Instructions for
G.U.T. CLINICAL BET ADVISOR v1.0
Available for download in the members' area - filename "gutcba10.zip".
Only one html-file.
This is the inteface at start-up:
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START A NEW SESSION (RESET):
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Click the * RESET * button.
(Do NOT use your browser's "re-load" for this.)
EVERYTHING will be reset including the check-box options and input- and output-boxes when you click this button.
Basic handling - MANUAL INPUT:
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Click the hitting numbers in the lay-out.
Each click will generate a new line in the output:
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The line contains the following data:
* the current spin-number
* the hitting number
* if an advised bet was winning ("W") or losing ("L")
* the values of each of the five columns (how many numbers they contain)
When there is a trigger to bet, the out-put line will contain this additional data:
* which column is advised to bet
* the numbers in that column
* how many numbers it is
* the current bank-roll (starts at 0) if the advise is followed
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WHY IS THE OUTPUT IN REVERSE ORDER?
The first spin is at the bottom and the last spin is at the top! WHY?
(Check the spin-numbers in the above image)
Reason:
A box of more than 50 lines would be too high.
When printing a text that "overflows" a textarea it will automatically scroll to the top afterwards.
This is - IMHO - annoying as I have to scroll down for each input number, to see the current situation.
That is why the results are written bottom-to-top.
(There is a button to reverse the order - see below)
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You may input up to 50 numbers.
A mistake (or several) is corrected by the Cancel button.
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NOTE! If there are numbers in the input-box, the LAST number, and any characters following it, will be deleted regardless the value!
When the 50th line is written in the output, you will be alerted of "End of session"
After this, you have to start a new session.
Basic handling - AUTOMATC INPUT:
Copy-and-paste or enter numbers into the input-box.
You may input more than 50 numbers but only the first 50 will be used.
Click the Show the Spins button and all spins will be processed in one go.
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Everything will be RESET EXCEPT the check-box options and input-box when you click this button.
The output is the same as for the manual input of numbers.
Basic handling - SAVING THE OUTPUT:
This is html and JavaScript - it's not possible to write a file on your computer...
* Click the button marked CLICK HERE!, located immediately below the output-box.
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The output will be arranged in a top-to-bottom order and all text will be automatically selected (marked).
DO NOT click ANYWHERE in your browser as the text will then be de-selected (un-marked)!
* Press the keys <Ctrl> + "C" (PC) or <cmd> + "C" (Mac) to Copy the output
* Open a new text-document in a text-handling program (f ex Notepad)
* Press the keys <Ctrl> + "V" (PC) or <cmd>+"V" (mac) to insert the text into the text-document
* Save the text-document
You can save like this at any time.
When a new number is manually input the order will again be bottom-to-top.
Option: Checkbox "BET-ALERT"
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Checking this option will generate an alert whenever there is a trigger to bet.
You have to confirm the alert (click "OK") before anything else.
You may toggle this option on or off anytime.
It is not active (but may be checked) when numbers are run automatic.
Option: Checkbox "NO DBL-X":
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Checking this option will not show bet-signals where there are more than one crossing.
You may toggle this option on or off anytime.
Option: Checkbox "Check to add numbers to input"
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This option is used for mixed input (see below).
Checking this option will cause a manually entered number to be added last into the input-box.
You may toggle this option on or off anytime.
"Advanced" handling - MIXED INPUT:
You can for example start a session with less than 50 numbers in the input-box and click Show the Spins.
When the spins are processed, you can continue the session by manual input, up to spin 50.
If you have checked the Check to add numbers to input checkbox, all numbers you input will be added last into the input-box.
At session end (or when you like), it is now possible to make a Jump-Back:
(Save the output first, maybe?)
Delete the top 20 (f ex) numbers in the input-box and click Show the Spins.
By this, you have made a 30-spins jump back - if you had 50 spins and deleted 20.
Now you can continue the session by manual input... etc... etc...
You may also input all spins for a day, for example, and after the first session ends, you can delete the top and re-run the spins.
A jump-back was done...
Happy GUTting!
KFS
You won´t believe it!
I cant find the "Download-Area"
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HELP
There are a bar with links on it just under your avatar and info at the top of the screen..click on downloads there its 3rd from the right
btw KFS you are the man! tyvm :D
winkel
It's in the "Members download area".......
KFS
What a fine piece of work!! I can't wait to run some of my sessions through it and see how it compares. I may just throw my brain away (what little there is left of it) and use this exclusively.
Thanks and Merry Christmas.
May the good things of 2009 fall around you!
Sam
Hi gang,
I just run a test for fun on 32vegas live wheel using 0.10 chips.
My starting balance was 251.20 and the end balance after 50 spins was 256.50 that mean 53 units profit!
Maybe its beginners luck, but if I continue that way, then it wont be just fun.
WINKEL TCS and KFS thanks a lot for helping with GUT.
Now there is no excuse "I can't test GUT, it's a very difficult system".
Well done as allways ;)
THANK YOU!
KFS
Thank you very much
Nice piece of kit
TSK
All.......
When I made my movies, most of the time I attached the file Track4 produces. Go the the files and copy the numbers. Make sure there are no mistakes where I had to take out a number. If I did, it will say "Last number deleted" or some such. I think I took them all out, but I may have missed a few. If they are there edit out the number above the notation and the notation itself and use the delete key to put the column in alignment.
Anyway, copy the numbers into the program and use the comma and the down arrow. You can put in fifty commas before quick can get ready. You could probably also use the files from Spielbank. They just need to have a comma or something separating the numbers.
I am not going to test this software with real money at this time. I must stick with the Track4 and bet the way I have been. I will be sure to save at least fifty good numbers each trot and run them through the software to see how the two compare. I will most probably create a post in the testing area to test what I actually won vs what I would have won using the GUTCBA.
People, KFS has done us a whale of a job on this software. He deserves the courtesy of our testing it thoroughly.
Sam
Gave it one test of numbers from Wild Jack Live Dealer earlier today. Ended up -47 after 50 spins.
Ron.
This program is so easy to use, no more thinking involved at all, and early tests show positive results! Good job KFS!
4 tests on the 5,000 TCS's actuals of first 200 numbers were all positive.
numbers 1-50 = +98
numbers 51-100 = +38
numbers 101-150 = +30
numbers 151-200 = + 17
Total = + 183
Hi all,
It makes me happy that you like the program.
Please remember that I make NO claims for the
method - the script is a TESTING TOOL.
OK?
The
only claims I make are that the script precisely follows the rules posted here:
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/testing-zone/testing-g-u-t/345/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/testing-zone/testing-g-u-t/345/) (
Reply #347)
Nothing else.
(And if it doesn't I'll fix it)
Also note that there's an exception in Rule J that is new from yesterday.Sam wrote:
Quote
I am not going to test this software with real money at this time.
I fully agree!
And: If you use/test it or not - remember I really had fun just writing it!
To me; the challenge is the target (at least in this case, as I'll be checking
distances this Christmas).
:D
Have fun!
[highlight]And a Merry Christmas to ALL of you![/highlight]
KFS
PS. I just now saw the rating for the download... I'm... ...
Thanks! :)
Yes marry xmas all ;) (to the christians) :D
@All
again many many thanks to KFS.
But remember always using this nice thing:
these clinical test-rules are only made up for testing. It is not the game!
The G.U.T needs human decisions due to what I call "What is going on"
This tool by KFS allows everybody to watch when or why a 50-spin-trot is losing
Your decisions might be:
Stopping to play in a Plus
Stopping the game in a Minus
Bet or bet not a crossing due to the way it came up, where it came up
As KFS also proofed: betting every crossing over a long period will lead to -2,7%.
only
[highlight]Your decisions will make you win[/highlight]
These decisions can be made by logical examination not by "guessings"
These examinations you can make and learn by using this tool
and last but not least by watching the videos made by TwoCatSam, thanks for that again!
Fun to everyone
and
Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous New Year
br
winkel
Hi
21.12.08 +28
22.12.08 +18
22.12.08 +55
22.12.08 + 4
22.12.08 -47
22.12.08 -64
23.12.08 +38
23.12.08 -52
23.12.08 +18
Regards TSK
Gentlemen
Remember one thing: You take a trot of 100 numbers and you put in 1-50. Then you can put in 2-51 and then 3-52. Believe me, the difference can be quite amazing. When you jump back one number, it's like you're at a whole new table with whole new numbers.
Try it with one trot; you'll see.
Sam
Thank God it´s Christmas,
at least someone saw what jumping can change in the trot. ;)
so it is always better to jump than to hang on a losing trot or sweating over a double-crossing to bet
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winkel
YOU GUYS OWE IT TO WINKEL AND KFS TO WATCH THIS VIDEO
Hi guys and guts..
Sorry about that shout out, but please spend ten minutes or less and watch this video.
Sam
nolinks://nolinks.motionbox.com/external/hd_player/type=hd,video_uid=0a9cddb71919e6c487 (nolinks://nolinks.motionbox.com/external/hd_player/type=hd,video_uid=0a9cddb71919e6c487)
Great video, Sam,
From "Good grief" to "We're making bucks now"
;D
Just a small detail: You don't have to comma-separate the numbers.
The "separate by anything" really means that: a space, a character, line-brake - whatever.
Several of each... That's OK.
Mix as you like: As long as there are numbers in there, they will be found.
Consequently you can also write notes - as long as it's text-only ;)
/KFS
KFS
Leave it to me to find the hard way to do anything!!
Now guys and guts, you don't even have to comma-ize the thing; just cut and paste!
Thanks KFS
Sam
Well, I tried it the new way.
Just cut and paste and run the numbers. Then delete the top number and go again. Then delete..........
Fast Mother Goose!!
I have all my Track4 results files in a folder. Is there any way to upload the folder or must I upload each session individually?
Sam
nolinks://nolinks.youtube.com/watch?v=9aJTIbrGDzY (nolinks://nolinks.youtube.com/watch?v=9aJTIbrGDzY)
Sam,
Thank you.This is very informative.And thanks for the youtube version!!
TSK :)
You're welcome, TKS..
Just remember guys, no commas needed and just delete the top number.
Sam
Quote from: winkel on December 22, 2008, 11:54:28 AM
@All
But remember always using this nice thing:
these clinical test-rules are only made up for testing. It is not the game!
The G.U.T needs human decisions due to what I call "What is going on"
This tool by KFS allows everybody to watch when or why a 50-spin-trot is losing
Your decisions might be:
Stopping to play in a Plus
Stopping the game in a Minus
Bet or bet not a crossing due to the way it came up, where it came up
As KFS also proofed: betting every crossing over a long period will lead to -2,7%.
only
[highlight]Your decisions will make you win[/highlight]
These decisions can be made by logical examination not by "guessings"
These examinations you can make and learn by using this tool
and last but not least by watching the videos made by TwoCatSam, thanks for that again!
Fun to everyone
and
Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous New Year
br
winkel
Winkel,
If the GUT needs "human decisions" to work effectively, how do you explain your high profits in Touchbet, live wheel and RNG using the CLINICAL testing only, without any "human decisions?"
When you initially started your clinical testing you stated that you can consistantly win without any human decisions by simply betting every crossing. Are you taking this back? Are you admitting that over the long term this is not the case and you will eventually lose?
Hi madupz,
no I´m not taking back anything I said.
presenting a strategy claiming it wins on "human decision" would´nt be accepted, cause everybody would say it couldn´t be adapted.
so the strategy has to have a certain potential practicing it in a clinical test-way.
We have to face, as proven, that every betselection is facing the -2,7 in a long run.
so the strategy has to have a "rule" to see a losing streak and to get out of its way and have the guarantee, that you can get out of its way.
So I say again:
You can bet every crossing if there is a crossing
You will win and lose but win more than you lose
You can bet with mistakes it won´t change anything
If you are in doubt or a losing streak just jump or quit
This is what I said from the beginning, didn´t I?
G.U.T has the rules and the ability to raise your wins by:
playing it not for any certain number of spins
by starting at any point of a trot or permanence
by reducing losses and raising wins
Who needs iron rules will lose in the long run
Everybody who can read what is going on and react in "any way" will be succesful.
Anything else cannot create a Holy Grail.
This one is a Holy Grail
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winkel
Wow, such a staggering waste of time. It could have easily been avoided. Had you been less arrogant and taken the time to read and learn from people like Dr. Edward Thorp and others that have long since traveled this path before you, then you could have easily avoided this blunder. Do you remember people telling you that roulette is a game of independent trials?
In the future, rather than attacking people that are offering you advice, take the time to read and study what other people have written on the subject.
This one was definitely not a "Holy Grail".
Best of Luck.
-Herb
Quote from: TwoCatSam on December 22, 2008, 03:16:05 PM
You're welcome, TKS..
Just remember guys, no commas needed and just delete the top number.
Sam
TCS,
I did some testing on this with your numbers and in 2 sessions the results were over +30 profit when the "double bet" box was unchecked. When I ran the same exact numbers with the double bet bet box checked the result was -5 and -20.
So in these two sessions, the results were better when we only bet on one crossing even when there were a possible of more than one.
madupz4
As per my usual Samish self, I did not read much of the instructions, so I have no idea about "double bet". Guess I'd better go back and read the post!
Sam
Well now, winkel,
These are your own words from YOUR OWN thread regarding the clinical test and nothing else:
In reply #77 on: September 17, 2008, 12:49:06 PM you wrote:
But this is a [highlight]clinical test with iron rules[/highlight], just to show it wins more than it loses even [highlight]with no human interactions[/highlight]
In reply #194 on: October 13, 2008, 08:11:17 PM you wrote:
There may be times of losses, but long term it wins more often than it loses.
[highlight]this test is very clinical no gamblers intelligence in it.[/highlight]
And now you say it can't win without "human decision"?
Am I misunderstanding something?
/Kon-Fu-Sed
Hi KFS,
it must be my English, that I cannot explain this "contradiction"
1. G.U.T wins in the clinical way, but played "very long Term" it is bound to lose -2,7 as you proved.
2. As with other systems we have to find something "winning" first of all and then we have to look, how we can avoid running into losing streaks, which are the "normal way and following the statistical rules".
Some of my writings, I confess, are advertising as well.
And please notice: My explanations so far are still an "advanced way" of playing the G.U.T and not yet the "professional way".
with G.U.T and studying the trots, Roulette is still an game of independent trials, but you have the tools to change it to a game of skills.
Playing chess with Bobby Fisher and to win is luck. Except you studied the game and trained your skills like Kasparow or any other did.
br
winkel
Quotewith G.U.T and studying the trots, Roulette is still an game of independent trials, but you have the tools to change it to a game of skills.
Playing chess with Bobby Fisher and to win is luck. Except you studied the game and trained your skills like Kasparow or any other did.
The GUT doesn't enable you to change it to a game of skills either.
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@Mr. Chips,
Dr. Edward Thorp most certainly does address roulette systems in his book, "The Mathematics of Gambling".
THE MATHEMATICS OF GAMBLING
Copyright © 1984
by Dr. Edward O. Thorp
Guts and GUTsters......
OK, thanks to madupz4 I have two ways to test the GUTCBA. When--if ever--I get time to go back to betting, I will play the G.U.T. as I've done for the last month. Then, using the same numbers and my jump back point, I will see what the GUTCBA would have done betting one crossing and betting more than one crossing.
Anyone notice GUTCBA sounds like a monster ravaging Tokyo?
Now was that humor or was I being a b***h?
;D
Sam
Yes, we can see that is just pure luck that TwoCatSam and Winkel made some profits otherwise there must be rules, when jump back, when to bet or not, or bet double crossings and so on.
Quote from: Handsome1 on December 22, 2008, 06:12:30 PM
Yes, we can see that is just pure luck that TwoCatSam and Winkel made some profits ....
How do you see this?
Quote from: Handsome1 on December 22, 2008, 06:12:30 PM
... otherwise there must be rules, when jump back, when to bet or not, or bet double crossings and so on.
There are such rules! If you would be so kind to read, you would be able to see.
On the other hand I wrote: If someone needs iron rules he shouldn´t play this nor even continue to read about G.U.T
regards
winkel
OK, tell me the rules then. I have read a lot of this and watched TwoCatSam's videos and it does not sound very professional, if there says now I think to quit, because it is bad weather here in Oklahoma. Do I start to watch what kind of weather there is in Oklahoma, that I know when to quit.
Tell me the rules then. Do I play allways 50 spin, even I loose money all the time? Should I quit if I do not got hits to crossing/s. Why other people do not make money except you and TwoCatSam, if there are real rules?
QuoteSo I say again:
You can bet every crossing if there is a crossing
You will win and lose but win more than you lose
You can bet with mistakes it won´t change anything
If you are in doubt or a losing streak just jump or quit
This is what I said from the beginning, didn´t I?
G.U.T has the rules and the ability to raise your wins by:
playing it not for any certain number of spins
by starting at any point of a trot or permanence
by reducing losses and raising wins
Who needs iron rules will lose in the long run
Everybody who can read what is going on and react in "any way" will be succesful.
and again handsome:
I don´t press anyone to play this,
I don´t sell it
I am just presenting my idea
If you take the mickey out of it by saying thinks like
Quoteif there says now I think to quit, because it is bad weather here in Oklahoma. Do I start to watch what kind of weather there is in Oklahoma, that I know when to quit.
you are not able to get any idea out of it.
so please stop reading and making comments on it. Or are you just a friend or second Nick of Herb.
I know that you are pissed, because KFS just proved, that there is no clinical way to use this program. Anyone can make money just with the luck. If there are no rules or even some random rules, there is just a luck. I am just telling these facts to warn other people, that they do not loose money with this program. There is nothing personal for you Winkel.
Quotethese clinical test-rules are only made up for testing. It is not the game!
and the "program" is also not the game.
and other people not only TCS and me did prove it winning.
and I´m not pissed about what KFS did program or proof, because it is proving all i said til now.
Quotethat there is no clinical way to use this program.
that´s what I said from the beginning. i cannot see why this is now used against me.
QuoteIf there are no rules or even some random rules, there is just a luck.
And again: all rules you would like will lead a game to -2,7.
and think about it: all this luck is made by flat betting. there is til now no other game that produces flat-betting such "luck", or please tell me, I would be interested in it.
People who wanna "warn other people" are the badest people in the world if they are not able to give their warnings a proof.
Just telling: "Don´t do it", doesn´t even impress 4 year old children. and everyone who is playing Roulette knows, that it is luck.
So what is your warning adressed to?
Are you a Casino-Owner afraid of people playing this? Because you can´t do anything against this strategy.
Or isn´t it allowed to be more constructive and intelligent than you?
Look at that genius @herb and what he said here:
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/general-board/if-this-is-possible-then-finding-the-holy-grail-is-a-piece-of-cake!/msg31523/#msg31523 (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/general-board/if-this-is-possible-then-finding-the-holy-grail-is-a-piece-of-cake!/msg31523/#msg31523)
He doesn´t even know, that this is used daily to optimize the relation between content and material needed to make a container for the content. (sorry for not knowing the english expressions for that. e.g. soup in a tin)
regards
winkel
QuoteI am amateur roulette player and bought couple days ago roulette raid 4
Did you write this?
you are just pissed to have had spent money for nothing and having G.U.T for free.
>:D >:D >:D >:D
QuoteLook at that genius @herb and what he said here:
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/general-board/if-this-is-possible-then-finding-the-holy-grail-is-a-piece-of-cake (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/general-board/if-this-is-possible-then-finding-the-holy-grail-is-a-piece-of-cake)!/msg31523/#msg31523
What I wrote was accurate. I'm amazed that you believe otherwise. ;D
nolinks://books.google.com/books?id=P-U-CdaD4l8C&pg=PA131&lpg=PA131&dq=hoopers+paradox&source=web&ots=ruYgxF0BcD&sig=PO-9VCdOXWLobIRwnFX5v6awD7E&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=3&ct=result#PPA132,M1 (nolinks://books.google.com/books?id=P-U-CdaD4l8C&pg=PA131&lpg=PA131&dq=hoopers+paradox&source=web&ots=ruYgxF0BcD&sig=PO-9VCdOXWLobIRwnFX5v6awD7E&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=3&ct=result#PPA132,M1)
Wtf have happend to this forum? [smiley=3D-Smil/36_2_5.gif] [smiley=3D-Smil/36_2_5.gif]
Hey fellers.....
I had a brilliant idea! ;)
Let's not rush to judgment. I am playing right this minute and will use those numbers to run through the program. Let's use the year of 2009 to study the G.U.T. and the GUTCBA program. Either it will work or it won't.
I am also notating the CW spins and the dealer changes to try with the Distance Tracker.
Sam
Now you did it Mr. Chips. You've made Worm cry.
There, there Worm. The mean Mr. Chips has gone away. :)
winkel,
You wrote:
Quote
Look at that genius @herb and what he said here:
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/general-board/if-this-is-possible-then-finding-the-holy-grail-is-a-piece-of-cake (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/general-board/if-this-is-possible-then-finding-the-holy-grail-is-a-piece-of-cake)!/msg31523/#msg31523
I have a book by
Martin Gardner (Scientific American writer) in front of me:
"
The 2nd Scientific American Book of Mathematical Puzzles and Diversions"
Printed in 1958, in my possession since August 1962 (yes; I'm ooold ;))
In the chapter "Fi: The Golden Section" this paradox is fully explained - and the explanation is that
there's an empty space along the diagonal.
Simple as that, actually.
(Scale it up and it is very visible)
What did that genius Herb say?
Now, back to the GUT... If I may...
It is my absolute belief that a math based method cannot work without luck.
I have said it before.
And winkel claims that this is not math but stochastics. Dealing with distribution.
But the "rule of 2/3" is also dealing with distribution.
And that "rule" is math - or?
What's it now?
In 37 spins...
... approximately 13 (13.4) numbers will have no hit
... approximately 14 (13.8 ) numbers will have one hit
... approximately 10 (9.8 ) numbers will have more than one hit out of which...
... approximately 7 (6.9) will have exactly two hits and...
... approximately 3 (2.7) will have more than two hits.
(Why it's called "rule of 2/3" is beyond me - those figures are what happens, I have it noted with many more decimals ;))
Now, looking at the 96-days clinical test we can see that the AVERAGE for each column at the 37th spin was...
... approximately 13.05 numbers with no hits (the "=0" column)
... approximately 14.20 numbers with one hit (the "=1" column)
... approximately 9.75 numbers with more than one hit, of which...
... approximately 7.04 numbers hit twice and...
... approximately 2.71 numbers hit more than twice.
As you can see, the numbers in the GUTtest is not far from math.
(The sample is very small)
And so I claim that this method apply to common probability math.
And winkel:
This quote from you is not poor English or something else.
It's a downright CLAIM for the CLINICAL GUT:
In reply #77 on: September 17, 2008, 12:49:06 PM you wrote:
"
But this is a clinical test with iron rules, just to show it wins more than it loses even with no human interactions"
If it is a clinical test -
it is a clinical test... Or?
If it has iron rules -
it has iron rules... Or?
If it wins more than it loses -
it win more than it loses... Or?
And if it does that even with no human interaction -
it does that even with no human interaction... Or?
How on Earth can that sentence be interpreted in any other way than I do?
LAST BUT NOT LEAST!
FOR ALL![highlight]
I STRESS THAT THE GUTCBA SCRIPT IS A TOOL FOR TESTING![/highlight]
In my opinion, but that's MY
opinion, real money shouldn't be bet using this method.
Now I have to sleep.
No posts tomorrow :)
/KFS
Hi KFS,
Law of the Third : When Pascal or Gaus started to explore this, they were testing with 36 numbers not with 37. so one trot had 36 spins not 37.
Within 36 Trials hitting 36 different numbers the law showed up like this:
24 numbers appeared
12 of them apeaared mor than once.
36 24 12 this is 3/3 2/3 1/3
as I proved in my "view at statistics":
The average appears only in about 6,3% of all trots of 37 spins.
552901 rotation with 13 14 10 out of 8776078 rotations checked
so the deviation is the rule not the average.
G.U.T plays the deviations. and it excludes the outer limits like only 15 numbers in 37 spins or more than 28 numbers in 37 spins.
look at this:
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fnolinks.roulette-board.de%2Fuploads%2Fpost-89-1213035984.gif&hash=93268884a17969b66d314951e38f1c559908d51c)
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winkel
Dear Friends--both pro and con..
I am not going to be convinced at this writing that the G.U.T. is pure luck. At some point in the future I may declare it was all a lucky streak and I may declare I am making real, spendable money from this method of betting.
Be it right or be it wrong--I am going beyond the original thought behind this and finding new ways to bet crossings. Mainly, I bet 15/14 just like winkel said. But I am finding by using double crossings and reverse crossings, I am able to win more. (If I turn off the T.V.) This is from today's actual play:
Look at spin #50. I bet the 15 numbers in the 1 column. What happened? It won but it also won (reverse) on the 0 vs 2. Did I get paid twice? No! Why bring it up? Because there are "decision" times when you have to decide where to put your money. Look at it this way: I can bet 8 numbers or 15 numbers. The 15 numbers-win does exactly the same thing as the 8-numbers win. Here a win on the 1 column did double duty. No one, even winkel, has to see it my way--but it works.
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That's the important thing, Sam. Give it a chance (or a few of them). If it works for you then keep it and work with it. 8)
Ron.
I have checked out the GUT CBA, nice job KFS!
I was tempted to quickly run some actuals on it today and ended up doing 80 sessions for the fun of it, with 50 spins each.
That would be 4000 spins.
I'm no GUTer to be honest, but here are the results for anyone who might be interested:
[table=,]
Session,,End Result
1,,+42
2,,-47
3,,+29
4,,+119
5,,+103
6,,-32
7,,+115
8,,+39
9,,-61
10,,-15
11,,+67
12,,+26
13,,-27
14,,-24
15,,-9
16,,+3
17,,+34
18,,-25
19,,-21
20,,-23
[/table]
[table=,]
Session,,End Result
21,,+14
22,,+136
23,,+92
24,,-52
25,,-22
26,,+74
27,,-9
28,,+70
29,,-64
30,,+115
31,,-97
32,,-74
33,,+32
34,,-40
35,,-40
36,,+33
37,,-2
38,,-42
39,,+14
40,,+27
[/table]
[table=,]
Session,,End Result
41,,-33
42,,+14
43,,-46
44,,+2
45,,+59
46,,-59
47,,-38
48,,-3
49,,+112
50,,+45
51,,+0
52,,-63
53,,-18
54,,+22
55,,+0
56,,+1
57,,-99
58,,+52
59,,-68
60,,+2
[/table]
[table=,]
Session,,End Result
61,,+2
62,,-31
63,,+52
64,,+8
65,,-24
66,,+26
67,,+13
68,,+23
69,,+113
70,,-13
71,,+41
72,,-48
73,,+34
74,,-46
75,,-26
76,,-14
77,,-4
78,,+28
79,,+84
80,,-5
[/table]
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Total Profit: +553 in 4000 spins.
Giving an average of 0.13 unit per spin. ::)
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Best regards and happy holidays to all!
Your friend,
Marven
I hope, that there will be also vote for the most reliable person. I would give very good points for KFS. He do not take his words back, because he knows what he is doing. I only trust for him what he says ;)
QuoteNow you did it Mr. Chips. You've made Worm cry.
There, there Worm. The mean Mr. Chips has gone away.
Although i'm not your biggest fan Herb, This Cracked me up Good [smiley=3D-Smil/36_1_20.gif]
I'm glad you enjoyed it. haha :)
Sometimes people are a little too fragile these days.
LOL, still makes me laugh when i read it now (nothing personal mr. chips and Worm). Guess it's the power of the darkside haha >:D
By the way Herb, are there any systems you would reccomend or do you just dont believe in beating roulette?
BR
Kingpin
Hello all,
winkel wrote above:
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Law of the Third : When Pascal or Gaus started to explore this, they were testing with 36 numbers not with 37. so one trot had 36 spins not 37.
Within 36 Trials hitting 36 different numbers the law showed up like this:
24 numbers appeared
12 of them apeaared mor than once.
36 24 12 this is 3/3 2/3 1/3
So ... this "law"...
A) ... in reality has nothing to do with roulette as it's only applicable for 36 numbers and 36 trials
B) ... shouldn't be called a "law" at all, as it's only applicable for 36 numbers and 36 trials and thus it's merely one special situation out of an infinite number of situations...
So: This "law" is not a law if the amount of numbers or trials are different from 36.
However: The math laws and probability rules that -
in reality - creates the "Law of the Thirds" are of course
applicable for ANY amount of numbers and trials.
Those rules and laws create distribution with a fully normal random fluctuation.
Fluctuations have averages.
And for 37 numbers and 37 spins there are in average (and approximately)...
*
13 numbers with no hits,
*
14 numbers with one hit and
*
10 numbers with more than one hit.
The "Law of the Thirds"...? Where is it?[highlight]This is the "Law of 13-14-10"![/highlight] :D
Jokes aside: Do you understand why I said that the "Law of the Thirds" is nothing but one special situation?
The 37 numbers for 37 trials situation is another special situation conforming to the
exact same math and probability rules as the "Law of the Thirds".
(But it isn't named...)
The math laws and probability rules are of course applicable for any amount of numbers and trials.
And ALL distribution conforms to those rules and laws.
Because distribution IS math and probability.
For example, the test-data shown in winkel's TEST-GUT thread shows the "Law of 13-14-10" distribution conclusively:
The average for no hits (column "=0") was 13.05 (
13) numbers after 37 spins
The average for one hit (column "=1") was 14.2 (
14) numbers after 37 spins
The average for more than one hit (column ">1") was 9.75 (
10) numbers after 37 spins
I'd say that most of the time, the column-values at the 37th spin were within +-3 from the "Law of 13-14-10".
Check it yourself:
Check if column "=0" is 10 - 16
Check if column "=1" is 11 - 17
Check if column ">1" is 7 - 13
At the 37th spin.
Most of the time...
And a method dealing with such figures, HAS to be math based.
Because the figures are math based.
Those figures are averages.
(And approximations)
Now winkel, you write something about those averages that I don't really understand:
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The average appears only in about 6,3% of all trots of 37 spins.
I guess it's a matter on how you calculate but for the 37th spin to have
* 13 numbers with no hit is a 20.4% chance (approx) of all (0 - 36 numbers) without a hit
* 14 numbers with one hit is a 13.3% chance (approx) of all (0 - 36 numbers) with one hit
* 10 numbers with more than one hit is a 26.5% chance (approx) of all (0 - 36 numbers) with more than one hit
Within the interval you mention (10 to 21 numbers with no hits - the "=0"-column) you have 98.2% of all 37-spins cycles in the "=0" column.
(Maybe I misunderstood that interval...)
So this method bets in an interval of fully normal random fluctuation in distribution - within the limits of 98.2% of all 37-spins cycles for the "=0" column.
And as the method places bets in situations during normal random fluctuation in distribution, the method is also ruled by normal probability rules and math laws as
it is those rules and laws that give the normal random fluctuations in distribution.
The crossings WILL meet and/or cross - eventually. Of course they will. They HAVE to.
But when?
Only time will tell.
I really whish you Good Luck, all who believe in the G.U.T.
Yes I do.
Myself, I am checking distances ;)
KFS
Note: Placing bets on hunches and GUT-feelings using the GUT method as a guide, is quite another thing than the above. IMO it's no longer a math-based method.
:o Blimey KFS.........dunno about all the maths :) but the G.U.T. works more times for me than it loses
TSK
As I posted in "Testing the G.U.T" I have done another test.
During this tests I made the following procedure:
I sit and watch the numbers coming up, do my bets and add next number.
I have the clinical rule in mind and try to follow them exactly.
After I finished the 50 spins and did my statistics. I took the numbers and put them in the GUTCBA and compared both results.
mainly the results came up identically.
In the facts the didn´t came up equal it had following reasons:
1. I didn´t see all crossings
2. I sticked on crossings where the program already changed to another crossing
2. There are 3 or 4 situations where the rules/the programming is not exact.
e.g.
13 12 12 bet 13 12
13 12 12 loss
13 12 12 loss the crossing is dead next would be bet on 12 12
13 12 12 loss 12 12
now the GUCBA is returning to bet 13 12
but 13 12 is still dead and we should bet 12 12 again
I will express again: you don´t have to bet til spin 50!
You can stop at any spin or jump.
The possible outcomes you can check in G.U.T-Testing
br
winkel
Hi winkel,
As I understood it the rule when a crossing is going "fat" (>36u limit reached) was to select a "best" crossing excluding the "fat" one.
We agree on that, it seems.
The "fat" crossing was - again as I understood it - to be considered "fat" until another crossing had been bet.
After this it was considered "live" and thus could be selected.
This is the way the program works. As you have noticed.
But that was not what you meant by this:
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we bet 3times =0 12units and stop 45 46 47
we would rebet the 12 only:
- another trigger is bet
- the 12 would now trigger e.g. with >1
in reply #338 in your "Testing GUT" thread?
Question:
The "fat" crossing should be considered un-selectable until...
when?
Until the bet crossing is "dead" or "fat"?
(The 12-12 in your example above, is "dead" or "fat")
Or?
Tell me and I'll fix it.
KFS
Hi KFS,
no need to fix it. This problem "only" appears in that area when 0 1 and >1 are nearly the same with 12 and 13 numbers in each group. and its very rare and has no effect on the results. it has to be 4 and more hits on the >1
and we are involved in nearly every rule we made up when this combinations appears.
The main mistake I make by betting (compared to your GUTCBA) is at such situations:
If I bet a group which is fat or dead and its number didn´t change, I don´t bet it again until it changed.
e.g.
14 13 10 6
14 13 10 5 1
14 12 11 6 1
14 12 11 4 2
14 12 11 3 3
14 11 12 4 3
14 10 13 5 3 here I wouldn´t bet 14 0s
especially when all groups are 12 or 13 this is often leading to being on the wrong group after every change of bet-selection.
Your GUTCBA is a very nice program to control my bettings. Often I have better results and often the GUTCBA has better results. In the end GUTCBA is the better bettor! :-[
Here we meet exactly the point where GUT is producing that one little favor we need:
missing bets
avoiding traps like the one mentioned above
gamblers intelligence to decide to bet or not to bet by experience.
stopping in a win situation or stopping at bad start.
or jumping if in doubt.
thanks for your help and work.
br
winkel
Alles gut, then ;)
Great!
KFS
G.U.T. is indeed very good!
If handled perfect! !All Crossings!
Winkel´s Idea formerly called RNF or as you say = 0 = 1 =>1
in the Binomialdistribution is a strange secret
europeanroulette 37 numbers
in spin 36 there is
= 0 //13,79843033526010000000
= 1 //13,79843033526010000000
> 1 //9,4031393294798
in spin 37 there is
= 0 //13,42549978565850000000
= 1 //13,79843033526010000000
> 1 //9,7760698790814
so we have(digital)
36 // 14/14/9
37 // 13/14/10
how to hell >:D can R(=0) cross F(>1) ???
CU
Gerry
Gerry
0 vs >1 is what I called the "winkel non-crossing crossing". I understand you. When 0 is 14 and >1 is 13 there will be no "crossing", but bet it anyway! winkel said it wins and it does. Now when it's 0 vs >1 and 14 vs 14 you have a "true crossing" albeit backward in the hit causes only one data point to move.
Sam