Introduction to Markov Chains

[winkel]

hi bloom,

thats correct: 13 bets with 2 numbers = -26
two wins in the next ball +72
total: +46

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winkel

[bloomone2002]

hi bloom,

thats correct: 13 bets with 2 numbers = -26
two wins in the next ball +72
total: +46

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winkel

Ah, I get it thanks Winkel. I will test it some more.
What about the other variation, see JLP's sample session in reply #21. Should we only bet the next spin only in that method also? In that case we had 7 opportunities with 2 hits.
Bloom

[winkel]

That´s it, bloom.

I know it´s a long game with long waitings for the signal. Therefore it is winning.
If you´re going to press the win, you will be caught in senseless Progressions.

Our last Check with 5.833.056 Coups we found up to 143times no win!

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winkel

[winkel]

That´s it, bloom.

I know it´s a long game with long waitings for the signal. Therefore it is winning.
If you´re going to press the win, you will be caught in senseless Progressions.

Our last Check with 5.833.056 Coups we found up to 143times no win!

br
winkel

[bloomone2002]

That´s it, bloom.

I know it´s a long game with long waitings for the signal. Therefore it is winning.
If you´re going to press the win, you will be caught in senseless Progressions.

Our last Check with 5.833.056 Coups we found up to 143times no win! (what do you mean? I am in the US, what do you mean by this figure 5.833.056? what do you mean by coups?)

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winkel

Bloom

[winkel]

We have a Pool of about 10 million balls(coups) which were played in European Casinos or Online-Casinos such as GlobalPlayer(closed down) and others using RNG.

In this pool we found 5,833,056 million Situation of Markov Chain which were virtually played.
We´ve listed the length from start to success(win).

look her for complete list:
nolinks://nolinks.roulette-board.de/index.php?showtopic=6597&view=findpost&p=102727

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winkel

[bloomone2002]

So, i guess you are saying that the numbers you are betting on to win, could skip up to 148 spins without a hit? and because of that dont chase the numbers beyond one spin.
Bloom

[winkel]

Hi bloom,

you got it.

still in discussion is to play 2 following balls, because they follow the Markov-Chain-idea:
Number -> any -> number > leads to -> any -> number

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winkel

[bloomone2002]

Ok, please keep us updated when your discussions have been finalized. or if you have more details to share about it maybe some of the experience players here can add to the discussion

[straight-talker]

I have tested this for a few days in my spare time and I have to say it is no world beater, like a lot of systems it can win rapidly. As gamblers we like to look on the bright side. Unfortunately if a system can have a sharp upturn, then the reverse is true as well. I would put Turbo's latest effort into the same basket. I don't know know many players who would take a bankroll to the casino and see it vanish rapidly while sitting there calm and collected knowing that it is just a sharp downturn.
The guy Arte makes the very valid point.  The winning player has a game which hovers around the zero. His skill and gameplan will win him a few units more often than not and then he quits with a profit. Boring eh?.... The money in the bank Frank. The casino will hate you for it. But the wife will still be talking to you when you get home.

Straight-talker.

[winkel]

@straight-talker

people all around the world seem to be the same.
They come to a forum with subject roulette and await a long-time-always-winning system with money-back-guarantee. Some wish the the bankroll is included.

All who are interested (as a puzzle-game) in roulette know: there has nothing been found so far.
And if it has been found, it wouldn´t be written here or anywhere, cause the holder would play all night and day. He would not read posts like yours.

Some people go to forums with subject motor-bikes. But no one awaits a free bike that runs 500miles an hour with using no gas, no insurance needed and if you have an accident you will always survive unharmed.

As you can read above all are testing and thinkng about this idea. Nobody said its working for sure and is the "world beater".

By the way: Do you have one?

it would help much more if you tell what you have tested. How many balls, what did you take as trigger, did you use progression a.s.o.

That it doesn´t work we already know. But what i know: it is fun to play in moments where i have to wait for another game´s trigger.

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winkel

[straight-talker]

@Winkel,

I am not here looking for the 100% guarantee   it does not exist, well not to my knowledge anyhow. As for me I spent many years trying to figure out the 'puzzle'. Great minds must think alike because I came up with something almost identical to this idea many moons ago.
Do I have the "world beater" No, I play my own method which tends to focus what is going on at the wheel, I bet three double lanes which turns it into an even money bet. I use a positive progression. It takes advantage of the unequal distribution of the wheel. There are times when you get a very equal spread, but then I leave it alone. This is where the fake bettor idea comes in useful. There are very similar ideas to mine on here, the only difference is that I would say my bet selection is unique.
I tested your method posted above extensively, I don't intend to spend an hour writing it all down when I can just tell you it failed. In honesty it shows the mind of a gambler, because I will never need to change the way I play at the moment and yet I still went fishing. GREED our biggest enemy. This is just my opinion, but playing a volatile method opens you up to getting hooked on the game of roulette, it brings the highs and lows. If you want to be a long term winner, you are better avoiding this if you can. I will say it again, boring eh?....... But then I am on the right side. I don't play all day every hour god sends. I don't need to, the casino will be there waiting for me whenever I feel like going and playing and winning.

straight-talker

[TwoCatSam]

Winkel

I understand the concept: 23 any 25......that's the trigger.  (One of them.)

Now, are you saying this is a single-bet system?  I bet one time and wait for another trigger?

If anything makes a profit, it's a world-beater....in my opinion.

Why, straight, do we search for better?  It is the human nature.  It's why we don't still ride around on horses or live in caves.

Sam

[TwoCatSam]

What we need to know is this:

Of the 5 million + spins, what was the hit rate on the one spin that was played?  How many times did you lose 5, 6, or seven units and how many times did you win?

Did you win more than you lost?  

Are you saying either 5, 6, or 7 numbers slept for 148 spins?

Sam

[winkel]

I just notice, that I mixed up the figures:

Once again:
Balls checked: 5833056
therein found: Situation 17 - any - 17 (repeating Numbers) > 166375
bet: e.g. 16-17-18 total 3 No.

ignore the first row its just the number of the line used in Excel
"lfd" is the ball-Nr. which won.

4             100,00%      166.375
5      lfd      %      
6      1      8,05%      13393
7      2      7,51%      12492
8      3      6,87%      11429
9      4      6,26%      10421
10      5      5,76%      9590
11      6      5,30%      8820
12      7      4,95%      8242
13      8      4,36%      7247
14      9      4,10%      6818
15      10      3,73%      6214
16      11      3,46%      5760
17      12      3,18%      5294
18      13      2,94%      4891
19      14      2,66%      4424
20      15      2,56%      4255
21      16      2,34%      3896
22      17      2,11%      3504
23      18      1,92%      3195
24      19      1,85%      3072
25      20      1,65%      2744
26      21      1,49%      2474
27      22      1,36%      2270
28      23      1,21%      2010
29      24      1,17%      1943
30      25      1,10%      1838
31      26      0,98%      1634
32      27      0,87%      1451
33      28      0,84%      1390
34      29      0,74%      1229
35      30      0,70%      1160
36      31      0,62%      1038
37      32      0,60%      1002
38      33      0,55%      917
39      34      0,52%      869
40      35      0,47%      775
41      36      0,44%      732
42      37      0,37%      614
43      38      0,33%      553
44      39      0,32%      539
45      40      0,32%      533
46      41      0,27%      451
47      42      0,26%      437
48      43      0,23%      388
49      44      0,21%      346
50      45      0,20%      337
51      46      0,17%      290
52      47      0,17%      279
53      48      0,16%      259
54      49      0,13%      212
55      50      0,14%      238
56      51      0,12%      202
57      52      0,10%      169
58      53      0,10%      166
59      54      0,09%      144
60      55      0,06%      107
61      56      0,08%      139
62      57      0,07%      113
63      58      0,07%      121
64      59      0,06%      98
65      60      0,05%      90
66      61      0,05%      85
67      62      0,05%      78
68      63      0,05%      86
69      64      0,04%      69
70      65      0,03%      44
71      66      0,04%      70
72      67      0,03%      52
73      68      0,04%      62
74      69      0,03%      42
75      70      0,03%      46
76      71      0,02%      37
77      72      0,02%      30
78      73      0,02%      25
79      74      0,01%      24
80      75      0,02%      26
81      76      0,01%      19
82      77      0,01%      24
83      78      0,01%      18
84      79      0,01%      20
85      80      0,01%      20
86      81      0,01%      18
87      82      0,01%      15
88      83      0,01%      20
89      84      0,01%      23
90      85      0,01%      14
91      86      0,01%      9
92      87      0,01%      11
93      88      0,01%      13
94      89      0,01%      12
95      90      0,01%      12
96      91      0,00%      8
97      92      0,00%      4
98      93      0,00%      4
99      94      0,00%      6
100      95      0,01%      9
101      96      0,00%      6
102      97      0,00%      4
103      98      0,00%      3
104      99      0,00%      3
105      100      0,00%      5
106      101      0,00%      5
107      102      0,00%      3
108      103      0,00%      2
109      104      0,00%      5
110      105      0,00%      0
111      106      0,00%      1
112      107      0,00%      3
113      108      0,00%      1
114      109      0,00%      1
115      110      0,00%      3
116      111      0,00%      1
117      112      0,00%      2
118      113      0,00%      0
119      114      0,00%      0
120      115      0,00%      1
121      116      0,00%      1
122      117      0,00%      0
123      118      0,00%      2
124      119      0,00%      0
125      120      0,00%      0
126      121      0,00%      1
127      122      0,00%      1
128      123      0,00%      1
129      124      0,00%      1
130      125      0,00%      0
131      126      0,00%      0
132      127      0,00%      0
133      128      0,00%      1
134      129      0,00%      1
135      130      0,00%      0
136      131      0,00%      0
137      132      0,00%      0
138      133      0,00%      0
139      134      0,00%      1
140      135      0,00%      0
141      136      0,00%      1
142      137      0,00%      0
143      138      0,00%      0
144      139      0,00%      0
145      140      0,00%      0
146      141      0,00%      0
147      142      0,00%      0
148      143      0,00%      2

and another list and variation of betting:

in the case of e.g. 21 - any - 23
numbers bet e.g.: 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 total 7 No.
balls checked: 9517119
found: 592412
won in first ball following: 111707
average for 7 No. set: 18.92%
average won in first: 18.86%
complete List:

3                           Coups      9.517.119
4                           100,00%      592.412
5      lfd      W             %      Angriffe
6      1      18,92%             18,86%      111707
7      2      15,34%             15,28%      90495
8      3      12,44%             12,42%      73575
9      4      10,08%             10,00%      59254
10      5      8,18%             8,16%      48320
11      6      6,63%             6,66%      39432
12      7      5,38%             5,39%      31949
13      8      4,36%             4,37%      25917
14      9      3,53%             3,54%      20999
15      10      2,87%             2,87%      17031
16      11      2,32%             2,34%      13871
17      12      1,88%             1,90%      11274
18      13      1,53%             1,55%      9207
19      14      1,24%             1,25%      7418
20      15      1,00%             1,02%      6038
21      16      0,81%             0,85%      5011
22      17      0,66%             0,65%      3877
23      18      0,54%             0,53%      3135
24      19      0,43%             0,43%      2572
25      20      0,35%             0,37%      2181
26      21      0,29%             0,29%      1704
27      22      0,23%             0,24%      1409
28      23      0,19%             0,19%      1142
29      24      0,15%             0,17%      992
30      25      0,12%             0,13%      757
31      26      0,10%             0,10%      590
32      27      0,08%             0,08%      452
33      28      0,07%             0,07%      395
34      29      0,05%             0,06%      349
35      30      0,04%             0,04%      261
36      31      0,04%             0,04%      214
37      32      0,03%             0,03%      168
38      33      0,02%             0,02%      143
39      34      0,02%             0,02%      120
40      35      0,02%             0,01%      87
41      36      0,01%             0,01%      69
42      37      0,01%             0,01%      60
43      38      0,01%             0,01%      41
44      39      0,01%             0,01%      36
45      40      0,01%             0,00%      23
46      41      0,00%             0,00%      22
47      42      0,00%             0,00%      25
48      43      0,00%             0,00%      15
49      44      0,00%             0,00%      13
50      45      0,00%             0,00%      12
51      46      0,00%             0,00%      14
52      47      0,00%             0,00%      7
53      48      0,00%             0,00%      6
54      49      0,00%             0,00%      6
55      50      0,00%             0,00%      3
56      51      0,00%             0,00%      1
57      52      0,00%             0,00%      2
58      53      0,00%             0,00%      2
59      54      0,00%             0,00%      1
60      55      0,00%             0,00%      0
61      56      0,00%             0,00%      1
62      57      0,00%             0,00%      1
63      58      0,00%             0,00%      1
64      59      0,00%             0,00%      3
65      60      0,00%             0,00%      0
66      61      0,00%             0,00%      0
67      62      0,00%             0,00%      1
68      63      0,00%             0,00%      0
69      64      0,00%             0,00%      0
70      65      0,00%             0,00%      0
71      66      0,00%             0,00%      0
72      67      0,00%             0,00%      0
73      68      0,00%             0,00%      1

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[winkel]

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