Finding the Elusive Winning Bet

[goldfinger]

I think we should all post something we know about the roulette board and the game itself to perhaps learn how to WIN from each other.  I'll start with the basics that we all know(or should).

Facts:

1st   column = 6 reds + 6 blacks
2nd  column = 4 reds + 8 blacks
3rd  column = 8 reds + 4 blacks

Red + Black = 18 numbers each.... but ?

Red + Odd     =  10 numbers 
Red + Even    = 8 numbers 
Black + even  = 10 numbers 
Black + Odd  = 8 numbers

10 of the 20 red+odd+black+even  are in the 1st Dozen 
8 of the 10 red+odd       are in the 1st+3rd Columns
8 of the 10 black+even  are in the 1st+2nd Columns

Only 1 black+odd  is in the 1st Dozen
Only 1 red+even    is in the 1st Dozen
Only 2 red+odd       are in the 2nd Column
Only 2 black+even  are in the 3rd Column

There are 9 single numbers(10 if you count the zero as a single)
There are 10 numbers in the teens.
There are 10 numbers in the twenty's.
There are 7 numbers in the thirty's.

In my opinion if we choose to bet the layed out bets set up for Gamblers, such as Even/Odd, Black/Red, High/Low etc. .  we are giving up odds to the Casino.  So better to bet on numbers or streets or splits or blocks of 4 ect. .

There are movements on the board wich are common and uncommon.  Common must be something like red or black,
even or odd high or low(the same as the GAMBLER's bet).  What would be uncommon moves?

Lets try to add some things to help each other to WIN

[VLSroulette]

Lets try to add some things to help each other to WIN

Good starting point for a productive thread.

Thank you Goldfinger.

[casinopitbull]

   PLUS  THIS            Roulette produces random results:

   1.  Roulette  series results

   2.  Roulette  mixed results

   3.  Roulette  cross combination results





Lets continue with proven facts like this. Lets deal with each of those "killer" traps.

SERIES RESULTS:

Because roulette is random it means that anything can happen and at anytime within the parameters of the game. Because it is random it throws up colours, numbers, dozens, even bets, and blocks in short and longer series. This results in a "pattern" that you may recognise. A good lesson to look at these patterns, because it will teach your brain how to think about roulette

However you will not find a consistent winning bet within any of the series simply because you will never know when the change comes. This kind of bet is often touted by the roulette system sharks. You will lose...twice.

MIXED RESULTS:

These are the kind that jump all over the table or wheel. Look closely and of course you can see patterns of a kind too. Ie. abccbaabcabcdca ...etc. Same rules as above apply.

CROSS COMBINATION RESULTS:

This is probably the area where there is the most confusion, and perfect for the sharks to sell you a system. There is no such thing as "Cross combination results" They are simply past results that anyone can say...look at how many reds followed high etc.etc. It is wide open to impress you with what's looks clever.  I have to cover this crap because so many "experts" and "sellers" all over the Internet use this.

They are all traps you use, and lose. You have to set your own trap that consistently traps more winners than losers.

[WARRIOR]

Hi goldfinger good post on the gamblers bet in my opinion what ever you bet on the out side you can bet on the inside your payout is the same the odds don't change,but if you bet for ex. a street bet flat bet only and you follow the street as it come out for 11 times now you take advantage of the odds just have to caculate how many spins you need to be in profit meaning you target  and the key is how often do the streets reapeat over lets say a session of 100 spins and do that any bet .all the best.

[goldfinger]

There is a larger game of roulette (ex:the complete board).
There is also a mini game in roulette(ex:dozens)
There are many movements in the larger game.
There are less movements in the mini game.
I believe if we focus on the mini game, study its movements, and apply that statergy to the entire board we can then become a WINNER.

[goldfinger]

Thanks for that post Charles. Yes the odds are still the same, but short term manipulation looks to me a bit better on the inside game. For ex:we think a red even may come up so...
We Place 1 unit on Red and 1 unit on Even or
We place 1 unit on all the Red numbers plus 1 unit on all the Even numbers

If a Red Even number comes up we win 2 units on the outside bet and win only .3 units on the inside game(assuming 28 bets=1 unit) but...
If a Red Odd comes up we break even on the outside game and still win only .3 units on the inside game
If a Black Even comes up we break even on the outside game and win .3 unit on the inside game(assuming 28 bets=1 unit)
If a Black Odd comes up we lose 2 units on the outside game an lose 1 unit on the inside game.

So there are 3 ways to win on the inside game and 1 way to lose and..
There is only 1 way to win on the outside game and 1 way to lose.

It just appears to me that we a lot better control wih the inside bets if we have a consistent bet.

[Herb]

Guys,

Please understand, this is nothing more than some constructive criticism.  I'm not here to hijack your thread either.  This will likely be my one and only post in it.

1. There are no patterns that you can exploit.
2. You're not going to win over the long run betting on the outside.
3. There isn't a consistent winning bet based on a flaw in the table layout.
4. Everything you've discussed so far is based on gambler's fallacy.

You're spinning your wheels.  If you want to win, attack the gaming device, not the game.  Quit covering the same ground over and over. 

If you really want to win. ( I mean really get the edge.)  Read the casino management guides written by people like Steve Forte and Bill Zender.  Learn what worries casino managers.  Find out what keeps them awake at night.  Attend casino risk seminars each year.  Gain real insight into winning.

Regards,

Herb                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              /.\

[Davemd]

Hi Herb,
          read your above reply and found it interesting.

Have had a search on the web for info but can only find info on card counting,nothing related to roulette,

was wondering if you could tell me where to look,

                                                                 Regards,

                                                                            Davemd.   

[Homeito]

Hello,

Davemd...

I found this article about DS and sector-shooting.
(It is a bit old)
nolinks://nolinks.blackjackforumonline.com/content/roulettesteeringorsectionshooting.htm

I do not know what to believe.
This guy is working for the casinos so he may not say that such things exists, I think.
And he really try to convince you that Lawrence is wrong... Maybe trying a bit too hard for me to think it is the truth...
(Maybe a bit desperate?)


Herb...

Do you know if Lawrence really is as wrong as the author claims?


Best regards
Homeito Bemek
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[Herb]

To be quite honest, the guy in the BJ article doesn't know much about roulette or wheel design and wear.

[Number Six]

^^ Maybe he knows a lot but is making it seem like he knows nothing...? Maybe he knows nothing but is making it seem like he knows a lot...?
As a casino person, he obviously has a reason for writing that article. I doubt he's trying to help people win. Is VB useful without DS? And is DS useful without VB? What does this have to do with a winning bet? Is digressing a form of disruption?

[gizmotron]

   PLUS  THIS            Roulette produces random results:

   1.  Roulette  series results

...
SERIES RESULTS:

Because roulette is random it means that anything can happen and at anytime within the parameters of the game. Because it is random it throws up colours, numbers, dozens, even bets, and blocks in short and longer series. This results in a "pattern" that you may recognise. A good lesson to look at these patterns, because it will teach your brain how to think about roulette

However you will not find a consistent winning bet within any of the series simply because you will never know when the change comes. This kind of bet is often touted by the roulette system sharks. You will lose...twice.

"because you will never know when the change comes. "

Is that the whole truth and the only truth that there must be?  (You will never know when the changes come.)  You most assuredly will know while it is happening and when it ends. That has to be sure, or you would not even know of series phenomenon in the first place. Wouldn't it be useful to know how to exploit changes by testing the possibility that the change you want has begun. Wouldn't it benefit you to take a small chance to win a big amount. I don't have a problem imagining such conditions to take advantage of the beginning of profitable change.

[Mr Chips]

Herb

I have repeatedly told you that I have won with an EC system over a number of years and I don't happen to make up such
an assertion. Also a number of people are testing 4Selecta and no one to date has conclusively shown this to fail in the long
term. I am currently testing 5 and 10 select spins for the 4Selecta, which up to that stage is completely mechanical.
 
Hopefully at some stage this can be programmed and the results will be made available here.
 
No one objects to you having an opinion, but that is all it is, not a fact. It is my opinion that gamblers fallacy is itself a fallacy,
otherwise it would be impossible to make consistent profits over a number of years. Don't say it's luck, as that really pushes
the boundary of incredulity.
 
Regards

Mr Chips

[goldfinger]

Like that post Herb.
Just to clarify things a bit: I also don't believe there is any flaws with the board but there may be certain things we can do to win more than we lose.
I also don't think as much about a bet as I do in the way to play a bet.
Ex: the bet has to follow rules and prob will change every spin, but ours rules to play will always remain the same.

I also would like the check out that book on casino managent but don;t know if spending 200.00 is worth it or not. Can anyone tell me if the roulette section contains any worthwile material or will it just deal wiht Dealer Sig and or slieght of hand or electronic cheating? The very name of the book seems to point to these types of things.

Last point is if we can not find a betting style that wins based upon randomness and or commonsense and only focus on VB and or DS, then we have alot of nonsense here and on any roulette forum and we should really focus on those issues only(DS & VB). Could we have some more of that?

I feel that all critisism is only constructive.

Cheers

[Herb]

Mr. Chips,

  Right now, it appears that it's working for you because you haven't run very many trials. 





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[Herb]

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