Who can show the WORST bet selection method possible? Is it possible to show a method that performs worse than the -2.7%?
Thats very easy. Just play Zero and figures together consequently without progression!
The BR will be gone in no time..lol
Cheers
/Compa
/Compa
What is this: "Zero and figures together"? I understand Zero but not "Zero and figures together".
Sam
Great question Lohnro, :thumbsup:
the first thought that came into my head was.
all our bankroll on 1 number 1spin bet.
but consistantly would this still be a -2.7% house adge. i guess so. ???
mattjono
Quote from: TwoCatSam on April 09, 2009, 10:39:13 AM
/Compa
What is this: "Zero and figures together"? I understand Zero but not "Zero and figures together".
Sam
The figures are you know like 1.10.19.28/2.11.20.29.. and so on.
So just pick any Figure and play that and the Zero. I gurantee you have a Major losing bet..LOL
If we cannot find a bet the losses more than expected, how can we find a bet that wins more than expected?
Quote from: Philc on April 10, 2009, 07:03:46 AM
Lohnro, looks like someones calling you an idiot.
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I HAVE TOLD YOU THAT FORUMS HAVE "NUTTERS" AND NOW ON VLS ONE OF THE SENIOR MODERATORS HAS STARTED A "THREAD....ASKING FOR "A NON-CONSISTENT LOSING BET" ?
THINK ABOUT IT....MORE PROOF! ...AND THE IDIOTS ARE ACTUALLY VERY "INTERESTED IN THIS ABSOLUTE CONTRADICTION. ?
IT WOULD BE FUNNY.....BUT IT IS TRUE!!!! NO WONDER THEY NEED NEW IDIOTS TO JOIN......ALL THOSE WHO HAVE BRAINS LEAVE QUICK.
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But I know you meant A CONSISTENT LOSING BET.
LOL...........water off a duck's back here.........some people take things way too seriously. Yes, I do mean a CONSISTENT LOSING BET!
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Well if you could find a consistant losingbet you bet opposite to find consistant winning bet goes without saying actually but we win or lose according to the casino edge on whatever game we are playing unless you playing the LW and LW is al to do with timing
Regards Rodney
Now finding an consistent losing bet has nothing to do with it because there just don't exist as an static bet selection that will overcome any thing other then it will jump up and down.
I believe that if some one want to gain any kind of edge then there is VB and Bias.
Not so sure about DS do because the element of good conditions and predict is to close to your average static bet selection.
Well I more into that it exist and positive edge.
Like Laurance Scott says it ain't so hard to get an positive edge, 10% using light VB with DS, but it will still hurt you when fluctuation kicks in with an low edge like that.
Well that is public information.
Well some famous gamblers do claim having an edge above 15% and doing well with an loss ratio of 25%.
LS
Lohnro, physically speaking, there ARE consistent negative/losing bets.
I.e. negative bias numbers. Those which donate hit rate to the positive biased ones which hit above their rate.
I.e. a fret has physical trais which makes ball bounce a bit harder and makes the ball land at neighbours.
Also, there are ways to develop "Negative Visual Ballistic" by giving you a deeper NEGATIVE edge aiming at the worst spot for ball hitting the least hit point in ball scatter distribution, the least hitting diamond, etc. aiming at the very worst conditions and on those wheels with "proper conditions" you will succeed giving you a larger negative edge.
But who would like to put money on negative bias / negatve ballistic methods? :o
I know this is just for the "sake" of it, don't worry, I know nobody will :)
I found a tilted wheel in Crown casino Melbourne a few years back i went to bed come back the next day the casino had fixed it up :'( guess all the casino needs is a level :(
Quote from: Compa on April 09, 2009, 06:21:28 AM
Thats very easy. Just play Zero and figures together consequently without progression!
The BR will be gone in no time..lol
Cheers
/Compa
So playing against this figures should give you edge?
Compa's idea of figures might not be so bad idea.
If a number is spun play that numbers figure. Next number play that number's figure and so forth. Might just turn out to be a consistant looser lol.
Example: 27 (Now play 9,18,27,36)
13 (Play 4,13,22,31)
17 (Play 8,17,26,35)
3 (Play 3,12,21,30)
19 (Play 1,10,19,28)
15 (Play 6,15,24,33)
25 (Play 7,16,25,34)
So b2b would be bad I guess.
Worth testing though. Sure as hell didn't work out as a winner lol.
Cheers
Jakk
How about divide something and when one thing is left and all the others has hit with in expectation and one left that has not hit with in expectation then you play this one.
This way you can win 20 to 50 bets in a row flat betting if it goes for sleep a very long time or if they close come back the next day and continue.
You can name it the very next thing is for this one to hit but does it?
LS
QuoteHow about divide something and when one thing is left and all the others has hit with in expectation and one left that has not hit with in expectation then you play this one.
This way you can win 20 to 50 bets in a row flat betting if it goes for sleep a very long time or if they close come back the next day and continue.
You can name it the very next thing is for this one to hit but does it?
LS
Well i will also post some results soon :thumbsup:
LS
OMG that was a good idea >:D
Made a short test:
Well its groups of 3 LL LW W and this below is just how the groups win or lose.
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Cheers LS
Quote from: Philc on April 13, 2009, 03:00:26 PM
I have a flat bet that I tested over 26 sessions, it won only 2!
And the 2 that won were not really good winners. The 24 that lost were pretty bad losers, way above the house 2.7%.
I've attached results if anyone is interested, up to now it seems no-one really is. ::)
Any comments please?
Cheers, Phil
Wow Phil, that is REALLY bad! :thumbsup: What were you doing?
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Hi Lohnro,
The bet is described here:
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/bet-selection/finding-a-consistent-winning-roulette-bet/msg44924/#msg44924 (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/bet-selection/finding-a-consistent-winning-roulette-bet/msg44924/#msg44924)
Tested with an excel spreadsheet provided by Ozshabs, only thing is the results are so bad that I'm beginning to wonder if the excel formulas are 100%, just waiting for Ozshabs to get back to me.
I'll let you know when he does, hopefully to confirm its rubbish
Cheers,
phil
Hi Philc
I have retested the excel sheet and the formulas are working as per the rules mentioned in your post. Have you been using the updated one? The first one had issues dealing with 0, however, the second one is free of that issue.
Regards
The only consistently losing bets that I can think of is to bet 37 or 38 different numbers on the same spin. I guess betting all 3 dozens, R/B, O/E, L/H, etc, might also qualify (over a longer period of spins).
Originally, I thought to capture the "runs and changes (but not all), the bet might be -
Last spin is 22, so bet Black, Even and High (for the run to continue) with (for the change) Column 3, with 8 Reds/4 Blacks and Dozen 1, being the change from High (well 12/18). If any 3 won then I was in profit, but it failed miserably!
Mocco
Quote from: hoper35 on April 16, 2009, 12:29:21 AM
The only consistently losing bets that I can think of is to bet 37 or 38 different numbers on the same spin. I guess betting all 3 dozens, R/B, O/E, L/H, etc, might also qualify (over a longer period of spins).
Hi hopper35,
For sure they are all losing bets, but how do they lose less than expected?
Here's one I sometimes walk around the casino and play for fun...not.
I've never given it a proper test, but I swear I have been able to lose for hours on end doing this.
Watch the dozens 1-2-3 & the columns A-B-C.
You are waiting to see any dozen hit once, followed by either of the two remaining dozens to hit twice in a row. You then focus on the remaining dozen.
You do this with the columns at the same time.
You only bet when an overlap occurs with the remaining dozen/column, so that there will be 4 numbers to bet on.
Ignore the zero when tracking.
Example:
Spin results> 1,17,20
1 is dozen 1 column A.
17 is dozen 2 column B.
20 is dozen 2 column B.
Now dozen 3 column C becomes the intersected target zone, numbers 27,30,33,36.
Bet only once, splits or straight up or eventually both.
Track as above continuously for betting opportunities betting only once on each occasion, and play a suitably daft progression for 4 numbers.
I call it, "The Old 123".
It really sucks...good luck.