Hi everyone,
I want to learn to make little exe's like this one:
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/downloads/?sa=view;id=187 (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/downloads/?sa=view;id=187)
or this exe type:
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/downloads/?sa=view;id=402 (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/downloads/?sa=view;id=402)
Can any one point me in the right direction, what the best (easiest to learn) software is to create them, any tips etc..?
Many Thanks
You need to program them. You should start with something simple, just text mode programs, I will try to give you little tutorial:
1. Download and install dev-cpp
nolinks://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/dev-cpp/devcpp-4.9.9.2_setup.exe (nolinks://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/dev-cpp/devcpp-4.9.9.2_setup.exe)
It is integrated development environment (IDE) good for beginners, you will have to learn basics of programming in C++, but don't worry, I will post here some sample project with margingale, so you will then be able to do little changes to it and program your own system, generaly just copy-paste from somewhere to elsewhere.
Hello Topcat,
What is exactly what you want to accomplish?
If you need a simple tracker only, you may want Javascript on an HTML webpage.
If you need to read text files from disc and process large amounts of data, then yes, C++ and the other standard languages do the trick.
My best advice to you Topcat is: do not overcomplicate ;)
BTW, thanks Mr. Ore for stepping by and helping Topcat. Everybody -even the best coders- all had had a starting point. Perhaps in a couple years from now Topcat will be 2012's "coder at large" for the forum, and you would have mentored him :)
Hi mr.ore
Thats very kind of you to help out.I am interested too.
TSK
Wow.! thanks for the response guys..!
ok, what I wanted to achieve was a simple gui to be the front end of a very simple Dozens system (in downloads) so nothing complicated, certainly no db, just enter the answer to three questions, what was the first dozen draw, second and third... I was going to have three drop downs with obviously the choice of L M H in each... from there it needs to return a sequence like LHML to the user... it would be nice if it could keep track if won or lost and progression as well but that is not essential... If the user could have the choice to cover the ZP as well...
That's it, but there are others that I would like to be to put into simply GUI's just for fun really....
Thanks
TC
If you've never done any programming, you're going to have a hard time learning C++, trust me. ;)
There are plenty of free, open source languages which are MUCH easier to learn (C++ is just about the hardest you could pick). There are lots of free "BASICS" -
nolinks://nolinks.thefreecountry.com/compilers/basic.shtml (nolinks://nolinks.thefreecountry.com/compilers/basic.shtml)
Then there's Python -
nolinks://nolinks.python.org/ (nolinks://nolinks.python.org/)
And my personal favourite, Euphoria -
nolinks://nolinks.rapideuphoria.com/ (nolinks://nolinks.rapideuphoria.com/)
Well, I have already done some programs in C++ to do simulations, one simple and older, second overcomplicated but better. I will make some simple template from the simple one, remove all the junk systems that accumulated there over time, and post it there. I'm linux user and to make things simple for me, I simply recommend that C++. I'm just installing that DevCpp into WindowsXP in VirtualBox to be able to make that simple tutorial, well, installation is slow in that.
If you want to create simple windows GUIs, here's my recommended 3-step process:
1. Download the Euphoria interpreter for windows from the link in my previous post
2. Download the Windows GUI Library from here - nolinks://nolinks.rapideuphoria.com/win.htm (nolinks://nolinks.rapideuphoria.com/win.htm) (you want the 3rd link down - EuWinGui library and IDE)
3. Learn the language! nolinks://nolinks.axyp43.dsl.pipex.com/abgte.html (nolinks://nolinks.axyp43.dsl.pipex.com/abgte.html)
There are no shortcuts to learning programming, but this is the easiest way - I guarantee it. :D
After installing and first running, close devcpp and start it again, so that it saves it's settings, or if it crashs you will have to wait again when starting and making cache of headers, it happend to me just now.
2. install GSL library
In Dev-C++ IDE, click in menu to Tools, and then select Check for Updates/Packages.
In Select devpak server choose devpaks.org Community Devpaks and click on Check for updates button.
It will download list of updates available. Click on Update in list to sort alphabeticaly it by the name of update, and then find package name GSL.
Click download selected and it will install it.
There are far better ways to learn programming. If you are not afraid of being ridiculed by C++ programmers then you would not do yourself any harm in learning it in a programming language that is far easier to accomplish the task with. It often saves you ten times the number of hours to accomplish your tasks too. You can spend more time on the concepts of your simulations than on dealing with extraneous code.
nolinks://nolinks.runrev.com/ (nolinks://nolinks.runrev.com/)
nolinks://nolinks.runrev.com/downloads/free-trial/ (nolinks://nolinks.runrev.com/downloads/free-trial/)
If NASA can use this platform and language then I'm sure it's accurate enough for your needs. By the way, it compiles your software, it is not another interpretive language. Many of the processes are done in C++ anyway. Only you don't have to assemble all the libraries for common tasks. Many functions only take a single line of code. In other languages it takes several lines to do the same tasks. It's worth looking into.
Well, GSL in Dev-C++ does not work how it should, so just ignore that step, I removed GSL support from program and use stupid default random number generator.
Step 3.
Download project from attachment and unpack it somewhere.
Then in Dev-C++ from menu File->Open project or file and go to that folder and open roulette.dev file.
Now in menu Execute->Compile and run or just hit F9 and it will compile and should run.
You enter numbers 0-36 and programme quits when you enter number out of this range, like -1.
Hit enter after each number.
There is simple system implemented - it is martingale, but we bet only after black and then read appeared, this is for demonstration of betting on condition.
Many thanks for all your suggestions... I thought this was going to be easy ~ :no: :scratch_ones_head:
Thanks Mr. ore and everyone for your help.
TC
If you run the program from console (start->run then cmd.exe, then cd C:\xxx\roulette ) with parameter
C:\xxx\roulette>roulette.exe 256 > data.txt
it will run rng simulation with 256 spins and store result to session.txt
or
C:\xxx\roulette>roulette.exe 256 < spins.txt > session.txt
In spins.txt, each number must be on separate line, like
3
23
0
12
0
There are lines with two numbers, first is spin number, second is our balance.
Now you can use some application, like gnuplot, to show, how system did in long run.
4.
Now little suggestions to make things look better:
In Tools->Editor options check "Use Tab Character" and change "Tab Size" to 2.
then go to syntax tab and select Comment, and change it's foreground color from black to some other color. I would recommend some blue, but choose what you want. This will make comments have different color from code. Comments are some helpful text in program source code, so it is important to be able to see it.
Now OK.
All what is important is in main.cpp file, you do not have to look anywhere else, there may be scary things ;)
5. Read this tutorial
nolinks://nolinks.cplusplus.com/doc/tutorial/ (nolinks://nolinks.cplusplus.com/doc/tutorial/)
you can also download it like pdf there. It should help a little like a start.
There are thinks like variables in C++.
Variable has declaration, which tells compiler that it exists.
int m_Bet; // is declaration of integer variable, it can have integer values like 0,1,2,-10 but not 0.5 or -1.123 and so on.
later there is some method named reset() { <our reset code> }
there you can set it : m_Bet = 1
Well, it will take some time to understand it. To learn bacics of programming you need at least a week, if you have never tried it.
Example of simple system.
namespace roulette{
/*!
* Simple Martingale system.
*/
// if you COPY-PASTE then you our selection starts right here
class Martingale : public RouletteSystem {
protected:
// how much we bet
int m_Bet;
// actual bet's identifier
int m_BetID;
// balance of this system
int m_Balance;
public:
/*!
* Reset system.
*/
virtual void reset(){
m_Bet = 1; // base bet size 1 unit
m_BetID = -1; // we did not do any bet
m_Balance = 0; // our balance is zero
}
/*!
* Place our bets.
*/
virtual void placeBets(){
// set bet's ID to -1 indicate that bet have not been made yet
m_BetID = -1; // ALWAYS reset ALL your bets ID's to -1 in placeBets() function
// we will bet only after series of black,red
if (is_event(event::_linear(2, event::black, event::red))) { // check that event
m_BetID = bet_event(event::red, m_Bet, &m_Balance); // to continuation of red
// write what we are betting on
if (printComments) {
printf("# Bet on red %d units\n", m_Bet);
// start all your messages with #, it will make them comments in gnuplot graph
// viewing application (will explain later)
}
} else { // if that event is not present
if (printComments) {
printf("# Bet nothing\n");
}
}
}
/*!
* Evaluate our bets.
*/
virtual void evaluateBets(){
// check if the bet won
if (bet_won(m_BetID)) {
// we won, tell us about it
if (printComments) {
printf("# We won on red %d units\n", m_Bet);
}
m_Bet = 1; // reset bet to 1
}
// check if the bet lost
if (bet_lost(m_BetID)) {
// we lost, tell us about it
if (printComments) {
printf("# We lost on red %d units\n", m_Bet);
}
if (m_Bet < 512) // if size of bet is lower than 512
m_Bet *= 2; // double the bet, ie. m_Bet = m_Bet * 2;
}
// if m_BetID was -1, we did not make any bet, and so neither of two above will happen
// so it is really important to reset BetId in placeBets()
//
// This is limitation of my code, I poorly designed it and so it's little junky, but still useful
//
}
};
// END OF MARTINGALE, if you COPY-PASTE then you our selection ends right here
/*!
* There you create your system from more systems if needed.
*/
void makeSystem(roulette::RouletteSystemSupervisor &system) {
using namespace roulette;
// add your martingale as only subsystem
system.addSubSystem(new Martingale());
}
}
List of some event names in code:
event::red
event::black
event::even
event::odd
event::small
event::big
Dozens and columns are indexed from zero, dozen(0) menas first dozen and so on
dozen(0) dozen(1) dozen(2)
column(0) column(1) column(2)
number(x)
these may not work properly in you use them with bad number, sixline(2) does not exists, but program do not care
sixline(1) ....
corner(1) ...
street(1) ...
split(1) ...
Looks like we've got a language war going on here! ;D
Programmers tend to get attached to whatever language they use, it becomes something of a religion. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with C++, just questioning how appropriate it is for a beginner. I don't know about run-rev because I've never used it, however it's not free (nor particularly cheap), and it seems more sensible to use an open-source (free) language until you find out whether programming is something you can do or enjoy.
I think we've put topcat off it already. :(
Quote from: topcat888 on January 02, 2010, 12:38:19 PM
Wow.! thanks for the response guys..!
ok, what I wanted to achieve was a simple gui to be the front end of a very simple Dozens system (in downloads) so nothing complicated, certainly no db, just enter the answer to three questions, what was the first dozen draw, second and third... I was going to have three drop downs with obviously the choice of L M H in each... from there it needs to return a sequence like LHML to the user... it would be nice if it could keep track if won or lost and progression as well but that is not essential... If the user could have the choice to cover the ZP as well...
That's it, but there are others that I would like to be to put into simply GUI's just for fun really....
Thanks
TC
Thanks to everyone who helped.
@TOPCAT
This is a TRACKER. No need to overcomplicate things then :)
This is an HTML page with javascript you can use:
<html>
<head>
<title>Topcat Tracker</title>
<script type="text/javascript" language="javascript">
// Coded for *topcat888* from VLSroulette.com
//Determines winning dozen and returns L, M, H or Z
function whichDozen(input)
{
//This is a very newbie-readable else-if!
if( input < 1 )
{
//0
return "Z";
}
else if ( input <= 12)
{
//1 to 12
return "L";
}
else if( input <= 24 )
{
//13 to 24
return "M";
} else if( input <= 36)
{
//25 to 36
return "H";
}
}
function printDozen(number)
{
//print it to results box
document.forms[0].results.value = document.forms[0].results.value whichDozen(number) " ";
}
</script>
</head>
<body>
<form id="form1" name="form1" method="post" action="">
<script type="text/javascript" language="javascript">
for(i = 0; i <= 36; i )
{
document.write('<input type="button" name="' i '" value="' i '" onClick="printDozen(' i ');" />');
}
</script>
<p><textarea name="results" cols="80" rows="5"></textarea></p>
</form>
</body>
</html>
Download attached: [attachmini=#]
This is a working starting point for you to improve :)
Regards.
Your friend,
Victor
Thanks Victor, appreciate everyone's help, it gives me something to work on now...
Cheers
TC
Well, now comes question what is better for beginner. What is nice about java script is that all you need is browser and simple text editor. And you can do a lot, that is really good. Yes, for something like that it is ok to use javascript.
On the other way, topcat888 wanted exe file, real application, not a script, so I wanted to give him a tool, no matter what he wanted to do, it's up to him once he has the ability. I have a code that I use to simulate various systems, it is not tracker, all it does is simulation of the coded system and writing bankroll balance in gnuplot format. It would not be difficult to turn it into application that other scripts could use and add gui or automated betting or so, in unix system just use named pipes as input and output...
If you look into that zip file, there is much more, than that simple system. It is more like my personal toolkit for roulette simulation, there is a lot of useful things like ability to combine more systems into one, describing progressions with finite automaton, tracking of simple moving average over some variable and some other stuff. But there are no comments, so it may be difficult for someone to use it.
Well, because I really like programming, I added user input in hope it will be useful and posted it here. When I have more time I will turn it into more useful tracker, add commments and post it do download section, all what is needed is to add printing of some messages to some places which will tell us what the system do and what happened in game.
Another reason to use C++ is the amount of various libraries you can use. Normally I use GSL library, and have no problems with it in linux gcc compiler. The fact that DevCpp has buggy package in repository or maybe another error made me to comment out GSL from posted code, making it less useful. If you have right compiler and no buggy one, you can uncomment macro USE_GSL in roulette.cpp and have support for advanced RNGs, and can use in your code statistics functions from that library and other stuff if you want. Anyway, DevCPP is still good for beginners, have nice IDE and integrated debugger and is simple and installation is small compared to MSVC. Probably all what is needed is to download and compile GSL yourself in DevCpp to make it work, maybe I will do it later.
[quote author=mr.ore
List of some event names in code:
event::red
event::black
event::even
event::odd
event::small
event::big
Dozens and columns are indexed from zero, dozen(0) menas first dozen and so on
dozen(0) dozen(1) dozen(2)
column(0) column(1) column(2)
number(x)
these may not work properly in you use them with bad number, sixline(2) does not exists, but program do not care
sixline(1) ....
corner(1) ...
street(1) ...
split(1) ...
[/quote]
What is "small" and "big" I'm not familiar with the language you speak of? Much as sometimes I see unfamiliar abreviations.
And now simple tutorial for topcat888:
Put this code just under the comment // END OF MARTINGALE, ...
class MyTracker : public RouletteSystem {
protected:
public:
virtual void reset(){
}
virtual void placeBets() {
}
virtual void evaluateBets() {
}
};
and in makeSystem comment out with // that martingal like this
//system.addSubSystem(new Martingale());
and add under it
system.addSubSystem(new MyTracker());
This is the the simplest existing system, it does nothing. If you compile compile it fith CTRL+F9 and run with F9, nothing will be happening, you will be able to input number and end it with -1, but no writes.
What is it doing?
There are three methods:
1. reset() { <your code here> } will be executed once when application starts. There you MUST set your variables to have some value. You can call this method from the other two methods with reset(); if you wanted reset of your system later again.
2. placeBets() { <your code here> } will be executed before spin, ie. before you enter number in. You bet your bets here. You can add some text output here what you need to see before you make real spin and enter the number to tracker.
3. evaluateBets() { <your code here> } will be executed after spin, there you know, if your bets won or lost, and you can change your bets here or reset(); and such things.
The structure of the programme looks like this:
reset();
while (!quit) {
placeBets(); spin(); evaluateBets(); // repeats them in this order until not quit of application
}
Now lets say you wanted to track what happened on dozens and write info about it, then you can change code in placeBets() like this:
virtual void placeBets() {
if ( is_event(event::number(0)) ) {
printf("# Z\n"); // printf("xxx"); prints xxx to console
} else if ( is_event(event::dozen(0)) ) {
printf("# L\n"); // \n means new line after we write what is before
} else if ( is_event(event::dozen(1)) ) {
printf("# M\n");
} else if ( is_event(event::dozen(2)) ) {
printf("# H\n");
}
}
Final code for recapitulation:
class MyTracker : public RouletteSystem {
protected:
public:
virtual void reset() {
}
virtual void placeBets() {
if ( is_event(event::number(0)) ) {
printf("# Z\n");
} else if ( is_event(event::dozen(0)) ) {
printf("# L\n");
} else if ( is_event(event::dozen(1)) ) {
printf("# M\n");
} else if ( is_event(event::dozen(2)) ) {
printf("# H\n");
}
}
virtual void evaluateBets() {
}
};
/*!
* There you create your system from more systems if needed.
*/
void makeSystem(roulette::RouletteSystemSupervisor &system) {
using namespace roulette;
// add your martingale as only subsystem
// system.addSubSystem(new Martingale());
system.addSubSystem(new MyTracker());
}
You got your tracker. Try it and try also that javascript, do both, it's best way to learn.
BTW. I recommend to disable Smart Tabs in Editor options ind DevCpp, they really do weird things.
Dear Mr. Ore,
Taking the time to help a fellow member of the forum is quite nice of you :good:
I do agree with C++ for a simple reason: once you get used to C++, being a multipurpose language, you have it for mostly everything you want to make. From CGI applications to scripts/trackers and everything else.
It may take a while more to code but it does get the job done.
When thinking a bit, my proposed javascript tracker may be a stretch as topcat wanted a .exe, but no matter what language is used, what is important is end-user satisfaction ;) Programmers should never forget about that.
...Feel free to use whatever approach you wish topcat, anyway is good, as long as you have your coding job achieved.
Regards.
There is a function
bool is_event(event::<xxx>) which returns true if the event is true according to last number entered, false otherwise.
In C++ there is construction:
if ( condition ) {
do something
}
or
if ( condition ) {
do something
} else {
do something else
}
or generally
if ( condition 1) {
<do something>
}else if ( condition 2) {
<do something else 2>
}else if ( condition 3) {
<do something else 3>
} else {
<do something else>
}
if condition is numerically equal to zero, then it is false, otherwise it is true, ie. 0 is false, 1,-1,123 are all logicaly true.
With function you can check what happened.
There is another function, bet_event(event::<xxx>, amount) and some more variations of it. You call it in placeBets() { <...> }
in each spin, if you call bet_even
m_BetX_ID = bet_event(event::<xxx>, amount) ;
unique id is given to the bet, first bet gets 0, second 1, and so on.
in evaluateBets() { <...> } you can use function
bet_won(ID) which returns true if bet with that id won, else false
because IDs are each spin counted from zero, if you do not do some bet in placeBets(), you should set it's ID to -1, otherwise you could end up asking to result of absolutely different bet. Simply: just set your bets id's in the beginning of makeBets() to -1.
With this, look at the martingale example, and try to understand it.
As far as run rev goes it starts out free. nolinks://revmedia.runrev.com/beginners-guide/how-it-works/ (nolinks://revmedia.runrev.com/beginners-guide/how-it-works/)
If you plan on using it for further work it is great for CGI, web applications, and cross platform deployment of stand alone applications.
Here is a sim coded & pasted into a simple button that produces results in a text field:
on mouseUp
put "" into field "f1"
put "" into wowie
repeat with n = 1 to 100
put "" into y
repeat with x = 1 to 38
put random(37) into z
if z is among the items of y then
put z & "," after y
exit repeat
end if
put z & "," after y
end repeat
put the number of items in y into wow
put y & " -- " & wow & return after wowie
end repeat
put wowie into field "f1"
end mouseUp
Here are some results:
16,34,15,35,29,34, -- 6
2,32,25,28,5,17,8,9,24,31,21,32, -- 12
32,22,21,1,36,12,23,10,37,9,15,15, -- 12
12,3,30,1,31,1, -- 6
23,31,33,32,27,37,31, -- 7
24,7,19,22,30,19, -- 6
23,20,12,9,3,24,20, -- 7
23,35,22,13,33,33, -- 6
4,21,25,3,20,2,31,19,30,36,37,11,18,6,32,31, -- 16
34,4,27,30,1,27, -- 6
22,25,31,36,5,34,15,8,34, -- 9
19,23,36,31,28,29,8,12,37,35,8, -- 11
20,29,9,26,37,33,24,7,36,4,2,26, -- 12
8,2,36,14,10,35,30,35, -- 8
34,12,23,12, -- 4
2,35,26,35, -- 4
34,30,22,9,6,27,1,16,17,3,36,21,34, -- 13
28,1,24,24, -- 4
30,29,21,22,33,10,7,18,20,18, -- 10
28,6,15,24,15, -- 5
30,30, -- 2
32,24,32, -- 3
12,5,6,13,34,5, -- 6
21,9,32,14,37,5,16,2,26,12,1,9, -- 12
13,4,5,5, -- 4
32,21,16,11,36,15,19,1,35,16, -- 10
36,8,20,20, -- 4
27,1,19,21,24,37,20,31,20, -- 9
2,27,1,12,29,24,15,3,11,28,10,9,3, -- 13
21,9,5,26,37,30,14,37, -- 8
8,23,18,26,31,26, -- 6
10,5,36,18,30,7,4,12,22,7, -- 10
31,32,23,23, -- 4
6,6, -- 2
29,2,30,13,35,27,28,27, -- 8
3,13,35,37,30,30, -- 6
12,1,18,4,29,16,36,20,24,3,12, -- 11
35,28,20,18,12,9,31,8,6,11,12, -- 11
18,26,28,5,28, -- 5
4,8,19,12,30,14,36,9,16,2,13,14, -- 12
15,26,25,29,3,28,30,1,13,12,25, -- 11
23,36,21,16,6,17,26,35,2,9,3,10,37,5,23, -- 15
24,19,5,23,6,20,28,19, -- 8
28,19,32,29,2,8,9,14,13,18,30,6,33,17,2, -- 15
36,14,4,31,36, -- 5
31,25,1,8,26,24,1, -- 7
11,21,16,34,28,1,9,20,10,34, -- 10
33,26,18,33, -- 4
16,11,13,15,26,22,10,31,25,8,25, -- 11
29,3,22,27,8,25,16,7,34,22, -- 10
33,14,20,5,27,35,37,16,22,3,28,28, -- 12
14,7,33,15,32,30,9,35,7, -- 9
37,22,25,11,26,27,36,31,18,29,4,2,22, -- 13
36,14,28,7,3,36, -- 6
22,37,32,5,27,32, -- 6
17,7,19,2,34,29,8,6,28,34, -- 10
24,21,21, -- 3
12,34,30,22,10,14,5,21,11,23,15,12, -- 12
36,24,17,16,5,23,26,19,11,12,34,4,36, -- 13
25,6,13,22,23,18,7,36,24,20,4,12,7, -- 13
26,34,23,1,3,19,7,27,33,23, -- 10
1,5,13,5, -- 4
19,26,11,29,23,12,17,36,16,34,17, -- 11
21,8,19,15,5,22,15, -- 7
28,13,16,32,22,12,13, -- 7
18,15,13,6,33,17,24,34,15, -- 9
12,5,24,15,16,28,31,2,16, -- 9
4,34,4, -- 3
4,26,37,5,7,14,3,31,30,30, -- 10
32,14,18,29,34,6,31,13,37,25,31, -- 11
20,20, -- 2
15,35,4,33,21,17,7,25,24,11,33, -- 11
30,37,30, -- 3
19,37,21,25,32,12,13,6,27,2,16,32, -- 12
20,14,13,22,4,37,10,2,14, -- 9
18,25,5,9,32,35,16,31,24,24, -- 10
13,13, -- 2
14,31,5,35,8,14, -- 6
12,34,21,14,19,23,4,17,19, -- 9
22,36,5,22, -- 4
7,23,8,32,32, -- 5
5,7,8,13,37,4,11,31,22,10,14,17,12,9,23,17, -- 16
8,7,20,24,22,31,1,1, -- 8
23,25,34,30,35,4,17,1,8,15,21,2,33,9,21, -- 15
35,30,8,19,30, -- 5
8,11,17,25,10,19,15,27,1,7,12,25, -- 12
20,2,20, -- 3
7,23,34,30,13,29,18,20,31,35,2,23, -- 12
21,4,1,3,37,19,24,19, -- 8
13,3,22,8,36,13, -- 6
5,15,24,1,9,2,35,36,5, -- 9
16,32,25,1,22,29,25, -- 7
8,21,18,28,17,16,28, -- 7
16,34,24,17,30,1,17, -- 7
15,32,33,15, -- 4
36,21,4,27,3,32,15,16,16, -- 9
18,28,29,25,8,9,31,37,8, -- 9
25,34,9,29,28,34, -- 6
6,2,29,28,11,14,24,24, -- 8
11,10,33,21,23,27,21, -- 7
Quote from: VLSrouletteI do agree with C++ for a simple reason: once you get used to C++, being a multipurpose language, you have it for mostly everything you want to make. From CGI applications to scripts/trackers and everything else.
That's true, but it isn't the only general-purpose language, and it's far from being the easiest to learn. For topcat's purposes it's a sledgehammer to crack a nut. The syntax of runrev looks quite readable and intuitive (like Euphoria), unlike C/C++. Even computer science students don't start learning something as hard as C++ straight away, back in my day you would start off with Pascal, then maybe move on to C (not sure what they do these days, Java seems to be very popular). With C++ you have all the object-oriented stuff to learn, on top of the unintuitive syntax. And if you want to create a GUI, you have to write a lot of code to even produce a blank window. C/C++ are quite "low-level" languages, great for writing drivers and operating systems, but something higher level is better for GUI Apps.
nolinks://nolinks.rapideuphoria.com/c.htm (nolinks://nolinks.rapideuphoria.com/c.htm)
Anyway, let us know how you get on. Don't give up too soon, programming has quite a steep learning curve, but once you "get it" you might find yourself hooked! ;)
Crikey never meant to start this..! :-[
mr.ore I have tried some of what you said and will continue when I have bit more time, thanks for your effort. To everyone else thank you for your suggestions and advice, I understand about the sledgehammer and I'm going to spend some 'quiet' time going through it all, see where I get from there...
Cheers
TC
My advice is Delphi. Its what I use to create all my program. There is a free version out witch is very good. Its called Turbo Delphi. Also theres alot of video tutorials that teach you hot to code with it. Here's the link
nolinks://blogs.embarcadero.com/nickhodges/2006/08/15/26687 (nolinks://blogs.embarcadero.com/nickhodges/2006/08/15/26687)
All the best
A program I have been using to make my bots is called Autoit, my background is in PHP/MySql, Autoit was fairly easy to get into as it is MADE to run and interact with windoze. Not sure if I can paste their address so just go google "Autoit" the forum is also very helpfull.