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Title: A fun system for the trend followers
Post by: Bayes on June 04, 2010, 08:55:54 AM
This even-chance system tries to "follow the wheel" and take advantage of any "elegant" patterns which may arise.

You need some "history" before you start playing -  at least one delimited streak on either side,  but after that there is no waiting for "triggers" - you play every spin.  The method is trying to adapt to what the wheel is doing, so in a way it is a "trend following" type of approach, as you will see. 

Here we go:

B
B
    R
B
B
B
    R 

At this point I'm ready to make a bet.  The idea is to look at both sides INDEPENDENTLY, and you're looking at the length of streak which occurred LAST - the last completed streak.  We are always going to bet that the length of streak which occurred on that side will repeat (there is more than that, but this is the basic approach).

So here we look back on the RED side and see that the last "streak" was a single R.  At the moment we have a single R, but we don't know how this will end (Red may continue to become a streak of 2 or more, or it may go back to Black, creating another single of Red).  So because the last event on the Red side was a single, we bet that this will repeat so the first bet was on Black. 

Red came up again, so this was a loss:

B
B
    R
B
B
B
    R 
    R

Now, this is the second part of the bet selection: You can no longer bet that the previous streak will repeat because we now have 2 reds in a row, and the previous streak was a single red, so we have missed the chance.  What we do now is simply bet that the current streak of 2 reds in a row will CONTINUE, so we bet Red.

Result:

B
B
    R
B
B
B
    R 
    R
    R

A win.  Once again, there is no point in looking at the previous streak because it was a single, and we are now at 3 reds in a row, so we just continue to bet on the same outcome which occurred last, and this rule always applies.  So bet R again:

B
B
    R
B
B
B
    R 
    R
    R
B

A loss.  We now need to look back at the last streak on the Black side (forget about what Red is doing, always only look at each side independent of the other).  We see that the last streak on Black side was a streak of 3, so we bet for this to repeat - bet on Black:

B
B
    R
B
B
B
    R 
    R
    R
B
B

A win.  The next bet is again on Black because we are betting that the current streak will be the same as the last one (a streak of 3), and so far we only have a streak of 2:

B
B
    R
B
B
B
    R 
    R
    R
B
B
    R

A loss.  Now we focus on the Red side again.  The last streak on the red side was a streak of 3, so we bet that the next outcome will be Red, hoping that we will get another streak of 3:

B
B
    R
B
B
B
    R 
    R
    R
B
B
    R
B

A loss.  Hopefully you're beginning to get the idea.  We now see that the last streak on the Black side was a streak of 2, so we bet that the next outcome will be another Black:

B
B
    R
B
B
B
    R 
    R
    R
B
B
    R
B
B

Win.  Now we need to bet Red, because we're hoping the current streak will be a streak of 2, and this will be true if Red comes up next:

B
B
    R
B
B
B
    R 
    R
    R
B
B
    R
B
B
    R

Win.  Now look back to the last Red event.  It was a single, so we bet that this will repeat and bet that the next outcome is Black:

B
B
    R
B
B
B
    R 
    R
    R
B
B
    R
B
B
    R
B

Win.  Again we see that the last streak occurring on the Black side was a streak of 2, so we bet Black, hoping for another streak of 2.

B
B
    R
B
B
B
    R 
    R
    R
B
B
    R
B
B
    R
B
B

Win.  Now we bet Red:

B
B
    R
B
B
B
    R 
    R
    R
B
B
    R
B
B
    R
B
B
B

Loss.  Now when we look back we see that we can't bet for the last streak on the black side to repeat, because the current streak is longer than 2, so we switch to the second rule and bet that the current streak will continue - bet Black:

B
B
    R
B
B
B
    R 
    R
    R
B
B
    R
B
B
    R
B
B
B
B

Win. 

I hope you're starting to get the idea.  The outcomes on the even chances tend to clump together, so you get stretches where they are running "streaky" and "choppy", and also periods when one side is more dominant than the other, and this system attempts to take advantage of all these things, as well as repeating patterns.  The other day I got a sequence of:

R
R
    B
R
R
    B
R
R
    R
R
R
    B
R
R
    B
R
R
    B

I won 15 consecutive bets.  Now, this won't happen that often, but there other patterns repeating all the time, and this bet selection is ready to jump on them as soon as they begin. 

Note
This won't win flat betting, but it does generate some very nice winning streaks, so you could try some kind of positive progression - maybe a reverse Marty or Labby. 
Title: Re: A fun system for the trend followers
Post by: Spike! on June 04, 2010, 02:26:23 PM
Take this to the casino and play for real money and report back. I wouldn't take a lot of money, though. LOL!
Title: Re: A fun system for the trend followers
Post by: gizmotron on June 04, 2010, 02:46:49 PM
QuoteI won 15 consecutive bets.  Now, this won't happen that often, but there other patterns repeating all the time, and this bet selection is ready to jump on them as soon as they begin. 

Note
This won't win flat betting, but it does generate some very nice winning streaks, so you could try some kind of positive progression - maybe a reverse Marty or Labby.

You won 15 in a row. If you had been avoiding very bad downturns then you should have reached your goal. You don't need to lean on a progression. You need to lean on your capability to "read the table." That's how Ellison explains it in his book. Now ponder this. When a pattern or trend is not occurring then you have a data set that is doing something. The next spin might be a continuation that a trend will not occur.

Title: Re: A fun system for the trend followers
Post by: Bayes on June 04, 2010, 04:35:29 PM
Gizmo,

It was an attempt to create a simple mechanical system which capitalizes on trends, that's all.  Not half bad with the Guetting progression.

Spike,

Thanks for the feedback, that's really useful.  We sure are lucky to have you  here!  :thumbsup:

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Title: Re: A fun system for the trend followers
Post by: Spike! on June 04, 2010, 05:30:48 PM

Spike,Thanks for the feedback>>

Its just a typical FTL plan with a progression. If it has some subtlety I missed, please point it out..
Title: Re: A fun system for the trend followers
Post by: Noble Savage on June 04, 2010, 05:33:25 PM
Quote from: Spike! on June 04, 2010, 05:30:48 PM
Its just a typical FTL plan with a progression. If it has some subtlety I missed, please point it out..

wow...

Did you at least read his signature?
Title: Re: A fun system for the trend followers
Post by: Spike! on June 04, 2010, 05:39:00 PM
I actually went and read the thing in detail and its nonsensical, he's making it up as he goes along. I stick with what I said, take it to the casino, but take no money, because you'll lose it.
Title: Re: A fun system for the trend followers
Post by: Bayes on June 04, 2010, 05:53:27 PM
QuoteOn almost every bet, he follows the last outcome. What would you call it? Looks like FTL to me.

Au contraire,

It may look like FTL, but that's only incidental to the main bet. You default to FTL when you can make no other bet, but the main part of the system bets for the preceding streak to repeat (on both sides). That means you're not 'targeting' any particular pattern, but playing them as they arise. So you win on:

R B R B R B etc
RR BB RR BB RR BB etc
R BB R BB R BB etc
B RR B RR B BB etc
R BBB R BBB R BBB etc
RR BBB RR BBB etc

And any other repeating pattern, whether the repeat is on one or both sides.

And because FTL is used a lot, it keeps you on the right side in strong deviations. Also, when outcomes come in bunches - very streaky, as in RRRRR BBBB RRR BBBBB etc or very choppy R B RR B R B R BB R etc you still win most of the bets. Like any other bet selection, there is a nemesis - you might call it the 'chaotic' pattern.
Title: Re: A fun system for the trend followers
Post by: Spike! on June 04, 2010, 05:59:04 PM
etc you still win most of the bets.<<<

The chaotc sequences will exactly cancel out any gain you make, just like every other system. Systems don't work.

And I'm not putting down FTL. With a progression it makes money most of the time. Its as good as any other system. And as bad.
Title: Re: A fun system for the trend followers
Post by: Bayes on June 04, 2010, 06:02:17 PM
QuoteSystems don't work.

Yes, check my signature.

Nor does educated guessing - which is a system too.

The times when you guess incorrectly will exactly cancel the gains from the good guesses.
Title: Re: A fun system for the trend followers
Post by: Spike! on June 04, 2010, 06:05:54 PM
The times when you guess incorrectly will exactly cancel the gains from the good guesses.>>>

No, thats called random guessing. Thats what 99% of all players do. Don't get confused.
Title: Re: A fun system for the trend followers
Post by: Bayes on June 04, 2010, 06:11:28 PM
Whatever.

Spike, you're so predictable. It's really getting to be a bore.

At least I know when I'm confused.  :sarcastic:
Title: Re: A fun system for the trend followers
Post by: Spike! on June 04, 2010, 06:21:04 PM
Spike, you're so predictable. >>>

Its like you ask your doctor to explain whats wrong with you and he always says the same thing, so you accuse him of being 'predictable'. I'm telling what I know, of course its 'predictable'. Duh.

>>At least I know when I'm confused.>>

Like now, you mean?
Title: Re: A fun system for the trend followers
Post by: mistarlupo on June 04, 2010, 06:24:49 PM
Spike, have you ever served in the government? You speak just like a politician.
Title: Re: A fun system for the trend followers
Post by: Spike! on June 04, 2010, 06:35:26 PM
People like Bayes do facinate me, however. You can see he's got a box he's comfortable with and he's trying to cram me into the box with a sledgehammer, because if I'm outside his box, it can't make sense. So he makes huge generalizations to gloss over what I say. I don't have a box, so I don't care where he fits or what he believes. But the math people really can't rest until they figure you out or totally discredit you. Thats because they know their box is flawed, but they can't find the flaw, and it drives them crazy.
Title: Re: A fun system for the trend followers
Post by: Bayes on June 05, 2010, 04:46:08 AM
Wow, this is real pot kettle black moment Spike.  :lol:

QuoteI don't have a box
Except the one you've just put me into.

QuoteSo he makes huge generalizations to gloss over what I say
No, I don't gloss over what you say. I question it, but never get answers which make any sense. As Mistarlupo says, you'd make a great politician because you're more slippery than a box of eels. You constantly contradict yourself and none of your huge generalizations are supportable, at least I can back mine up with facts.

When your contradictions are pointed out to you, you simply ignore them. It's not possible to have a meaningful dialogue with someone like you.
Title: Re: A fun system for the trend followers
Post by: Spike! on June 05, 2010, 05:47:59 PM
You constantly contradict yourself>>>

Really? Please post some of the most glaring contradictions so I can see what you mean. Someone is always accusing me of this and I always ask to see them, and they never respond. Its an old debate trick, accuse your opponent of contradictions to discredit him, and then 'not have them in front of you' when asked what they are.

You hear this on radio talk shows all the time. A caller will accuse the host of being a racist and the host demands to hear some of the things he's said to make the caller think that, and the caller can never come up with even one.
Title: Re: A fun system for the trend followers
Post by: Bayes on June 06, 2010, 07:02:11 AM
QuotePlease post some of the most glaring contradictions so I can see what you mean.

It won't make any difference, because your purpose here is not to engage in discussion, but to be a troll. If I point out any contradictions you'll just accuse me of misinterpreting what you said (you always turn it back to the poster because that's what trolls do).

You have a habit of saying the maths is absolute, but that there is an exception - namely that the maths 'goes out the window' if you learn to 'read' random. So the maths mysteriously never applies to what you do, but it does everyone else. This is great because it allows you to trash others safe in the knowledge that the maths is on your side, but you are always immune from any criticism because of the 'exception' - which is itself  a contradiction.

Another example: You say that 'your method cannot be taught, but it can be learned if you practice enough' or words to that affect. But, at the same time, you are (apparently) terrified that your method will be reverse engineered (even though anyone who ever plays anywhere other than at home in private is vulnerable to this). Again, this is convenient because it means you never have to give any evidence or demonstrate your claims (unless the tester is willing to pay some absurd amount for it), but the contradiction lies in the fact that if you never use 'triggers' or rules, and never bet the the same way even when the 'history' is the same, and the method cannot be taught (ie; it's a skill, not a system), then why should you be concerned that others will steal it?

Title: Re: A fun system for the trend followers
Post by: Spike! on June 06, 2010, 03:18:54 PM
So the maths mysteriously never applies to what you do, but it does everyone else.>>

I have the edge, they don't. End of mystery.

>>you are (apparently) terrified that your method will be reverse engineered >>

Cautious is a better word. Reverse engineering can indeed send someone down the right path to practice what I practice. Why wouldn't it?

Anything else? I'm an hour late for the casino, gotta go.. :yahoo:
Title: Re: A fun system for the trend followers
Post by: medo on July 19, 2010, 05:47:01 PM


I have the edge, they don't. End of mystery.


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