John's 8 number system

[John1234]

I am going to post a system within the next few days (have a busy week so it will take awhile). As far as I know this system does  not exist but who knows, maybe it does.

Baccarat is my game of choice and I do not have much experience with designing roulette systems. This system has given me the best results of any roulette system that I have played so maybe there is a lot of potential. Notice that I said potential. I did not say it is a long-term winner because I do not know yet. The system as it stands could probably use a few tweaks..maybe a progression. I am not sure. Right now it is doing great without a progression. Please take a look at the system when I post it and let me know what you think. I am open for suggestions, the system is not set in stone.

I will make the intro to the system as brief as possible. It needs a lot more testing. I can only do so much because of time and I do not know how to create those excel file things that people create to test systems.

-It is designed around the American wheel but it can also be designed around the European wheel. I focus on the American wheel because the casinos near me only use the American wheel. After I outline the system I will rewrite the instructions for the European wheel and I will have to alter a few aspects of the system.

-I have spent the last 4 days looking at the wheel in relation to the board. I tried to be as creative as possible and I also tried very simple ideas. A lot of my ideas seemed to do well then they would crash. But this system has done the best.

-You will flat bet
-You will bet on 8 numbers, never more, never less.
-You bet every spin
-sessions are divided into 60-75 spin session.
-Stop loss is still undecided
-I had one session that went up to 230 units in 50 spins.
-Right now I am averaging  about 1.25 units per spin.

-I have a lot to explain but I will have to get to that later. I need to think of how I will outline the instructions to make it as easy as possible to understand.

Before I continue take a look at the 2 pictures. They are pictures of the American (00) wheel and the roulette board.

The Wheel-- Notice that the wheel is broken up into sections. To understand why I did this you must look at the picture of the board. I will use the information in the wheel for the system.

The Board (table) The board relates to the wheel. If you look at the board then you will understand why the numbers are grouped as they are.

The grouping of the numbers is key to this system. We will bet inside numbers (8 per spin with 1 unit on each of the 8 numbers). You will soon understand why.

I'll post the system within the next day or two...

[John1234]

Oh and in the picture of the wheel, the A, B, and C letters refer to Columns 1, 2, and 3, but we will not be betting the columns. We will only bet 8 numbers. The numbers that we bet have noting to do with the Columns. This picture was designed for one of my original ideas that failed. The info for the board is not used in the system.

[Bo0Merang]

Hi John i like see your work if is  come  like a bacarrat that wil be fine:) will you please designrd your system  for european  roulette ??

[Hayaatt]

Interesting post.  8 number betting system is something I would be itnerested in.  Please do elaborate on your system as I am very interested.  I also have only the option to play on American 00 wheels so this would be great~

thanks for sharing John

[John1234]

Hi John I like see your work if is  come  like a bacarrat that wil be fine:) will you please designrd your system  for european  roulette ??

yes when I get some time I will design it for European roulette. I don't know if it will work any different, it probably will.

[John1234]

Interesting post.  8 number betting system is something I would be itnerested in.  Please do elaborate on your system as I am very interested.  I also have only the option to play on American 00 wheels so this would be great~

thanks for sharing John

I will hopefully get it posted soon..I have the same problem as far as the American wheel is concerned. I have yet to find a European wheel in AC.

[John1234]

I suggest that you only play and test with results from a real wheel. I honestly don't know how RNG will work.

We will be working with 12 eight number sections. Refer to the wheel breakdown in my first post when I outline what numbers go in what sections.

Some  numbers are are multiple sections thus some sections overlap.

I will begin by outlining the sections. Before I begin I will start with a list of terms/symbols that are important to know.

B: Section B - Look at the wheel in the first post, there are 2 section B's.
C: Section C-2 sections C's
D: Section D-  2 sections D's (on the wheel labeled as even numbers)
A: Section A- 4 section A's. Each section has 2 numbers.
00- Section 00
0-Section 0

The wheel is split in half. There is a right and a left side.

R: Right of the 0
L : Left side of the 0    

Each side of the wheel is split into Top and Bottom.

T= Top of right/left side
B= Bottom of right/left side.

{ } : An overlapping number:: An overlapping number is a number that is included in one of the 8 number sectors but it is not part of the sector itself, this will make more sense later.

True number: A number that is not an overlapping number. You determine which section to bet based on the true numbers, not the over lapping numbers.


If you put the symbols together then here are the possible sectors that you can get. There are 12 sections.

1) BR (Section B on Right side) of 0
2) BL ( Section B on Left) of 0

If you look at the wheel you will notice that there are 2 section B's. One section is on the right side of the wheel and the other section is on the left side of the wheel. The same goes for section C.

3) CR (Section C on Right side) of 0
4) CL (Section C on Left side) of 0

5) DT ( Section D on Top side) opposite side of 0 so this is the section on the side of 00
6) DB ( Section D on Bottom side) Same side as 0

There are four A sections
7) ARB (Section A, Right side of 0, Bottom)
EIGHT) ART  (Section A, Right side of 0, top )
9) ALT  (Section A, left side of 0, Top)
10) ALB (Section A, Left side of 0, Bottom)

11) 0 section 0
12) 00 section 00

Now I will add 8 numbers to each of the above sections.
* Remember {} means that a number is an overlapping number.

1) BR: {0,28} 2, 14, 35, 23, {4, 16}
2) BL: {34,22} 5, 17, 32, 20, {7, 11}

3) CR: {4,16} 33, 21, 6, 18, {31, 19}
4) CL: {1, 13} 36, 24, 3, 15, {34, 22}

5) DT: {00} 27, 10, 25, 29, 12, 8, {19}
6) DB: {20} 7, 11, 30, 26, 9, 28, {0}

7) ARB: 4, 16, {23 35, 14, 33, 21, 6}
EIGHT -ART: 19, 31, {18, 6, 21, 8, 12, 29}
9) ALT: 13, 1, {00, 27, 10,  36, 24, 3}
10) ALB: 34, 22 {5, 17, 32, 15, 3, 24}

11) 0: 0, 00 {27, 10, 25, 1, 13, 36}
12} 00: 00, 0, {2, 14, 35, 28, 9, 26}

Choosing What Section To Bet

We determine what numbers to bet based on what sections and groups the ball lands in. Notice that the sections are grouped. There are  6 groups. When the ball lands in a group you will bet only 1 section from the group. You bet  opposite of the section that hit and no other section.

You choose your session based on the numbers that are not in { }. The true numbers, meaning the NON-OVERLAPPING NUMBERS are the numbers that determine which section you are in.

So if the ball lands on 14 then we will be in Section BR since 14 is the true number of BR. Notice that 14 is also in section 00 AND ARB. But 14 is not a true number to section 00 and ARB. 14 is only a true number to section BR.

Group 1: BR and BL.
-If the ball lands in BR then bet all 8 numbers in BL.
-If the ball lands in BL then bet all 8 numbers in BR

Group 2: CR and CL
-If the ball lands in CR then bet all 8 numbers in CL
-If the ball lands in CL then bet all 8 numbers in CR

Group 3: DT and DB
-If the ball lands in DT then bet all 8 numbers in DB.
-If the ball lands in DB then bet all 8 numbers in DT.

Group 4: ARB and ALB
-If the ball lands in ARB then bet all 8 numbers in ALB
-If the ball lands in ALB then bet all 8 numbers in ARB

Group 5: ART and ALT
-If the ball lands in ART then bet all 8 numbers in ALT
-If the ball lands in ALT then bet all 8 numbers in ART

Group 6: 0 and 00
-If the ball lands in 0 then bet all 8 numbers in 00
-If the ball lands in 00 then bet all 8 numbers in 0

As  you can see, when the ball lands in a section within a group, you will bet the opposite of that section. You will do this for every spin. So if section B hits then you will bet opposite of Section B. If section C hits then you bet opposite of Section C and so on.

Section Streak Rule: When a section hits 3 times in a row bet that section rather than the opposite section. Bet that section until you have a loss. Sometimes the ball will continually land in the same section. In one of my most recent sessions had 1 section that hit 9 times.

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Playing Rules:

-Only play 8 numbers at a time
-As of now a session lasts between 60-75 spins. This number may change.
-As of now only flat bet. I'm not sure if a progression is needed yet. You will have drawdowns but do not start thinking about a progression just because you suffer some drawdowns. It always seems to recover.
-Stoploss is undecided- I guess that if you go above 150 units in 60 spins then stop and change tables.


This is the system as it stands for now. Some tweaks will probably be needed. If it works well then I will try adapting it for the European wheel.

[John1234]

I just played 4 more sessions.

here are my results: +88, +78, +102, +108

[Bo0Merang]

I just played 4 more sessions.

here are my results: +88, +78, +102, +108

sounds promissing John im  happy  for you:)   how is that possible that everyone  here is clever enough  to make some  nice  system and i even if i want to make something sucsesfull  i cant  im  just a not system person  orr i dont  know:

[John1234]

sounds promissing John im  happy  for you:)   how is that possible that everyone  here is clever enough  to make some  nice  system and I even if I want to make something sucsesfull  I cant  im  just a not system person  orr I dont  know:

Thanks, I hope it continues to work. I have trouble making systems too

[Hayaatt]

I just played 4 more sessions.

here are my results: +88, +78, +102, +108

John,

I'm assuming these results are coming off a live wheel.  Are these results for a landbased casino or from online roulette?  Thanks

[John1234]

Yes they are coming off a live wheel, I am not going to do any testing on RNG. The results are from a land based casino. It is hard to find 00 results so I will probably have to start testing with bet phoenix. They have an American live wheel and if things go well then maybe I will play for real money on betphoenix. Americans can use bet phoenix to play live roulette. I have been playing live baccarat there for a few months.

[xman1970]

Hi John1234 

Just out of interest have you made any withdrawals with bet Phoenix ?

The only reason I ask is that I'm sure I've read a thread somewhere stating that they were a bit dodgy....

& I know they are based in Costa Rica & for an internet based casino that's a huge no no 

[John1234]

I have made a few successful withdraws from them. I have not had a problem when dealing with withdraws but other people may have. They have been very nice and helpful to me. The only problem is that their live game servers go down a lot. Between the down servers and the odd table limits, I don't really think it is worth it unless someone lives very far from a casino. It is best just to go to the casino or to wait until the laws change. I do know someone who was banned for winning too much and that was with a play money account.

[xman1970]

I do know someone who was banned for winning too much and that was with a play money account.

Yikes !!! So they got banned from winning too much in a "fun" account ??

Ok, well you know that they are a bit iffy, so pls tread carefully....

[xman1970]

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