Funny..i was just thinking about that!!

[Number Six]

Don't be fooled by what people claim.  There isn't a single winning method or system ANYWHERE in public. You can write off pretty much every single system posted here without even testing it. But then to do that you'd actually have to understand what you're up against.

[seykid29]

It seems to me,you might have a sort of Holy Grail.

[Nathan Detroit]

Iboba,

Atleast offer some  Espresso with the cake . 

[iboba]

Iboba,

Atleast offer some  Espresso with the cake . 

Nathan my friend,
I give them flour,sugar,water and let them mix the cake alone.
Now must go winning some..........................Iboba

[Number Six]

Seykid, nope I do not, maybe some day soon. But I know what WON'T work. Do not believe people who tell you they win consistently, when they fail to substantiate their claims without any ounce of how. Frankly, they are liars. You can't beat the stochastic process with any mechanical bet or rule-based system.

[bombus]

You can't beat the stochastic process with any mechanical bet or rule-based system....

This is probably correct. The process will likely never be determined.

So try to beat the emergent properties rather than the process itself.

[iboba]

This is probably correct. The process with likely never be determined.

So try to beat the emergent properties rather than the process itself.

Or find other unknown properties,meaning if he didn't find it
that somebody else did........................Iboba

[Davey-Jones]

Do not believe people who tell you they win consistently, when they fail to substantiate their claims without any ounce of how. Frankly, they are liars. You can't beat the stochastic process with any mechanical bet or rule-based system.

I might say instead you can't beat every spin with a mechanical bet. I also believe that a method that never loses is a fallacy. Which seems to be the direction most HG seekers go.

In the casino's mind, table games are a long term money generator. So you need a long term solution in my opinion.

As far as I can tell the very few legit winners are branded liars anyway, and the majority of people here pad their stats. Then those who want the winners methods are too lazy to go out there and find them for themselves. All anyone has to do to get a long term winning method/system/bet, whatever you want to call it, is read a couple books and do some research. That's it. Then the rest of your time is spent perfecting the strategy. But you'd still be amazed at how lazy people are. They want the free handout. I have shared my method(s) with a few people who claimed they wanted to learn. I have yet to hear one of them come back and say "Thanks! That's a great method! I won X dollars with it!" Does this mean the method is very lucky for me? And unlucky for everyone else? Nope. It means people are lazy, and don't want to do the work it takes in order to win. It also means people don't like getting rich slow. They want a way to win a million overnight. Keep the search alive you dreamers...

Explain to me why anyone would want to share their personal HG? There is not much gain in it. In my early days when I first came to this forum I said that if I ever found a winning method that was proven, I would post it and share it with all to read. Nothing would satisfy me more than draining every casino. Of course, I know now that this was a very naive view. First of all, if I share it, no one would take it seriously just on the basis that I shared it. Second, I would bring a huge amount of heat to my own play with every donkey that goes in there and plays the exact same way I am only much more recklessly. I totally understand why people keep their methods to themselves. It's not greed. It may not even be for privacy. I know for me... It's to save myself a headache. People I don't know begging me at all hours for help with question that they could answer if they just thought for 10 minutes in quiet. As well as people I don't know calling me a liar, idiot and a fake. Where's my motivation?

[seykid29]

You're right.

[WannaWin]

Congratulations on your long-term winner Mr. Davey.

Motivation is that through the review by colleagues, improvements to the system by many people will likewise serve for feedback to see your own single system from angles that you had not seen.

Same story as always: The mathematical simulations then demonstrate it to be the loser to the brute force method and the casino owners do not pay attention, so the gain is at a personal level.  If it requires patience and persistence, only a small number of people will play it, this can be sure. The hordes of people playing a system is not the reality, only the few who really will appreciate and they provide the tweak in the forum or PM to you.

Many eyes can see what a single pair can not, or it would take a lifetime to discern.

Greetings.
WannaWin

[Number Six]

Davey, of course, you're right about people wanting things handed to them.
In my post I wasn't talking about people who use physics-based methods. There is no system or bet, fashioned in a mechanical way (such as following the last decision, following the opposite to last decision, following the decision that appeared three days and 12 hours ago) or reliant on some sort of rigid criteria, that can defeat randomness. It is impossible; in the long run they all lose. People who have studied the processes of the game know this. I know it, that is why I find half the things people claim on public forums to be absurd. People who say they have mechanical method, or continually drop little hints that they have such a method are telling porkies for some other gain. I don't care if they say "It's just you who hasn't found it". No one will find something that doesn't exist. It's becoming too much of a recurring trend in this forum. Within the space of a few months suddenly everyone has beaten the game. It's laughable. I'm not accusing you yourself of anything, I know you're a physics player, and I accept physics as a valid way to win.

[hideseek]

So both of you have HG? How about a challenge in the challenging zone? Like the way RAY did.

[Number Six]

I don't not have any sort of holy grail. All I know is what cannot beat randomness and what can beat it.

[hideseek]

That's great news my frnd #6.
I have nothing to say about physics, because I won couple of times, with VB and DS.
Some of your posts in other threads were  about stochastic principles in RNG play.  Can you please explain that a bit? Or shall we start a new thread on stochastic principles? I really wanted to learn from you.
Thanks
HS

[Davey-Jones]

I hear ya Number Six. I'm pretty sure we are both on the same page when it comes to telling the difference between a real winner, and someone who is just looking for an ego boost.

As for the challenge, I will respectfully decline. I doubt anyone here is capable of providing a controlled environment for a decent challenge, aswell as my requirements for bet placing, on this board. No offence intended. In person, it's a different story.

But again to my previous point? Why should I go OUT of my way to prove to you something that I already know to be true?

[Davey-Jones]

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