A GUT-situation tested

[winkel]

Hi TCS,

these are just the rules for KFS.
It doesn´t matter at all if you jump back 1 or 36 numbers or any other length.

KFS has just tested one single crossing. I did always say: This doesn´t make any sense the outcome will be at -2,7%. He proved just this, not anything else of what I´ve said.

It is no proof of G.U.T not working.

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winkel

[winkel]

@winkel:
Everything is clear except which columns to use?
=0 Yes
>0 ? [highlight]makes no sense, because there is only one situation 19 "0" 18 ">1"[/highlight]
=1 Yes
>1 [highlight]Yes, if you are able to see that there is no possibility to bet ">x" falling[/highlight]
=2 Yes
>2 [highlight]Yes, if you are able to see that there is no possibility to bet ">x" falling[/highlight]
=3 [highlight]won´t happen until spin 50[/highlight]
>3 [highlight]won´t happen until spin 50[/highlight]
...

And of course it's math...
You SUBTRACT and ADD to your columns without taking anything but the winning numbers into consideration.
Hence: A math method.
What else could it be?

stochastik is not math. stochastik is just [highlight]using math[/highlight] to express what´s going on.

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winkel

[TwoCatSam]

winkel

Being a person with an open mind and actually liking both you and KFS--I a bit discouraged this morning.

Feel like David with no stone in my sling.

Sam

[winkel]

I will give just one example:

15-15  TOTAL to start bet:          428,308

15-15 HIT at the 1st bet = Exit:    173,881 ==> Math: From 172,675 to 174,602 hits (Ave: 173,638.378 hits, Result = +0.140% from ave)
15-15 Lost the 1st bet:             254,427

-2,7% of 428308 = lost bets 11564,3....
0,14% bets hit more than the average = 173638 * 0,14 / 100 = 243,09

that means if there had been a situation of -2,7% before there have must been an winning streak of 11564+243=11807 bets.

This is the wave I´m riding. this wave is not on every crossing but I don´t have all crossings in a down at the same time. this is proved by this.

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winkel

[Kon-Fu-Sed]

winkel,

I haven't got any idea of what you are talking about.

There was no "winning streak of 11564+243=11807 bets"
At least not in those figures.

The table is really simple to read:
There were 428,308 bets of 15 numbers.
There were 173,881 hits.
Math predicts 172,675 to 174,602 hits.
Math average (15/37 x bets) is 173,638.378 hits.
The found 173,881 hits are 243 hits (0.14%) more than the math average says.
So math average was -0.14% wrong when we used this sample.

The same calculated in units:
428,308 bets x 15u = -6,424,620u
173,881 hits x 36u = +6,259,716u
TOTAL: -164,904u (-2.57%)

Even the +3SD 174,603 hits make a loss of 138,912u (-2.16%)


/KFS

BTW: Your example is from the bet you would NOT make...

[JHM]

Winkel and KFS, keep up the argue. Nice to read, even nicer the respect your showing each other. This will develop way of thinking and playing.

[winkel]

The found 173,881 hits are 243 hits (0.14%) more than the math average says.

Sorry so misunderstood your math.

I will try to find another example of my own statistics. Till than you can see it in the diagrams above, what I tried to argue.

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winkel

[NoBody]

Dear KFS,

Winkel has proven (so far) in the testing area that GUT will remain positive and recover loss with a flat bet in long term...

This is proven so far with proof and result...

I think we will be satisfy if you can prove it otherwise with "results"...

Winkel has given you the rules in reply#12...

bet any crossing <18 numbers
stopp at sesion result >+39
stopp at spin 50 with any result
start with spin 1
restart wtih spin 2
if there are 2 crossings at the same time bet that one with the highest count of numbers (eg. 13 12 12 = bet 13)


If you can test using this rule and prove it is not working...then I am sure everyone will be satisfied!


PS: KFS, big fan of you...love your attitute...just like sam...will beat the roulette soon...

@winkel : So happy and glad that you didn't give up on us....i thought we lost you the other day...we will continue testing the GUT..thanks prof!



"If you think you have the grail share it and PROVE that it is! If others dont think you have it, let them PROVE otherwise!"

"No prove talk only? Uncencored pit you go!" 



NoBody

[TwoCatSam]

Gang

Tonight I played for real fifty-cent pieces.  In spite of a possum throwing the cat's dish on the concrete, the casino shutting down for maintenance, and me just flat betting wrong on one and missing the other, I still won a few dollars.

I think there were seven crossings and it hit six of them

You really learn to watch for silly things like lines being all out of whack!  Then you almost know what to expect.

Practically everything winkel has said, I have seen and can show you some tonight with the video I'll post tomorrow.


Sam

[winkel]

Hi KFS

please add this to the rules.

bet on following crossings
0vs1
1vs2
0vs>1
0vs2
1vs>1
1vs2

This is that you don´t have to bet too early on "2" or ">2"

Thks
winkel

[Kon-Fu-Sed]

Hello winkel,

Thanks for that!

Suppose the "=0", "=1" and ">1" cols show 10-10-10 (if that's even possible but maybe it is, as the number of sessions will be high)
Do we bet "=0" or "=1"? Or maybe skip it...
(Below I say bet the leftmost column - in this case "=0")


So to recapitulate:

Columns to use:
=0 vs =1, >1 or =2
=1 vs >1 or =2

A crossing is:
a) The "=0" or "=1" column is equal to one or more of their respective "vs"-columns
b) The "=0" or "=1" column contains 1 number more than one or more of their respective "vs"-columns

Consider any crossing where the bet is < 18 numbers.

Select the crossing to bet as the one that gives the highest added value
(f ex 13-12-12 bet 13 as 13+12=25 whereas 12+12=24)
if conditions are met by more than two columns.

Select the leftmost column to bet if there are more than one to choose from.

Stop at +40u or better
Do not pass spin #50

OK?

Regarding these:
Start at spin 1
Restart at spin 2

They're not necessary, right?
We plan to simply start a new session when one ends.


Best regards,
KFS

[winkel]

Hi KFS

10-10-10?

you answered yourself

Select the leftmost column to bet if there are more than one to choose from.

as I read two times through it, I have no other comments to it. Everythin is ok.

Regarding these:
Start at spin 1
Restart at spin 2

I put this in to have a clear rule for jumping back, when you have +40 at spin 34.
To collect new starting at spin 35 will do as well. Over that amount of spins it will produce same results.

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winkel

[Kon-Fu-Sed]

Goodie-goodie!



Peter, my programming friend, have received the rules.
As I know he's busy at the moment (as am I - we're in the same team) I don't think there will be any results until after the weekend.

Until then,
KFS

[TwoCatSam]

Well all I can say is.......

"Will there be movies?"

Thank you!  Thank you very much!

[mistarlupo]

Hey, Kon-Fu-Sed!

Are there any news on this? Or I missed something? I'm just curious...
Thank you and good luck.

Regards,
M

[mistarlupo]

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