Okay today I am introducing a strategy I have been running for the last 3 years. It is a grinder and may appeal to 24 number fans. Unlike alot of strategies covering 24 numbers we are not attacking the layout DIRECTLY. By that I mean we don't bet on a dozen or column because of what happened or didn't happen on the other two. THE BALANCE OF FIVE, is concerned with only one thing. And that is a gap that occurs on average 3 times in a 10 game session.
What we are doing with this strategy is betting against that gap. In an average ten game session there will be 7 games that go beyond the 5th spin and on average 3 that hit on the 5th spin. This is powerful data. Even at level stakes the vast majority of the time you would make a profit from a 10 game session. If you have a 7---3 split you would make 1 POINT PROFIT AT LEVEL STAKES. If you have (very common) an 8---2 split. You will make 4 POINTS PROFIT AT LEVEL STAKES. This strategy is a real grinder. But its as safe as they come. You are not risking much in relation to THE ZONE. We opperate with a 3 level staking plan. Normal level is always NUMBER 2. When we enjoy a win, we immediately drop to level 1 to protect those profits. We stay at level one until we experience a loss. Then we jump back to level 2.
If we experience two losses in a row we jump to level 3. After a win its always back to level 1. This strategy is as close to a certainty as you will probably ever see in roulette. Like I say its a grinder. You are laying 2 points to win 1. So its no get rich quick strategy for sure. But AGAIN, its for the PATIENT. A patient user who runs this strategy as I advise IS GAURANTEED PROFIT. You can play as many sessions as you like with this one. And there is no trigger. You jump straight in once a dozen goes four spins no hit.
This strategy came about as a result of over 20,000 recorded 12 game sessions for THE ZONE. It works better in the 10 game frame. And it works well for both dozens and columns. Although again I advise you choose to play one or the other not both at the same time. Below are the seminal rules. And from tomorrow I will begin posting my daily results for this strategy. I think this one will be alot more straight forward and easier to understand than THE ZONE. ANY QUESTIONS ARE MOST WELCOME. Fender...
THE BASIC RULES FOR *THE BALANCE OF 5*
(01) You commence play as soon as you see a dozen sleep for 4 spins. Say its dozen 1. You place 2PTS ON DOZEN 2 AND 2PTS ON DOZEN 3. If the ball hits either of those dozens you have won. And you now drop down to level one stakes for your next qualifier.
(02) THESE ARE YOUR THREE LEVELS OF STAKING AND WHEN TO APPLY THEM---LEVEL 2--2PTS---2PTS--You always begin a session at level two if you are at level 1 following a win and lose a game you jump back to level 2 for the next game. LEVEL 1--1PT---1PT--You always drop to level 1 following a win. The objective is to protect your profits. LEVEL 3--4PTS---4PTS--You raise to this level following two consecutive losses. And remain there until you win. You seldom get more than 2 consecutive fives. If you played a session and did. In your next session you can make back any losses quickly as two sessions with 3 consecutive losses or more has never occured for me in 3 years of play.
(03) YOU ABIDE BY THE 10 GAME FRAME. It is absolutely perfect for this strategy and seldom delivers worse than a 6--4 split. Many times you will enjoy an 8--2 split which assures profit for the session even at level stakes. There will even be the odd occasion where you get a full house and win all 10 games.
(04) YOU CAN PLAY AS MANY 10 GAME SESSIONS AS YOU LIKE IN A DAY. Although I would suggest you aim for about 10 points profit a day until you build a bankroll of 200 points. You also have the option to end a session early. Lets say you win your first 4 games. Thats 5pts profit. That would represent a split of 8--2 for an entire session which is an excellent result. So I would/do end my sessions early if I enjoy a quartet of winners early in the session. Always remember the name of the game is small but consistent profits. Those profits soon add up to a handsome bankroll.
(05) This strategy requires alot less risk than THE ZONE so a bankroll of 100 points will suffice. You can double that in 10 days quite easily.
(06) Be patient, in a month you can treble quad-drupple your starting bankroll very easily. If you win three sessions a day. You will reach a level where you can increase the value of a point very quickly with this Strategy.
What to do if you lost 1, 2 or 3 times on level 3. like here (good for the ZONE but not for this):
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(02) THESE ARE YOUR THREE LEVELS OF STAKING AND WHEN TO APPLY THEM---LEVEL 2--2PTS---2PTS--You always begin a session at level two if you are at level 1 following a win and lose a game you jump back to level 2 for the next game. LEVEL 1--1PT---1PT--You always drop to level 1 following a win. The objective is to protect your profits. LEVEL 3--4PTS---4PTS--You raise to this level following two consecutive losses. And remain there until you win. You seldom get more than 2 consecutive fives. If you played a session and did. In your next session you can make back any losses quickly as two sessions with 3 consecutive losses or more has never occured for me in 3 years of play.
Ok i'm not 100% clear.So following a win you go to level 1 staking at 1 point,if you win again do you stay at level 1 or revert back to level 2?
Ok I'm not 100% clear.>>>
You're not clear? I read it 3 times and don't have a clue what he's talking about. Go to level 4 unless you're at level 3, or level 2 looks better, unless you had level 1 for breakfast. HUH?
SPIKE you should go on the show ARE YOU SMARTER THEn A 5TH GRADER. YOU SEEM LIKE YOUR A GENIUS.AT EVRYTHING PLEASE TEACH me your way.
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SPIKE you should go on the show>>>
So you get this system? Plaease expain it, I don't get any of it.
all he's doing is is 2 units and 2 units if he wins, he's lowering the stake to 1 and 1 if he loses at this stage he goes up to 2 and 2 the third stage stage is if there is two losses in row and he bets that for two wins ,thats how I interpret the stakes.
all he's doing is is 2 units and 2 units if he wins, he's lowering the stake to 1 and 1 if he loses at this stage he goes up to 2 and 2 the third stage stage is if there is two losses in row and he bets that for two wins >>>
And you consider that a good explanation?
Never mind..
OH SORRY lets just flat bet, spike you really should consider go on that show the 5th graders would pick you apart.
G'day,
< OH SORRY lets just flat bet, spike you really should consider go on that show the 5th graders would pick you apart. >
I'm sorry Warrior, you might fail at the 2nd or 3rd grade grammer question. I think it should be,
OH SORRY, lets just flat bet. Spike you really should consider going on that show, the 5th graders would pick you apart.
If I'm wrong could someone please correct me, otherwise back to the subject matter please.
Quote from: MiniBaccarat on May 10, 2010, 08:45:05 PM
G'day,
< OH SORRY lets just flat bet, spike you really should consider go on that show the 5th graders would pick you apart. >
I'm sorry Warrior, you might fail at the 2nd or 3rd grade grammer question. I think it should be,
OH SORRY, lets just flat bet. Spike you really should consider going on that show, the 5th graders would pick you apart.
If I'm wrong could someone please correct me, otherwise back to the subject matter please.
My grammer might be off but I don 't see you posting anything or stratagies worth while ,HERE IS SOME GRAMMER FOR YOU VAFANCULO.
Is it just me or is this a complete contradiction of the ZONE?
The Zone, wait until a dozen has slept for 4 spins then bet THAT dozen to wake up.
The Balance of 5, wait until a dozen has slept for 4 spins then bet it will keep sleeping.
Fender, are you having a laugh mate or do you play this at the same time as the zone, surely if you play them seperatly and they miss you would kick yourself for not playing the other method.
No malice intended, but dude, this looks iffy, my tests so far have failed on BOTH methods.
superman, my thoughts exactly. :lol:
Now that we have Wendel back, VLS is getting nuttier by the day.
Fender,
I like your way of explaining THE ZONE, and your explanation to various questions on the ZONE.
But as far as Superman's question isn't that a genuine one?
Quote from: fender1000 on May 11, 2010, 12:40:56 PM
Superman how are you testing? Please don't tell me its the usual rubbish simulators. This is why I do not acknowledge them. They simply DO NOT MIRROR A LIVE WHEEL WITH A DEALER. They don't! And until you do it the right way you stay in the dark with false doubts about what I am saying. Meanwhile my bankroll grows week by week.
You are like the guy on the internet who swears blind nobody can make a living from playing roulette. Well pity he lives in AmerIca because I am ready to take his a** to school on that one . As I will any doubters on here. If I say it works, IT WORKS. Or I say nothing. Try to digest that before you run your next Simulation. :scratch_ones_head:
Hello fender1000,
Thank you very much for your system. I will try it out at the B&M casino once I finish some testing on my past data. I need to fully understand the system before I proceed.
dozen
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2 win 2 chips
2 do we start tracking from here?
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3 or do we start tracking here after the missing dozen appear?
2 or here after all the dozen appear?
Thanks and Regards
sniper
How isn't this system the fundamental opposite of the zone?
Fender, now your acting like a muppet mate, I did not say how I tested your ZONE fallout method, it's obvious to me how you reached the NEWER ZONE, all the misses form the old one, your chasing random buddy, exactly what everyone else does here, how much you 'say' you have made has no relevence here, I, as others, can see straight away why they fail, accept it, it is true, the only 'other' person who said they made a profit was Stacks, you should go back through all the data you have and try to come up with something a bit more solid, something that will withstand the effects of random. I have never knocked your systems, everything is worth a try.
QuoteNow Joe bloggs comes along and says sorry mate ye strategies tank on me 100,000 spin per minute air vacumm random orbit simulator JIMMY
I didn't challenge you in my post did I? but you feel you need to respond with moans and groans about simulations, and 100,000 spins is far too much for your strategies buddy, they tank in 100 already. If I did run them as a simulation it would be against live wheel data, but it's much quicker to watch them tank live.
QuoteBut as far as Superman's question isn't that a genuine one?
Funny, you overlooked that, don't break a leg getting off that horse mate, it looks high up there!
Quote from: fender1000 on May 11, 2010, 02:44:13 PM
Superman 100? You need to go into more depth about this. Because you are not playing this game properly at all. WHERE WERE YOU TESTING? Start giving some depth here. I have 112 winning sessions in a row with this strategy and you say it cannot even survive 100. You are either playing a rigged casino or have mis-understood the strategy. GO TO LADBROKES LIVE. And tell me it tanks in 100. Thats where I have won 112 sessions in a row. Maybe everyone needs to be testing these strategies EXACTLY WHERE I DO. Where do you think Stackbundles has won?
Fender, always with the same lame-ass excuses, "you've done it wrong" "it's rigged" BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH
You are a shill for Ladbrokes. We all know it.
I asked the same question as superman, which you are trying to squirm out of answering.
How isn't this system the fundamental opposite of the zone?
first test :)
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Hey Fender,
Sorry for being so dense, but if you wait for a dozen to sleep 4 spins then bet on the other two, if you lose do you continue to bet on the same two or do you wait for a qualifier to bet again. In other words is a bet only placed on the 5th spin?
Thanks, GLC
Lets put it this way you have the best of both worlds with these two strategies. >>>
I can see that. After 4 spins you can bet for it to stay awake, or bet for it to stay asleep. The probability of both happening is exactly equal. Quite by accident, Fender has discovered the truth about roulette: All events are equally likely to happen. And the ironoic part is, he didn't even see that Balance of 5 was the polar opposite of the Zone, they cancel each other out!
Quote from: fender1000 on May 11, 2010, 05:05:28 PM
Yes Moles. You do not have to complete a session this is where people lose the plot. The objective is to quit when you have a profit. Could be anything from 1pt to 4pts. They add up. Also this strategy has a markedly better performance on columns. Again before the math heads jump all over that statement. COULD IT BE THE LAYOUT POSSUM? Yes you tend to get less clusters of 5th spin hits on the columns. Its the columns that gave me 112 winning sessions. Dozens are better for the zone and pretty good for THE BALANCE OF 5. But I will favour columns for this strategy they're more volatile which suits it perfectly. :yahoo: :dance1: :yahoo:
Fender,
You listed my question and directed your answer to Moles so I don't know if your answer applies to my question or not so I'll ask it again.
Do you requalify a dozen or column after a bet on the 5th spin whether you win or lose?
If you do, is it possible to play THE ZONE one the dozens and THE BALANCE OF 5 on the columns at the same time? If so, it might make things move along at a quicker pace.
George
As soon as any double has missed 4 times you bet the other 2
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QuoteI would favour the dozens for THE ZONE. And columns for THE BALANCE OF 5. The reason being I think the dozens show more stability. Which suits that need to stay within that boundary of 5----8. Whereas the columns are MORE volatile.
Fender,
A quick FYI... A column contains 12 numbers. A dozen contains 12 numbers. Therefore a column = a dozen.
So why are you telling people that the dozens are more stable than columns? :o
Honestly, do you actually read what you're writing? :sarcastic:
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Quote from: moles40 on May 12, 2010, 03:49:53 AM
As soon as any double has missed 4 times you bet the other 2
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Thanks Moles
George
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Fender and Stackbundles,
I've got news for you...A dozen and column both contain 12 numbers each, consequently they will both hit and miss at the same frequency in the long run within the random game.
It's not working for me. :(
Bayes,
That is the funniest graphic. I coughed up another kidney laughing. I'm going to steal it use it sometime. I love it. :yahoo:
I don't know if I can laugh any more today. :yahoo:
excellent Bayes
>>Fender and Stackbundles,
I've got news for you...A dozen and column both contain 12 numbers each>>>
In your screwy world, Herb, maybe not in theirs. Quit being so close minded. :P
just lost 5 out of 6 games over at jebet :'( :'(
It doesn't matter what system I use,I can never seem to get ahead,at least it wasn't real money.
I don't know how you win so consistently Fender-which casino are you playing at.
I don't know how you win so consistently Fender>>>>
Sure you do. Think about it. Thin real hard...
Give it up Fender. Even stackbundles won't be stacking any bundles with this system. :sarcastic:
Quote from: fender1000 on May 12, 2010, 08:39:50 PM
Yes duh I knows that spike. But do you know that they do not produce the same results for THE BALANCE OF 5. NO SIREE. I know coz I did my homework 11 years of it. :shout:
Magical beliefs. After 11 years all you have are sorry excuses formulated to bring yourself comfort. Superstitions won't substitute that you are saying that all the wheels around the world must be biased to fit your polar opposite roulette systems. Your conclusions are superstitions only. Don't worry though. This is a normal stage of gaining real world experience. Some day you will drop these flimsy excuses. You should congratulate yourself on "attacking the rare pattern" as a system though. Your problem is you don't see that attacking the same pattern must fail eventually. I admit that it's a very rare pattern that kills your zone. It's not a very rare pattern that kills your magical beliefs though. Someday you will be experienced like many of us. Keep up the good work.
If you're going to play this system, get ready by stacking some bundles of arse-paper! :sarcastic:
QuoteYou should congratulate yourself on "attacking the rare pattern" as a system though
Totaly agree, all is not lost Fender just don't get stuck in a rut mate, seems now your the last man standing in the ZONE look for other patterns try to find something that works on ANY wheel, keep at it.
Hi Fender,
I am playing balance of five a different way:
waiting for doz/col to miss 4 times then betting that qualifier ONLY on the next spin (where both a doz and col qualified, I chose the doz only)
So I bet on Spin 5 ONLY
I am using prog: 1,2,3,4 = 10 units.
If I lose I bet 2 units on the next qualifier on Spin 5 only
If I lose I bet 3 units on the next qualifier on Spin 5 only
If I lose I bet 4 units on the next qualifier on Spin 5 only
If progression loses I restart/repeat the progression at the same level: 1,2,3,4
This happens - but you can recover.
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exit points:
1) Lose 3 consecutive progressions - STOP = -30
2) Lose 3 out of 4 progressions at any time STOP
3) When profit target reached
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Not stopping at any target points in my test (I know you wouldn't do that) I won
54 units in 258 spins without reaching an exit point. Not bad.
Test was on real numbers from wiesbaden for yesterday - table 3.
Fender, can you tell me your advice, opinions or feedback on this strategy?
A.
UPDATE: 2nd session played on table 8 : result = -14 (stopped after 3 consecutive losing progressions LLL)
UPDATE: 3rd session played on table 9: result = +15 (target ; in 28 spins - no lost progressions)
UPDATE: 4th session played on table 4: result = +15 (target ; in 35 spins - no lost progressions)
Hi Fender,
Thanks for info.
UPDATE: After my tests using the FIVE variant today on 4 tables at wiesbaden = +70PTS profit (3WON; 1LOST)
Interesting. :smile:
A.
Quote from: fender1000 on May 14, 2010, 02:56:56 PM
I am liking this Atlantis PM me with more details about the opperation of the strategy. This sounds fantastic I want to test it this weekend, :good: :good: :good:
Fender,
Yes. It's worth a trial, I believe. ALL the info for the operation of it is in earlier post, Fender. There's nothing more to add really... I don't wait for any TRIGGERS, just use the *exactly* 4 miss rule. Use both doz and cols - when one qualifies bet for ONE spin (5) only. If win - reset progression. If lose - continue prog on next qualifier whatever it is, doz or col.. If 2 qualifiers take the DOZ. If both qualifiers are DOZ or both COL wait till there is a clear qualifier.
A.
Here is example Fender of what I was doing:
Casino Wiesbaden 13 MAY 2010 - Table 9
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[table=,]
Spin,Number,Type,Bet Unit,Win,Loss,Net,Unit Bal.,Bet Layout
1,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
2,10,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
3,1,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
4,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
5,25,Bet,1,3,-1,2,502,1 : 3rd Dozen **WON
6,24,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
7,24,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
8,3,Bet,1,3,-1,2,504,1 : 1st Dozen **WON
9,4,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,503,1 : Column B
10,14,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,501,2 : 3rd Dozen
11,15,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
12,9,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
13,24,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
14,12,Bet,3,9,-3,6,507,3 : 1st Dozen **WON
15,23,Bet,1,3,-1,2,509,1 : Column B **WON
16,23,No Bet,0,0,0,0,509,
17,28,No Bet,0,0,0,0,509,
18,27,No Bet,0,0,0,0,509,
19,15,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,508,1 : 1st Dozen
20,14,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508,
21,13,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508,
22,24,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508,
23,32,Bet,2,6,-2,4,512,2 : 3rd Dozen **WON
24,31,No Bet,0,0,0,0,512,
25,16,No Bet,0,0,0,0,512,
26,31,No Bet,0,0,0,0,512,
27,19,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,511,1 : Column C
28,20,Bet,2,6,-2,4,515,2 : Column B **WON
[/table]
+15 ; 6 winning games (no lost progressions)
A.
A programmer who once visited these pages confirmed this: You cannot/need not confuse an RNG that is programmed to beat you. Why? The program merely looks at the numbers you did not cover and selects one of them! If you bet 18 numbers, the RNG has 19 selections with which to beat you!
Think about it! You are trying to outsmart a computer who already knows where you've bet and has the power to select any number on the carpet! If I knew where you bet and had the freedom to select any number, I could always beat you, too!
I'm truly amazed at the number of people who cannot seem to grasp this.
Sam
Sam, I have to disagree with you, my reason being, any system tested live/rng OR on RXtreme fails at the same rate, does that mean rxtreme is also programmed to beat us? heck a year ago before I heard about rxtreme I created my own pretend layout using php with its version of rand() and even that beat me, I honestly don't think RNG casion softare is rigged, sure there maybe dodgy ones but any reputable company/casino won't and doesn't need to cheat.
Have you ever noticed when you start playing the first 5, 10 or 15 minutes go well then the wheels start falling off?
Have you also noticed when using rxtreme the initial couple of hundred spins do well with most if nor all methods?
fender1000
Again I will spell your name correctly.
You seem to believe you can judge infinity by a few spins. Trust me, you cannot. You are looking through a tiny window and seeing a tiny picture.
If you won or if you lost any challenge (which you run from) I would be the first to say it is not a fair test and we cannot judge your systems/ideas by it. Why? It can never be large enough to sample infinity! It simply can't be done. Sooner or later, dispersion will come your way and wipe you out.
Please refrain from calling me names.
Sam
Quote from: atlantis on May 14, 2010, 02:54:41 PM
Hi Fender,
Thanks for info.
UPDATE: After my tests using the FIVE variant today on 4 tables at wiesbaden = +70PTS profit (3WON; 1LOST)
Interesting. :smile:
A.
A,
I want to join with Fender in saying that I appreciate all the effort you have been putting into this system. I had been testing only betting the 5th spin with my penthouse progression and was having excellent results, but not good enough to get that excited. This angle of tracking both dozens and columns may be what gives this the extra push it takes for many of us to get serious about using this as a viable betting strategy. It seems to make enough units/spin to justify playing without risking the house.
Still need to be cautious because I'm sure there are some clumps of losers that can cause a pretty serious draw-down, but like you said, looks like it recovers nicely.
I am optimistically pessimistic which is a place I haven't been for a very long time.
Once again thanks. I know it takes a lot of time to type up your results in such readable and usable format. I know that many more members appreciate your work but are just letting a few of us voice it.
Cheers, George
Thanks George, Fender1000.
I am happy you are liking this idea. Let's hope it continues to deliver. 60pts on rng fender :good: :clapping:
This longer session includes 2 losing progressions - but still a profit of +15 was achieved. Note that after the first losing game a PARTIAL recovery was made (using the same prog) to +7. Could have stopped there... After the second loss occurred the recovery was again made and I played on to take +15 total win)
CASINO BERLIN 13 MAY 2010 -Table 2
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[table=,]
Spin,Number,Type,Bet Unit,Win,Loss,Net,Unit Bal.,Bet Layout
1,32,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
2,5,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
3,28,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
4,26,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
5,20,Bet,1,3,-1,2,502,1 : 2nd Dozen **WON
6,5,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
7,7,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
8,24,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
9,35,Bet,1,3,-1,2,504,1 : 3rd Dozen **WON
10,5,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504,
11,31,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504,
12,22,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504,
13,27,Bet,1,3,-1,2,506,1 : Column C **WON
14,31,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
15,17,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,505,1 : 1st Dozen
16,5,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505,
17,0,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505,
18,27,Bet,2,6,-2,4,509,2 : Column C **WON
19,18,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,508,1 : Column A
20,12,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508,
21,13,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,506,2 : Column B
22,8,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
23,24,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,503,3 : 3rd Dozen
24,33,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
25,8,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
26,9,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,499,4 : Column A **LOST (-1 at this point)
27,30,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
28,29,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,498,1 : 2nd Dozen
29,12,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498,
30,20,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498,
31,30,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498,
32,22,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498,
33,1,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498,
34,35,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498,
35,26,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498,
36,0,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,496,2 : Column C
37,17,Bet,3,9,-3,6,502,3 : 2nd Dozen **WON
38,10,Bet,1,3,-1,2,504,1 : 1st Dozen **WON
39,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504,
40,19,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,503,1 : 3rd Dozen
41,31,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
42,5,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
43,1,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
44,20,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
45,31,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
46,28,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
47,31,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
48,2,Bet,2,6,-2,4,507,2 : 1st Dozen **WON
49,3,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,506,1 : 2nd Dozen
50,36,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
51,13,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
52,7,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
53,28,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,504,2 : Column B
54,12,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504,
55,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504,
56,16,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504,
57,1,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504,
58,5,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,501,3 : 3rd Dozen
59,5,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,497,4 : Column C **LOST (-3 at this point)
60,9,No Bet,0,0,0,0,497,
61,19,Bet,1,3,-1,2,499,1 : 2nd Dozen **WON
62,21,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
63,6,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
64,17,Bet,1,3,-1,2,501,1 : Column B **WON
65,12,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
66,24,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,500,1 : Column A
67,12,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
68,16,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
69,20,Bet,2,6,-2,4,504,2 : Column B **WON
70,29,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504,
71,18,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504,
72,17,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,503,1 : 1st Dozen
73,22,Bet,2,6,-2,4,507,2 : Column A **WON
74,29,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507,
75,34,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507,
76,17,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,506,1 : Column C
77,24,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
78,2,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
79,20,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
80,8,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,504,2 : 3rd Dozen
81,12,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504,
82,10,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504,
83,14,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504,
84,13,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504,
85,23,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504,
86,29,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,501,3 : Column C
87,12,Bet,4,12,-4,8,509,4 : 1st Dozen **WON
88,11,No Bet,0,0,0,0,509,
89,2,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,508,1 : Column A
90,12,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,506,2 : 2nd Dozen
91,26,Bet,3,9,-3,6,512,3 : 3rd Dozen **WON
92,28,No Bet,0,0,0,0,512,
93,11,No Bet,0,0,0,0,512,
94,28,No Bet,0,0,0,0,512,
95,1,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,511,1 : Column C
96,3,No Bet,0,0,0,0,511,
97,13,No Bet,0,0,0,0,511,
98,35,Bet,2,6,-2,4,515,2 : Column B **WON
[/table]
Profit +15
14 games WON ; 2 games LOST
Cheers,
A.
Atlantis on the 5 th spin are you betting on the dozen that has missed 4 times in a row,or are you betting on the 2 dozens. I cant seem to work out what it is :blush2:
Hoooooboy, fender1000, you really put me on the spot with this one: "Okay Sam explain this. Why have I been dodging this bullet for over 10 years then?"
I would not stoop so low as to call anyone a liar or question their credibility. But let me tell you a story..........
There was once a fellow on this forum who claimed to be the "Anointed One of Roulette". He led us around for about two years and when people began trying to pin him down, his answer was to just "go with the flow" or "watch what is happening" and tripe like that. I spent probably hundreds of hours studying his method only to find that it was hogwash.
Sure, you could win a lot using a monster progression but then the "run from hell" would come and wipe you out. It always does! It is as sure as sunrise.
fender, I can post you a movie of me winning a goodly sum of money. I can start three days from now, so you won't have to wonder if I faked it. I'll have to use Dublin as it's the only real wheel I can see--being American. I could use this and any other videos to go on E-bay and sell roulette systems. (I don't need money and I don't want to have to worry who rings my doorbell!)
The system will fail! It may rack up thousands of dollars in profit using flat betting and then it will fail. I once walked into a casino in Nevada and won on 32 on the first bet using it. The dealer claimed that she had never seen such.
And it will fail!!
Sam
Quote from: moles40 on May 14, 2010, 05:39:45 PM
Atlantis on the 5 th spin are you betting on the dozen that has missed 4 times in a row,or are you betting on the 2 dozens. I cant seem to work out what it is :blush2:
That's right moles - am betting only on ONE doz or col - so I bet the dozen that missed exactly 4 times in a row for ONE spin only! (5th) and the second dozen duly obliged. I won 2 PTS. Reset progression. The next qualifier is the 3rd Doz on Spin 8 (it has missed exactly 4 times) - so I bet that for 1 unit. It also won on the ( ZONE entry point; 5th) for +2 PTS gain.
A.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on May 14, 2010, 05:44:42 PM
There was once a fellow on this forum who claimed to be the "Anointed One of Roulette".
Sam, your stories always start out great. That was funny.
The system will fail! It may rack up thousands of dollars in profit using flat betting and then it will fail. >>>
Its the freakish nature of random. Its why I can see a certain pattern end the same way 9 out of 10 times in a 6 week period and then see it end another way 9 times out of 10 for the next 6 weeks. That pattern is a micro system and just when you think you've got the Grail, it goes south on you and you're up the creek again. Thats why it takes so long to understand random, its more fickle than a 16 year old girl..
Quoteok, I bet no one in the world can answer me this, if roulette is unbeatable, why are there rigged rnd machines? an honest rng would beat you just like a human dealer would!
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Wow, it should really be a crime to be this stupid.
Quote from: fender1000 on May 14, 2010, 08:08:36 PM
EXACTLY! LETS SEE THE NEGS ANWSER THAT ONE.
Let's see the POS's answer that one.
There are rigged RNGs because human beings are greedy. That is, IF there are rigged RNGs; I have no proof there are.
Imagine this: You are allowed to go down into the ocean and attach gold bars to your belt. Once on, they cannot be taken off!! Hard to get to the gold bars anymore. Too many skeletons!
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fender1000
Your enthusiasm is truly making me want to dust off the old clipboard and start testing your method. I can see the wheel at Riverbelle Live. Is that one good enough?
One last question: Why do you only use dozens? Why not columns or dozens--whichever misses nine times?
I don't mean to be harsh, but so much of what you write just doesn't pass the "smell test"! The dozen/column thing is one of them. Twelve numbers is twelve numbers. No?
Sam
Show me his progression and I can tell you:
1.How many spins he's actually played.
2.How often his scheme will lose.
3.How much you will lose every 1,000 spins where bets are actually placed.
Hi,
When testing the balance of five variant I use rXtreme with the doz/col stats open and consult the "Spins Last Appeared" column to check for a qualifying doz/col (exactly 4 misses)
In image below it is the 3rd dozen:
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Far easier than hand recording and a lot quicker when testing random or imported real casino spins.
A.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on May 14, 2010, 10:27:35 PM
There are rigged RNGs because human beings are greedy. That is, IF there are rigged RNGs; I have no proof there are.
Imagine this: You are allowed to go down into the ocean and attach gold bars to your belt. Once on, they cannot be taken off!! Hard to get to the gold bars anymore. Too many skeletons!
_____________________________________________________________________________________________
fender1000
Your enthusiasm is truly making me want to dust off the old clipboard and start testing your method. I can see the wheel at Riverbelle Live. Is that one good enough?
One last question: Why do you only use dozens? Why not columns or dozens--whichever misses nine times?
I don't mean to be harsh, but so much of what you write just doesn't pass the "smell test"! The dozen/column thing is one of them. Twelve numbers is twelve numbers. No?
SamTWO CAT my vey first post on FENDER I said this guy know's what he's talking about, i read about his method way before he came here,at least he put his methods on the line, more then i can say for some web sights on the internet and other induviduals on here , and i to was sceptical but im not a CYNIC FENDER THANK YOU AGAIN MY FRIEND, IF I LOSE IT'S BECAUSE OF MY GREED NOT MY NEED.
Quote from: fender1000 on May 15, 2010, 06:46:22 AM
Atlantis, I don't know if I am even playing this cross game the way you are. What I do know is I have now played 4 sessions at Ladbrokes premier RNG roulette. And WON THEM ALL. The RNG simply cannot produce long losing streaks on both the columns and DOZENS in the same time/game frame. I think we have found the anwser to beating RNGS over short sessions Atlantis. KUDOS TO YOU. I think the American members of this forum need to know this strategy. I am going to draft it as I have been playing it later today. IT SIMPLY WORKS... :good: :good:
Hi Fender, Good. It will be so very interesting to see your draft as how you have been playing it. You are probably playing it more correctly and *safer* than I am. In this regard I have some more recent actual spin results for you:
CASINO WIESBADEN 14 MAY 2010 - Table 3
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93 spins -9 (3 losing progressions)
+9 before lost first progression then recovered to +11 before lost second progression then recovered to +1 before losing third and final progression.
CASINO WIESBADEN 14 MAY 2010 - Table 4
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86 spins -2 (3 losing progressions)
+14 before lost first progression recovered to +6 before lost second progression then recovered to +8 before losing third and final progression.
CASINO WIESBADEN 14 MAY 2010 - Table 8
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44 spins -20 (3 losing progressions)
+6 before first losing progression; recovered to level before losing second progression -10; lost third progression
CASINO WIESBADEN 14 MAY 2010 - Table 9
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84 spins +15 (2 losing progressions)
+5 before losing first progression recovered to +1 before losing second progression; recovered to end at +15
I'm not too disappointed as this thing is still in early stages - I had been aiming for +15 each session.
You will note in each case a profit was made before a progression loss - and then a recovery was made.
Analyzing these results maybe I need to change the rule to stop after 2 progression losses instead of three?
And possibly aim to be satisfied with a smaller profit gain (play less time) ? Do more virtual play?
Anyhow I think 2 independent sessions of +4 per day is achievable :thumbsup:
A.
Hi Fender and all following this.
These results I posted earlier:
Quote from: atlantis on May 15, 2010, 08:20:02 AM
CASINO WIESBADEN 14 MAY 2010 - Table 3
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93 spins -9 (3 losing progressions)
+9 before lost first progression then recovered to +11 before lost second progression then recovered to +1 before losing third and final progression.
CASINO WIESBADEN 14 MAY 2010 - Table 4
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86 spins -2 (3 losing progressions)
+14 before lost first progression recovered to +6 before lost second progression then recovered to +8 before losing third and final progression.
CASINO WIESBADEN 14 MAY 2010 - Table 8
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44 spins -20 (3 losing progressions)
+6 before first losing progression; recovered to level before losing second progression -10; lost third progression
CASINO WIESBADEN 14 MAY 2010 - Table 9
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84 spins +15 (2 losing progressions)
+5 before losing first progression recovered to +1 before losing second progression; recovered to end at +15
I have replayed those same sessions with slightly different progression and am proud to announce these results:
CASINO WIESBADEN 14 MAY 2010 - Table 3
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+16 in 110 spins. Highest bet 4
CASINO WIESBADEN 14 MAY 2010 - Table 4
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+15 in 73 spins. Highest bet 4
CASINO WIESBADEN 14 MAY 2010 - Table 8
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+16 in 124 spins. Highest bet 6
CASINO WIESBADEN 14 MAY 2010 - Table 9
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+16 in 76 spins. Highest bet 4
TOTAL PROFIT = +63 PTS
Can you guess how I done that? HINT: Answer in my earlier posts...
Because of the high strike rate - this sure now looks the way to go!!
An excited Atlantis. :yahoo: :ok: :dance1:
Quote from: fender1000 on May 15, 2010, 01:08:52 PM
Atlantis you have got this thing down haven't you. I cannot see you tanking as long as you behave yourself and don't rush it. Even the crossplay at Ladbrokes rng is kicking Ass Atlantis. I have now won 9 mimi sessions. It simply cannot deal with cross-bets and dual bets on a dozen and column at the same time. I think we have both come up with something strong over this DOZEN/COLUMN thing. Kudos to you. Wish Scooby was back on here its time he started making some cash with these. :good:
Hi Fender - Here are my full revised instructions.
BALANCE OF FIVE - [atlantis variation]I am playing on single 0 wheel.
Any dozen or column that has missed for EXACTLY 4 spins is a qualifying proposition.
Begin session by waiting for ANY doz/col to miss
exactly 4 times then bet that qualifier ONLY on the NEXT SPIN ONLY. (we want it to HIT after sleeping for 4 consecutive spins)
If it happens that a dozen and a column both qualify, I elect to choose the dozen only. (in agreement with fender's choice)
If 2 different doz's qualify - no bet
If 2 different col's qualify - no bet
You only bet on the qualifying single doz. (or col)
Therefore you NEVER bet more than one dozen or col at ANY TIME.
You only bet the qualifying doz or col for ONE spin ONLY (5th spin; the famous ZONE entry point)
Win or lose you then wait for next qualifier before betting at the next "appropriate" stage of the progression.
(or the first stage of the progression if the progression was reset due to the last win bringing the bank balance to level or ahead of your current highest recorded profit figure)
If you win or are level at any time as set out above, all well and good, simply restart the whole progression from the beginning again ie. the first bet of 1 unit.
A qualifier is a dozen or column that misses for exactly 4 consecutive spins.
Progression String: Labouchere (for Dozens)
1,1,2,2,3,3,4,4,5,5,6,6,7,7,8,8 etc. etc...
IMPORTANT:Whenever you get a winning game - and if you are not at least level with your highest recorded profit - then (and this is the key) drop down 2 stages in the progression to calculate what your next bet is to be
eg: if you won on the second bet of 4 and you are still behind then your next bet will be the second bet of 3. Lose that and your next bet on the next coming qualifier would be the first bet of 4 units.
Just follow the progression string from that point as indicated.
Remember, when you are LEVEL to your current recorded highest total or you reach a NEW highest profit; restart the progression from the start.
If zero occurs on a bet it is counted as a losing bet as normal - just go on to the next bet in the progression.
Aim to win 4 units each SESSION. It is achievable!
You will likely find that your betting pattern will alternate between cols and dozs as you only bet each qualifier ONCE before searching out the next qualifier.
Cheers,
Atlantis.
BOUNCE OF FIVE -
I am playing on single 0 wheel.
Any dozen or column that has missed for EXACTLY 4 spins is a qualifying proposition provide that it has not missed for EXACTLY 6 AND NOT 3..
Begin session by waiting for ANY doz/col to miss exactly 4 times then bet that qualifier ONLY on the NEXT SPIN ONLY, BUT ONLY IF IT'S NOT A FULL MOON. (we want it to HIT after sleeping for 4 consecutive spins)
If it happens that a dozen and a column both qualify, I elect to choose the dozen only. (in agreement with fender's choice)
If 2 different doz's qualify - no bet
If 2 different col's qualify - no bet
If 2 different col's qualify-bet sometimes if it's a full moon.
You only bet on the qualifying single doz. (or col)
Therefore you NEVER bet more than one dozen or col at ANY TIME.
You don't bet on the single doz.
You only bet the qualifying doz or col for ONE spin ONLY (5th spin; the famous ZONE entry point)
Win or lose you then wait for next qualifier before betting at the next "appropriate" stage of the progression. The six spin is not appropriate unless it's a Sat. On Fridays bet on only the 4th spin.
(or the first stage of the progression if the progression was reset due to the last win bringing the bank balance to level or ahead of your current highest recorded profit figure or if you know you're going to win again on the next spin by looking ahead at the data.)
If you win or are level at any time as set out above, all well and good, simply restart the whole progression from the beginning again ie. the first bet of 1 unit. If losing, then go outside and return. This give the wheel time to forget you.
A qualifier is a dozen or column that misses for exactly 4 consecutive spins, but 12 numbers that miss exactly 4 spins don't count, so you must wait for 5 spins. Don't bet after waiting for 5 spins. Wait 3 spins. Don't bet after waiting 9 spins until the 10th spin.
Progression String: Douche (for Dozens)
1,1,2,2,3,3,4,4,5,5,6,6,7,7,8,8 etc. etc...
IMPORTANT:
Whenever you get a winning game - and if you are not at least level with your highest recorded profit -and if it's not a full moon, then (and this is the key) drop down 2 stages in the progression to calculate what your next bet is to be
eg: if you won on the second bet of 4 and the 3rd bet of 5 and you are still behind then your next bet will be the second bet of 3 if you can get more money from someone. Lose that and your next bet on the next coming qualifier would be the first bet of 4 units or the first bet of 6 units but don't bet 5 units unless it's a Thursday.
Just don't follow the progression string from that point as indicated.
Remember, when you are LEVEL to your current recorded highest total or you reach a NEW highest profit then stand up; restart the progression from the start and then set back down until your head is again level with the table.
If zero occurs on a bet it is counted as a winning bet if you can get your chip back or as a loser if you can't, as normal - just go on to the next bet in the progression.
Aim to win 4 units each SESSION. If not then just 3. When you can't reach 3 try for 2. When you can't reach 2 then try for 1. When you can't reach 1, then try not to lose too much or borrow more money because it is achievable!
You will likely find that your betting pattern will alternate between cols and dozs, and zeros as you only bet each qualifier ONCE before searching out the next qualifier. Remember, don't bet columns because they aren't the same as dozs, and don't bet 12 numbers cause they aren't the same as columns. Only bet on columns.
Cheers,
:yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :lol: :lol:
QuoteIMPORTANT:
Whenever you get a winning game - and if you are not at least level with your highest recorded profit -and if it's not a full moon, then (and this is the key) drop down 2 stages in the progression to calculate what your next bet is to be
eg: if you won on the second bet of 4 and the 3rd bet of 5 and you are still behind then your next bet will be the second bet of 3 if you can get more money from someone. Lose that and your next bet on the next coming qualifier would be the first bet of 4 units or the first bet of 6 units but don't bet 5 units unless it's a Thursday.
Just don't follow the progression string from that point as indicated.
Remember, when you are LEVEL to your current recorded highest total or you reach a NEW highest profit then stand up; restart the progression from the start and then set back down until your head is again level with the table.
If zero occurs on a bet it is counted as a winning bet if you can get your chip back or as a loser if you can't, as normal - just go on to the next bet in the progression.
Aim to win 4 units each SESSION. If not then just 3. When you can't reach 3 try for 2. When you can't reach 2 then try for 1. When you can't reach 1, then try not to lose too much or borrow more money because it is achievable!
You will likely find that your betting pattern will alternate between cols and dozs, and zeros as you only bet each qualifier ONCE before searching out the next qualifier. Remember, don't bet columns because they aren't the same as dozs, and don't bet 12 numbers cause they aren't the same as columns. Only bet on columns.
Thanks for the clarification Herb, I was confused before :thumbsup:
Hi Fender,
Well thanks for your comments.. It does look promising - but as you said it's early days yet and as it stands, although I expect it to perform quite well, it is still a bit risky should it encounter some really nasty runs that may cause the progression to spiral quite high... This always can happen and you never know when... It happened before when I tested the ZONE the free and easy way... That is why I pasted the instructions so you could examine them and maybe refine it with some checks and balances just exactly like you did with the ZONE (in your 12 game session and "strict" playing rules) to increase safety and reduce danger if at all possible.
You are the one who can know how this strategy must be tweaked because of your lengthy previous experience, testing and playing records. I am open to any mods and improves that can help make it less riskier and more reliable. So all feedback, suggestions and ideas for doing that are most welcome.
I am excited at the prospect of this idea being developed further with whatever control checks you feel need incorporating to make it more solid.
A.
Quote from: fender1000 on May 15, 2010, 03:58:37 PM
The thing about using both the dozens and columns in conjunction with eachother is, they compliment eachother perfectly. When the Dozens are performing well. The columns usually aren't. And vise versa. Here is the results of a session I played at ladbrokes rng premier earlier to illustrate the point
DOZEN 1=9----COLUMN 2=9
DOZEN 3=7----COLUMN 1=5
DOZEN 3=5----COLUMN 3=11
DOZEN 1=5----COLUMN 2=6
DOZEN 2=5----COLUMN 1=8
DOZEN 2=6----COLUMN 3=8
DOZEN 3=5----COLUMN 2=8
DOZEN 2=6----COLUMN 3=11
DOZEN 3=5----COLUMN 1=8
DOZEN 1=6----COLUMN 1=7----AS YOU CAN SEE THE DOZENS PERFORMED well while the columns not as good yesterday I had a session the reverse of this where the dozens only had 2 hits on the 5th spin and the columns had 5. Using them in conjunction with one another, is the perect way to go. And as I speak I have beaten an RNG 11 times in a row with this. :good: :rtfm: :good:
Hi Fender,
Thanks. I'm glad you're enthusiastic about the cross-play idea. But from that I cannot make out how you are playing the session precisely. Would you mind posting your version of the rules for this latest 2-pronged attack?
I would like to try it your way and see.
A.
It's very fast to program the out of a dozen, a column or both, for any value, for example from zero (repeat) to 10 (where waiting can be maddening).
Once analyzed, it's easy to see that any of the values often have sets of nine and 12 continous failures and 5 to 7 is very normal. I have one with 27 times without going to the fifth (after 4 faults). It's difficult to find the correct progression.
Herb wrote: Remember, when you are LEVEL to your current recorded highest total or you reach a NEW highest profit then stand up; restart the progression from the start and then set back down until your head is again level with the table.>>
Herb, what if the dealer is Asian? When you stand up, if the dealer is Asian you spin around 3 times to counter her evil eye, the sit back down and cross your left leg over your right. Very important.
IF YOU CAN'T GET LEVEL WITH AN ASIAN DEALER
(1) Not only do I bet for the 5th spin win. I bet on recovery too using the 6th an 7th spins for any qualifier that doesn't deliver on the 5th. Using a 2,1,1 staking plan. But when you look ahead at the next spin if it doesn't look like a winner than change to fit the results so that it looks good on paper. Then you can recover on the 8th or 10th spin, but not the 9th spin
(02) I can end a session anytime I have enough points to satisfy me UNLESS I'VE GONE BROKE. Then I borrow money. If the strategy gets off to a great start I can make 8pts in 2 spins or 9 points in 1 spins if you bet all of the dozens. I will bank that and end the session EVERYTIME unless I DON'T. THIS MEANS I WILL WIN AND LOSE AND SOLEY FOR MY RECORDS RECORDS, record the remaining dual 10 game frame MINUS THE 9 SPIN GAME. THIS MEANS I WOULD WIN IF WIN IF I DIDN'T LOSE UNLESS IT'S A SUNDAY. :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :lol:
1) Not only do I bet for the 5th spin win. I bet on recovery too using the 6th an 7th spins for any qualifier that doesn't deliver on the 5th. Using a 2,1,1 staking plan. >>
Herb, you're starting to make sense. That could really work. In the Bizzaro World..
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HEY SPIKE whats your method of play?
Reading past spins and making an educated guess.
Quote from: Spike! on May 15, 2010, 06:15:11 PM
Reading past spins and making an educated guess.
[/quote ] no comprendo
OKAY, I'M FOLLOWING FENDERS ADVICE HERE: :yahoo:
Okay the STREAK continues. I am getting into record breaking territory. Only one winning streak has ever gone beyond 50 in the 110 years I have studied and played this strategy. Today I am 43 straight wins after my only session for the LAST HOUR. Now here's an EYE OPENER. I have been only playing one real session a day for the last few YEARS. AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO. Until I suffer the inneviable loss. Then if I lose I'll pretend that it was actually a win. But had I played a second session last night (played a mock one as if it were my real one. like I do unless I know it's a winner that I can post) I would have lost yesterday. I will never say this again and again. THE LESS YOU BET THE MORE YOU WILL WIN LONGTERM. THE LESS YOU LOSE THE MORE YOU WILL WIN AND THE GOAL IS TO NOT LOSE SO WE CAN WIN.
TUESDAY, SKIP MONDAY CAUSE IT WOULD LOSE. AND SKIP WED, THRUS, AND PLAY SAT, SKIP LAST SAT.
DOZEN 1=11----TRIGGER FOR THE SESSION AND ALSO PART OF THE 12 GAME FRAME
DOZEN 2=6+1PT
DOZEN 3=7---- BET IF THE NEXT SPIN IS A WINNER, OTHERWISE, DON'T BET
DOZEN 1=6----NO BET
DOZEN 2=9----TRIGGER 2 IF DEALER IS SHORT AND YOU'RE LEVEL WITH TABLE ONLY
DOZEN 1=5+2PTS----SESSION ENDED, AM OVER THE MOON TO STILL HAVE AVOIDED A LOSS 3PTS THANKYOU V/M
DOZEN 2=5
DOZEN 3=20
DOZEN 2=7
DOZEN 1=9
DOZEN 3=5
DOZEN 2=8----SESSION COMPLETE WITH 9 WINS--3 LOSSES--AND 3PTS PROFIT PROVIDED THAT WE WOULD HAVE QUIT IF WE WERE WINNING
BALANCE FROM 01/05/2010=104 POINTS PROFIT :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :lol: SMILES MAKE THE SYSTEM LOOK LIKE A WINNER
Looking at past spins, reading what the random is likely to do next, and make an educated guess where to bet.
>>THE LESS YOU BET THE MORE YOU WILL WIN LONGTERM. THE LESS YOU LOSE THE MORE YOU WILL WIN AND THE GOAL IS TO NOT LOSE SO WE CAN WIN.>>>
My god this is good stuff. Here's a pic of your typical 5 player:
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None of you have a winning strategy. To date, none of you have stepped forward to prove you can win with a live test.
I'll be in LV again in early to mid June as well as AC for a while. Let's see which of you system guys have the nerve to show up, step up to the plate, and prove you can win.
Herb6
And you call that a strategy? Thats a lottery.>>
How would you know.
@Fender >>> Can you recommend to me a good method? Ken
MATHS AND ROULETTE. WHAT A JOKE EINSTEIN HAS HAD ON YOU HERBY ALL THESE YEARS.>>
Yeah, Herby, Einstein was a clown with funny hair. Admit that soon all the math books will be chanting 'FenderFenderFender'...
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Quote from: fender1000 on May 15, 2010, 06:49:04 PM
Oh what you afraid of being all on your own Herby? Listen loser, when I am ready I will blow all your worthless thoughts into one worthwhile memory. You will learn that Einstein lied to you. YOU WILL. Then you will cry yourself to sleep that your hero mis-led you all these years. That your mind is infested with useless theories that have no value at all in the real world of random roulette. MATHS AND ROULETTE. WHAT A JOKE EINSTEIN HAS HAD ON YOU HERBY ALL THESE YEARS. :lol: :haha:
Wow, we are going to have to pony up for a statue at the Institute for Advanced Study at Princeton. That would make a fine scene. Imagine that, the Father of Roulette standing over Albert Einstein.
Quote from: fender1000 on May 15, 2010, 07:02:35 PM
I KNOW. Because I tried them all spike. Contrary to what you and the lose think I have been in this game a long time. I have seen it all. Tried just about all of it. THATS WHY. I tell you something works be sure IT DOES. Its just your einstein infested brain that stops you from really seeing it. You are programmed by history you cannot break away and think for yourself. Then you tell me you have it beat with random lottery style bet selections. Pull another one spike.
ewe! It's getting kind of weird around here. Now Spike is infested with Einstein. We need to channel Nikola Tesla.
Old Albert is still going strong!
@Fender >>> Can you recommend to me a good method? Ken
THE ZONE, as good as it gets. IF YOU PLAY IT PROPERLY. CAN YOU thats the question. <<<< I was fu***n with you.
I KNOW. Because I tried them all spike. >>
So thats why you think one street hits more than another, all the 'experience' you have. Why we all don't worship you as a roulette god is a mystery..
FENDER HARD AT WORK THINKING ABOUT THE ZONE
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lol, I never read it. You are so pumped up, you should sell cars. Ken
He's my neighbor. Spike and I are both in The Zone. :girl_wacko:
Is Fender thinking about the 5 or just taking a dump? Hard to tell, they both come from the same place..
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Spike and I are both in The Zone.>>
Ken is one Zone behind me..
"Is that an answer?" >>> My answer?
Quote from: Spike! on May 15, 2010, 06:20:29 PM
Looking at past spins, reading what the random is likely to do next, and make an educated guess where to bet.
that answer sounds just like charlie edward ham bone.
that answer sounds just like charlie edward ham bone.>>>
I expected no less from you. Carry on, then,
Quote from: Spike! on May 15, 2010, 08:07:55 PM
that answer sounds just like charlie edward ham bone.>>>
I expected no less from you. Carry on, then,
indeed i will carry on thats what i do best, i expect nothing from you because you have nothing to offer ,but maybe in the next life you will learn about your self ,because you have nothing to offer anyone.
because you have nothing to offer anyone.>>
And its not for sale, either.. :wizard:
SPIKE MY PHARAOH ,PLEASE FORGIVE ME I DO NOT NO HOW TO PLAY TEACH ME YOUR WAY FOR YOU ARE THE MASTER OF SHIT
PLEASE FORGIVE ME I DO NOT NO HOW TO PLAY TEACH ME YOUR WAY>>>
Sorry, the class is full. Come back next semester..
Quote from: Spike! on May 15, 2010, 08:37:37 PM
PLEASE FORGIVE ME I DO NOT NO HOW TO PLAY TEACH ME YOUR WAY>>>
Sorry, the class is full. Come back next semester..
I will sit like a good student I want to be a shaolin,you stole that picture from us winnipegger's thats our city wave man.
Quote from: fender1000 on May 15, 2010, 03:58:37 PM
Atlantis regarding the zone you were unfortunate to meet a 4loss early on. But remember. You could have gone hundreds of sessions before getting another one. Did you see the analysis Rheti did the other day. 6 4losses out of over 3000 sessions. No I like exactly how you have layed this strategy Atlantis. The thing about using both the dozens and columns in conjunction with eachother is, they compliment eachother perfectly. When the Dozens are performing well. The columns usually aren't. And vise versa. Here is the results of a session I played at ladbrokes rng premier earlier to illustrate the point
DOZEN 1=9----COLUMN 2=9
DOZEN 3=7----COLUMN 1=5
DOZEN 3=5----COLUMN 3=11
DOZEN 1=5----COLUMN 2=6
DOZEN 2=5----COLUMN 1=8
DOZEN 2=6----COLUMN 3=8
DOZEN 3=5----COLUMN 2=8
DOZEN 2=6----COLUMN 3=11
DOZEN 3=5----COLUMN 1=8
DOZEN 1=6----COLUMN 1=7----AS YOU CAN SEE THE DOZENS PERFORMED well while the columns not as good yesterday I had a session the reverse of this where the dozens only had 2 hits on the 5th spin and the columns had 5. Using them in conjunction with one another, is the perect way to go. And as I speak I have beaten an RNG 11 times in a row with this. :good: :rtfm: :good:
Hi Fender.
I just had one amazing game yesterday
Dozen 2 qualified -won +2 points
dozen3 qualified won + 4 points
dozen1 and column 2 both qualified-both won :yahoo:+ 8 points
Column 2 qualified won+10 points
Dozen 3 qualified won +12 points.
QUIT session :shout: :yahoo:
Where is everyone :)
Anyway another session from today
column 3 qualified +2 points
dozen 1 qualified + 4 points
dozen 3 and column 3 qualified another double win :yahoo: + 8 points
lost + 7 points
lost + 6 poinjts
lost +5 points
lost + 4 points
lost +3 points
dozen 2 qualified + 5 points
dozen 3 and column 3 qualified another double :lol: + 9 points
total for 2 session + 21 points.
Fender you play 15pound a profit so that would have been an amazing 315 pound profit for you for less than an hours "work" :yahoo:
However I would not have actually carried on session 2 after that first double came in 8 points profit is more than enough for me.
What is staring me in the face is the fact that maybe the ultimate bet strategy is only bet when both dozens qualify at the same time. You give yourself two chances of winning plus the fact if you hit the double first go you can close out that session straight away.
One thing is for certain we are getting close and closer to the holy grail :lol: :lol: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :good: :good: :dance1: :dance1:
Maybe this system is good, i decide to try many systems from this forum for real money,
but there is no HG,
expect if u meet the alien who can watch one minute in the future :girl_werewolf: !
OMG :o, my english isn't so bad, but sorry man,
you are maestro for confusing.
Could somebody explain me on these spins from my live casino,
where to bet, and with which amount of stake ?
I would be grateful !
26
31
18
32
27
21
4
19
31
35
24
10
25
21
25
6
18
7
34
17
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11
32
5
36
14
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32
5
9
1
19
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30
17
6
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27
27
14
36
28
24
20
9
35
5
5
5
25
36
6
7
22
31
25
3
32
4
22
28
25
15
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17
26
19
3
0
11
17
14
30
3
27
18
36
13
28
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29
16
27
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9
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21
Quote from: fender1000 link=topic=16180. msg108552#msg108552 date=1274110970
There is no hol;y grail Deluxer. There is THE ZONE and is :rtfm:t cousin the CROSS/PLAY 5. Both will make you Profit. That I assure you.
Man, I would appreciate you to heaven, just to lose less on casino, I am don't need to win fortune, just less losing. . .
So please if you have free time, write on these numbers which I posted, what to play in case of zone and in case of balance of 5. . . I have read your systems but I'm not 100% sure with staking
17
5
12
11
32
5
and in this case, after I win on 32, I wait for another 4 or bet now 13-24 dozen ?
Ok, I tried zone, on 154 spins history I was playing few days ago. . . it's like this. . .
So, Fender pleas check out, are my bets correct ?
Spin Number Type Bet Unit Win Loss Net Unit Bal. Bet Layout
0 400
1 26 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
2 31 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
3 18 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
4 32 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
5 27 Bet 1 0 -1 -1 399 1 : 1st Dozen
6 21 Bet 1 0 -1 -1 398 1 : 1st Dozen
7 4 Bet 2 6 -2 4 402 2 : 1st Dozen
8 19 No Bet 0 0 0 0 402
9 31 No Bet 0 0 0 0 402
10 35 No Bet 0 0 0 0 402
11 24 No Bet 0 0 0 0 402
12 10 Bet 1 3 -1 2 404 1 : 1st Dozen
13 25 No Bet 0 0 0 0 404
14 21 No Bet 0 0 0 0 404
15 25 No Bet 0 0 0 0 404
16 6 No Bet 0 0 0 0 404
17 18 No Bet 0 0 0 0 404
18 7 No Bet 0 0 0 0 404
19 34 No Bet 0 0 0 0 404
20 17 No Bet 0 0 0 0 404
21 5 No Bet 0 0 0 0 404
22 13 No Bet 0 0 0 0 404
23 11 No Bet 0 0 0 0 404
24 32 Bet 1 3 -1 2 406 1 : 3rd Dozen
25 5 No Bet 0 0 0 0 406
26 36 No Bet 0 0 0 0 406
27 14 No Bet 0 0 0 0 406
28 16 No Bet 0 0 0 0 406
29 32 No Bet 0 0 0 0 406
30 5 Bet 1 3 -1 2 408 1 : 1st Dozen
31 9 No Bet 0 0 0 0 408
32 1 No Bet 0 0 0 0 408
33 19 No Bet 0 0 0 0 408
34 0 No Bet 0 0 0 0 408
35 30 Bet 1 3 -1 2 410 1 : 3rd Dozen
36 17 No Bet 0 0 0 0 410
37 6 No Bet 0 0 0 0 410
38 26 No Bet 0 0 0 0 410
39 27 No Bet 0 0 0 0 410
40 27 No Bet 0 0 0 0 410
41 14 Bet 1 3 -1 2 412 1 : 2nd Dozen
42 36 No Bet 0 0 0 0 412
43 28 No Bet 0 0 0 0 412
44 24 No Bet 0 0 0 0 412
45 20 No Bet 0 0 0 0 412
46 9 Bet 1 3 -1 2 414 1 : 1st Dozen
47 35 No Bet 0 0 0 0 414
48 5 No Bet 0 0 0 0 414
49 5 No Bet 0 0 0 0 414
50 5 No Bet 0 0 0 0 414
51 25 Bet 1 0 -1 -1 413 1 : 2nd Dozen
52 36 Bet 1 0 -1 -1 412 1 : 2nd Dozen
53 6 Bet 2 0 -2 -2 410 2 : 2nd Dozen
54 7 Bet 3 0 -3 -3 407 3 : 2nd Dozen
55 22 No Bet 0 0 0 0 407
56 31 No Bet 0 0 0 0 407
57 25 No Bet 0 0 0 0 407
58 3 No Bet 0 0 0 0 407
59 32 No Bet 0 0 0 0 407
60 4 Bet 1 0 -1 -1 406 1 : 2nd Dozen
61 22 Bet 1 3 -1 2 408 1 : 2nd Dozen
62 28 No Bet 0 0 0 0 408
63 25 No Bet 0 0 0 0 408
64 15 No Bet 0 0 0 0 408
65 7 No Bet 0 0 0 0 408
66 17 No Bet 0 0 0 0 408
67 26 No Bet 0 0 0 0 408
68 19 No Bet 0 0 0 0 408
69 3 No Bet 0 0 0 0 408
70 0 No Bet 0 0 0 0 408
71 11 No Bet 0 0 0 0 408
72 17 Bet 1 0 -1 -1 407 1 : 3rd Dozen
73 14 Bet 1 0 -1 -1 406 1 : 3rd Dozen
74 30 Bet 2 6 -2 4 410 2 : 3rd Dozen
75 3 No Bet 0 0 0 0 410
76 27 No Bet 0 0 0 0 410
77 18 No Bet 0 0 0 0 410
78 36 No Bet 0 0 0 0 410
79 13 No Bet 0 0 0 0 410
80 28 Bet 1 0 -1 -1 409 1 : 1st Dozen
81 0 Bet 1 0 -1 -1 408 1 : 1st Dozen
82 29 Bet 2 0 -2 -2 406 2 : 1st Dozen
83 29 Bet 3 0 -3 -3 403 3 : 1st Dozen
84 16 No Bet 0 0 0 0 403
85 27 No Bet 0 0 0 0 403
86 0 No Bet 0 0 0 0 403
87 24 No Bet 0 0 0 0 403
88 26 Bet 1 0 -1 -1 402 1 : 1st Dozen
89 28 Bet 1 0 -1 -1 401 1 : 1st Dozen
90 9 Bet 2 6 -2 4 405 2 : 1st Dozen
91 27 No Bet 0 0 0 0 405
92 36 No Bet 0 0 0 0 405
93 21 No Bet 0 0 0 0 405
94 8 No Bet 0 0 0 0 405
95 10 Bet 1 0 -1 -1 404 1 : 2nd Dozen
96 33 Bet 1 0 -1 -1 403 1 : 2nd Dozen
97 18 Bet 2 6 -2 4 407 2 : 2nd Dozen
98 15 No Bet 0 0 0 0 407
99 33 No Bet 0 0 0 0 407
100 21 No Bet 0 0 0 0 407
101 21 No Bet 0 0 0 0 407
102 8 Bet 1 3 -1 2 409 1 : 1st Dozen
103 7 No Bet 0 0 0 0 409
104 10 No Bet 0 0 0 0 409
105 20 No Bet 0 0 0 0 409
106 10 No Bet 0 0 0 0 409
107 2 Bet 1 0 -1 -1 408 1 : 3rd Dozen
108 23 Bet 1 0 -1 -1 407 1 : 3rd Dozen
109 14 Bet 2 0 -2 -2 405 2 : 3rd Dozen
110 13 Bet 3 0 -3 -3 402 3 : 3rd Dozen
111 26 No Bet 0 0 0 0 402
112 25 No Bet 0 0 0 0 402
113 33 No Bet 0 0 0 0 402
114 19 No Bet 0 0 0 0 402
115 31 Bet 1 0 -1 -1 401 1 : 1st Dozen
116 21 Bet 1 0 -1 -1 400 1 : 1st Dozen
117 30 Bet 2 0 -2 -2 398 2 : 1st Dozen
118 17 Bet 3 0 -3 -3 395 3 : 1st Dozen
119 3 No Bet 0 0 0 0 395
120 7 No Bet 0 0 0 0 395
121 16 No Bet 0 0 0 0 395
122 0 No Bet 0 0 0 0 395
123 7 Bet 1 0 -1 -1 394 1 : 3rd Dozen
124 23 Bet 1 0 -1 -1 393 1 : 3rd Dozen
125 35 Bet 2 6 -2 4 397 2 : 3rd Dozen
126 19 No Bet 0 0 0 0 397
127 24 No Bet 0 0 0 0 397
128 8 No Bet 0 0 0 0 397
129 32 No Bet 0 0 0 0 397
130 17 No Bet 0 0 0 0 397
131 19 No Bet 0 0 0 0 397
132 6 No Bet 0 0 0 0 397
133 27 No Bet 0 0 0 0 397
134 33 No Bet 0 0 0 0 397
135 10 No Bet 0 0 0 0 397
136 17 Bet 1 3 -1 2 399 1 : 2nd Dozen
137 20 No Bet 0 0 0 0 399
138 1 No Bet 0 0 0 0 399
139 31 No Bet 0 0 0 0 399
140 25 No Bet 0 0 0 0 399
141 33 No Bet 0 0 0 0 399
142 23 Bet 1 3 -1 2 401 1 : 2nd Dozen
143 6 No Bet 0 0 0 0 401
144 0 No Bet 0 0 0 0 401
145 27 No Bet 0 0 0 0 401
146 33 No Bet 0 0 0 0 401
147 10 Bet 1 0 -1 -1 400 1 : 2nd Dozen
148 1 Bet 1 0 -1 -1 399 1 : 2nd Dozen
149 34 Bet 2 0 -2 -2 397 2 : 2nd Dozen
150 6 Bet 3 0 -3 -3 394 3 : 2nd Dozen
I had 5 loss and 13 wins
-6 after 150 hands, or 3 hours on live casino. . . not so promising but I will try it few times more. . .
EDIT:
For me, this dose not work.
i tried in live casino bet365 for money now . . . . around -30 units :S, after that i quit. . .
Quote from: fender1000 link=topic=16180. msg108656#msg108656 date=1274124018
Listen where did I tell you to live in the casino? You take the profit and LEAVE, after the first two wins thats it asta la vista. GET OUTTA THERE. . As soon as you secure 2--4PTS as a newbie you're GONE. You can come back later for another session or two more sessions with the goal of making 6pts for the day MAX. Also as a newbie you should be using the losing games as triggers. You don't just jump straight in, you ride off the losing games making them work for you not against you. The biggest mistake all losing gamblers make is they play too damn long. Do that and the wheel will nail you. ITS APPLICATION. FOLLOW MY APPICATION TO THE LETTER **YOU WIN**. Ignore it you're on your own. And losing is assured. :nono:
Deluxer I have bumped up the rules for the zone for you too read. THEY ARE THE ESSENTIAL RULES FOR SUCCESS. Any questions ask away. BUT, do not stray from those rules. I forged them from years of analysis. And THEY WORK. So long as you are true to them. WINNING IS ASSURED. :rtfm: :good: :rtfm:
Where is difference ? Am i playing 50 spins or 1000 spins ? Every spin is random ?
Quote from: deluxer on May 17, 2010, 05:27:30 PM
Where is difference ? Am I playing 50 spins or 1000 spins ? Every spin is random ?
Listen to what fender says :rtfm:
I cant stress this enough.As soon as you make 2-4 points plus you QUIT your game.The reason most people lose at the roulette table is because they don't quit whilst ahead.The longer you stay at the wheel the more exposed you are to the house edge.
Anyway another session
column 1 and dozen 2 qualified +1 point
dozen 2 qualified lost 0 point
column 3 qualified + 2 point
dozen 2 qualified +4 point
quit session running total +23 points :yahoo:
Quote from: moles40 on May 17, 2010, 05:46:09 PM
Listen to what fender says :rtfm:
I cant stress this enough.As soon as you make 2-4 points plus you QUIT your game.The reason most people lose at the roulette table is because they don't quit whilst ahead.The longer you stay at the wheel the more exposed you are to the house edge.
Anyway another session
column 1 and dozen 2 qualified +1 point
dozen 2 qualified lost 0 point
column 3 qualified + 2 point
dozen 2 qualified +4 point
quit session running total +23 points :yahoo:
I sad, i will try it few more time for real money, and try to be patient... but, explain me DOZEN 2 QUALIFIED 0 point ? :blink: 1+1+2+3 ? It's sound like loss..
and how you sum this...1+2+4=23 running total ? :blink:
pls, explain me this rule
(01) YOU MUST! Wait for a sleeping dozen to go 9 or more spins before being hit. This is your trigger for the session and also makes up the first game of your 12 game frame.
Ok, I wait 9 time when some dozen dose not appears, and than what ???
(02) You must then wait for a Dozen to go 4 spins without being hit. If there are twin qualifiers you only bet if one of them lost its previous two games.
Wait for another 4 spins, for another dozen or same dozen :S. . . ?
(03)You then proceed to bet on that dozen for three steps using the following progression 1,2,2 I you win on spins 5---7 you then wait for a FRESH TRIGGER before following rule 2 again. If you don't. You Sit out the next qualifier. If its a win you wait for another Trigger game. If its a loss. You have NOW arrived at the magical FOURTH GAME. Your staking for that game will be as follows 4,5,7. Your total risk is 21pts. At two key games in the strategy. I have revised this staking for newbies after a good point from Bombus. You see I am open to good advice.
What you mean as fresh trigger, to wait again 9 spins than 4 spins for another dozen. . . your rules is to confusing for understanding, maybe my language is bad, but I'm not idiot, you write the rules but you miss many thing to mention ???
(04)If the 4TH game wins. You then wait for a fresh trigger. If it loses you also stop at that point and wait for a fresh trigger game. You are aiming to make 5--10 points profit a day. From two sessions like this. Generally. There is rarely more than one multi-game losing streak in a session. Often there are none.
(05)If there isn't a HATRICK OF winners in the first 6 games of the session. You now wait until there are two consecutive winning games and bet for a third win as follows. 3,4,5. The reason your staking is greater for this bet is again its strike rate rivals the 4th game. Meaning you nearly ALWAYS WIN. I have recorded over 200 sessions in a row with a hatrick of wins from game 5-----12. Impressive to say the least. As a newbie this will often be your banker bet. And even if you win before the 12th game your session is OVER once you win the hatrick.
f**k, maybe I'm stupid, but these rules are definitely confusing me :o
So if u pls, translate me this to human, understandable type of english. . .
Quote from: deluxer on May 17, 2010, 07:22:55 PM
I sad, I will try it few more time for real money, and try to be patient... but, explain me DOZEN 2 QUALIFIED 0 point ? :blink: 1+1+2+3 ? It's sound like loss..
and how you sum this...1+2+4=23 running total ? :blink:
Deluxer your getting confused. I'm playing the balance of 5 where you wait for a dozen or column to miss 4 times, and then you bet on that dozen or column just once on the fifth spin.Then you wait until until one column or dozen misses 4 times again then you bet again only on the fifth. spin.
What you are referring to is Fender's "Zone system" their is 138 pages devoted to that :laugh:,your find all the information about it in there :)
Back to the balance of five and a very quick game
Dozen 3 qualified won+ 2 points
column 2 qualified won +4 points
running total +27 points :) :dance1:
Quote from: moles40 on May 18, 2010, 05:43:42 AM
Deluxer your getting confused. I'm playing the balance of 5 where you wait for a dozen or column to miss 4 times, and then you bet on that dozen or column just once on the fifth spin.Then you wait until until one column or dozen misses 4 times again then you bet again only on the fifth. spin.
you bet just once ? and you win so many times ???
Okay i will try that too... but it's sound crazy !
Quote from: deluxer on May 18, 2010, 11:19:35 AM
you bet just once ? and you win so many times ???
Okay I will try that too... but it's sound crazy !
:laugh: You only bet when one of the dozens or columns has missed for 4 spins,then you bet on the 5th spin only,then you wait until one of the dozens or columns has missed for 4 spins again,then you bet on the 5th spin.If both qualify you bet on both column and dozen for the amazing double win and 4 points profit :yahoo:
Yo do this for a maximum of 10 attempts then quit session,have a break and start again :)
So Fender, the conclusion is ???
bet only on 5th spin or bet on 5th-8th spins ?
Hi deluxer,
Moles has answered your question a little further up.
The 5th - 8th spin betting is a feature of the ZONE system rules in the other thread. HOW TO WIN AT ROULETTE - THE ZONE
A.