A test of "Ten Spins to Win System"

[Homeito]

Hello,

I have tested the "Ten Spins to Win System" in this thread:
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/full-systems/inside-number-system-wins-within-ten-spins-not-betting-every-spin/

I used it as I think it was described in the pdf here:
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/downloads/?sa=view;id=354

I progressed the bets when it was necessary to get a profit on a win.


This are the results from one week at Wiesbaden Table #3

Explanation:
"Spins" includes the 20 spins that was kept if it was a roll-back (session ended with a win).
"Max U" shows the max bet on one number.
"Uniq" shows how many numbers was max bet.
"Sess Low" is the session BR after the last bet (and before a win).


January 1, 2009:
[table=,]
Sess,Spins,Bets,MaxU,Uniq,SessLow,SessNet,RunTotal
   1,   49,   1,   1,  17,    -17,     19,     19
   2,   47,   1,   1,  18,    -18,     18,     37
   3,   28,   2,   2,  20,    -58,     14,     51
   4,   31,   3,   6,  24,   -208,      8,     59
   5,   38,   3,   3,  20,    -95,     13,     72
   6,   40,   3,   4,  21,   -140,      4,     76
   7,   72,   4,  10,  22,   -356,      4,     80
   8,   29,   2,   1,  18,    -35,      1,     81
   9,   57,   1,   1,  18,    -18,     18,     99
  10,   27,   1,   1,  17,    -17,     19,    118
  11,   25,   1,   1,  18,    -18,     18,    136
  12,   76,   1,   1,  18,    -18,     18,    154
  13,   22,   1,   1,  17,    -17,     19,    173
  14,   47,   2,   2,  21,    -61,     11,    184
  15,   30,   3,   3,  21,    -98,     10,    194
  16,   23,   1,   1,  19,    -19,     17,    211
  17,   23,   1,   1,  18,    -18,     18,    229
  18,   25,   2,   2,  20,    -58,     14,    243
  19,   27,   1,   1,  17,    -17,     19,    262
  20,   44,   2,   2,  21,    -62,     10,    272
  21,   28,   3,   4,  21,   -140,      4,    276
  22,   40,   2,   2,  20,    -57,     15,    291
  23,   25,   2,   2,  19,    -55,     17,    308
[/table]

January 2, 2009:
[table=,]
Sess,Spins,Bets,MaxU,Uniq,SessLow,SessNet,RunTotal
   1,   29,   2,   2,  21,    -61,     11,     11
   2,   28,   2,   2,  21,    -62,     10,     21
   3,   23,   1,   1,  18,    -18,     18,     39
   4,   40,   1,   1,  18,    -18,     18,     57
   5,   47,   2,   2,  19,    -56,     16,     73
   6,   74,   5,  47,  26,  -1683,      9,     82
   7,   24,   2,   2,  19,    -56,     16,     98
   8,   22,   1,   1,  17,    -17,     19,    117
   9,   41,   1,   1,  17,    -17,     19,    136
  10,   27,   1,   1,  18,    -18,     18,    154
  11,   49,   4,  10,  22,   -356,      4,    158
[/table]

January 3, 2009:
[table=,]
Sess,Spins,Bets,MaxU,Uniq,SessLow,SessNet,RunTotal
   1,   61,   1,   1,  18,    -18,     18,     18
   2,   56,   3,   3,  19,    -92,     16,     34
   3,   46,   1,   1,  21,    -21,     15,     49
   4,   32,   4,   6,  20,   -212,      4,     53
   5,   31,   1,   1,  18,    -18,     18,     71
   6,   34,   4,  25,  26,   -892,      8,     79
   7,   24,   1,   1,  17,    -17,     19,     98
   8,   58,   2,   2,  19,    -56,     16,    114
   9,   24,   1,   1,  18,    -18,     18,    132
  10,   31,   4,   7,  23,   -246,   -246,   -114
  11,   31,   2,   2,  23,    -63,      9,   -105
  12,   27,   3,   4,  21,   -140,      4,   -101
  13,   24,   1,   1,  17,    -17,     19,    -82
[/table]

January 4, 2009:
[table=,]
Sess,Spins,Bets,MaxU,Uniq,SessLow,SessNet,RunTotal
   1,   34,   2,   2,  24,    -69,      3,      3
   2,   22,   1,   1,  17,    -17,     19,     22
   3,   44,   4,  11,  24,   -383,   -383,   -361
   4,   52,   2,   2,  19,    -55,     17,   -344
   5,   27,   1,   1,  20,    -20,     16,   -328
   6,   28,   3,   5,  22,   -166,     14,   -314
   7,   22,   1,   1,  17,    -17,     19,   -295
   8,   32,   1,   1,  17,    -17,     19,   -276
   9,   26,   1,   1,  19,    -19,     17,   -259
  10,   25,   1,   1,  17,    -17,     19,   -240
  11,   32,   2,   2,  24,    -66,      6,   -234
  12,   31,   4,  11,  23,   -393,      3,   -231
  13,   39,   1,   1,  19,    -19,     17,   -214
  14,   23,   1,   1,  18,    -18,     18,   -196
  15,   34,   1,   1,  18,    -18,     18,   -178
[/table]

January 5, 2009:
[table=,]
Sess,Spins,Bets,MaxU,Uniq,SessLow,SessNet,RunTotal
   1,   33,   3,   4,  21,   -142,      2,      2
   2,   31,   3,   5,  24,   -178,      2,      4
   3,   24,   1,   1,  19,    -19,     17,     21
   4,   27,   1,   1,  17,    -17,     19,     40
   5,   65,   2,   2,  22,    -61,     11,     51
   6,   25,   1,   1,  18,    -18,     18,     69
   7,   22,   1,   1,  17,    -17,     19,     88
   8,   95,   3,   6,  24,   -212,      4,     92
   9,   24,   1,   1,  20,    -20,     16,    108
  10,   37,   5,  53,  28,  -1907,      1,    109
  11,   53,   1,   1,  22,    -22,     14,    123
  12,   27,   1,   1,  22,    -22,     14,    137
  13,   25,   1,   1,  20,    -20,     16,    153
  14,   25,   2,   1,  18,    -35,      1,    154
  15,   43,   3,   5,  23,   -173,      7,    161
  16,   24,   2,   2,  19,    -56,     16,    177
  17,   38,   4,  11,  22,   -385,     11,    188
  18,   22,   1,   1,  18,    -18,     18,    206
  19,   28,   3,   3,  20,    -95,     13,    219
[/table]

January 6, 2009:
[table=,]
Sess,Spins,Bets,MaxU,Uniq,SessLow,SessNet,RunTotal
   1,   28,   3,   3,  20,    -95,     13,     13
   2,   26,   1,   1,  20,    -20,     16,     29
   3,   25,   2,   2,  19,    -56,     16,     45
   4,   42,   1,   1,  17,    -17,     19,     64
   5,   31,   4,  11,  23,   -389,      7,     71
   6,   32,   1,   1,  17,    -17,     19,     90
   7,   67,   2,   2,  21,    -61,     11,    101
   8,   85,   1,   1,  17,    -17,     19,    120
   9,   43,   4,  10,  21,   -345,     15,    135
[/table]

January 7, 2009:
[table=,]
Sess,Spins,Bets,MaxU,Uniq,SessLow,SessNet,RunTotal
   1,   22,   1,   1,  18,    -18,     18,     18
   2,   25,   2,   2,  19,    -56,     16,     34
   3,   54,   2,   2,  19,    -55,     17,     51
   4,   26,   3,   4,  20,   -136,      8,     59
   5,   48,   2,   2,  19,    -56,     16,     75
   6,   41,   1,   1,  17,    -17,     19,     94
   7,   30,   2,   2,  19,    -56,     16,    110
   8,   34,   3,   3,  19,    -92,     16,    126
   9,   30,   1,   1,  17,    -17,     19,    145
  10,   24,   1,   1,  18,    -18,     18,    163
  11,   38,   1,   1,  19,    -19,     17,    180
  12,   28,   2,   2,  22,    -63,      9,    189
  13,   75,   1,   1,  17,    -17,     19,    208
  14,   54,   4,  19,  25,   -682,      2,    210
  15,   68,   2,   2,  20,    -57,     15,    225
  16,   23,   1,   1,  18,    -18,     18,    243
  17,   61,   1,   1,  18,    -18,     18,    261
  18,   34,   2,   2,  20,    -58,     14,    275
  19,   33,   2,   3,  27,   -107,      1,    276
  20,   28,   1,   1,  21,    -21,     15,    291
  21,   27,   3,   3,  20,    -95,     13,    304
  22,   42,   2,   1,  18,    -35,      1,    305
  23,   27,   3,   3,  20,    -95,     13,    318
  24,   26,   1,   1,  18,    -18,     18,    336
[/table]

So there was two losing days.
Honestly I am comfortable with it: This system shows at least some "normal" behaviour...



I attach the seven spin-by-spin .txt-files in a zip-file to THIS post and explain them in the NEXT.

I have also made some variations tests and they will also be posted but later.


Best regards,
Homeito Bemek

[Homeito]

Hello,

This is the explanation to the files I attached to the previous post.

The zip-file includes all the seven files from the test.
They are spin by spin including everything...

This is what they look like and how to read them:

This is the start of the first file:

   1   1   1   1
   2   2   4   2
   3   3  34   3
   4   4   9   4
   5   5  22   5

The first column shows the spin-number from start.
The second column shows how many spins we currently use in the system INCLUDING the winning number.
The third column shows the winning number. YES! The very first number for the year IS 1...
The fourth column shows how many different numbers we have.

Further down:

  16  16  13  14
  17  17   4  14
  18  18  36  14
  19  19  10  15
  20  20  30  16
  21  20  19  16
  22  20  10  16
  23  20   2  16

At spin 20 (col 1) we are using 20 spins (col 2) INCLUDING number 30 that won (col 3) and we have 16 different numbers (col 4)
16 numbers is not enough to look for a trigger so we keep recording.
As you can see in column 2 it does not change after spin 20 because we are still only using 20 spins as we do not have 17 different yet.

Yet further down:

  46  20   8  16
  47  20  19  17
    Waiting for the trigger...
  48  21   8  17  Bet:  2  4  7  8 12 13 15 17 18 19 23 25 27 30 32 34 35:  17 x 1 = 17  : BR = -17
  49  22  18      Win. Session BR = 19 units

At spin 47 we still use 20 spins and number 19 wins.
This makes the different numbers to be 17 and that is enough to look for the trigger.
At spin 48 we use 21 spins (col 2) - INCLUDING the winning number - because we are not recording but waiting and we shall use all the 20 plus the new ones.
And number 8 wins and it is a repeater and so we shall bet.
Number 18 wins at spin 49 and we bet that one so we win.

Because it was a win we make a roll-back and keep the last 20 spins.
This is the next session:

  17  17   8  15
  18  18  19  16
  19  19   8  16
  20  20  18  16

Compare the winning numbers (col 3) to the four last winning numbers above.


Best regards,
Homeito Bemek

[simon]

Honestly I am comfortable with it: This system shows at least some "normal" behaviour...

........ I'm not sure what that means but no-one would be comfortable being down 1683 to net 9, or being down 892 to net 8, or being down 1907 to net 1, or being down 682 to net 2.  Where is the stop loss and what would these results look like if a stop loss was utilized?  I think the results would look pretty bad, I'm afraid.... (this is why I don't believe in progressing bets...)  damn this devil's wheel!!!

[winkel]

Hi Homeito,

do you know that most BM-Casinos have a Limit of "25 units of min betsize" on a single number!

br
winkel

[Homeito]

Hello,

Simon...

Where is the stop loss and what would these results look like if a stop loss was utilized?

What stop-loss? This test was a test of the original rules as I wrote in the beginning of the first post.
I did not find that the rules in the pdf say anything about a stop-loss...
So I did not use one.

However there is a bet-calculator posted to use with the system.
I suspect that if you use a calculator you progress bets.
So I progressed the bets.

Also I do not feel comfortable with risking 2000 to win 1. Read again.
I said that I feel comfortable with that it loses at times.
Quite opposite to what it looks like in my previous tests and the other tests posted in the thread.
I think it is hard to believe that a system like this never loses so when it does I know that I at least did not make any mistakes in the program.

That is comforting.


Winkel...

do you know that most BM-Casinos have a Limit of "25 units of min betsize" on a single number!

In the casinos in Sweden there is this rule: Minimum total bet inside is SEK20 (€2).
But you may make two inside bets of SEK10 each.
And the maximum inside bet on one number is SEK500
So the 47 unit bet is "safe"...

But the 53 is not 



All...

This test was more to give a good spread of results when I used the original rules than to see if it can win.
Obviously there must be some kind of stop so 53 units are not bet on 28 numbers and all sorts of such things.

I hoped that this test can be showing things like that.
And it did in my opinion. At least some.
Like that it can be necessary to bet 53 units on 28 numbers...


Best regards,
Homeito Bemek

[simon]

Homeito, I don't know how much time you have for testing and such, but are you able to show what the results would have been, or test this to see how it would make out if you were only to make up to two flat bets (stop on first win and start again, or if first bet doesn't win, make one more bet.)  It seems like the system wins a lot on the first or second bet, maybe enough to outweigh the losses.  Or can this already be seen in your results?

[simon]

actually I guess you can see this in your text files.

[Homeito]

Hello,

Simon...

Yes it is of course possible to see in the files as they show every bet.
But the end result will be different than if you do it the "proper" way because you terminate some sessions in advance and so the beginning of the next session is different from the session in the file.

But I HAVE also made such a test and will post it later.
There is no time to look through it right now and I want to see that there is no mistakes...


Best regards,
Homeito Bemek

[celiza427]

Just throwing this out there but...I don't think it's possible to get down -1000+ units.  If you lose 3 times and you get to 31 spins you are supposed to stop and start all over tracking the last 20, waiting for 17 or more uniques, then waiting for your trigger and rebetting.  You can either start your progression from where you left off (which then I can see getting down a lot if you do happen to have a long losing streak) but in the PDF I believe RJ recommends starting your bet over with 1 unit per #.  That way if you do happen to reach 31 spins and lose 3 or 4 bets, you take the loss and strive to win it back with several more winning bets.

Correct me if I'm wrong but that's how I've thought to play it, I just have not lost yet in order to take these steps.

[simon]

great, looking forward to it...

[Homeito]

Hello,

Celiza...

...I don't think it's possible to get down -1000+ units.  If you lose 3 times and you get to 31 spins you are supposed to stop and start all over

...and...

...if you do happen to reach 31 spins and lose 3 or 4 bets, you take the loss

Let us see what the pdf says:

If you have bet 3 TIMES OR LESS by the time you have gotten to spin 31 you follow the system all the way to spin 37.

...and...

If you have bet 4 TIMES OR MORE and you get to spin 31, you start the whole system over (including your bet amounts...everything starts over)

... so it is not quite as you write I think.

And this is session 10 from 20090105:

  17  17   5  15
  18  18  25  16
  19  19  33  17
  20  20  22  17
  20  20  22  17
    Waiting for the trigger...
  21  21  25  17  Bet:  1  2  4  5  9 11 13 15 17 20 22 24 25 26 27 33 36:  17 x 1 = 17  : BR = -17
  22  22  29  18
  23  23  32  19
  24  24  25  19  Bet:  1  2  4  5  9 11 13 15 17 20 22 24 25 26 27 29 32 33 36:  19 x 2 = 38  : BR = -55
  25  25   8  20
  26  26  25  20  Bet:  1  2  4  5  8  9 11 13 15 17 20 22 24 25 26 27 29 32 33 36:  20 x 4 = 80  : BR = -135
  27  27  30  21
  28  28  10  22
  29  29   7  23
  30  30  19  24
  31  31   2

As you can see we reach spin 31 and we have bet "THREE TIMES OR LESS" so we continue up to spin 37.
The "2" that won on spin 31 is a repeater so we bet:

  31  31   2  24  Bet:  1  2  4  5  7  8  9 10 11 13 15 17 19 20 22 24 25 26 27 29 30 32 33 36:  24 x 12 = 288  : BR = -423
  32  32   3  25

But number 3 wins at spin 32 and it was not bet. Continue...

  33  33  23  26
  34  34  35  27
  35  35  31  28
  36  36   4  28  Bet:  1  2  3  4  5  7  8  9 10 11 13 15 17 19 20 22 23 24 25 26 27 29 30 31 32 33 35 36:  28 x 53 = 1484  : BR = -1907

The next repeater wins at spin 36 ("4") and we bet the 28 numbers we have seen.
So a loss of 1907 units is quite possible (9/37 here) if we follow the rules (and progress for a profit).


Best regards,
Homeito Bemek

[simon]

sorry to ask dumb questions but what does "BR" stand for?  Does it stand for "Bank Roll"?

[simon]

So a loss of 1907 units is quite possible

.......... no 6 are you gloating?

[rss]

sorry to ask dumb questions but what does "BR" stand for?  Does it stand for "Bank Roll"?

yes

[simon]

hmmm, I don't know if 6 is gloating and Robert is drinking, but I think I heard the Devil laughing.  But, there may be a way out of this with flat bets, limited bets, limited progressions, or maybe something was not done quite right.  we shall await Robert's comments and/or corrections to the results...  say it ain't so, Robert...

[simon]

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