Question regarding DS

[Mr J]

"VB guys have taken several million" >>> You just fu**ed yourself with that one, I'll respond on Friday. Hook, line and sinker, its a gift I have.  Ken

[Mr J]

STILL WAITING >>> "and rephrases/alters it" >>> Can you give me an example? Ken

[Mr J]

"VB guys have taken several million. 

Rather than slow the game down further it's easier to simply ban the long term big winners" >>> I'm confused on this one Snowman. It seems some of you are on both sides of the fence. Has taken in 'MILLIONS' but the casino will NOT alter how they do things at the roulette table? It would seem that calling no more bets EARLY would eliminate you AP (cough) guys and SAVE the casinos around the world, 'MILLIONS'! You also state the bannings. So which is it?........ You have already made millions, then quit for life on your terms?

You made millions and then was banned? You made millions, not banned yet? Which is ODD because by banning you guys, again as stated, it would SAVE the casinos around the world, 'MILLIONS'! Another point in regards to pissing some people off with the RULE of no more bets early. Would the casino really lose out all that much COMPARED to the millions it would save? EXAMPLE >> Bob Smith walks into the casino with his $300. Goes to the roulette table but the NEW rule starts today.

All bets must be made first, then the ball is spun. Bob is pissed (I do AGREE, some will not play because of this rule) and does not play. What does Bob now do? Heads out the door pissed off? Most likely not. Bob will probably put that $300 into OTHER casino games. This thought that the casino will lose a ton of money is BS. What is my point of this thread? Most casinos do not have this rule because it is of very little threat.....AP (cough). If a casino was losing millions over time because of AP (cough), new measures would be in place other than, 'you are banned'.  Ken

[Herb6]

Here's how the casinos tend to treat AP roulette players when they are winning too much.  There's usually a progression to it.  However, occasionally they will go straight to step six or seven.



1. Attempt to counter the player by changing the wheel speeds more frequently and by also changing the ball.

2. Begin calling no more bets earlier in the spin, provided that other players are not being inconvenienced.

3. They may lower the max table limit.

4. In rare cases, they may begin calling no more bets before the ball is spun.  However, this pisses off everyone at the table and the casino risks losing players.  In the US, people love to continue betting up until the last moment with impulse bets.  Call no more bets before the ball is spun in the US at a full table and you could see a riot.  In some cases they will tell just the AP player that their bets must be placed before the ball is spun.

5. The casino may stop offering the player comps to cover airfare, etc and freeze the comps available if they were earned while playing at roulette.

6. A shift manager may approach the player and, "Welcome them to play any game in the house, but to kindly stay away from roulette."

7. Security or the shift manager may approach the player and 86 them and read them the trespass act.



Now, you've asked how much have VB players won.  Throughout history, they have taken millions.  You can read about the history of these winners  on the website that I mentioned earlier in the thread, and possibly in some encyclopedias.  There is also the interview with Kaisan, a VB player that made the mistake of going public with his success.  He has one millions as well.  



There you have it Mr. J.,  Now feel free to point out the parts that you disagree with, and if you're lucky, someone might respond to you if they think you're coherent enough to comprehend it.

[Mr J]

"someone might respond to you if they think you're coherent enough to comprehend it" >>> I hope nobody does, it makes me look better.  Ken

[Mr J]

"3. They may lower the max table limit." >>> So they might change this rule JUST FOR YOU GUYS but when you leave, they change the table limit back again? lol  Ken

[Mr J]

"2. Begin calling no more bets earlier in the spin, provided that other players are not being inconvenienced" >>> This I agree with and f**k the other players, it will save the casino MILLIONS!  Ken

[Mr J]

"this pisses off everyone at the table and the casino risks losing players" >>> I thought I covered this? 'Losing', means what? They walk out the door, NEVER to return to play other games?  Ken

[Mr J]

"you've asked how much have VB players won" >>> Where did I ask that?  Ken

[Mr J]

So which is it Herb?........ You have already made millions, then quit for life on your terms?

You made millions and then was banned? You made millions, not banned yet? If you have not made millions yet, I'm confused, why not?  Ken

[Noble Savage]

nolinks://nolinks.isa-guide.de/articles/9257_interview_mit_christian_kaisan_profi_roulette_spieler_aus_leipzig_genannt_der_sachse.html

That's in German, there's a translation here:

nolinks://nolinks.isa-guide.de/pdf/9649.pdf

There's also a German TV documentary about him that you can find on youtube (I believe).

This is only one of many documented cases of AP's (VB or bias players) going for the big hits and taking millions from the casinos (at the cost of being banned of course). The rest (like Herb) prefer to stay under the radar and make money consistently over many years. Like it or not you're literally nothing compared to these guys.

[Mr J]

"The rest (like Herb) prefer to stay under the radar and make money consistently over many years" >>> Do you speak for him and all the other AP (cough) guys?  Ken

[Mr J]

The casino (I did not say roulette) would show an overall SAVINGS of millions if you guys were a threat.  Changing the rule....no more bets and then spin. They will NOT change the rule because you acorns are no where near anything that remotely resembles a threat. Sorry to rain on your parade boss.  Ken

[Noble Savage]

Do you speak for him and all the other AP (cough) guys?

No, not all of them. There ARE "pretend" AP's in forums. As with anything else, many talk the talk, but only a few walk the walk. This doesn't only apply to AP but other things like financial market speculation, etc.

[Mr J]

"There ARE "pretend" AP's in forums" >>> This I agree with you 10000000000000000000000000000000%  Ken

[Mr J]

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