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Roulette System Development & Testing => Roulette Challenge Zone => Topic started by: borntogamble on May 09, 2011, 10:58:48 PM

Title: Looking for Good Random generators
Post by: borntogamble on May 09, 2011, 10:58:48 PM
hi all

I have made a system on the paper and are now looking for true and random
number generators to collect a database to test my systems on.

I know random is hard to get right so this is why I am asking this question.

I might wonder at the same time what kind of generators the casinos use?
Do they have type of standard (industry standard) they must follow?

This will then be what I am after.

Cheers!
Title: Re: Looking for Good Random generators
Post by: gizmotron on May 10, 2011, 12:19:44 AM
They use an RNG that duplicates after approximately  one half of a million spins. That can be guarded by changing the random seed before the half million is reached. So far that has been good enough to set all slot machines with. The way it works is it pre-spins out thousands of spins and then uses them over time. It does this to maintain a tampering free condition between spins. Now we have some casinos providing 5 spins ahead with a verification of authenticity through hash function verification testing. They pre publish the hash of future spins so that anyone can verify that they have not cheated the RNG.

I wrote a real world example of a real wheel's physics. It goes through several layers of randomness to produce a length of ball travel, boundary collision reactions based on randomness, and random bounces to produce a real physical authenticity. The results are still about as good as any modern RNG. So what you really need is this:

put random(37) into yourSpin

That's all you really need.
Title: Re: Looking for Good Random generators
Post by: Mike on May 10, 2011, 04:39:04 AM
I don't think you can generalise about RNGs used by online casinos. Some use "True" RNGs where the numbers are generated by hardware (radioactive decay) and other use pseudo-RNGs which are software generated. They may use a proprietary algorithm or one in the public domain. Personally I wouldn't play any of them because the mechanics of the number generation is hidden from you, unlike on a real wheel.
Title: Re: Looking for Good Random generators
Post by: I have cookies on June 03, 2011, 04:22:36 AM

Yes there exist and you only have to visit random.org.
Click on numbers and then advance and you can get any True Random Generated Numbers you want - they are based upon noise.
The down side is that you can only get sampels of 10.000 and at most 100.000 each day.