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Most people believe that Roulette is a negative expectation game. But is the game always in a state of negative expectation? Does it pass through moments when it is in a positive state? What I know about randomness tells me that it constantly changes in and out of negative expectation and positive expectation. It even has extremes of these conditions that can either be avoided or intentionally sought after. I know how to find the moments of positive expectation. I can teach others to find them too. It takes more than that though. It takes a lot of self control to beat the game of Roulette. The casinos make that difficult but not impossible.

If you want to just go to the casino and win all day long then this is not for you. If you want to make a living from playing Roulette then you need to know what a professional player knows.

Win with this Professional Roulette Playing Method

Do you know this?

How much you should attempt to win.
The difference between a good opportunity and a bad one.
The difference between playing for fun and playing as a professional.
How to practice at home so that you are prepared to win.
What not to do ever and why.
Why most players leave as losers.
What the secrets are to being a professional.
What to expect every time you make a bet.
How to get out of the casino with your winnings, every time.
What does not work.

Not only will you learn all these things but you will be able to make use of it all while you are at your casino. You will receive personal training and mentoring from a successful professional player that has been forced into retirement for health reasons. I don't have the energy to go out to the casino these days. I've discussed these concepts extensively on several internet forums. This is not a system to learn ballistics, a computer to make ball landing predictions, or any lame rule based system where you wait for triggers or follow progressions. It's based on taking advantage of circumstantial coincidences in randomness. Opportunities come and go constantly while playing Roulette. I will teach you how to how to achieve your goal.

The difference here is that you will get personal instructions from me until you become proficient at it. I will use the internet, e-mail, phone conversations, and some software to teach you what I developed to perfect my expertise and to keep my edge sharp. You will learn to play the way I did and to leave the casino with your winnings, if you want to. There are a few secrets that make up the difference between an experienced player that wins and the recreational player that always tends to lose.

I've been playing Roulette for more than 35 years. I have learned to rule out what does not work and use what does work. Every session of Roulette is a unique experience and needs an expertise in order to adjust to what is currently happening. I will teach you how to make that adjustment.

This offer is being made at an unbelievable price of $1000 for one reason. You will be my first costumers. Because of that I'm willing to go way out of my way to teach you everything needed. You will become the template for further teaching and mentoring as well as establishing a fair price that protects the value of what I'm offering. I don't know what others offer. All I know is that you must become aware of conditions and know how to exploit them from spin to spin. You must know what it takes to win. You must learn how to leave once you have reached your goal. If you want to play like a pro you must act like a pro.

You will receive my software to help you get the experience you need to play like a pro. You will also get my preferred playing strategy in order to make an income that is reasonable. You will be able to play under the radar of the casino pit bosses and be able to keep doing it for years to come. It takes a strategical method to win constantly. It takes the attitude of the hunter. It takes patience, self control, and deliberate tactics to achieve your goal and to leave with your well deserved and hard earned winnings. I've spent decades perfecting the simplicity of this method. It has cost me thousands and thousands to perfect it. Not to mention years to weed it out and simplify it.

If the going rate for real professional training is $2,000 then that will soon be the price. It just depends on how far and how fast students evolve from the training. The point is to keep with it until you have it. I plan on taking five costumers at a time. I want to control the amount of time spent with each new student. I prefer to start with students that have at least a basic knowledge of how to go into a casino and place bets at a real casino. You should at least know how to do that.

Thanks, I'll be waiting for my next student. Every time you see this item I will be seeking a few new students. I will take it down each time I have the five new students. I'll also raise the price at some point.

You a systemseller Giz???

Quote"You a systemseller Giz???"

I am today and until I have 5 students from here and 5 students from GG. After that I'm done discussing Roulette, randomness, and secret techniques. Not only that I'm only charging $1,000. That's to get 5 serious students that will go on to be my proof. It will be up to them to keep it a secret. It will also be up to them to do a massive amount of hard work. I'm tired of arguing with people that have nothing but unearned opinions. The money will provide me with discussions worth something to everyone involved.

G'day Gizmo,

Good on you!!!

Glenn.

I thought you were a programmer and made bots...

Didn't Spike do the same at GG? Screams SCAM to me. I bet your students will keep it secret and I bet no one will know (conveniently) who those students are.

Don't get your panties in a bunch though. Just my opinion.

It all seems a bit vague to me. I'd like to see some hard facts such as bankroll required, maximum drawdown you can expect, average winnings per session, average number of spins per session. What is meant by an income that is "reasonable"?

The whole concept of "educated guessing" (which presumably Gizmo's approach is a form of) is  contradictory. If you know that "opportunities" exist and can identify which conditions are favourable and which aren't, then there is no "guessing" involved at all. If you're guessing, you're simply betting randomly and in hope. Either some conditions are favourable or none are. If some are, then you simple make your selections at the appropriate times and you will make money in the long term. If none are then you're relying on luck and the result is a foregone conclusion. Educated guessing can only mean something when you're not dealing with random events. Every strategy is mechanical, to suggest otherwise is simply smoke and mirrors.

QuoteEvery strategy is mechanical

Totally agree, when people say they rely on gut etc, there is still mechanics at work, eg; if this happens do that OR when this is happening wait until something else happens, gut can only rely on whats just happened, not look into the future.

Hehe! :sarcastic:

Giz showed his real face!

U were smelling SCAM all these years from far away!

G'day,

Quote from: Jean-Claud on July 26, 2010, 05:43:38 AM
U were smelling SCAM all these years from far away!

What scam??
He's said straight out what he's offering,
for how much he wants.

IF YOU buy his services & follow his instructions & it doesn't work,
well maybe scam, until then you should use the word 'suspect'!!

A number of 'us' already laugh at you due to your ignorant comments about mechanical progression systems!!

Glenn.

Hint: A month or two ago, Gizmotron posted one of his 'professional' methods on other board, for free. I won't say anything else, but I'm not buying this one.

So the price has come down from $2m to $1000?   :lol:

IF YOU buy his services & follow his instructions & it doesn't work,
well maybe scam, until then you should use the word 'suspect'!!

U are SO NEW in the Roulette world!

Noone woould ever sell a winning method....all the money that he would need would be comming from the method itself!

I really can t understand how some ppl are so SLOW,IDIOTS,RETARDER,MONGOLIAN!

Gizmotron I have a very intresting proposition for u!

U know who I am and all here know who I am...U also (as the others know) that I think that u are 100% SCAM!

So If u are telling truth...and If u like sell ur method to A LOTTTTT of ppl...I would sugest u this:

Send me ur method for free...I will test it in several spins.And If it will turn out that u INDEED have a winning method,then I will post a GREAT post (in a seperate Topic in here and in other Roulette forums) telling that I am sorry that I was doubting U all these years and that U have INDEED a Winning method and U weren t posting BS all these years!
So If ME,that I am so negative in ur words will confirm that U INDEED have a winning method then there is No reason for all the intrested but scared ppl NOT to buy it!!!

so Ur selling will hit the ROOF!

its ur call! :)

ps.I am smart enough NEVER to expose a winning method....reasons? I need to make MILLIONS for my self!
and If i would exposed it...The casinos would close Roulette....


All these...IF u have a winning way...whitch I strongly doubt !

Prediction: U will not accept this offer because U INDEED have a SCAM method...and If u don t accept my offer then u are doing BAD to ur  sellings ;)

All I see is skepticism and fear. So none of you can afford to lose $1000. I thought so. Some of you want free instructions where you promise to brown nose and shill if the method works. I don't think I need your endorsement. And the price going down from $2 million to $1000. I just wanted to see where the brain trust for VLS and GG are really positioned. Till now I have answered every inquiry over the years in the PM section. I never once asked for compensation. The $1000 is for dealing out the  skeptics and the chickens. I only want students that are willing to earn their own self respect. So far there are only people that have excuses. It's just a hunch but I almost expected there would be people that want it all for free. It remains to be seen how many want it for free. It makes a fine epitaph for this forum if none apply. What's the worst that can happen to you. That I'll laugh at you for making a sucker out of you. I do that anyway. This just illustrates it perfectly.

OK...ur reply confirmed 100% that  u are a true SCAM!

Listen how it goes with scams...because I have observed a lot of their business from time to time.

U will sell this scam method in 1 person(If u are lucky and u will find someone so idiot!...but don t worry there are pleanty of them)
Then this person will be very desapointed and angree with u that he will expose the scam method in every Roulette site he can!To revenge U...

so the only money that u will make will be 1000$.

Then after a wile u will be posting in every forum again with an other name because u will be the black ship that sold a scam method and stole money from a poor IDIOT!

Yeah right.......... blah blah blah blah blah........... You have absolutely nothing more than what's already on this forum of which we know 99% is crap anyway. All the failures go from testing and crating systems to selling scams. Same pattern over and over again. You and Spike have been promoting for a nice period of time so I suppose you thought it the right time to start selling...........Blooooop! I guess the members here weren't as stupid as you hoped for. Give you $1000 yeah right.....and now of course you have this second line of defense the very well known so-called "I-only -charged-$1000-to-see-who-would-qualify" type of thing...........PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!  :lol:

Get real, Gizmo.

I doubt you'll find 10 students even if you make it for free.

More excuses. All you want is free tutoring and you want the step by step instructions. So far all you have is made up opinion as to why I'm selling this at this time. It begs to know why you are here. If I sell 10 of these and spend hundreds of hours working with the students I might make a few bucks. But you want it all for free. Even worse than that you want to be a protector of people. But you can't explain what it is that I do and just why it is claimed to be effective. You are just grasping at straws. You are saying that I'm just exactly the same as all these past scammers.  I've already defended my position and claims. I went as far as I could without giving it away for free. And yes, I have held back cryptically. You want it for free? Go decipher what I suggested as advice and apply it properly. Technically it's all there. It's just not assembled and packaged for recognition.

Quote from: Gizmotron on July 26, 2010, 11:38:17 AM
So far all you have is made up opinion as to why I'm selling this at this time.

I don't think it's made up. It's obvious you need money, otherwise why bother teaching it to anyone. At one time you were adamant that you'd take your secrets to the grave. Suddenly you're pulling a U-ey. 

Quote from: Jakkalsdraai on July 26, 2010, 11:25:54 AM
Give you $1000 yeah right.....and now of course you have this second line of defense the very well known so-called "I-only -charged-$1000-to-see-who-would-qualify" type of thing...........PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!  :lol:

You really have shown your expertise. The $1000 was explained. It was not your fantasy-world excuse either. All I see are chickens here. I should have bet on it. What a fantastic laugh. All these years you wanted proof. I finally break down and sincerely offer it and you all run scared. I'm willing to work with you until you have it. This is the best thread I ever won in. Your opinions are worthless. Nobody wants your expertise, even if it were free. Gutless excuses for chickens. I probably won't have to teach anyone.

Hahahahaha ............ you want to talk about chickens? That's rich coming from you bro. I distinctly remember YOUR challenge. The one that you and Spike would of been part in. The one that I said I couldn't wait for and the same one that I took part in...................AND the same one neither you or Spike showed!  :lol: You and Spike are chickens and that is just that. I will always be available for a challenge if you like. Unlike you and Spike.

Funny you to label people as 'chickens'. Got the irony (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/general-board/are-spike-and-gizmotron-cowards/)?

Quote from: Gizmotron on July 26, 2010, 11:58:46 AMAll these years you wanted proof. I finally break down and sincerely offer it and you all run scared.

You should have done some presentation, like that challenge. Now you're just another 'scammer'.

Quote from: Gizmotron on July 26, 2010, 11:58:46 AMI probably won't have to teach anyone.

Of course you won't. It's not about the money, people just do not believe your stories anymore.

Quote from: Number Six on July 26, 2010, 11:50:15 AM
I don't think it's made up. It's obvious you need money, otherwise why bother teaching it to anyone. At one time you were adamant that you'd take your secrets to the grave. Suddenly you're pulling a U-ey. 

I refuse to give it away for free. I could publish a book and make about $1000 some day. I just knew I would have a lot of fun training 5 to 10 people. I want to watch them go off into casinos and make it pay like an ATM machine. It's skeptics like you that need to be put in your place. The world is not as flat as you make it out to be. It's time to get what I've earned from all this. I've earned the right to show you up as a past thinker. If I deliver 10 players that can do this then your foundation for opinion all shatters into scraps. I've invested three years discussing this. I've seen what closed minded thinkers have to say. Privately I have never had a problem explaining this to non players. They get it right away. They just lack so much experience that they can't implement it in their own lives. It takes a person that has tried and failed. A person that has playing experience. The only place to find that is at a forum like this.

Gizmo, I think you need to work on your sales pitch. Remember, the customer is always right.  ;D

Anyhow I'm not going to sit and wait for you to reply. I'll catch it tomorrow and see what other nonsence you've written.

You know Gizzy, you starting to sound like Dyksexlic .........  :lol:

Nono..he started be Chales! hahahhah!
I must admit that Charles had a better plan....but he ruined it after I exposed him...hahaha!

Quote from: mistarlupo on July 26, 2010, 12:07:33 PM
Funny you to label people as 'chickens'. Got the irony (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/general-board/are-spike-and-gizmotron-cowards/)?

You should have done some presentation, like that challenge. Now you're just another 'scammer'.

Of course you won't. It's not about the money, people just do not believe your stories anymore.

I'm not going to do a demonstration. All you want is a free lesson. That challenge thing would not prove anything. And if you don't know why I truly am sorry for you. I'll bet there is not one person here that wants this mentoring. If anyone does have the opportunity be assured of this. The math Nazis will hate you for it. That's the free lesson.

Quote from: Bayes on July 26, 2010, 12:08:47 PM
Gizmo, I think you need to work on your sales pitch. Remember, the customer is always right.  ;D

I don't want customers. I want students that are not full cups.

It looks like the chickens have come home to roost.

Quote from: Gizmotron on July 26, 2010, 12:07:55 PM
It's time to get what I've earned from all this. I've earned the right to show you up as a past thinker.

So, because you've been keeping up this pathological hoax for five years, suddenly you think you're entitled a cash injection of a paltry $10,000 from a bunch of desperados - a sum of money you could easily win yourself in a day for five hundred times less the effort? Gizmo, sincerely, I wish you luck in showing us all up to be "past thinkers". I am quaking in my boots. Is this gonna be another "I made WORLD HISTORY on VLS!" moment?

I feel sorry for you, because people (including me) used to respect you and listen to you. Now you're just one old lonely system seller.

Quote from: mistarlupo on July 26, 2010, 12:18:45 PM
I feel sorry for you, because people (including me) used to respect you and listen to you. Now you're just one old lonely system seller.

If you believe that then I have some swamp land to sell you. You never respected me. You have always treated this a gambler's fallacy. Pull somebody else's leg, CHICKEN.

I may donate $1K though. But I don't want your system. It's for you to buy medicines. I'm worried about your mental health.

Quote from: Number Six on July 26, 2010, 12:15:19 PM
So, because you've been keeping up this pathological hoax for five years, suddenly you think you're entitled a cash injection of a paltry $10,000 from a bunch of desperados - a sum of money you could easily win yourself in a day for five hundred times less the effort? Gizmo, sincerely, I wish you luck in showing us all up to be "past thinkers". I am quaking in my boots. Is this gonna be another "I made WORLD HISTORY on VLS!" moment?

It's an interesting idea. I could freely teach the world how to beat randomness. Then you would be nothing but a blathering jackanapes. You titanic fool. I want the $1000 so that the student will take the teaching seriously. You are a perfect illustration of why I did that.

Quote from: Gizmotron on July 26, 2010, 12:29:50 PM
It's an interesting idea. I could freely teach the world how to beat randomness. Then you would be nothing but a blathering jackanapes. You titanic fool. I want the $1000 so that the student will take the teaching seriously. You are a perfect illustration of why I did that.

Of course, Gizmo. We all know that you've turned into a seller because you don't need the money  :)

Try getting a job, the pay probably won't be as good but at least it's more honourable than turning to petty criminality.  For example, don't supermarkets employ old guys to push trolleys around?

Quote from: mistarlupo on July 26, 2010, 12:27:45 PM
I may donate $1K though. But I don't want your system. It's for you to buy medicines. I'm worried about your mental health.

Don't bother. I've turned away others already. I would just give you your money back. There is no way I want one of you math Nazis messing up the classroom.

Quote from: Gizmotron on July 26, 2010, 12:13:43 PM
I don't want customers. I want students that are not full cups.

The problem is this: If you're not selling a system (ie; a bunch of triggers), then you must be teaching your students some principles whereby they can win "on their own" as it were. Correct?

What principles apply to a random game when the only thing you take into account as a basis for the next bet or series of bets is past spins? all your principles must be fallacies.

All the wisdom you wish to impart has been freely available for many years, why would anyone want to spend $1000 when they can get it all for nothing? what is your USP (unique selling point)?

Quote from: Gizmotron on July 26, 2010, 12:29:50 PM
It's an interesting idea. I could freely teach the world how to beat randomness. Then you would be nothing but a blathering jackanapes. You titanic fool. I want the $1000 so that the student will take the teaching seriously. You are a perfect illustration of why I did that.

You can teach how to beat randomness? Please, can you teach how to beat time?

Quote from: Bayes on July 26, 2010, 12:37:05 PM
All the wisdom you wish to impart has been freely available for many years, why would anyone want to spend $1000 when they can get it all for nothing? what is your USP (unique selling point)?

You are my unique selling point here. You are wrong. Your conclusions are wrong. And your assumptions are wrong. Dig this bub, someday somebody will openly prove you wrong. On that day Roulette, Craps, and Baccarat will all be shut down permanently. You will be the protector of a pile of crap. Knowing that that is in your future makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. The mathNazis bite the dust...

Quote from: Bayes on July 26, 2010, 12:37:05 PM

What principles apply to a random game when the only thing you take into account as a basis for the next bet or series of bets is past spins? all your principles must be fallacies.

If Gizmo's supersystem is based on trends/elegant patterns, and any sequence of outcomes has the same chance of occurring as any other of the same length, then how can trends/elegent patterns even be classified, and, moreover, how can they exist in the same game as a non-tend/non-elegent pattern? Either every sequence of a given length is a trend/elegent pattern or it is just a random sequence disgorged by a device. Further, even if a trend/elegent pattern could be classified as being so, its length in a random game is totally inestimable, since on any given spin it has the same odds as continuing or not continuing. The whole thing is a fallacy based on junk-maths, unless you somehow factor in the physical aspects of the game, which clearly don't apply here.

Quote from: GogoCro on July 26, 2010, 12:41:29 PM
You can teach how to beat randomness? Please, can you teach how to beat time?

I can teach how to play 32nd notes. Does that count?

Quote from: Number Six on July 26, 2010, 12:55:48 PM
If Gizmo's supersystem is based on trends/elegant patterns, and any sequence of outcomes has the same chance of occurring as any other of the same length, then how can trends/elegent patterns even be classified, and, moreover, how can they exist in the same game as a non-tend/non-elegent pattern? Either every sequence of a given length is a trend/elegent pattern or it is just a random sequence disgorged by a device. Further, even if a trend/elegent pattern could be classified as being so, its length in a random game is totally inestimable, since on any given spin it has the same odds as continuing or not continuing. The whole thing is a fallacy based on junk-maths, unless you somehow factor in the physical aspects of the game, which clearly don't apply here.

So says the blind. So you want to teach about randomness but you can't make it work, so that qualifies you to explain it? That sums you up perfectly. Nice going. What a pathetic bit of sophistry. If you divide Number Six by three you get number two, the significant symbolism of a pile of it.

Quote from: Gizmotron on July 26, 2010, 01:02:23 PM
So says the blind. So you want to teach about randomness but you can't make it work, so that qualifies you to explain it? That sums you up perfectly. Nice going. What a pathetic bit of sophistry. If you divide Number Six by three you get number two, the significant symbolism of a pile of it.

Sorry, you are seeing things, unsurprisingly given your character. There is nothing deceptive in the question. It's a basic mathematical observation that has revealed your faulty logic and forced you to resort to ad hominem, like every single other seller out there pushing worthless gambling products. Your reluctance to answer simply proves that you are lacking fundamental knowledge or will not answer the question because to do so would show that the real maths of the game clearly throws out your junk-maths. Now I'm REALLY scared about being exposed as a past thinker...

Number Two, you are clueless. Your math excuse is nothing but a comfort blanket or a crutch to lean on. There is no way that randomness stays in a constant state of house advantage. That would deny randomness its natural proclivities. That means that your excuse for common sense is worthless. Keep piling it up. That's what your good at.

Quote from: Number Six on July 26, 2010, 12:55:48 PM
The whole thing is a fallacy based on junk-maths

Hence Gizmo has to resort to having "students" and not customers. Customers complain and want their money back if the product doesn't perform as advertised, but not every student is guaranteed a diploma, which is Gizmo's get-out clause.

Can't make the strategy work? study harder! practice longer! remember, you paid $1000 for this, it's YOUR responsibility.

What a con.

Quote from: Bayes on July 26, 2010, 01:23:55 PM
Hence Gizmo has to resort to having "students" and not customers. Customers complain and want their money back if the product doesn't perform as advertised, but not every student is guaranteed a diploma, which is Gizmo's get-out clause.

Can't make the strategy work? study harder! practice longer! remember, you paid $1000 for this, it's YOUR responsibility.

What a con.

Lame excuse, more advice from a chicken. Talk about a challenge. This one I started. You guys are so full of it.

Quote from: Gizmotron on July 26, 2010, 01:17:29 PM
Number Two, you are clueless. Your math excuse is nothing but a comfort blanket or a crutch to lean on. There is no way that randomness stays in a constant state of house advantage. That would deny randomness its natural proclivities. That means that your excuse for common sense is worthless. Keep piling it up. That's what your good at.

Again, I think you're missing the point or ignoring it. The maths for a trend is exactly the same as the maths for a non-trend, meaning everything is either a trend or it isn't...thus realistically nothing can ever be a trend even when it has passed (then it becomes an illusory pattern you want to see)... none of this is of any use to any human player in real-time, even one with a large brain and lots of processing power. The facts are undeniable to any sane person and already relegate your theories to the status of junk. In short, even though the system might be in an upswing, it's still due to random chance and it's impossible to use junk-maths to make more right decisions than wrong ones because what you're looking for or what you think you see is just a bunch of gibberish based on a classical fallacy. What you seem to be suggesting is selective entries into the game, thus even though the system might be winning, the player is still actually losing.

Quote from: Number Six on July 26, 2010, 01:30:42 PM
The maths for a trend is exactly the same as the maths for a non-trend, meaning everything is either a trend or it isn't...

What makes you think that following a trend is the end of the method? It's just one way to identify what's currently happening. You don't know what to do with current states. You don't have a minimal understanding. Advice from you is like investing in piles of fertilizer. You are the perfect example of not perceiving from one's own experience. Your comments are nothing but lost opinions. They are worthless and incomplete of common sense and reason.

Come on men!
Stop this...its enough...we made the point!

He understood that he made a big mistake by proving on his own  that he was a pathetic lier all these years!

Quote from: Jean-Claud on July 26, 2010, 01:36:24 PM
Come on men!
Stop this...its enough...we made the point!

He understood that he made a big mistake by proving on his own  that he was a pathetic lier all these years!

So who is Jean-Claud. He implied that I knew who he was. I don't.

BTW, I didn't make a big mistake. I suspected that in the end you would all turn out to be real chickens. It's absolutely hilarious. You all want a free ride or you will moan and groan like old ladies.

Quote from: Gizmotron on July 26, 2010, 01:36:09 PM
What makes you think that following a trend is the end of the method? It's just one way to identify what's currently happening. You don't know what to do with current states. You don't have a minimal understanding. Advice from you is like investing in piles of fertilizer. You are the perfect example of not perceiving from one's own experience. Your comments are nothing but lost opinions. They are worthless and incomplete of common sense and reason.

Point missed, again. There is no "current state", unless you can time travel. If the odds don't change from spin to spin, how can anything be currently happening? The observed string of random outcomes simply becomes bigger and bigger. Clearly you have no concept of what's what. It's like talking to a sociopathic plank. I guess we have to wait until one of your idiot "students" gets it and decides to make world history. Will it be as monumental yet subtle as Wendel's effort? When he did it, no one noticed. They still haven't.  

Quote from: Number Six on July 26, 2010, 01:45:36 PM
There is no "current state", unless you can time travel. If the odds don't change from spin to spin, how can anything be currently happening? The observed string of random outcomes simply becomes bigger and bigger. Clearly you have no concept of what's what. It's like talking to a sociopathic plank. I guess we have to wait until one of your idiot "students" gets it and decides to make world history. Will it be as monumental yet subtle as Wendel's effort? When he did it, no one noticed. They still haven't.  

Oh, name calling. That's impressive. ...and you insist that there is no such thing as a current state. Yeah, you are so informative. I guess this is your fatwa and this is your grand jihad. You mathNazis are almost as funny as serious people.

Quote from: Gizmotron on July 26, 2010, 01:51:15 PM
Yeah, you are so informative.

Grass is green you know, I doubt you can convince the world it's pink, even with 10 idiots on your side.

Quote from: Number Six on July 26, 2010, 01:58:10 PM
Grass is green you know, I doubt you can convince the world it's pink, even with 10 idiots on your side.

You should know. You are the captain of all idiots.

And you're the admiral.
Hang on, that's Wendel. You're the rear admiral.

You and Spike have been promoting for a nice period>>>

Don't include me in this, I knew nothing about it. Gizmo and I rarely talk, I think once in the last 6 weeks maybe. Just because you bozo's think me and Gizmo are somehow connected doesn't mean we are. This is his deal, wising up chumps is never easy and is always more work than its worth. Why he wants to torture himself is a mystery to me. Chumps are chumps for a reason, you might as well try and teach a dog to read a newspaper. Good luck.

I just wanted to prove they are all a bunch of chickens. I proved that. It only cost me $9.95

It's funny too. Everyone wants a free demonstration. Cheapskate chickens. This forum is in the full control of the mathNazis. There is no point in discussing anything here. I just wanted a perfect exit strategy.

I suspected you weren't serious when you said you wanted 10 students before you would start. Thats like saying you want 10 people who are afraid of heights to teach mountain climbing to. You know beforehand its never gonna happen. The ones who want to learn the most don't have a thousand dollars, and the ones who have it would never give it to you because they think they already know everything.

Of course he was serious. Otherwise, he would invite potential "students" in private, without public announcements. Imagine how desperately he needed these $10K that he was forced to give it a try here...

Quote from: mistarlupo on July 26, 2010, 05:40:32 PM
Of course he was serious. Otherwise, he would invite potential "students" in private, without public announcements. Imagine how desperately he needed these $10K that he was forced to give it a try here...

Wrong again dope. I offered it on ebay for a full week before making this announcement here. It was priced at $500 too. I never sold it there either. I did run some idiot off though. He wanted a free demonstration too. The world is full of chickens. Best of all the world can't read randomness and has no clue about current states.

Quote from: Gizmotron on July 26, 2010, 05:52:48 PM
Wrong again dope. I offered it on ebay for a full week before making this announcement here. It was priced at $500 too. I never sold it there either. I did run some idiot off though. He wanted a free demonstration too. The world is full of chickens. Best of all the world can't read randomness and has no clue about current states.

What! The guy actually asked for some kind of proof of the product before he handed over the cash to you, a total stranger? What a f'ing idiot!

Quote from: Number Six on July 26, 2010, 05:54:17 PM
What! The guy actually asked for some kind of proof of the product before he handed over the cash to you, a total stranger? What a f'ing idiot!

It was probably you. You are an internet sucker buying up worthless systems. No wonder you are such a savior. You are so tapped out on garbage that you sucked up to the mathboyz. Now you are nothing but a jerk.

What did you expect, Gizmo? You're not the first one to sell a long term winning method on the internet. People are rightly sceptical about system sellers. Don't act like you know nothing about this kind of business.

Quote from: mistarlupo on July 26, 2010, 06:14:10 PM
What did you expect, Gizmo? You're not the first one to sell a long term winning method on the internet. People are rightly sceptical about system sellers. Don't act like you know nothing about this kind of business.

I'm not in business. It was the only way to look serious. There is anther guy on there that is selling one for $2,000. He's had eight buyers so far. Nope, it's too late. The chickens have come home to roost. Watch this.

Quote from: Gizmotron on July 26, 2010, 06:07:41 PM
It was probably you. You are an internet sucker buying up worthless systems. No wonder you are such a savior. You are so tapped out on garbage that you sucked up to the mathboyz. Now you are nothing but a jerk.

Gizmo, no need to get uptight, homes. I don't know what it's like in the blubber world with you, Wendel and Fender, but in the real world people generally don't just give their cash away to some e-bay beggar who can't prove he's actually selling anything.

Quote from: Number Six on July 26, 2010, 06:36:15 PM

Gizmo, no need to get uptight, homes. I don't know what it's like in the blubber world with you, Wendel and Fender, but in the real world people generally don't just give their cash away to some e-bay beggar who can't prove he's actually selling anything.

I proved you chicken shits are all BS.

You really need help, Mr Brownell. You live in your own world.

Quote from: mistarlupo on July 26, 2010, 07:01:49 PM
You really need help, Mr Brownell. You live in your own world.

Some day you will see what a total ass your were back when. For now you will just have to admire yourself.

Total ass? For what?

Read the topic from the beginning and you'll see that you are the one who's been namecalling all the time.

Gizmo, welcome to the dark side.. the hate is swelling in you <-- said in kinda emperor voice

I dont know you or what you teach, so I wont judge. Nevertheless, expect people to judge everything about you, without knowing jack.

Quote from: Steve on July 26, 2010, 07:49:03 PM
Gizmo, welcome to the dark side.. the hate is swelling in you <-- said in kinda emperor voice

I dont know you or what you teach, so I wont judge. Nevertheless, expect people to judge everything about you, without knowing jack.

Steve, I truly sympathize with you and any attempts to sell Roulette stuff. I was just trying to get one of them to step up and put their money where their mouths were. They just want a free system or method without paying for it.

Quote from: Spike! on July 26, 2010, 05:34:14 PM
...The ones who want to learn the most don't have a thousand dollars, and the ones who have it would never give it to you because they think they already know everything.

Close, but not entirely accurate.

I suspect for many the fear is more about commitment, and this goes for any type of education program. It would only take one or two what ifs to exclude most potential students.

If I cough up a grand, I must commit to the teachings. How long will it take? How many hours a day out of my already busy schedule will it consume? Will the wife be pissed at me when she gets the bank statements @ minus $1000? What if I don't cut it? What if I struggle to understand and implement it? What if I fail?

Maybe Gizmo should offer some form of curriculum outline, if that's possible.



Personal opinion aside, whenever someone believes they have something secret and valuable to teach, it is universally accepted that they charge an admission fee. There is no other effective method for keeping away the stone throwers.

ever someone believes they have something secret and valuable to teach, it is universally accepted that they charge an admission fee. There is no other effective method for keeping away the stone throwers.>>


For eons secrets were never sold, they were taught only to those considered worthy. They carried these secrets to their grave. You might be able to offer a winning method to one or two well heeled clients after a live demo, but thats about it. Without a moneyback guarantee. If they paid enough for it, they would take it seriously.

G'day,

Quote from: bombus on July 26, 2010, 08:22:31 PM
If I cough up a grand, I must commit to the teachings. How long will it take? How many hours a day out of my already busy schedule will it consume? What if I don't cut it? What if I struggle to understand and implement it? What if I fail?

These are the thoughts that crossed my mind as well as,

I sit at breakfast once every 2 months & only just follow the roulette / betting conversation with L,
(a VERY GOOD, patient teacher), how would I EVER learn from remote as well as the fact that
I have a PERFECT MECHANICAL PROGRESSION SYSTEM!!

As far as ALL you Flat Earthers, Past Thinkers go, YOU'RE WRONG with your idea about past spins, trends, etc,
I don't profess to know what Gizmo or Spike can do, but I KNOW what is possible with a PERFECT MECHANICAL PROGRESSION SYSTEM!!

Glenn.

OK, I was messing with the math Nazis yesterday. The real price is $500. That's was the same price for the past two weeks too. The lessons are on using a specific strategy using reading randomness and recognition of current states. The price is a bargain. You will lose ten times that if you keep gambling without knowing this.

Now the math Nazis can start telling you why it can't work. Only one problem. They have no idea what it is. They admit that there is no such thing as a current state. Their advice is so bad that they owe you for giving it.

Gizmo,

A serious question: Are you offering this because you want (or need) to make money? or because you want to prove the "math-nazis" are full of it and that you were right all along?

Either way, why don't you offer to teach your strategy to a trustworthy member here or at GG (maybe Laurance?) and ask him to give an assessment?

As to "current state", I assume that just means some classification of past spins.

Quote from: Steve on July 26, 2010, 07:49:03 PM
I dont know you or what you teach, so I wont judge. Nevertheless, expect people to judge everything about you, without knowing jack.

Really? we know that Gizmo's method is based on "reading" random sequences such that he can do better than expectation. Any rational person has to be mighty sceptical of this claim (aren't you?). We know that he has "form" on this forum for jerking people around just for fun (apparently). Also, he's been temporarily banned on more than one occasion for his aggressiveness towards other members.

And all that is quite apart from the fact that roulette is "conventionally" recognized to be an unbeatable game, that no winning system has ever been demonstrated, that the vast majority of system sellers are charlatans... shall I go on?

Yep, we know jack.  ::)

Quote from: Bayes on July 27, 2010, 04:10:14 PM
Gizmo,

A serious question: Are you offering this because you want (or need) to make money? or because you want to prove the "math-nazis" are full of it and that you were right all along?

Either way, why don't you offer to teach your strategy to a trustworthy member here or at GG (maybe Laurance?) and ask him to give an assessment?

As to "current state", I assume that just means some classification of past spins.

1. I want the money so that the student not only demonstrates that they will take it serious but that they will have a vested interest in fully understanding it. Eventually someone is going to blow the lid on this. But not before I have personally tutored a few that can show later what really happened. My customers want the winnings far more than the recognition. Nope, you math guys will just have to live in your flat world for a while.

2. My customers I trust because they ponied up to get a first look at it. You just want it for free. You can have it for free right after it's too late.

3.  Give me $500 and I'll explain everything. Until then just keep on making assumptions.

Gizmo,

You haven't really answered my question, but that's your choice.

I'm not going to give you $500. Maybe that makes me a chicken, but who cares? I need the eggs.

New improvements to the training software now enable spin entry for sharing spin by spin instructions using google chat. Also the new upgrade includes both American and European wheels.

There are two slots open for training.

BTW, there is not going to be any book. I was just messing with Spike and his love of what Ed Thorp did.

Quote from: Gizmotron on July 30, 2010, 12:36:38 PM
New improvements to the training software now enable spin entry for sharing spin by spin instructions using google chat. Also the new upgrade includes both American and European wheels.

Training software to teach reading random? Isn't that like having a slide show to teach blind people to read Braille?

Quote from: Spike! on July 30, 2010, 02:03:10 PM
Training software to teach reading random? Isn't that like having a slide show to teach blind people to read Braille?

The training software is to make it possible to explain what we both see in the most recent past spins. By bouncing between the software window and the chat window we can discuss each bet selection and talk about what and why I made the bet that I did. I will also ask questions of the students when they attempt to play. In that way a personal mentoring can evolve from the improved communication tools.

Here's what Gizmo says he'll teach:

How much you should attempt to win.
The difference between a good opportunity and a bad one.
The difference between playing for fun and playing as a professional.
How to practice at home so that you are prepared to win.
What not to do ever and why.
Why most players leave as losers.
What the secrets are to being a professional.
What to expect every time you make a bet.
How to get out of the casino with your winnings, every time.
What does not work.

Do you see one word in there about showing you where to place the next bet? Nope, he doesn't have a clue. And he claims to have played roulette 'for 35 years'. He lives in the Oregon/Washington area. He's told me several times he never goes to Vegas, he was there once and hated it. They've only had casinos in his area for about 10 years, so where in hell did he play for 35 years if he didn't go to Vegas? He's says he's never been to AC either. No internet, no Vegas, he must have been playing in his mind.. LOL!
 

Spike - "This is the same useless crap all system sellers 'teach'. Yawn.."

And how many of them teach reading randomness? How many teach the characteristics of randomness? How many teach about dominance, series, trends, patterns, sleepers, and my own favorite the global effect? How many give out software to practice on and to discuss step by step reasoning for each bet made? How many actually spend time teaching in private and don't bother with the shills that always appear on these forums? How many teach about the current states? How many teach about the importance of effectiveness? Yep, you are wrong again. Must be nice for you needing allies. Got any?

BTW, you missed Reno  / Tahoe. That makes you a lier again.

You have no idea what goes on between me and my students.

You have no idea what goes on between me and my students. >>>

I know you're not teaching where to place the winning bet because if you knew that, you'd be in the casino doing it. Duh. Don't forget how to tip the restroom attendent and how not to look in the urinal next to you when relieving yourself. Very important.

Speaking of Reno.....I have never been there but its high on my list. Thumbs up or down for Reno? Good times there? Ken

Quote from: Mr J on August 01, 2010, 12:29:29 AM
Speaking of Reno.....I have never been there but its high on my list. Thumbs up or down for Reno? Good times there? Ken

The casinos are all spread around town. It's not like Laughlin, South Tahoe, or Vegas where there are casinos all bunched up together. Nothing a cab ride can't fix though. Then there's the air races every year. That's interesting too.

And Reno is only 9 1/2 hours from where Gizmo lives, so you just know he went a LOT! 3 times a year, maybe..LOL!

My first student just completed his training and is now on his way to gaining the experience needed to be successful with this method.  8)

Will the " students  " then step forward and give  testimonials as it is  usually done in those cases ?

Nathan Detroit

Quote from: Nathan Detroit on August 05, 2010, 05:42:20 PM
Will the " students  " then step forward and give  testimonials as it is  usually done in those cases ?

Nathan Detroit

I doubt if they will. Some of them have asked to not be identified. So I have chosen never to name them and to keep their identities secret from each other. If they come forward I'm sure they will be hounded to give up what they paid to learn. The point is to keep it to a few people. If I get to ten students that keep it secret then that will disprove the notion that it will be widely known. People that have something worth it to them will keep it to themselves.

If they come forward I'm sure they will be hounded to give up what they paid to learn>>>

LOL! You might not have noticed, but interest in what you're doing is almost nonexistant. Nobody believes you win, nobody believes you have students. Deal with it..

Quote from: Spike! on August 06, 2010, 01:50:27 AM
If they come forward I'm sure they will be hounded to give up what they paid to learn>>>

LOL! You might not have noticed, but interest in what you're doing is almost nonexistant. Nobody believes you win, nobody believes you have students. Deal with it..

You must be nobody. Deal with that.

I'm fine with this. No shills saying how wonderful it is. Just a few people learning what I know. And it's all real. There are no math freaks telling the world how things are. In fact, there's no back stabbing You to deal with. What happens between me and those I have taught is between us. This does not include you and your wheelbarrow full of manure. Deal with that.  :dance1:

Quote from: Bayes on July 27, 2010, 04:28:45 PM
Really? we know that Gizmo's method is based on "reading" random sequences such that he can do better than expectation. Any rational person has to be mighty sceptical of this claim (aren't you?). We know that he has "form" on this forum for jerking people around just for fun (apparently). Also, he's been temporarily banned on more than one occasion for his aggressiveness towards other members.

And all that is quite apart from the fact that roulette is "conventionally" recognized to be an unbeatable game, that no winning system has ever been demonstrated, that the vast majority of system sellers are charlatans... shall I go on?

Yep, we know jack.  ::)

I fookin hope so! Been around here for sometime!   ;D

Quote from: BayesReally? we know that Gizmo's method is based on "reading" random sequences such that he can do better than expectation. Any rational person has to be mighty sceptical of this claim (aren't you?). We know that he has "form" on this forum for jerking people around just for fun (apparently). Also, he's been temporarily banned on more than one occasion for his aggressiveness towards other members.

And all that is quite apart from the fact that roulette is "conventionally" recognized to be an unbeatable game, that no winning system has ever been demonstrated, that the vast majority of system sellers are charlatans... shall I go on?

Yep, we know jack.  

Quote from: Jakkalsdraai on August 06, 2010, 05:42:03 AM

I fookin hope so! Been around here for sometime!   ;D

Just because you guys can't conceive of a winning strategy inside the bounds of variance of a negative expectation game does not mean you are always right. You just think in the long run you are always right. That's one place where you are wrong though. You can't even figure out how to win when the odds are in your favor to win. It's fun to watch you hold mathematical court though, the grand inquisitor and your henchmen full of hunchbacks.

"It's fun to watch you hold mathematical court though" >>> PERFECT! I have to use this one in the future, I love it and its VERY true.  Ken

Just a few people learning what I know. >>>

Which should take about 2 hours, with a half hour coffee break thrown in. You're counting on none of them coming forward to testify (if they even exist) but they will, as soon as they start to lose. Count on it..

Only three slots left for being a student. After 10 students this offer will be removed.

Thanks

But what are u gonna teach? :o

U admited in the GG that U never had a winning method! and that all this time u were just trying to convince Spike to give u his method!

Quote from: Jean-Claud on August 09, 2010, 08:39:06 PM
But what are u gonna teach? :o

U admited in the GG that U never had a winning method! and that all this time u were just trying to convince Spike to give u his method!

This is good, now you believe Spike. Spike is a lier, he knows what I'm doing is a threat to his way of gambling for one reason. He always says to never wise up the suckers. I'm wising up a handful of serious people that have taken a chance that what I claim just might be true. That however does not have to stop you from being Spike's little errand boy. U R A P isle uv T heard 's AnnD C ouch Hips. Why the heck can't you type like a normal person? Jeez.

Spike is a lier, he knows what I'm doing is a threat to his way of gambling for one reason.>>

The polar opposite is true. I do know what you teach and its absolutlely not what I do, what you do doesn't work. When the s**t hits the fan over this, I want it understood by everybody that I had nothing to do with it.

In two hours yesterday I started out with four stacks of red chips, I lost the first bet, and then I ran into an EC that held up for 15 spins. That went right into two different dominances that I built up to nine stacks of reds at which point I walked. Every bit of that was based on randomness and knowing how to win with it.

So who is talking to you Spike? Which one of my students is telling you what I teach? Go ahead and email me with my teaching method. Prove it to me. You are just a lier. I never told you. You can only guess, just like you are trying to impress people with now. And here is a very important point. If you don't do what I do then you are an idiot and you don't know how to read randomness. You have no idea what you are doing according to your own admission. So buzz off stupid. You are nothing but a turkey.

In two hours yesterday I started out with four stacks of red chips, I lost the first bet, and then I ran into an EC that held up for 15 spins. >>

WOW! That sure proves it to me. Gimmee a break, talk is cheap, everybody here is a winner, just ask them..

Quote from: Spike! on August 10, 2010, 01:05:11 AM
In two hours yesterday I started out with four stacks of red chips, I lost the first bet, and then I ran into an EC that held up for 15 spins. >>

WOW! That sure proves it to me. Gimmee a break, talk is cheap, everybody here is a winner, just ask them..

You are the one with the biggest blabber mouth. Just keep diggin, that hole will look good to you after a while.

Quote from: Spike! on August 10, 2010, 01:05:11 AM
Gimmee a break, talk is cheap, everybody here is a winner, just ask them..

No s**t! That applies to you more than anyone else, except that you're a conman too.

FYI, the owner of this forum is also selling his roulette method, are you saying that he's a liar too? Oh wait, you can't bash him too, you need your vls account.

Let me tell you why Spike turned completely against Gizmo: He doesn't want people's beliefs about his con's "secret method" affected in any way in case Gizmo's system is proven to fail. That's it. Just simply protecting his con.

Notice how he keeps saying:

Quote from: Spike! on August 09, 2010, 10:52:59 PM
its absolutlely not what I do, what you do doesn't work. When the s**t hits the fan over this, I want it understood by everybody that I had nothing to do with it.

lol, why does he need it so bad to make sure people know that this has nothing to do with his "secret method", and that his method DOES work? Because what people believe about his method is the most important thing in his con.

If you're thinking "But he never showed any proof, how could anyone believe in this secret method of his anyway?". Let me tell you that there was a poll made by Bombus about a year ago about who believes in Spike's secret method, you'd be surprised how many people believed it's real or seriously suspected that it's real, over half the voters as far as I can remember.

Quote from: Gizmotron on August 10, 2010, 03:20:18 AM
Just keep diggin, that hole will look good to you after a while.

lol, well said.

Quote from: NS on August 10, 2010, 04:27:31 AM
Let me tell you why Spike turned completely against Gizmo: He doesn't want people's beliefs about his con's "secret method" affected in any way in case Gizmo's system is proven to fail. That's it. Just simply protecting his con.

Bottom Line: "This a sellers market, Laurance, I set the terms, I make the rules, I'm the one with the item of value. I'm off to the next person on my list. Goodbye" -Spike

Very funny, good catch on that pot kettle black moment.

So if my method does prove to be effective then Spike's method is worthless. It's all good. I have no problem with that.  LOL

BTW, I have proved my method. Spike has not. That's a huge difference too. He wants $10,000 and a lifetime contract to share winnings with him and to never claim it was not created by him. Yep, he definitely does not have what I have. I wonder if anyone has purchased his secret decoder ring system yet?

I have to admit this is the best baloneyfest Gizmo has pulled yet. No students (they are sworn to secrecy, shhhh. Its a secret society of winners, they're the Ninja of roulette) no winning method, just Gizmo's usual hooey and hot air. Yet the thread goes on and on and on. Do the 'students have mysterious signet rings so they can recognize each other in the casino? Are their Porche's all the same color, like Mary Kay women who drive pink Cadillacs? LOL!

Quote from: Spike! on August 10, 2010, 04:06:28 PM
I have to admit this is the best baloneyfest Gizmo has pulled yet. No students (they are sworn to secrecy, shhhh. Its a secret society of winners, they're the Ninja of roulette) no winning method, just Gizmo's usual hooey and hot air. Yet the thread goes on and on and on. Do the 'students have mysterious signet rings so they can recognize each other in the casino? Are their Porche's all the same color, like Mary Kay women who drive pink Cadillacs? LOL!

I think it's fair to assume that the Gizmo & Spike love-in,

"We are the ONLY 2 people who win regularly by educated guessing" 

Has indeed come to an end....... :'( :'( :'(

One now offers his ways of wisdom for the mighty $$$ while the other calls him all the names under the sun....

I will wear a virtual black armband in honour of this once strong & faithful relationship being kicked to the kerb...

The divorce lawyers should make a fortune out of this one...... :rtfm:

Quote from: xman1970 on August 10, 2010, 07:45:46 PM
I think it's fair to assume that the Gizmo & Spike love-in,

"We are the ONLY 2 people who win regularly by educated guessing" 

Has indeed come to an end....... :'( :'( :'(

One now offers his ways of wisdom for the mighty $$$ while the other calls him all the names under the sun....

I will wear a virtual black armband in honour of this once strong & faithful relationship being kicked to the kerb...

The divorce lawyers should make a fortune out of this one...... :rtfm:

There also remains the possibility that the two of them are hoodwinking everyone.

They agreed to gizmo doing the sales, and then to strike up further interest perform this staged slagging match.

It could be a clever advertising game to sell us a pup. lol!

Quote from: bombus on August 10, 2010, 08:16:11 PM


There also remains the possibility that the two of them are hoodwinking everyone.

They agreed to gizmo doing the sales, and then to strike up further interest perform this staged slagging match.

It could be a clever advertising game to sell us a pup. lol!

Yikes !!!! I never thought of that....... Boy the plot thickens  :girl_wacko:

I think I will just play it safe n let Em get on with it...... :good:

Quote from: xman1970 on August 10, 2010, 08:19:32 PM
Yikes !!!! I never thought of that....... Boy the plot thickens  :girl_wacko:

Appearances can be deceptive. Objects in the mirror may appear closer than they really are..

Quote from: Spike! on August 10, 2010, 08:29:40 PM
Appearances can be deceptive. Objects in the mirror may appear closer than they really are..

I thought I would post this here too. As that it applies to VLS too:

QuoteSpike - "No, we aren't as dumb as you think we are. You love love love to spin stories Gizmo and suck people in, you've even admitted it. Nobody's buying this story, we know you too well."

You don't no s**t. I showed everyone that most, if not all of you, will pounce on a working mechanical system like a school of piranha. I even let you all in on your feeding frenzy in only 24 hours. That was a unique process around these parts too. Most people carry on for weeks or months. And you jokers acted really angry when I showed you I was making a point.

Now we have this. What better than to really teach a real working system. I can't think of a better way to jerk you around. You people will just go ballistic when you find out that you got played twice. I played you to show you that you don't really know a way to beat Roulette. And almost all of you jumped for it. You have been brow beating me for advocating reading randomness and using trends against the casinos as a form of advantage. So I decided to claim this mountain. This is just me planting a flag. You guys deserve to be set up and served on a platter. I'm doing this to you because all of you have asked for it. It's just to good to pass up.

This is the very best part. I have calculated that ten users of my methods is just about the right number of people to spring my little trap. It's just a guess but I believe something that works will leak out, human nature and all that.

So that leaves one thing. Who is going to be the last three customers. I really am going to cut off any more chances to be trained by me. If all ten keep it a secret then that will be extraordinary. If that fails, then in two years, if I'm still alive, I'm going to publish the full method and the practice software. So get out there and win, if you know how.

How do you like them apples?

If that is your bent, then it sounds like a good plan... a bit nasty to all the innocents though. :give_rose:

 I really am going to cut off any more chances to be trained by me. >>>

Is that a threat or a promise?

I'm going to publish the full method >>>

Oh no, another worthless gambling book on the market I don't have to read. And neither will anybody else.

Quote from: bombus on August 11, 2010, 07:09:58 PM
If that is your bent, then it sounds like a good plan... a bit nasty to all the innocents though. :give_rose:

What innocents? Do I care that mud ends up on the faces of the mathboyz, heck no. Look at it this way. People will stop throwing their money away.

People will stop throwing their money away.>>

They can throw it away on your worthless book. Why wait, why all the melodrama, write it now. You'll have to self publish, gambling books are notorious poor sellers, no publisher will touch it. Do it now, times a wastin..

There is no way that you guess 72% correctly on even chance bets all the time. So go sell your $7 watches for their $7 profit. You are the most disliked person on any gambling forum there ever was. Nobody ever believes your pathetic stories. Don't you have a little neighbor girl to give candy too and to tell her about your big thing. I can live without all ten of the students. I guess the lucky seven will just have to do. So, I'll shut down the chance to receive training. Goodbye.

There is no way that you guess 72% correctly on even chance bets all the time. >>>

AHA! You finally admitted you have nothing! I knew it, it was all a baloneyfest, you said what you had to say to try and get me to reveal what I do but I was on to you the whole time. LOL! All that nonsense you used to write, its meaningless twaddle. I never even read most of it, why bother. You always said anybody can sound smart if they confuse people with nonsense. You are sure tha master of that..

Cut the hypocritical BS Spike. You've been agreeing with Gizmo for years now, you can't just suddenly go the opposite way just because his public offering might affect your business.

And he's right, 72% on the outside EC's is outrageous. Why not say 100% while you're at it? ;D

Bottomline: I would really like you to stop posting shit asshole.

You've been agreeing with Gizmo for years now>>

Gosh, you have no idea whats really going on, quit embarrassing yourself. Theres a good boy...

Spike you know nothing! The truth hurts hey!

Quote from: Jakkalsdraai on August 12, 2010, 09:48:25 AM
Spike you know nothing! The truth hurts hey!

You wouldn't know the truth if it slapped you upside the head. And THATS the truth..

So this is the end, then? Gizmo admits he has nothing, never had anything, has no students, and I'm right? I knew it all along. Its good to be the King...... LOL!!!

Quote from: Spike! on August 14, 2010, 06:43:55 AM
and I'm right?

No. You've just been ignored.

"Its good to be the King" >>> Hey, I'm a close second. lol  Ken

Quote"This a sellers market, Laurance, I set the terms, I make the rules, I'm the one with the item of value. I'm off to the next person on my list. Goodbye" -Spike

I just love that. And he was so afraid of reverse engineering then too.  :yes:

I'm going to switch to two students added per month. I'm going to do live demonstrations using one on one chats and Spielbank Wiesbaden Permanenzen spins that are live. In that way I will be showing that I can do what I say. I don't believe my technique can be reverse engineered. You will of course need to go out and make your million just in case I'm wrong Spike. It's easy to make you a lier Spike and at the same time make me the only one telling the truth in all this here.  Once that starts then my potential students won't need to blindly take a chance on my tutoring. It's a bargain at $500 for full instructions. No extras charged for later. You just get the full thing for the full price. Read it and weep.

BTW, there is no way to read randomness and get an average 72% guess rate on even chance bets. That would be impossible considering the nature of randomness.

You've beaten me down, Brainiac, I can't take it anymore. You've mispelled the word LIAR at least 15 times in a row. Have you read a book since High School? If you're going to WRITE a book, at least learn how to spell.. Sheesh..

Quote from: Spike! on August 14, 2010, 02:19:02 PM
You've beaten me down, Brainiac, I can't take it anymore. You've mispelled the word LIAR at least 15 times in a row. Have you read a book since High School? If you're going to WRITE a book, at least learn how to spell.. Sheesh..

Every once in a while Spike corrects my spelling. The last time is was using waist for waste. Now I've learned lier for liar. Thanks Spike. Any time you want to correct my spelling, I'll take it. So I'm grinding you down. I knew there had to be a way.

It's such a devastating blow. My ego will forever be in decline. You should see my chats. Between the dang software missing key strokes and my bad spelling I look like a dimwit. BUT TO HAVE IT DRIVE SPIKE CRAZY MAKES IT ALL WORTH IT.


By the way, I'm not going to write a book. I'm just going to keep teaching a few people until it all comes out on its own. Wouldn't that be something if they all chose to keep it secret.

Quote from: Spike! on August 14, 2010, 02:19:02 PM
You've mispelled the word LIAR

That's all you got now?

You misspell stuff all the time, but when somebody points it out you say "so what? I was in a hurry".

Quote from: NS on August 14, 2010, 04:16:22 PM
That's all you got now?

You misspell stuff all the time, but when somebody points it out you say "so what? I was in a hurry".

But I don't misspell the same word over and over. What drives me nuts is when they use 'loose' for lose. ARRGGHHH!

I'm just going to keep teaching a few people until it all comes out on its own>>>

I hope you're not holding your breath, nobody else is.  Until it 'all' comes out? Just release it slowly so the shock value doesn't kill us.

Quote from: Mr J on August 14, 2010, 11:38:00 AM
"Its good to be the King" >>> Hey, I'm a close second. lol  Ken

Every king needs court jester. Congratulations Mr j, it's you. lol.

Quote from: Gizmotron on August 14, 2010, 11:45:09 AM
..I'm going to switch to two students added per month...

Is that how long the lessons take, a month?

Quote from: bombus on August 14, 2010, 07:07:00 PM
Is that how long the lessons take, a month?

No, they take about 20min. It takes a month for them to figure out they were fed useless nonsense.

"Every king needs court jester. Congratulations Mr j, it's you" >>> Good one Bombus and you are correct. Have a great day!  Ken

Quote from: bombus on August 14, 2010, 07:07:00 PM
Is that how long the lessons take, a month?

I'm working on producing a teaching tutorial that accompanies the training software. That way the basics are learned so that experience has a foundation to draw from for each new student. Then each student moves on after developing good experience. So I could handle 10 new student per week this way. I just want it to be two new students a month. The plan is for those that learn this and to have them exploit it. So it's anybody's guess how long it will take for the casinos to notice a difference. After each student has the basics I answer questions from them privately in emails. The students come back with questions based on experience learned by practicing. We share information and deal with specific spin sequences. So far everyone is fine with this process.

Spike, you live in a warped illusion of trying to impress people. 72% of the time, from you, is pure fabrication by your contributions here.

Spike, you live in a warped illusion >>>

Will you be teaching Warp Drive tech next? Aren't you a master of that too?

Quote from: Spike! on August 15, 2010, 02:36:35 AM

Will you be teaching Warp Drive tech next? Aren't you a master of that too?

WoW how times have changed  :spiteful:, when I accused Gizmo of been able to do anything in past threads, it was you Spike who came to his rescue :rtfm:

Well better late than never......... :good:

@ Gizmotron,

Just out of curiosity did you get any takers through ebay?

You don't have to answer, of course.

Cheers.

Quote from: bombus on August 15, 2010, 04:12:18 AM
@ Gizmotron,

Just out of curiosity did you get any takers through ebay?

You don't have to answer, of course.

Cheers.

He had thousands, but none met his strict quality standards. Drat..

Quote from: bombus on August 15, 2010, 04:12:18 AM
@ Gizmotron,

Just out of curiosity did you get any takers through ebay?

You don't have to answer, of course.

Cheers.

I have seven students. I'll be back in about a month to take on two new students per month. My plan is well thought out. It would be truly amazing if they all paid their money, learned how to do this, and kept it to themselves for years to come. That would be a good story. If my students keep it a secret then that does not prevent the casinos from noticing it anyway. Eventually it will all come crashing down, just like when Ed Thorp wrote his book. This time it won't be because of a book. It will be because it is being used effectively. These are the days that you will look back on and say to yourselves I wish I had done this or I wish I had done that.

So all seven bought in through ebay? None through the forums?

Quote from: bombus on August 15, 2010, 07:17:55 PM
So all seven bought in through ebay? None through the forums?

I'm not saying. A few have asked not to be identified. So I decided to treat all of them with that same respect. I suppose I could teach three more for free. Just to prove that it's not about the money. It's about proving that I was willing to share it in a way that didn't blab it everywhere. For the last time. If ten people have it, will it remain a secret forever? My reason for sharing it was so that it won't be lost when I die.

Now in this process of talking about that we have all discovered that Spike only claims to read randomness in order to scam people for $10,000 per contract. That is a fact that we all know has taken place.

I really have something and I have proven it to people that stepped up and risked learning it. I think I will teach the last three people for free. You will have to show me why you deserve to be taught this for free.  I know, you all think this is one more baloney festival. In a way it is. Human nature prevents a secret such as this from staying a secret forever. I'm counting on that. But, that does not rule out that ten people who don't know each other just might keep this to themselves for many years. That's the baloney festival. It's a very true to life festival of life itself. When you find out that you passed this up that will be the baloney. Your life will be one more phase of baloney.

When you find out that you passed this up that will be the baloney. Your life will be one more phase of baloney.>>

LOL!! Hurry Hurry says the used car salesman, if you pass this up you're an idiot! Hurry Hurry, only a few spots left, then I'm closing it down! You MUST think we're as stupid as you are, thats the only explanation.

Quote from: Gizmotron on August 16, 2010, 12:38:57 PM
I'm not saying. A few have asked not to be identified. So I decided to treat all of them with that same respect. I suppose I could teach three more for free. Just to prove that it's not about the money. It's about proving that I was willing to share it in a way that didn't blab it everywhere. For the last time. If ten people have it, will it remain a secret forever? My reason for sharing it was so that it won't be lost when I die.

Now in this process of talking about that we have all discovered that Spike only claims to read randomness in order to scam people for $10,000 per contract. That is a fact that we all know has taken place.

I really have something and I have proven it to people that stepped up and risked learning it. I think I will teach the last three people for free. You will have to show me why you deserve to be taught this for free.  I know, you all think this is one more baloney festival. In a way it is. Human nature prevents a secret such as this from staying a secret forever. I'm counting on that. But, that does not rule out that ten people who don't know each other just might keep this to themselves for many years. That's the baloney festival. It's a very true to life festival of life itself. When you find out that you passed this up that will be the baloney. Your life will be one more phase of baloney.

Freebies could be a mistake. I think you would do better to stick to the "add two more students every so often" plan. And I sincerely hope your health improves and you go on living for many good years. :)

OK Spike go ahead and post your so called evidence. I have every exchange with them. You are nothing but a lowly spider scurrying about to spin your little feeble web. There is a significant flaw in your sophistry you are attempting to pass off as authentic. It also implies that you have never known a way to win. So go thrill your followers you pathetic and worthless human being.

Spike - "I got a looooog email from somebody who claims to be a student of yours. He goes on and on about what you're selling is crap and doesn't work.

They say your're long on useless theory and short on where to place the next bet. I'm not going to post it (yet) until I can verify its authentic. I suspect it is because they have a long copy and paste of their exchanges with you and its the same longwinded nonsense you posted on forums & to me in emails. They are quite upset and want a refund. Why they're bothering me with it is a myatery. I tried to warn them, oh well."

How many system sellers say that the offer to purchase the system is now closed? That it won't be taught anymore?

I disclosed my reasons for selling it in the first place. I never have to take any stuff from all those that claim I have nothing because I never proved it. I found a way to prove it. I'm satisfied that I did this right and fair. What I am now doing is closing off the offer to see it. I've done my thing. You have now seen one person claim that they have something, sell it to eight people, and end the so called scam. Live with it. Ha ha!   :)

Here's the thing Giz,

You never HAD to sell anything. You could have just ignored all the taunts and carried on with you own truth.

But you did sell something, and if you can, then many can.

Quote from: bombus on November 18, 2010, 08:00:45 PM
Here's the thing Giz,

You never HAD to sell anything. You could have just ignored all the taunts and carried on with you own truth.

But you did sell something, and if you can, then many can.

It won't matter. I'm dying. I have congestive heart failure. But I'm not dead yet. I still want to do this. I just want it out there known by a few. I did that. People in my own family have shown no interest in this, even after proving it to them. So I figured out a way to let the secrets not be lost. I know how much work it was to discover these methods. So I found a way to get it out there without killing it for me. That's why I'm at peace about all this.  I didn't want it all lost. Who knows how many dedicated learners there are.  People searching for techniques using trends as the basis for a functional method that takes advantage of ambiguous coincidences that tend to act like advantages.

I perfectly understand.

Good for you Gizmo, take care of yourself.

Cheers. :drinks:

perhaps some of your pupils could verify that they are winning.   i myself fail to see how any system for roulette would work. after all you can back 35 numbers and lose. past results have no meaning. so its blind chance.

Quote from: pins on November 18, 2010, 11:23:08 PM
...past results have no meaning.

Sure they do. A stretch of past spins can be half way through a continuing trend. That's as clear case of "meaning" as anything. It's not the meaningfulness of it that matters anyway. It's the person's ability to relate to that meaning. It's the person's capacity to use strategies at appropriate times that are beneficial.

But go ahead. Stay stuck on your impression of meaningless things. If you can't see anything then don't bother giving advice regarding it. You are not an expert. You are not qualified to describe this. You are just using an uneducated guess.

how could you be a expert on roulette.  the wheel has no memory. like every body else you guess the next number.
i do not want to hurt your feelings. but you are deluding yourself. good luck.

Quote from: pins on November 19, 2010, 05:56:03 PM
how could you be a expert on roulette.  the wheel has no memory. like every body else you guess the next number.
I do not want to hurt your feelings. but you are deluding yourself. good luck.

That's funny. An ameba tells one next to it in the petri dish that the world is flat.

Just for the record I never guess the next number. Now figure that out for your simpleton conclusions. You are completely blind to the notion of characteristics to randomness yet you attempt to dazzle us all with your immature conclusions. Spare me the neophyte rhetoric.

the proof of the pudding is in the eating. no replies from your pupils.

Quote from: pins on November 19, 2010, 08:05:23 PM
the proof of the pudding is in the eating. no replies from your pupils.

All of Gizmo's students were on a bus for a field trip to a casino and they were arrested and deported because they were all illegals. Very sad.

QuotePeople in my own family have shown no interest in this, even after proving it to them.

I guess you didn`t return from the casino in a Lamborghini then.  Trust me, your family would show a lot more interest in it, if it took money enough out of the casinos to lift your and their  life to a higher financial state.  If you come home empty handed, they will just look at it as a waste of time.

Quote from: cheese on November 20, 2010, 01:12:02 AM
All of Gizmo's students were on a bus for a field trip to a casino and they were arrested and deported because they were all illegals. Very sad.

Appatently it took the police hours to get all the tongues "unlicked" from the windows........ :'(

Quote from: Kelly on November 20, 2010, 02:22:21 AM
I guess you didn`t return from the casino in a Lamborghini then.  Trust me, your family would show a lot more interest in it, if it took money enough out of the casinos to lift your and their  life to a higher financial state.  If you come home empty handed, they will just look at it as a waste of time.

Wrong again. It's the only evidence easily detectable here. The two in my family that I shared it with have no interests in gambling. They are both in careers that are centered around psychology. One actually treats problem gamblers from time to time. They don't want to be seen anywhere having an interest in gambling. It goes to their credibility in their community. On top of that they don't relate to common betting techniques as they don't have any experience in placing bets. I was never able to get them to a comfortable stage. They both admitted that they understood how it works. They also know that it's not easy. It takes brains and hard work.

I don't know why I bother. Skeptics have to imagine rationalizations based on speculation. Funny thing about them though. The don't have the guts to get together and work on strategies based on trends. It's always that big fat nothing. That black hole in the middle of nowhere where all their opinions come from. Not one decent experiment in all these years. That absence of investigation seems almost nothing more than a knee jerk reaction to a defense reaction. All we ever get from them is nothing but unqualified opinion. Where are the math experiments that deal with trends and calculated advantage? Is the math world devoid of intelligent systems?

Not many people are interested in roulette systems because most people don`t believe in them. If they on the contrary DO work, they will generate money as a result and when that amount is getting big enough it starts to create interest by the surroundings.  The part where money is actually generated is usually the missing link, so fancy theories becomes highly uninteresting because thats what they are: just theories. Pretty worthless if they don`t generate what we all go to the casino for: Winning money and preferbly a lot of them.

Phrases like im bored just winning and winning is obviously invented by someone who might have won a bit but not serious money. I have yet to see a big consistent winner who is not fueled up by adrenalin and ethusiasm and who don`t  want to do it again and again and is also able to show the cash.   

A long story short: Im not impressed by fancy theories that not only lacks the math proof but also the cash proof.  Whats is left then:


Empty words.

Quote from: Kelly on November 20, 2010, 03:47:12 PM
Empty words.

Here are some more: "...in the early 1990s Gonzalo Garcia-Pelayo took massive numbers of observations of the roulette wheels at the Casino de Madrid. He then used a computer to make a statistical analysis of his collection of observations. As expected he found statistical evidence of biased wheels. He then used a rotating team of family members to bet on the most likely numbers. Once the Casino de Madrid owners realised what was happening, they banned Gonzalo from the casino entirely. The casino operators went further, taking Gonzalo to court for cheating. The Spanish courts ruled in Gonzalo's favour, saying that he had not influenced the actual operation of the casino's roulette wheels. Gonzalo was able to win well over a million euros over several years."

Real wheel bias was exploited by this family with just 6 spins in 100 above the statistical normal odds. That's all it took for this family to take off millions. Knowing when to increase bets worked for them. It works for Black Jack teams too. It works for me only I still would like to use it. If everyone could do this then nobody would be allowed to do it. So it's a matter of perspective. I like empty words that are later discovered to be true words. It's a hoot. It's a game remember. The point is to win. It's even more fun watching the lab rats try to figure that once they eat all the cheese that then they all starve to death. You are nothing but one of my lab rats.  

Quote from: Kelly on November 20, 2010, 02:22:21 AM
Trust me, your family would show a lot more interest in it, if it took money enough out of the casinos to lift your and their  life to a higher financial state. 

Not Gizmo's family, they're special. Even in the worst economy since the Depression, they have no interest in the millions Gizmo could teach them to win. Thats because its all on paper, they don't see him winning dime one.

Quote from: cheese on November 20, 2010, 08:01:05 PM
Not Gizmo's family, they're special. Even in the worst economy since the Depression, they have no interest in the millions Gizmo could teach them to win. Thats because its all on paper, they don't see him winning dime one.

This is an example displaying the intelligence of fellow Cheese.
As you can see, it always begs the question, who cut the Cheese.

This thread was created for recruitment purposes.

The recruitment offer is now closed, so I see no reason for this thread to continue.

I will lock it for now and let Steve decide its fate when he logs into the forum again.

Cheers.