DS System

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This remind me of a roulette system using dozen that also have the same kind of random element to it.
I just want to mention that I don't play roulette systems - but sure find it fun to experiment - this is why I post here.

I assume when you play the lines the pay out is 5 chips and we have six lines.
So I am going to elaborate a littel about some experience I have of past testing.

The random element using dozen was that you just follow the last hit for 6 trails and if a loss you follow the present dozen for another 6 trails using progression - many times it hit 1K playing 300 trails and as expected it tank.
One thing I notice is that the distribution of the random hits does not chop at the very end witch make it not nessery to increase the bet size using a progression to make a profit with every placed bets.
I can compare it with a even money bet where you flat betting you can use a line like 1 1 1 witch give +1+0-1 and same goes for dozen play where some one can use a line like 1 1 1 1 witch give +2+1+0-1 before you make a humble increase of the bet size - witch also does not have to recoup all the previous loses - as the random element of chops generate a strike ratio that accumulate profits over time - witch mean you can develop a progression that can delay and handle long strings of bad down swings.

So my conclusion is there is no reason to increase any bets using the first line playing lines with the method mention above to make profits or a net gain and same applies to the second state.
This brings me to old scary martingale as comparison - witch handle bad swing in a pretty good way if some one apply martingale in a proper way - this is just a side note as comparison - that after you develop a progression using a humble increase based upon what I mention above and if some one want to go all in - then some one could develop a last stage of the progression where you win back half of what you previous lost - if some one assume they never will hit the sequence from hell.
Is like a twist of using the best out of fibo and martingale principals.

464523
122253 = 111111 = -1
355216 = 1111 = +1
361614 = 1 = +6
315464 = 1 = +11
515513 = 111 = +14
664644 = 111111 = +8 [Why would some one go to stage two if still in profit and can delay bad larger downswings]
564645 = 111 = +11
365513 = 11 = +15
326451 = 1 = +20
233525 = 111111 = +14  [Why would some one go to stage two if still in profit and can delay bad larger downswings]
513561 = 111 = +17
616364 = 11111 = +17
550354 = 1111 = +18
561322
521252
012214

Should also mention that it would be better to divide the wheel into sectors with 6 numbers and where one sector out of six would include zero ...

[libertydog]

I only played the 1 long session where I won over 170 chips ,  I was actually up 230 chips at one point in the game.
I will play this method for real money again next week some time and report back if I lost or won. Maybe a bit more testing to prove if this is a good bet or just  a pure luck bet.

Nice one, I'd love to know how it went playing for real in a B&M casino 

[libertydog]

This remind me of a roulette system using dozen that also have the same kind of random element to it.
I just want to mention that I don't play roulette systems - but sure find it fun to experiment - this is why I post here.

I assume when you play the lines the pay out is 5 chips and we have six lines.
So I am going to elaborate a littel about some experience I have of past testing.

The random element using dozen was that you just follow the last hit for 6 trails and if a loss you follow the present dozen for another 6 trails using progression - many times it hit 1K playing 300 trails and as expected it tank.
One thing I notice is that the distribution of the random hits does not chop at the very end witch make it not nessery to increase the bet size using a progression to make a profit with every placed bets.
I can compare it with a even money bet where you flat betting you can use a line like 1 1 1 witch give +1+0-1 and same goes for dozen play where some one can use a line like 1 1 1 1 witch give +2+1+0-1 before you make a humble increase of the bet size - witch also does not have to recoup all the previous loses - as the random element of chops generate a strike ratio that accumulate profits over time - witch mean you can develop a progression that can delay and handle long strings of bad down swings.

So my conclusion is there is no reason to increase any bets using the first line playing lines with the method mention above to make profits or a net gain and same applies to the second state.
This brings me to old scary martingale as comparison - witch handle bad swing in a pretty good way if some one apply martingale in a proper way - this is just a side note as comparison - that after you develop a progression using a humble increase based upon what I mention above and if some one want to go all in - then some one could develop a last stage of the progression where you win back half of what you previous lost - if some one assume they never will hit the sequence from hell.
Is like a twist of using the best out of fibo and martingale principals.

464523
122253 = 111111 = -1
355216 = 1111 = +1
361614 = 1 = +6
315464 = 1 = +11
515513 = 111 = +14
664644 = 111111 = +8 [Why would some one go to stage two if still in profit and can delay bad larger downswings]
564645 = 111 = +11
365513 = 11 = +15
326451 = 1 = +20
233525 = 111111 = +14  [Why would some one go to stage two if still in profit and can delay bad larger downswings]
513561 = 111 = +17
616364 = 11111 = +17
550354 = 1111 = +18
561322
521252
012214

Should also mention that it would be better to divide the wheel into sectors with 6 numbers and where one sector out of six would include zero ...

Well, when you put it like that I see what you mean. Progression is a bit pointless and dangerous.

I like the idea of using wheel sectors, thanks 

LD

[Kingspin]

I tried another pretty long session on rng to real play , I was playing with 20p chips. I got the bankroll up from £25 to £50 then dropped to £43 I withdrawed the lot . Another good session.  

To play with £1 chips i suggest a bank roll of around £250.

[libertydog]

I tried another pretty long session on rng to real play , I was playing with 20p chips. I got the bankroll up from £25 to £50 then dropped to £43 I withdrawed the lot . Another good session.  

To play with £1 chips I suggest a bank roll of around £250.

Nice one 

Exactly how are you playing it?

LD

[libertydog]

Tried with 6 sectors of the wheel:

1) 2,_4,15,19,21,32
2) 6,13,17,25,27,34
3) 8,10,11,23,30,36
4) 1,_5,16,20,24,33
5) 9,14,18,22,29,31
6) 3,_7,12,26,28,35

198 spins,nasty run of L's  

326316
316551 w
245456 w
535514 w
315255 w
465221 w
256155 L
650136 w
132536 w
451431 w
326545 L
552546 w
260122 L
633132 w
213345 w
653141 w
144363 L
131221 w
443244 w
251113 L
541141 w
633612 L
445426 L
432151 w
345214 L
553631 L
046302 L
464134 L
424650 w
414031 w
152264 L
161265 w
453134 L

LD

[Kingspin]

I am playing the original version , nothing changed I still play the 11111 2.  222224 progression. I have seen a few small draw downs but have managed good come backs , I think it's a great grind of a system , one of the best I have played for some time.  Now and again after a few wins in quick succession I will spin a fresh set of 6 numbers in before starting betting again.  I don't like back tracking the numbers too much if you know what I mean. I will be playing with £1 chips on my next game later , probably quit  around +50 to +70 profit.  personally i would avoid the sectors method but thats just my opinion.

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Tried with 6 sectors of the wheel:

1) 2,_4,15,19,21,32
2) 6,13,17,25,27,34
3) 8,10,11,23,30,36
4) 1,_5,16,20,24,33
5) 9,14,18,22,29,31
6) 3,_7,12,26,28,35

198 spins,nasty run of L's  

326316
316551 w
245456 w
535514 w
315255 w
465221 w
256155 L
650136 w
132536 w
451431 w
326545 L
552546 w
260122 L
633132 w
213345 w
653141 w
144363 L
131221 w
443244 w
251113 L
541141 w
633612 L
445426 L
432151 w
345214 L
553631 L
046302 L
464134 L
424650 w
414031 w
152264 L
161265 w
453134 L

LD

That is why you are here to make new experience - i assume you already know same will happen using the tables layout.

Cheers

[Kingspin]

I am winning so at the moment this is a good system , when i loose it becomes a bad system 

[libertydog]

I am winning so at the moment this is a good system , when I lose it becomes a bad system 

hopefully when you lose it will hardly affect what you won overall

[hermes]

If it performs so good why not apply 3rd progression 444448 or even 4th 8888816? Bigger bankroll but surer win.
The sectors perform worse than original version, 4 losses in row.
Hermes

[libertydog]

A few short sessions from the actuals on this site:

662621
142411 w
341524 w
355451 w
624625 L
466515 w

655261
642634 w
565313 L
625223 w
462146 L
60546

351121
236623 w
154344 L
445444 w
216114 w
633514 w

464235
152336 w
534531 w
365354 L
354556 w
113655 w

525545
264656 L
566541 w
532435 w
535246 w
626433 L
641642 w
46

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First of all nothing beats using the wheels layout as one sector include zero and secondly the wheel has 37 degree of freedom so any bad sequence using the wheel layout is the same as using the table layout - with one exception - that is zero strike using table layout you have one total loss.

[Kingspin]

Just had a bad session on rng , I got  at least 24 misses on the trot which wiped me out pretty much. I guess it's  possibly another cheating rng.   I am still in profit but another wipe out and i would not play this method again.

[libertydog]

Just had a bad session on rng , I got  at least 24 misses on the trot which wiped me out pretty much. I guess it's  possibly another cheating rng.   I am still in profit but another wipe out and I would not play this method again.

I f**ing hate RNG, used to play it at some online casino's while waiting for poker tournaments to start, and for a while it would let me win,  but then stupid numbers or massive repeating dozens/EC's would happen and wipe me out. Yes true I've seen long steaks like this on real wheels but the way the rng does it is so sly and obvious.

Anyway, did a long test of 498 spins using half columns:

1) 1,4,7,10,13,16
2) 2,5,8,11,14,17
3) 3,6,9,12,15,18
4) 19,22,25,28,31,34
5) 20,23,26,29,32,35
6) 21,24,27,30,33,36


115615
264545 w
654135 w
364326 w
244342 w
255444 w
653633 w
440264 L
216354 w
143163 L
225413 w
333215 w
330261 w
566521 w
236664 w
425324 w
512651 L
264324 L
566612 w
344266 L
215261 w
362531 w
255223 L
662234 w
164116 w
231363 L
011204 w
515155 w
145130 w
626065 L
631316 w
232655 w
642356 w
224356 w
621434 w
314241 L
263146 w
464666 w
313335 L
663613 w
633361 w
234305 w
522146 L
421146 w
434666 w
622256 w
055342 L
526161 L
236416 w
261314 w
423642 L
364533 L
252524 w
155524 w
236343 L
236413 w
024624 L
065142 L
652224 L
313636 L
232266 w
056256 w
354664 w
215252 L
136552 w
555232 w
125263 w
121224 w
632266 w
222322 w
361126 w
311456 w
622251 w
662252 w
256516 L
112463 L
653241 L
246643 w
613466 L
461553 L
424115 w
633612 w
351425 L

Longer tests like this show that it's where you start from that determine a good or bad session. 

LD

[libertydog]

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