How about something a bit different, I am retired now and have a lot of spare time on my hands. The nearest casino to me is about an hour away and I don't have the enthusiasm for getting there that I had a few years back.
I play a grinding system that returns me a regular income. Now it is easy for anybody to say what I just did and not have to proof it on the internet.
So I will go to a live casino online everyday and make my profit. I will set a six month target for +1000 units.
The rules are that I can't play a negative progression. I can only make 1 initial investment of 100 units.
As I play, and you see that I am winning, if there is a way that some of you can copy my bet, then feel free to do so.
Also is there any other rules that you think should apply for this challenge.
Other forumites have proposed this and never delivered the goods, but I am for real and will achieve my target.
straight-talker.
Hi talker , i have to admit that is very agressive target with only 100 on bankroll....
It mean that you have a method with no bad periods since is very easy to get one bigger than that bankroll.....
I wish you the best will be amazing to see you reach your goal!
I will like to get in the match but man........ im not the right opponent , i can not hold the game with just 100 chips! simple amazing!
Hello Swarm :D
Some members will think I am a fruitcake :o
It is not that amazing, 100 units is a lot of chips. I just don't like throwing them around.
In the last 3/5 years of playing I never go to a casino with more than 100 units.
Most of the time I win with my initial buyin of 20 units and never have to go further.
Bet selection and knowing when to bet is ALL important.
I am not claiming a 70% hit rate ;) or anything like that, but I hold my own nicely.
As for the bad periods, I don't allow myself to play them. My game and mind are both equally strong.
straight-talker.
Also remember that I will get casino bonus and play with their money as well, I really like that idea :thumbsup:
My attack is an even money bet comprised of three chips placed on three seperate sets of 6 numbers.
1-6
7-12
13-18
19-24
25-30
31-36
I have what I would describe as a unique way to arrive at the unequal distribution of one of my even money bets.
That is 50% of it. The other 50% involves playing at what I consider to be the right time.
It has worked for so long that there are only two possibilities.
1. I have found a way to take advantage over unequal distribution.
2. I am the luckiest gambler alive ;D
I am pretty sure however that 1 is the answer.
I have read all the people who say roulette can never be beat. I don't buy into that and if I did I am sure I would not be winning at the game.
unequal distribution ??? i dont get that :o
hey you will accept right now a friendly real time round?
I will use 100 units too , using my skydive game model :D
if the answer is yes , add me on msn ;D
I hope im on the level , with my slow motion falling ;)
Unequal distribution.
Let us imagine that we go to the casino and we watch the dealer spin the ball 100 times.
The 1st dozen appears 25 times, the 2nd dozen appears 25 times and the 3rd dozen appears 50 times. That is an unequal distribution because the average for each one should be 33.33% or thereabouts.
Now it never really works out to the excact % and there is unequal distribution running riot throughout the game of roulette. Isolating it and trying to take advantage of it is one of the key elements to a winning gameplan in my humble opinion.
I have found a way to isolate the unequal distribution which creates an even money bet for me to play. The trick then is knowing when to bet it and when to stay off it or even do the complete opposite and bet against it :D Many possibilities to grind a few units.
Well because you explain about your system i have to do it too...
I will be using a kind of pivot system but with personal adds on it that make it "out of normal".....
And very flexible ...
Flat bets only low target on the round
Well that if the friendly real time round get done of course. :)
That sound very interesting !
but im still trying to understand it all! :o
Having looked at all the available live online casinos, I have decided to go with nolinks.liveroulette.com.
I like these and consider them to be genuine. They are on the television most nights where people can phone up and bet over the phone or you can log onto the website and play there.
The thing I really like about it is that you get 2 and a half minutes per spin. At a later date when people see that I am for real, this could allow me to relay my bets so that others could profit as well.
I just have one question for people that play online as this will be my first attempt.
They say to qualify for the bonus which is a 100% match, I have to wager 40x the bonus.
So as an example, if I deposit £50 and get a £50 bonus, would I be right in saying that I would need to wager £2000 before I was entitled to retain my winnings.
I have read many people say that people should not take a bonus, in my case I would be silly not to. I am not going to lose, and I am going to grind out the +1000 units within 6 months. So really I would be silly not to play with their money as well.
I will register with them today and get my account up and running. This will be exciting for me, I feel like a little schoolboy heading off for his first day ;D
I was just going through the fine print of the terms and conditions for the bonus. Who ever said that there is no such thing as a free lunch was right. ::)
You have to go through your initial deposit 40x within the first 60 days and then they deposit your bonus into your account. :'(
It will be touch and go if I can wager 2000 units over 60 days, I may just do it. My attack at times incorporates a positive progression, so that will probably help me just reach the target.
That only makes me more determined now to roll my sleeves up and kick ass. :thumbsup:
I will start tonight. Might as well get playing and work towards my 1000 units.
I am not going to cheat, however human nature what it is, some will think I am up to it. >:( shame on you!
So I will give one person on here my account details and that will prove things are above board.
They can check in when they like and validate that what I report regarding my playing is bona-fide and also that I am not depositing more funds. I will go for anybody that is respected on here.
So once again the rules are the following.
1. I can only invest 100 units PERIOD to achieve the +1000 units.
2. I must achieve this within 6 months.
3. I am not allowed to use a negative progression.
4. My bet must ALWAYS consist of 3 bets of 6 numbers.
I have talked a lot, now time for the action :)
straight-talker.
Yeah, Talker if you are not in a hurry, plan to have a very active wagering account and plan to have a positive unit account and you are playing on a reputable live casino, then you can take advantage of register for the bonus. It appears that you meet all the qualifications by your post.
Which brings me to my assessment. You remind of someone, I dont see what it is you have to prove to yourself or anyone on this forum. Everyone on this thread starts with a clean slate of belief, unless given a reason no to believe. So personally, I believe you can do the things you say. You say you been doing this for 3-5 years, so certainly it would appear you have nothing to prove for yourself. So your challenge makes no sense to me and is not necessary for public display. I've just being straight. Do what you do for yourself. If you would like to share, then share how to play the game details. Also, for US players as myself this becomes even less of interest because we/I cannot follow along and place your bets.
Also, as far as others playing your system, it would make more sense to give others instructions on how to play, then just following aimlessly along with your bets even if you are winning. To follow someone in ignorance without question or understanding is extreme ignorance and irresponsible. I dont thing that many responsible players on here who looking for improving their game through review, evaluation and testing will have the time or interest to follow your activities, til you are ready to share your details.
This doesnt appear to be a challenge. If it is a challenge you are looking for join the challenge thread or share the details of system so that others can review and prove it or challenge themselves and maybe challenge each other.
The keys to learning are diverse and vary for many. It is by instruction, description, example and application.
Bloom
QuoteUnequal distribution.
Let us imagine that we go to the casino and we watch the dealer spin the ball 100 times.
The 1st dozen appears 25 times, the 2nd dozen appears 25 times and the 3rd dozen appears 50 times. That is an unequal distribution because the average for each one should be 33.33% or thereabouts.
Now it never really works out to the excact % and there is unequal distribution running riot throughout the game of roulette. Isolating it and trying to take advantage of it is one of the key elements to a winning gameplan in my humble opinion.
I have found a way to isolate the unequal distribution which creates an even money bet for me to play. The trick then is knowing when to bet it and when to stay off it or even do the complete opposite and bet against it :D Many possibilities to grind a few units.
Your system explaination to this point is clear to me. I would need to know the detail of the next step which is your last statement in the quote of which I've bolded.
How you isolate th unequal distribution to create the even money bets to bet
The application of knowing when to bet
The application of knowing when to stay off
The application of knowing when to do the complete and bet against it
The many possiblities fo grind a few units.
This explainations would be very useful. Talker.
Also, I sent you a PM a couple days ago.
Thanks
Bloom
You are right Bloom to ask why I need to prove this. Many people on gambling forums say they have a good roulette game and that they never or hardly lose, then when someone asks them to prove it, they become silent. I like this forum and hope to post a lot. I have a winning game and I aim to show the forum that you can win consistently and make good profits from roulette. I will explain all the details when I am ready. I understand people are not going to be hanging out every day to see what happens with my bets. I hope people check from time to time to see how I am doing. It will serve the purpose to show that people who use discipline and control in their betting are not wasting their time and can actually win from a live casino. I consider that a good enough reason to carry on with what I propose.
Well thanks, for the Straight answer. You have good reasons to like this forum because it is not like many others out there. There are a lot of positive, creative, intelligent and sharing individuals of likeminded goals on here. Also, there are plenty of players on here that have proven there systems or methods to be successful so why not join the club. I appreciate your reply, respect it and applaud your effort. All the best in your challenge. I will peek from time to time when I can, especially when the meat of the matter is shared. I am patient and a determine player. Heck, I've never played live yet, because, I want to make sure I am confident that I have an opportunity to win consistently and profit by my effort. I am a perfectionist of sorts as I believe most of us on here are. My approach to the game has vastly improved by extensive research, evaluation, testing and support from others of which I am thankful. Though, I will speak only for myself. This is certainly not for everyone. I will cherish a consistently profitable system that exercises the skill of discipline and control, because it builds character and success. I have already given you the benefit of success without doubt that you will do well.
Bloom
Sorry im late........ I dont think i can follow this one , Straight ,on live i mean , is because the difference on the clocks , im on california :o
It look like some one else have to take the challenge!
Players Raise your hands!
Anyway i will keep and eye on this post im hoping to learn always!
I played my first session tonight. I held off for a few days because I wanted to spend time reading Victor and lanky's ideas regarding the LW method since my approach is a bit of the same. I am glad I did, I think I actually improved my game to a level which is amazing. I can't thank you 2 guys enough. Absolutely awesome.
After tonight my starting investment of £100 is now sitting at £130.00.
Technically however I have broken the rules I proposed from the start. I will explain how below.
I play a positive progression, depending on the situation I may go for anything from a run of 3 to a run of 5. I tend to start of looking for 3 and then if things are going really well and I am in profit, I can get a bit more extravagant.
So if my first bet is a £3.00 and it wins, I get back £6.00.
My second bet is now £6.00 and it wins so I get back £12.00.
Now my third bet would be £12.00 to win £24.00. But now I will put another £3.00 out on the three groups of 6 numbers that I am not playing. Doing it this way means if one them group of 6 numbers come in I get my £3.00 bet back plus the original £3.00 from my progression bet. There will be times when zero comes in but that is going to happen now and then.
I like this added feature of my game and there are a few other new tricks I incorporate now thanks to some inspiration from reading some of the posts on here.
The game run really smooth for me and I look forward to my next session.
straight-talker.
I will give a more detailed account here regarding the cover bet. I don't start playing the cover bet before the third bet in my positive progression.
1. £3.00 returns £6.00
2. £6.00 returns £12.00
3. £12.00 returns £24.00 but here I also put out another £3.00 (£1.00 each on the other three groups of 6 numbers) If one of them hits, I get back £6.00 which is my stake back plus the original stake from my positive progression bet which resets me at 0.
4. £24.00 returns £48.00 Now I place a cover bet of £6.00.
5. £48.00 returns £96.00 Now I place a cover bet of £12.00. So if the £12.00 cover bet wins, I get back the £12.00 cover bet, plus another £12.00 which covers the earlier £6.00 cover bet, £3.00 cover bet and the original £3.00 bet for the positive progression. This resets me back to 0. If a zero did appear then I have to take it on the chin but it is not a big loss and I can recoup later.
straight-talker.
Hello straight-talker, and All.
This is my first post here - after lurking for a long time.
I feel I have to jump in to help, as you are wasting your money!
Why do you bet like this - the cover-bets I mean? I am confused... ;)
The results will be exactly the same if you bet 3x3 instead of 3x4 + 3x1 on the third bet if anything but Zero hits.
And if Zero hits you will still be at a 0-loss instead of -6.
This is your bets and wins if a "main" group wins the third bet:
-3 +6 = +3
-6 +12 = +6
-15 +24 = +9
Result: +18
My proposition:
-3 +6 = +3
-6 +12 = +6
-9 +18 = +9
Result: +18 (Same as yours)
This is your bets and wins if a "secondary" group wins the third bet:
-3 +6 = +3
-6 +12 = +6
-15 +6 = -9
Result: 0
My proposition:
-3 +6 = +3
-6 +12 = +6
-9 +0 = -9
Result: 0 (Same as yours)
And this is your bets and wins if ZERO hits the third bet:
-3 +6 = +3
-6 +12 = +6
-15 +0 = -15
Result: -6
My proposition:
-3 +6 = +3
-6 +12 = +6
-9 +0 = -9 <===
Result: 0 <===
This saves you 6 units in this case and makes no difference in the other cases.
The rest of your bets should also be modified (subtract the cover-bets from the main bets)...
This is what will happen if the Zero hits at your very last bet, betting your way:
(3x1) -3 +6 = +3
(3x2) -6 +12 = +6
(3x4 + 3x1) -15 +24 = +9
(3x8 + 3x2) -30 +48 = +18
(3x16 + 3x4) -60 +0 = -60 :(
Result: -24 :'(
My proposition:
(3x1) -3 +6 = +3
(3x2) -6 +12 = +6
(3x3) -9 +18 = +9 (same)
(3x6) -18 +36 = +18 (same)
(3x12) -36 +0 = -36 <<=== >:(
Result: 0 <<== 8-)
A great article covering this topic:
nolinks://xerxx.se/oops/main/reading/rr000010.html
Have a nice week-end, all
KFS
Hello Kon-Fu-Sed, Thank you for your post. I have spent the morning reading it and re-reading it :D all them figures hurt my head this early. You are right and that seems like a much better way to play and it will save me in the long run. My idea seemed like a good one at the time ::)
When the zero does show, playing your way will save me some money and help towards keeping my bank safe.
I really appreciate you taking out the time to write that up and give a good explanation of how it works. :thumbsup:
Welcome to the forum Kon-Fu-Sed, this place has a lot of good posts from seasoned roulette players.
I hope we can all keep learning from each other.
straight-talker.
Great to be able to help.
I learned it from that article many years ago. It was written in 2000 or maybe even earlier.
Credit to Oops!
:thumbsup:
KFS
Hello
Kon-Fu-Sed, [smiley=welcome/welcome.gif] to the family.
I would totally love to mirror oops site, but then I found this:
QuoteThe copyright notice (at bottom of all pages) says ..."and may not be copied and/or distributed by any"... I HEREBY GRANT YOU PERMISSION TO COPY a page, as long as you do not give it away (i.e. it's OK to copy [highlight]for your own personal use[/highlight]). All on this site is for free; you may download/print the zipped files but please: spread the URL nolinks://xerxx.se/oops/, not the tables!
nolinks://xerxx.se/oops/main/legal.html
Wanted to make a mirror to help the awareness of his works and have a backup copy shall the original site ever go down, but better to honor his wishes.
Hi Victor, and All,
I know of one guy who wants to buy (yes pay for) the site and sign a contract that none of Oops' texts would be altered in any way but they refused when he asked them.
I also know that they had an illegal mirror site closed although it simply was a mirror on their own old .nu-URL...
And some cut-and-paste jobs of whole articles have been traced down - they were replaced by links.
I think they are a bit protective...
The company hosting the site seems to be alive so I don't think we have to worry...
Anyway... Let's do what he asked: Spread the link
nolinks://xerxx.se/oops :thumbsup:
Regards,
KFS