The Gizmotron Black Box Validator - A sneak peek

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Here you go. Those spins are already on another forum, maybe even somewhere there, I am not sure. They should be live spins from Wiesbaden connected into one large continous file of spins.

How many spins are these? There must be millions of them.

Well I took the first 1024 and ran them in about ten seconds:

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Can you guess why the second group of win losses is shorter than the first group? The "wL's" lists are identical.

[mr.ore]

There are 700000 spins. Those first 1024 are the same as I tested, your results are different now from test with the beta tracker though. Ten seconds for 1024 spins, there must be a lot of computations in your code going

[mr.ore]

Graph is similar, but you improved in the beginning

[gizmotron]

Graph is similar, but you improved in the beginning

I haven't put in a cheese / Spike requirement to quit the session at a 5 to 7 unit win. With these bets that would be 50 to 70. I'll look back at all those lost session to see if I would have won.

[gizmotron]

Ten seconds for 1024 spins, there must be a lot of computations in your code going

19 seconds with the screen refresh after each spin.

With the screen locked it took 44/60 of a second.

[gizmotron]

Dang, I really hate admitting this but I've seen something in the "wL's" lists. It occurred to me that cheese / Spike is correct about flat betting. At least as far as this current state of this sim goes that is. I still haven't done anything about avoiding losses yet. But this is cool. The second run of the same the 1024 spin test above has a lower loss rate and it also reaches the win goal. This might need a new run on those first six sessions from further above. Thanks Cheese.

[gizmotron]

OK, session one reaches the Cheese threshold of 5 to 7:

Code Select Expand

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Session two does not:

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session three does not:

0, 10, -10, 0, -20, -10, -30, -20, -40, -30, -50, -40, -60, -50, -70, -60, -50, -40, -60, -80, -100, -120, -110, -130, -120, -140, -130, -150, -170, -160, -150, -170, -190, -210, -200, -220, -240, -230, -220, -210, -200, -190, -180, -170, -160, -150, -140, -130, -120, -110, -100, -90,

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Session four does not:

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Session five does not:

0, 10, 20, 0, -20, -10, 0, -20, -10, -30, -20, -10, -30, -20, -40, -30, -20, -10, -30, -50, -70, -60, -50, -70, -90, -110, -100, -120, -110, -130, -120, -110, -130, -120, -110, -100, -90, -110, -130, -120, -110, -130, -140, -130, -120, -140, -130, -120, -110, -130, -120, -110, -130, -120, -110, -130, -120, -110, -130, -150,

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Session six does:

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[VKM]

Gizmo,

Session 3:

My first results = (-300)
Your results = (+220)

My Double Check of Session 3:
My Double Check results = (+230)

Could there have been a glitch in my first results?  I think I noticed in the Double Check that the Higher Bet Level
was being used towards the end of the session.  I don't know what causes the Higher Bet Level to kick in.  Is it possible that a mistake on my part or a glitch caused it to not kick in when I originally ran the session spins?



VKM

[gizmotron]

Gizmo,

Session 3:

My first results = (-300)
Your results = (+220)

My Double Check of Session 3:
My Double Check results = (+230)

Could there have been a glitch in my first results?  I think I noticed in the Double Check that the Higher Bet Level
was being used toward the end of the session.  I don't know what causes the Higher Bet Level to kick in.  Is it possible that a mistake on my part or a glitch caused it to not kick in when I originally ran the session spins?
VKM

If you look at the "wL's" list you will see a huge win streak is at the end. All I know is that you got good results the second time. Could it have been a different list of spins?

[gizmotron]

This is interesting. Every example so far has won one unit. The most it ever lost was two units before winning that one unit. A low threshold and flat betting might be a very powerful method with this.

[VKM]

It was for sure the same group of spins.   I'm happy that the mistake has been corrected.  Thanks for pointing it out to me.  The cause of my mistake remains a mystery to me.

I hope that it didn't cause you any problems or extra work.  Thanks again for all of your effort.


VKM


   

[cheese]

A low threshold and flat betting might be a very powerful method with this.

Flat bet and get out when your ahead. Unless you never are ahead. Don't you just hate when that happens?

[gizmotron]

VKM, it was no trouble at all. I built an automated repeat function that works through a list of comma delimited spins that have no empty space.  Like this 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,22,23,24,25 etc...

[gizmotron]

So what if a 1 unit win and a hit and run technique is good enough? What say you?

[cheese]

So what if a 1 unit win and a hit and run technique is good enough? What say you?

Works great. Unless you're never 1 unit ahead. Or have a big drawdown and go into the hole. You have to have a stop limit, if you don't you could lose you whole BR trying to win 1 unit. No matter how good your system, there are always sequences from hell that will wipe you out. Thats why I don't use systems.

[cheese]

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