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Started by winkel, August 20, 2008, 09:42:05 AM

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JHM

Quote from: winkel on October 16, 2008, 04:58:45 AM
Quote from: JHM on October 15, 2008, 06:49:14 PM
I'm getting grip on the system Winkel. did another session ended +3. Now we're getting somewhere.

What to do in this situation?

Spin   Nr.    0   1   1>   2   2>

13   25   29   4   4   3   1   Bet 4 hit once
14   24   28   5   4   3   1   Lose -4
15   4   27   6   4   3   1   Lose -4  continue bet 0vs1 or switch 1vs1>?
16   29   26   7   4   3   1   Lose -4
17   11   25   8   4   3   1   Lose -4
18   16   25   7   5   3   1   If continued 0vs1, lose -3 and win 35. When switched to 1vs1> no win.


Hi JHM,

I normally start to bet when 19"0" have crossed with 18">1"

remember: the "2" have to rise up to 10 (thats the binomial hill) betting them to fall during that rise is tricky.

I do nearly always start with betting a "0" vs anyone
except:
"0" are very slow and are sataying at 18 or 17. then you have a good chance to hit a 1vs>1(2) or even a 2vs>2(3)

But again:
any decision you make is okay as long as there is a crossing
If you are not sure: Just don´t bet
It is not like in a progression: you bet martingale 128 pieces you loose and stopp because 256 ist to much money. and youre chance appears. That hurts.
GUT is just the decision: bet 15: lose 15 / win 21. If don´t lose/win here, you will lose/win somewhen later.
This whole game is a mix of good and bad decisions with the guarantee to win in the end.
br
winkel




Understood. So it doesn't matter for how long you keep betting a sitiuation, after the crossing appears you lose 2-3 times you can still continue to bet that crossing?

And maybe a stupid question  :). But you say ''This whole game is a mix of good and bad decisions with the guarantee to win in the end.''. Even when you have made more bad than good descissions?

winkel

QuoteEven when you have made more bad than good descissions?

;D ;D ;D ;D

thats not possible, because to bet the crossing is always a good decision.

;) :D :P >:D

br
winkel

JHM

Quote from: winkel on October 16, 2008, 04:58:45 AM
Quote from: JHM on October 15, 2008, 06:49:14 PM
I'm getting grip on the system Winkel. did another session ended +3. Now we're getting somewhere.

What to do in this situation?

Spin   Nr.    0   1   1>   2   2>

13   25   29   4   4   3   1   Bet 4 hit once
14   24   28   5   4   3   1   Lose -4
15   4   27   6   4   3   1   Lose -4  continue bet 0vs1 or switch 1vs1>?
16   29   26   7   4   3   1   Lose -4
17   11   25   8   4   3   1   Lose -4
18   16   25   7   5   3   1   If continued 0vs1, lose -3 and win 35. When switched to 1vs1> no win.


Hi JHM,

I normally start to bet when 19"0" have crossed with 18">1"

remember: the "2" have to rise up to 10 (thats the binomial hill) betting them to fall during that rise is tricky.

I do nearly always start with betting a "0" vs anyone
except:
"0" are very slow and are sataying at 18 or 17. then you have a good chance to hit a 1vs>1(2) or even a 2vs>2(3)

But again:
any decision you make is okay as long as there is a crossing
If you are not sure: Just don´t bet
It is not like in a progression: you bet martingale 128 pieces you loose and stopp because 256 ist to much money. and youre chance appears. That hurts.
GUT is just the decision: bet 15: lose 15 / win 21. If don´t lose/win here, you will lose/win somewhen later.
This whole game is a mix of good and bad decisions with the guarantee to win in the end.
br
winkel




Winkel,

I haven't had a bet situation on 0vs1 (you prefer to start first bets at that crossing). I have this situation, what would you do yourself?

Spin   Nr.    0   1   1>   2   2>
31     26    19   9   9    6    2     Bet the 1vs1>?

And another situation I would like to hear your thought

Spin   Nr.    0   1   1>   2   2>
46     29    12   14 11   4   6     Bet 12 unhit (situation ovs1> 12-11)
47     30    11   15 11   4   6     Win + 24. (new situation 0vs1> 11-11, bet again or stop after win?)

JHM

Quote from: winkel on October 16, 2008, 12:04:53 PM
QuoteEven when you have made more bad than good descissions?

;D ;D ;D ;D

thats not possible, because to bet the crossing is always a good decision.

;) :D :P >:D

br
winkel

I see  ;D. But is there a point that you should say ''quit''. lets say a crossing appears, you bet 15 unhit and you loose 4 bets in a row?

winkel

Quote from: JHM on October 16, 2008, 12:10:18 PM
Winkel,

I haven't had a bet situation on 0vs1 (you prefer to start first bets at that crossing). I have this situation, what would you do yourself?

Spin   Nr.    0   1   1>   2   2>
31     26    19   9   9    6    2     Bet the 1vs1>?

And another situation I would like to hear your thought

Spin   Nr.    0   1   1>   2   2>
46     29    12   14 11   4   6     Bet 12 unhit (situation ovs1> 12-11)
47     30    11   15 11   4   6     Win + 24. (new situation 0vs1> 11-11, bet again or stop after win?)


first situation:
I would bet this:
- first of all the risk is low -9+-10 ant he crossing is gone if the "0" change from slow to fast
- it seems that this is a sequence where all new numbers ("0") fill up the "1" and another "1" (or even the same number) straight goes to "2": That´s a nice rythm
- but if we have the 2 numbers on ">2" having hit 5 or more times (one or both) I jump back or collect a new spin-row.

second situation:
we should have binomial:
13-14 "0" at spin 37 and about 9 "0" at spin 50. so this is always a good bet.
if the "0" have been very slow so far I would bet again, if there was a waving in the hits I would stop or look at the rythm:
e.g.

40 14-14-10-5-5 =0
41 13-15-10-5-5 =0
42 13-14-10-5-5 =1
43 12-15-10-5-5 =0
44 12-15-10-4-6 =2
45 12-15-10-4-6 =1
46 12-14-11-4-6 =0
I would presume a "2" to appear

had the row been 0 0 1 2 1 0 ...
I would presume a 0 again!
without a rythm see above

br
winkel

winkel

Quote from: JHM on October 16, 2008, 12:11:36 PM
I see  ;D. But is there a point that you should say ''quit''. lets say a crossing appears, you bet 15 unhit and you loose 4 bets in a row?

The point where I definitely stop playing:

I get the feeling that I can´t read what´s going on.
And every decision made is wrong.

I would jump back and restart but betting very carefully. If missbetting continues: Let´s see tommorrows results.

br
winkel

winkel

Quote15   4   27   6   4   3   1   Lose -4  continue bet 0vs1 or switch 1vs1>?

I missed this one:

I cannot see a crossing 0vs1 (27-6), wouldn´t even bet 1vs>1 at that stage

br
winkel

TwoCatSam

All.....

I just had a situation where the "0" was 17 and slept seven spins in a row.  Meanwhile 1 v 2 was heading for a crossing.  Then I got a hit on the 0 column and had this:

16  12  6  3

Here I could have added columns 1 and 3 and got 15 and had a 0 vs (1+3) crossing.  Since all sums are rising and 0 is falling, they could have crossed.  They didn't.  I had an 11 v 10 (1 v >1) on the next spin and won.  The point is this:  The 0s totally went to sleep and the others were moving.  Where did I read that?  Oh, yes, winkel said that would happen.

Such coincidence that sooooo much of what he says, I see!  

I jacked the video around so no movie!  You'll just have to trust me.

winkel, would you have bet this:  0 vs (1+3)?

Sam


TwoCatSam

Jur

Before a math wizard pounces on you, you might want to put the <> signs in front of your number.  >2   not 2>

If you had numbers close together, we would mistake what you meant.

Sam

winkel

Quote from: TwoCatSam on October 16, 2008, 01:42:15 PM
winkel, would you have bet this:  0 vs (1+3)?

Sam

I never ever even tried such a betting  ;D
I wouldn´t recommend this kind of "producing" crossings

br
winkel

JHM

Quote from: winkel on October 16, 2008, 01:41:54 PM
Quote15   4   27   6   4   3   1   Lose -4  continue bet 0vs1 or switch 1vs1>?

I missed this one:

I cannot see a crossing 0vs1 (27-6), wouldn´t even bet 1vs>1 at that stage

br
winkel

Sorry for the confusion, from a old post. Never mind not relevant anymore.

JHM

Quote from: TwoCatSam on October 16, 2008, 01:45:11 PM
Jur

Before a math wizard pounces on you, you might want to put the <> signs in front of your number.  >2   not 2>

If you had numbers close together, we would mistake what you meant.

Sam

Sam see 5 posts up in the quote. The numbers where there the quotewizzard made them dissapear

droidman

Hi Sam,

I'm pretty sure you shoudn't just add columns 1 and 3
together, you'd have to include column 2 to get a proper
"greater than" sum.

I think that's what winkel meant by not recommending
producing crossings this way. I don't think making up
combinations should be a part of the system.


madupz4

Winkel or anyone who knows:

I just played 3 sessions and ended -120 but I think I may have been doing something wrong.

When I got to a point where say I have (0 vs. 1) 16-15 and I bet and lost, then I bet again and lost again.. I STOPPED! (-32)

-Then I started to look at the 0 vs. 1> or other combinations.  During this time, I noticed that 0 vs. 1 came back to a possible crossing of say 13-12 or 13-13.  Do I go back and "attempt" to make another 2 bets on 0 vs. 1 or do I ignore it and let it go b/c I have already tried that during this session and lost back to back attempts previously?

Thanks

winkel

Hi madupz,

go to the testing Zone and check the the listed sessions.

You will see this is part of the game. Ther is no guarantee for winning just in long Term you will win mor often than you lose.

br
winkel

PS
or give the numbers you have played and I give you my results of the bettings and you can compare

winkel

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