on April 10, 2011, 03:32:16 AM
Dear Spike,

This is not a discussion.



OK, I'll download it and post the results of 6 500 spin tests.

gizmotron

This software does not contain bad session avoidance. So knock yourself out. It has already produced the exact results I hoped it would. That should please you too. You think that this testing is the final word of what's going on here. I hope you get medical treatment that reaches at least this highest expectation.  You deserve at least that much concern in your final days.

======================================================
This is an untested Beta. It might have bugs. It has never locked up. There are no memory leaks. Please report feature requests. It's intentionally minimal.

nolinks://home.earthlink.net/~gizmotron/getbetaGBB.exe

This is a self extracting archive. It contains a simple installation program. It will place a shortcut icon on your desktop. It comes with an un-installer in your programs folder.


cheese

Quote from: Gizmotron on April 10, 2011, 03:47:57 AM
This software does not contain bad session avoidance. So knock yourself out.




I changed my mind already. Its too much work for no apparent reason.

gizmotron

Cheese - "I changed my mind already. Its too much work for no apparent reason."

First time you acted smart all day.

Kelly

QuoteThis software does not contain bad session avoidance. So knock yourself out.

Arhh gizmo......thats a bit far fetched,  whats the point then ?

The results so far just fluctates around expectation with a very bolded arrow pointing downwards. One could have obtained the same results by just betting 1 and 2 dozen. If that was your goal, then why make a black box with a hidden bet selection ? Im pretty sure your algorithm is designed to pick the best bets according to your beliefs. Any system goes in plus if there is a bad session detector that kicks in before this happens. The problem is, you don`t know when that is gonna happen. 

mr.ore

Quote from: Gizmotron on April 10, 2011, 01:21:00 AM
No frigging way man! With a console driven access you could reverse engineer the algorithm. Hence the polite reference to producing it as a Black Box in the first place. Nice try. Make your own graphs. This is a proof of concept demonstration. That is all it was ever meant to be. There must be a division between seeing it work and how it actually works.
Console driven black box is still console driven blackbox. It would not be blackbox if you provided us with source code. We need a graph with enough spins where we could prove that your bet selection can always select or create winning streaks without too long period of choppy state. It is what you claim, right? That it would catch streaks, always. Then you cannot avoid losing streaks. If you can ensure winning streaks then positive progression would be way to go.

gizmotron

Quote from: mr.ore on April 10, 2011, 04:39:47 AM
Console driven black box is still console driven blackbox. It would not be blackbox if you provided us with source code. We need a graph with enough spins where we could prove that your bet selection can always select or create winning streaks without too long period of choppy state. It is what you claim, right? That it would catch streaks, always. Then you cannot avoid losing streaks. If you can ensure winning streaks then positive progression would be way to go.

Well this won't be console driven.

I'm going to add sequence testing. That will allow comma delimited tests without having to enter each spin one at a time. There's far too much tedium in all this slow testing.

gizmotron

Quote from: Kelly on April 10, 2011, 04:21:39 AM
Arhh gizmo......thats a bit far fetched,  whats the point then ?

The results so far just fluctates around expectation with a very bolded arrow pointing downwards. One could have obtained the same results by just betting 1 and 2 dozen. If that was your goal, then why make a black box with a hidden bet selection ? Im pretty sure your algorithm is designed to pick the best bets according to your beliefs. Any system goes in plus if there is a bad session detector that kicks in before this happens. The problem is, you don`t know when that is gonna happen. 

I do too. I'm surprised at that you can't think with common sense. It's so easy that I can instruct the software to do it. Do you doubt that?

mr.ore

Quote from: Gizmotron on April 10, 2011, 04:41:42 AM
Well this won't be console driven.

I'm going to add sequence testing. That will allow comma delimited tests without having to enter each spin one at a time. There's far too much tedium in all this slow testing.

You should not bother with this feature, because if user enter a whole sequence, your software could analyze it and curve fit results. With console you enter number to standard input, and immediately you see a decision on standard output, so no potential cheating is possible. To make your tool credible, you should rather avoid this possibility.

Rather than comma delimited sequence I would recommend one number per line, there are a lot of spins in this format. You might also just use white space as a delimiter, then any space, tab or newline would be delimiter.

mr.ore

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