Haven't posted for a long time, but view this site frequently. Hi to everyone!
Been playing and studying roulette for 11 years now. AND HAVE COME TO THE CONCLUSION that no one has looked at this game from the perspective of the VORTICES, created over a number of spins to produce a situation, where from measuring, from a physics angle, a predicted path to where the ball will land within a 12 spin cycle.
Rather than areas of low pressure say in the case of fluids and the objects moving within it being attracting toward the centre. Energy fields similar to those created in a gyro are established over a short of time over a few spins of the ball spinning within the roulette wheel and from there measurements taken to predict strong outcome/s within the next 12 spins.
Roulette may appear a random game to many and a lot believe a previous spin cannot affect the next according to probabilty, BUT this is not true when looked at from a physics perspective and especially where fields are created similar/like energy/ magnetic fields (or like a black hole) that literally suck the roulette ball and engulf it into its predetermined position on the wheel.
This is food for thought, and exciting revelations are there, for those who are prepared to study this phenomena
All the Best
Rocky
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I'd like to hear more...........
Hi Rocky,
Feel free to elaborate.
You have an audience :)
If these forces exist and are noticeably impacting on the roulette outcomes then there must also exist a relatively simple and practical way to identify & chart the effects of this behavior.
If it's not relatively simple & practical then you are back to computer programs and electronic applications, which do not suit the vast majority of players.
this is interesting. I remember some concept which i did not find in detail anywhere, it was like
studying route of ball from pocket to pocket and connect it somehow to the "most suitable routes" as if it was a bus driving from a point to another point.
i did no understand anything exactly and did no find any info, just mentioning it.
Thankyou everyone I respect your thoughts, you're close iggiv, knowing the most common drop off points (so to speak) for the path of each number is half the key to this PHENOMENA.
The other half of the equation to this, is knowing, the least likely drop off point after the ball is spun,
and when combined with given specific points on the wheel where the ball at the same time is being attracted to (after observing a number of spins), RIGHT NEAR these areas, is a position the ball is sucked into, right next to the one of the most common drop off positions (like being sucked into a black hole so to speak). This is usually explained as a near missby most without this knowledge.
To summarise simply, the ball falls predominately into pocket/s of least drop off point, right next to strong drop off point pockets (these being narrowed to 3 or 4 ideally). The reason I say predominantly is that I've had a situation at the bottom of the wheel where there were two strong (almost the same in strength) attracting areas with corresponding black holes next to them equidistant apart and the ball has landed between the two areas TWICE (either side of the black holes or least likely drop off points).
But as one remarked earlier THIS may not be practical for most, as there are many long and labouriously hours, months and years of analysis and research to come up with the correct data, with many tests done.
My intention was to expand others thinking and possibilities of other options to approach the roulette wheel, thus, why I put it under this SECTION and seems iggiv has heard of similar concept.
I appreciate you all sharing.
Regards Rocky
Yes bombus you are right, there is a way to chart these things if you have a very very slow table, because there is quite a lot of charting to be done by hand, ( comparing data and analysis leading to a final decision) racing and sweating before the next spin.
And with the jostling at tables depending on the time of day ( the loud music, beers being spilt, people wanting to know what you're doing , especially the eye in the sky, etc).
Something like, learning visual ballistics may be more practical for most and a practical skill they will always have.
VB is not an easy stuff. U have to move very quickly within couple of seconds before "no more bets" and still making calculations inside your heads on the go.
Visual ballistics is not difficult once mastered, it's actually very easy. Your major efforts are evaluating how far the ball is landing from your visual prediction, establishing the long term variable's.
is it so, Red? i've heard that very few people in the world have really mastered it. At least
Frank Scoblete (well known roulette book author) gave up Laurance Scott's stuff.
Yes it is so. The information you gathered is not quite correct. Visual ballistics is one of the TWO custom variants, casinos are aware of TWO of them and that's VB and Wheel bias.
So as you can appreciate, VB is used as a common method for overcoming the house edge. The simple reality is far far from "very few people in the world have really mastered it."
OK thanx
Rocky, everything affects everything. Model the relationships in a practical way. The relationship is very fluid. The dynamic nature of roulette is not modeled by traditional advantage play like vb. What you have described is right up my alley. I've been saying it for a long time. Its not a matter of mere theory. It is all fact, but you need a practical way to exploit it.
Read the book "living energies" by callum coats.
here it is:
nolinks://bearcy.com/9/6viktor.pdf
but can u apply it to roulette, Steve?
by the way u know that another "vls" forum is down?
rfcc was down because of server loading of two other sites of mine on same account. Fixed now.
Yes that is the right book. Hell yes, I have applied it to roulette. Some of the lessons in the book are part of the picture in that everything affects everything. But the application to roulette is the modeling between variables and spin outcome - a dynamic relationship.
Thanks very much Steve, I've had a quick look at the contents and Ch 1-4 and 21 look of most interest, I'll endeavour to read these soon and leave this thread for now.
I summise that you really know your stuff Steve and imagine that what you've developed and sell, .i.e. Genuine Winner, must be a quality product.
Cheers for now
Rocky
I read some of Viktor Schauberger's life story early this morning, the last months of his life, how VERY sad.
From what I can pick up, he produced these marvelous inventions of which he was either scamed, lied to and deceived into loosing the credit and royalites and vast sums that came from the sales of them in some cases.
In the end he foolishly signed over all of his rights to all of his work and any future discoveries and inventions he may make and also was not to discuss any of it with anybody. He soon realised his folly and within 5 days of returning from America to his native Austria he died realising everything he had done was for nothing.
You can see that even if someone had the Roulette Grail out there, you would never know, because if it was revealed as in the example of Viktor's life of revealing it to many devious and unscrupulous greedy vultures and he not being discreet, prudent and showing wisdom, his great contribution ended in selfish ruthless hands. Its a fascinating read to say the least!
I'll endeavour to read more and as you say Steve you have already implemented things you have gleaned from this book in developing and applying things to your discoveries pertaining to Roulette,(Roulette Computers) congratulations and well done. I see you have possibly learnt the lessons Viktor made and have put in place measures where you maintain control over your intellectual property. I can see why Steve after reading about Viktor.
Cheers Rocky
You cant own physics, but if you release too much information, people tend to copy your ideas and claim them as their own. also we dont want casinos to know how beatable roulette is. They know about traditional advantage play and roulette computers. Many casinos now have sensors that measure ball and rotor speed to simulate roulette computer predictions so they can look at a player's bets and compare them with the simulated computer bets. A basic roulette computer algorithm is explained at nolinks://nolinks.roulettecomputers.com/algorithm.html (nolinks://nolinks.roulettecomputers.com/algorithm.html) and its what most computers use. Advanced computers tend to have much higher accuracy, and inadvertently are also more covert because they dont have the same predictions as BASIC roulette computer predictions. Contrary to what you may think, casinos dont have the knowledge or tools to take advantage of full wheel physics. Its not because they cant, its because they can easily rely on detection of consistent winners anyway. Plus they hire consultants that only need to make money by showing there is a threat with just basic methods. Why would they need to do a better job? It doesn't mean more money for them. The people who rely on profiting from roulette as a player are the ones that know best. one particular consultant has said things that shows he really doesn't know better.
Still some people teach basic vb and sell basic computers and claim they have nasa technology. if you want a place where you can learn basic stuff and be surrounded by those who think it is advanced, try rp. If casinos knew more about more advanced methods, they would be better equipped to identify the players, and better able to protect their money. We dont want that.
The majority of what I've learned will only ever be applied by software running on my servers at roulettewheelanalysis.com and on my private pc. More of it is being applied by the server over time but either way it is thoroughly protected. For one thing, the coding itself is not hosted at roulettewheelanalysis.com. at times I have been criticized for keeping things too close to my chest, but most players appreciate this once we develop trust between us and they are taught more
what viktor developed was much more important. His concern for IP protection and profit did get him in trouble. Money attracts a bad crowd. I know people that have workable technology for energy development and in medicine, but dont want to share it. The best way imo is to openly release it via the internet for others to replicate, without concern for profit. There are other issues with energy research though - if everyone had the ability for unlimited free energy, it would be weaponized. It is no different to nuclear weapons except it is much easier to produce for the average person.
If I had the key to limitless power, part of me would want to openly release it, but part of me wouldnt want to release it because it is not deserved. And it is not safe in the hands of 'kids'. Now we're getting into other areas, but I'll finish by saying free energy technology must come after maturity and progress, not before. And we as a species are damn stupid. Big things are going to need to happen for learning. We are right in a sharp learning stage but things are about to get even steeper.
It's what I've always said.
As a race we are not yet ready for free unlimited energy and utopian ideals.
Still too stupid!... maybe in another few centuries or millennia.
Seriously, stupid (ignorant) people are my pet hate. They are everywhere. I dont mean people who are not academic or good at maths. I mean people who have the truth and information in front of them but are too stupid, arrogant, ignorant and damn well blind to see it, but are really convinced they know best. Its infuriating to see how stupid people can be. Drop a huge bomb on them is what I say - just worthless stupid people that let themselves become that way. Stupid people are not just on forums, competitors, my three stooges or whatever - they are everywhere - I mean roughly 1/2 of people, and then there's the 1 in 5 that really has no idea. Maybe 1 in 50 has a reasonable enough idea of what is happening which is much better than virtually no-one 50 or so years ago, so change is happening. The 'elite' see 'us' as cattle. I used to think they were wrong and evil people, but the fact of the matter is people allow it all to happen to themselves. We all have choice. They see it is rail-roading which is their right, which is true as nature is "survival of the fittest", and they just let us make our own stupid decisions.
Sure what they do is wrong in from my perspective evil, but it does in no way remove our own responsibility for ourselves. Many people whinge about the elite, the banks, the nwo etc.. but they dont see they are a part of it.
what were we talking about again? .. ah, roulette. Little ball and wheel. Not that hard to predict. its fun, but relatively unimportant
Quote from: Steve on April 18, 2012, 02:08:05 AM
...Drop a huge bomb on them is what I say...
aawh... that's a bit rough! :lol:
Quote from: Steve on April 18, 2012, 02:08:05 AM
... relatively unimportant...
So is the whole planet and everything on it. :thumbsup:
Quoteaawh... that's a bit rough!
Perhaps, but hard to argue it wouldnt be somewhat gratifying >:D
QuoteSo is the whole planet and everything on it.
Very true, but easy to forget.
Harmartia Paradox
Another way of looking at either roulette or certain types of investing is discovered in an Ancient Greek writing 2347 years ago by Aristotle. In his forgotten book "Aristotle Poetics" a 'Harmartia Paradox" can be another way to look at a trading position or roulette outcome situation. Although Harmartia is only mentioned twice and has nothing to do with financial action, it refers to an "error in judgment" described as a characters fatal flaw. The fatal flaw is group think and herd mentality.
Making the same decisions as everyone else while under great stress. If everyone is thinking alike, someone isn't thinking. We generally follow what everyone does. For that reason we are hardwired to follow the moves of the majority.
What harmartia refers to is an "error in judgment" made by the hero of the play. "The hero might attempt to achieve objective x. But by making an error in judgment he achieves the opposite with disastrous consequences. By repeating a predictable Biological response every time in a given situation, we can stop and analyse either ourselves or a group and by discovering the trigger (i.e. study when the biological response occurs), do the opposite and percentage wise, come out ahead.
In a lot of these situations, by being aware of this, we can correct the error in thinking and determine a success outcome more times than not. Another way of looking at things.
Cheers Rocky
Yes Steve, modelling for variables and spin outcome........
I give examples of this in the 'main Board " section under "what the wheel is throwing out on any particular spin" paraphrased...... concerning hunting zero from pages 30 to 33 on that thread.
Observing the phenomenia and interconnectedness of the relationship of certain numbers and their spin outcomes! as viktor observed everything affects everything else in its environment, for us even the roulette wheel.
Cheers Rocky
Viktor certainly a genius