*The Cauldron*

[iggiv]

Your hit and run theory does not make sense.  I hear that every single day I go to my local casino.  Let me ask you a very simple question:  What gives you the assurance that you will be in profit at any point?  If you are not in profit, are you supposed to also leave the casino?  You see, this does'nt not change in any way the -2,7%.  Basically it comes down to  the same thing. 

i think it DOES MAKE a lot of sense. let's put it this way. how much probability u have that some system wins 1000 times in  a row? very low, close to zero, right? now how much probaility  u have that a system wins 10 times in  a row? quite more than 1000 times for sure. Now where u have more probability to win and not to lose? 1 time only or 2 times in  a row. there is more probability that if u win and keep playing-- you lose after, than if u win once, u left a table and come back after a while. as simple as that.

and i think  most of the gamblers with some practical experience will agree with me.

[insidebet]

You simply dont understand the simplest of maths!!!  If you want to win once, as you say, and leave the table,  you also have to leave the friggin table if you lose. Period.  Your gain-loss expectation is -2.7%. 

This so f basic I wont comment anymore.

Insidebet

[jrhelp007]

No one said hit and leave the table after one session.

Before you arrive to the Casino or before you start your session, let say you have 400 units. You must set up a goal of winning let say 20%. So at a profit of +80 unit you are done with this session.

Similar concept applies to losing session. Got it?

Regards,

John

[insidebet]

Jhr,

I am not trying to convince anybody.  And I am certainly not naive.  I have been playing this game for quite  awhile and usually is quite skeptical by nature.

I dont think this method has anything to do with sleepers, as you put it.

And no, it does not require a very large bankroll as it is a flat-bet method.

As to whether it can win longterm? Honestly dont know.

Insidebet

[iggiv]

Insidebet, i want to ask you to be more polite and calm. I i've read today as u called someone "idiot" half a year a ago, and as a moderator i did not like it at all. So i am not giving you a warning, i am just asking u friendly, please calm down when u argue with other points of view.  


as for the house edge, winning or losing does not depend only on it. It is much more complicated than that.
if we talk just EC playing with random flat bets -- yes, u r right. If u play more complicated systems, the maths of the game change dramatically. u can win or lose much more than house edge. And the probability of losing or winning can also be very different.  I think u know that.

thank you for the interesting discussion

[jrhelp007]

I sent you an Email.



John.

[insidebet]

Point taken, Iggiv.

Just a very different look on things.
All I am saying is the Money management doesnt change the damn 2,7%.  It never has and never will.

The whole Money management concept is useless if you dont have a winning method.

Insidebet

[iggiv]

i agree with that. money management itself can't win the game. it can help to reduce your losses if u lose or raise your winnings if u win, but it won't win the game

[schoenpoetser]

Insidebet:I advise you to learn the basic principles of statistic mathematics. If you ignore the mathematics of the roulette you shall always be a loser.Sometimes the profitpercentage is called the personal EV.It is common in the pokerworld.The EV of the roulette is a mathematics notion. The CAULDRON is not a HG and must fill up the mathematical rules.
With a real roulette wheel it is impossible to spin so much as  you suggested.
My excelprograms  do it within seconds!!

[insidebet]

For your personal information, I am one of the very few here that have made profits in the 6 figures (USD) with a limited bankroll.  So I am not a lifelong loser, and never will be.
I have never said that the Cauldron was HG.  I said I made test and played it a little and won.  I also said that the person that posted this method has good credentials and should be given the benefit of the doubt.

Insidebet

[jrhelp007]

I typed for the members on this board real number of a "0" wheel roulette  from a land Casino in Atlantic City:

1. You can practice the system using the below numbers.

2. Apply Money management and to show you what happen if you "DON'T WALK AWAY" from a table with a certain  percentage of winning units, you will pay the price!!!

Here are the real spin numbers:

15
4
4
4
24
36
22
15
12
23
5
26
20
18
23
21
20
33
31
11
3
19
6
22
24
27
15
23
30
15
16
32
15
20
5
35
29
21
28
9
2
15
24
7
3
36
1
15
13
4
8
34
6
12
16
13
7
30
2
33
30
22
31
11
3
21
---Left the table---

Someone should run the above numbers as described in the system and post the results...

John

[insidebet]

Does that prove anything?  Absoluttely nothing!

Anything can happen.  We all know that.
I can show you a set of real numbers where you would win for 150 spins in a row.  So what?

This ''hit and walk away'' is nonsense.  If you have a winning method, the longer you play the more you will make.  Simple as that.

Insider

[iggiv]

Does that prove anything?  Absoluttely nothing!

Anything can happen.  We all know that.
I can show you a set of real numbers where you would win for 150 spins in a row.  So what?

This ''hit and walk away'' is nonsense.  If you have a winning method, the longer you play the more you will make.  Simple as that.

Insider

i disagree with that, bud. no system will work long time in a row without going down. that's roulette. that's randomness. if u have a winning method like that u can have a good amount of money from Wizard of Ods. he challenged anyone and nobody was able to deliver a winning method which would hold his test.


that does not mean u can't win in roulette, it just means u can't always sit and play hours and hours and hours and stay ahead. 

nolinks://wizardofodds.com/

[insidebet]

I have played over 150 000 spins flat bet and I am way ahead.  What about trhat?

Insidebet

[jrhelp007]

You wrote: "For your personal information, I am one of the very few here that have made profits in the 6 figures (USD) with a limited bankroll.  So I am not a lifelong loser, and never will be.
I have never said that the Cauldron was HG.  I said I made test and played it a little and won.  I also said that the person that posted this method has good credentials and should be given the benefit of the doubt."

Insidebet why don't you share your method and system with the members on this board so we can make six figures
as well.    Insidebet

[jrhelp007]

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