that's just my opinion.
the closest i have seen are from Victor and Kimo so far.
I am just an average player, any comments are welcome :-)
cheers,
BobbyBobby
How about hammys single street system.....not bad at the moment....but long term i dunno? :-\
Nicely put Mr.Chips [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
Truthfully,
Systems don't work, and can't work because of the house edge. There isn't one posted anywhere that can. This isn't to say that some aren't fun to play.
Strategies, like dealer's signature where the ball release number and wheel speed is taken into account can work. They have also been tested. Unfortunately it doesn't work on every wheel out there because of the physical conditions required.
-Herb
Well, finding the 'flawless' system is why we're here. Truth be told, the only way not to risk losing is to not play. At the same time, there are potential millionaire opportunities that await the individual that has a system that truly wins more than it loses. I believe, (and so do many of you, that we're inching closer and closer to the 'Holy Grail'. Any day now.
Don't think the "Holy Grail" exists Proof..... :-[
But I agree we are edging closer to something that can stand up for a long time..... 8)
I think wise stopwin and stoplos can do the job.. and patience of course
I agree Boo_Ray, the other thing for me is NOT trying to win too big a percentage of your bankroll
I think winning 25% of your bankroll is the absolute maximum :o
hi xman, i would beg to differ though.
winning 25% of your bankroll per session target you mean?
or just winning 25% of bankroll and never return?
Bobby
Per session Bobby ;)
I just think anything greater is asking too much that's all....
I like the idea of getting in n getting out....... 8)
eg bankroll for session is $500 IF you win $125 get the fook out of there.....
I would have to disagree on the main postulate.
A long term profitable system does exist. I am currently playing it in two variants and the key in both are to keep it simple and avoid progressions that kill your BR.
Its a system than can be applied to even bets/ dozens etc and works great. Simply accept that losses can occur and stop chasing the equalising bet.
I will elaborate if need be, just ask me polightly and remember, math is important, math is great, but math doesnt beat the game, the person behind it following the math does.
Kind regards,
Codegenic
Hi Codegenic, really?
I would love to be able to learn from you man, if you are okay to share.
Thanks. But if you not comfy, it's okay too.
Cheers,
BobbyBobby
Guys you are wasting time looking for holy grail before the holy grave catch you. There are quite a few systems on roulette, baccarat, and craps (no slots and RNGs), which are profitable in long run but stubborn and blind are only looking for holy sheet. The house advantage is for dummies only. It is mathematical formula which robs majority of players despite that a few enjoy roller coaster of winnings and losings with growing bankroll.
Yes, system which increase your bankroll by 20 to 50 % is an excellent system.
Lately, I enjoy to play the most exciting game, the craps. With $100 bankroll I win between $50 and $150 in 1 or 2 hours but I won already with $100 bankroll $1,500. It took me 45 minutes to shoot 96 rolls without 7 out and repeated the point 9 times. Sometimes other shooters lose my bankroll but no more than $100 because it's a stoploss. In craps jargon we say: "hell is other people", but craps is teamwork game. The win/loss ratio is around 5:1. I don't care about the house edge at all because that's for mathematicians, and the risk factor is not included. Not applicable for risk taking players. Remember: No Risk, No Gain. People looking for holy grail want to avoid risk (because of fear to lose - greed factor), and that doesn't work in our universe. Another factor, they want the holy grail for free, again there is no free lunch in the universe.
Hermes
I think the holy grail does exist - but we're just looking at it all wrong.
If Mr.X came to you and said here's a complete system that would win consistent profits and he proved it to you - you would consider it the holy grail.
No matter how big or small the profits, that's what I consider the holy grail... something that won't fail long term.
I've found a system to suit my playing style that I'm very confident will win me 10% of my bankroll in a session every time. Everybody here in this forum is just looking for the right way to play that suits them and meets their expectations. Lets not disagree with somebody's point of view because clearly some people out there have found systems that work long term and suit their playing styles.
Encourage thinking is the point of this forum!
I've found a system to suit my playing style that I'm very confident will win me 10% of my bankroll in a session every time.>>
Then you have the Grail, don't you. If you're BR was 100K ( not unusual for many people) you would win 10K in every session. You would make millions every year. Hundreds of millions if you had a really large BR.
Are you sure you have a 10% consistant winner?
Thank you all for taking an interest in my reply earlier on. I will share with you the two main tactics I use in play and the philosophy behind it.
Please bear with me though, I am Danish and some typos or gramatical errors may occur.
I spent nearly 2 months trying to find play that suited me, and as previously stated by another member on this thread I agree with him and his view on the importance of individual playingstyle. A system may work, but if it doesnt appeal to a certain individual, it no good.
The philosophy.
1. Roulette is for entertainment only. The sooner you realise this the better your game will be.
2. Acknowlegde that losses will occur with ANY system.
3. Accept those losses only to recover them over time ( same day, 10-20 spins later ).
4. If the above is acceptable you will never find the need to deviate from playing a certain system or style and you will never find your self tempted to try a crazy progression in order to recover lost bets with ONE winner that might not show up for a long run, hence kiling your BR.
Now lets look at system.
Its important for us to accept that nor the wheel or the ball has memory, which is why we experience sleepers, wakers, streaks etc.
Its also important to understand that roulette is a display of patterns, in which your play must be adapted to accordingly.
For instance, as posted earlier B/R play will consist of 3 patterns.
P1: RBRBRBRBR
- The crosspattern
P2: BBBBBBBBB
- The repetative pattern ( streaks )
P3:BBRBBRBBR
- The mixed pattern
All 3 must be adressed in a certain way in order to recover bets and still make a profit Read my post called "BR system"
By all means that is not a Holy Grail but information only and requires progression play.
I personally play a variant of the above, evading progressions.
Lets focus on the B/R play. Two types exist that will pay off in the end.
Highrollers game: ( Big BR and cojones ).
You pick a color, and you stick to it.
Start betting 1 unit if loose then you play the same bet again at 1 unit till the color appears.
When it does appear you look at the BR. If its lower than what you started out with then you bet the same color again, +2 units,
if its equal to or higher, then you restart cycle and play bet from start with 1 unit.
Graph - We bet the color Red with a BR of 20
Round Bet Outcome Balance
1 1 B 19
2 1 B 18
3 1 R 19
--- We notice that our BR isnt equal to 20 or above so we commence recovery play.
4 3 R 22
If we lost our bet in round 4, we would bet 4 units in round 5, and 6 units in round 6 etc. Always adding +1 unit to the rounds.
This is a risking method but it rewarding in the end. At some point you realise that having won still wont get you up to square, meaning that the bets need to be continued untill a breakeven is achieved or you are in plus. Example
You are down 8 in round 5 even though you won
continue increasing the bet with +1 unit till it evens or surpases your iniate BR.
For those who cant take losses at that magnitude, we play the staircases.
Still have to pick a color and stick to it. i.e Red, same BR at 20
Round Bet Outcome Balance
1 1 B 19
2 1+1 on Red and 1 on B R 20
Etc.
So you bet like a staircase. Increasing one and ONLY one unit on the color you picked( Red ), but adding a bet to the opposite color.
If your color comes home at a break even or more, then stop and repeat.
If loss, then increase R but remove the winning color. ( Some play without removal for BR damage control ).
An alternative would be that you win on R, but you are stuck with a unit on B, so you remove R and increase B to play all bets out before continuing. This can be fun, however taking a long time.
For each system, we play, hoping to hit the streaks. Dont worry about the 0, since this is basically the same as if B came out and not R. Meaning that its a color that you didnt bet. The moneymanagement in this is easy and your profits will either rise quickly or slowly, but nevertheless, you will still get up and out at the end of the day with a profit. You decide when to stop and importantly prove that man beats the machine, not math.
If any questions please feel free to ask.
//Codegenic
As I expected, I was asked to clarify :).
Two types of play, dozens and Colors.
Colors.
1 on Red - Loss
1+1 on Red and 1 on Black, Black wins
( now do 1 of 2 things ).
A. Increase Red so you are betting 3 in total and remove black.
B. Increase Red and remove Black.
Another scenario.
1 on Red - Loss
2 on Red 1 on Black, Red wins.
Either remove Red and increase on Black or
Remove Red and play on Black
3rd Scenario:
1 on Red - Loss
2 on Red + 1 on Black - Black wins
3 on red and keep betting the 1 on Black - Black wins
4 on Red, still bet Black with 1 unit only - Red wins.
As you see, its up to you to chose what suits you the best.
When it comes to dozens its a bit easier.
you play the following.
d1 = dozen 1,, d2= dozen 2 and d3= dozen 3
d1= 1 unit
d2= 1 unit
if win on either, have a coke and a smile and repeat.
if lose, then play as below
d1= 2 units
d2= 2 units
d3= 1 unit
if 3 wins then you remove it and increase +1 on d1 and d2.
This will even out the bets and give you profit in the long run, staircase...
Should d1 win and you are stille not even or above, then remove it, since it won, and increase on the ones that lost.
The idea is to play out all bets till you either break even or gain profit.
Very simple, VERY powerfull and it works. I would be glad to show you on video if needed. In case you doubt your own efforts and skills, then make an xls ark with the appropiate calculations. Its easy to visualise playing "virtual" bets and see that the method actually works.
The plays can be applied to all plays. Inside bets and outside bets. The key is to cover the bets that lost by increasing only with 1 unit and play them out till you break even or gain profit. Its fun, you get to play all the time, no waiting and you win.
//Codegenic
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on October 05, 2008, 04:02:31 PM
Well, finding the 'flawless' system is why we're here. Truth be told, the only way not to risk losing is to not play. At the same time, there are potential millionaire opportunities that await the individual that has a system that truly wins more than it loses. I believe, (and so do many of you, that we're inching closer and closer to the 'Holy Grail'. Any day now.
Thats is really a very positive sign! :D
"I believe, (and so do many of you,) that we're inching closer and closer to the 'Holy Grail'. Any day now." --- This subject has been brought up MANY times before. EVEN IF a GREAT roulette method/system has been "created", with FEW losing sessions, it will slowly be forgotten and we will all be right back at square one AGAIN. Peoples idea of a good method kills me. Unless it makes $700 an hour....then its crap. WTF? Most players dont want to sit there for 7 hours etc. Three hours MAX. and walk out with a few hundred profit is most likely (I could be wrong) not going to happen. Ken
I believe, (and so do many of you, that we're inching closer and closer to the 'Holy Grail'. Any day now.>>>
Dangerous thinking, based on nothing. You are better off just plodding along and investigating, it stops you from putting too much emotion into something that is probably a dead end. Always rememer that people far smarter than you have been trying to beat roulette for 200 years. Math genius college professors dedicated years of their spare time to the project and came up with zippo. Think about it..
Quote from: mr j on October 06, 2008, 10:51:28 AM
"I believe, (and so do many of you,) that we're inching closer and closer to the 'Holy Grail'. Any day now." --- This subject has been brought up MANY times before. EVEN IF a GREAT roulette method/system has been "created", with FEW losing sessions, it will slowly be forgotten and we will all be right back at square one AGAIN. Peoples idea of a good method kills me. Unless it makes $700 an hour....then its crap. WTF? Most players dont want to sit there for 7 hours etc. Three hours MAX. and walk out with a few hundred profit is most likely (I could be wrong) not going to happen. Ken
I will be happy to grind 3 hours for 300 units :)
I am content with the way things are running now. Making 50-70 euros in roughly 30 minutes a day.
//Codegenic
Quote from: mr j on October 06, 2008, 10:51:28 AM
"I believe, (and so do many of you,) that we're inching closer and closer to the 'Holy Grail'. Any day now." --- This subject has been brought up MANY times before. EVEN IF a GREAT roulette method/system has been "created", with FEW losing sessions, it will slowly be forgotten and we will all be right back at square one AGAIN. Peoples idea of a good method kills me. Unless it makes $700 an hour....then its crap. WTF? Most players dont want to sit there for 7 hours etc. Three hours MAX. and walk out with a few hundred profit is most likely (I could be wrong) not going to happen. Ken
The system only need to make 10 units a day. When played with 25 (online max. @ dublinbet) per unit, that's $ 250 a day. That's my personal goal.
I would feel more comfortable playing for 7 hours and net $500 compared to playing for 3 hours and netting $250. Ken
Quote from: Spike on October 06, 2008, 05:26:51 PM
I believe, (and so do many of you, that we're inching closer and closer to the 'Holy Grail'. Any day now.>>>
Dangerous thinking, based on nothing. You are better off just plodding along and investigating, it stops you from putting too much emotion into something that is probably a dead end. Always rememer that people far smarter than you have been trying to beat roulette for 200 years. Math genius college professors dedicated years of their spare time to the project and came up with zippo. Think about it..
There were smart people and there were math genius college professors... BUT meaning of being smart doesn't mean that you have control over yourself.. And wait, who knows how smart are we? We just didn't studied math to became professors because we have diferent interests.. We all study roulette, we are here to beat roulette not to invent some mathematical fact..
QuoteHerb,
You keep saying no system works because of the house edge, ok lets nail this down. How does a system have to perform, in order for you to agree that it has overcome the house edge. Does it have to be in profit for x number of spins, be profitable in the casino for x number of years. What?
It's no good regurgitating endless maths theory, sometime you have to face reality and when a system makes a profit in a casino year after year and the losses are minimul, you have to come up with an explanation, as to how it is overcoming the house edge and for your maths theory to have any credibility, explain how theory conflicts with the reality of long term profits.
Mr Chips
Mr Chips, surely the onus is on the one who makes the claims that the maths theory is invalid to show how it is invalid?
This is not possible though, because the proof that all systems fail involves an
assumption that roulette is a game of independent trials. If you remove that assumption, the proof fails and a winning gambling system is possible. There is no way to prove
mathematically that spins are independent, but it has been shown empirically that they are, and if the probability formulas (binomial distribution), which also assume independence, do in fact accurately "predict" the results (which they do), then this appears to be fairly weighty evidence that spins
are independent.
Roulette is a fair game only if (1) it is unbiased, and (2) outcomes are independent of each other. If one of these is not true then it may be possible to find an advantage. Someone who commits the gambler's fallacy is being inconsistent in that he assumes the game is fair and yet expects past outcomes to affect (or at least,
indicate) future outcomes. "10 blacks in a row have come up, and since the wheel is fair, black and red have to come up equally often, therefore, red has to come up soon, so I'll start betting red". But red would only be more likely to come up if the spins were not independent, which is inconsistent with the gambler's premise that the wheel is fair, hence the fallacy.
Since there are 2 ways to be unfair (biased, not independent outcomes), there are 4 possibilities for roulette:
(1) Fair: unbiased wheel, independent outcomes
(2) Unfair: unbiased wheel, not independent outcomes
(3) Unfair: biased wheel, independent outcomes
(4) Unfair: biased wheel, not independent outcomes
The
game (in an abstract sense) falls under (1), and is accurately described by the maths theory. (2)
may be possible when the dealer makes an appearance, (I don't know, maybe some bias is necessary for dealer signature to work) (3) and (4) are Herb's domain, with (4) involving the dealer influence too.
I'm pretty sure that Herb thinks along the same lines as the above, so it's not surprising that he rejects any claims that a winning system is possible, given scenario (1). It's up to you to demonstrate that the theory does not apply (
not that it has no credibility) by virtue of the fact that outcomes are not independent; ie, that there is some regularity in the outcomes that you have detected and are able to exploit. The theory is sound and the proof is complete, the only margin for error lies in the fact math can only
model the behaviour of the real world, not describe it completely.
There is an argument which says it's hard to conceive of any reason why spins should
not be independent, in the absence of dealer, (or any other influence) and this is put forward to give weight to the notion that no winning system is possible. But I believe that the data should stand on its own, after all, there are plenty of phenomena that we exploit without knowing the causes of it. In this respect, I can understand your irritation with Herb in that if a system tested here appears to be doing well, he demands more testing, but in his own testing of bias wheels, would he need the amount of evidence that the wheel is biased that he requires from those testing non-physical methods here? I think not. The point being that biased wheels
do exist and
do confer an advantage, whereas there is no obvious reason how independence of outcomes arise, and because of this "ignorance", more data is demanded. This appears to me as somewhat disingenuous (no offense intended Herb ;) ).
Bliss,
A very good post.
[smiley=thumbsup.gif]
/KFS
Hey Codegenic,
Nice post about your system, am testing it on colors (even bets) and it seems to make sense..the only problem I see with it is if you start hitting very long streaks, then you'd need an appropriate BR to carry you through (until you either break even or atleast come close and then re-start)..how long have you been testing the method for? And you said you don't use progressions, would be interested to know how that works..but nevertheless, thanks again and best o'luck!
MD 8)
QuoteBliss,
A very good post.
Thanks KFS, I doubt whether Mr Chips will agree with you though. :-\
Quote from: mystidark on October 07, 2008, 10:02:20 AM
Hey Codegenic,
Nice post about your system, am testing it on colors (even bets) and it seems to make sense..the only problem I see with it is if you start hitting very long streaks, then you'd need an appropriate BR to carry you through (until you either break even or atleast come close and then re-start)..how long have you been testing the method for? And you said you don't use progressions, would be interested to know how that works..but nevertheless, thanks again and best o'luck!
MD 8)
I personally flatbet.
A different system that derrives from this.
bet R - loose
bet R +1 and 1 on B
if R wins then remove B and increase R +1 ( if you wish to gain more profit or just restart cycle )
if B wins - remove R and increase B +1
If I play with large BR
I bet aggresive.
bet R till it looses.
Then continue betting R till first win and increase R +2
keep betting it till R looses twice again and so forth, increasing R +1 each round... This will generate huge amount of profit.
As below
R
R
R
B
B - lost twice so you either shift to B or continue R with 1 unit still till it hits...
B
B
R - R won so increase bet
R +2
R +2
B
B
still bet R +2
R - now increase again
R +2 +1
R +2 +1
R +2 +1
B
B
And you catch my drift.
Hey Code,
Thanks for sharing the new idea..seems like it can really grow one's BR but a bad streak might end up killing your game...do u play with any conditions, such as switching colors, stopping at a certain cut-off point? Guessing you set yourself a certain target winning amount each session, seems like the best way to play it...hmmm, can't wait to try it out, nuthing like finding a good moneymaker ;)
MD 8)
Quote from: xman1970 on October 05, 2008, 04:12:59 PM
Don't think the "Holy Grail" exists Proof..... :-[
But I agree we are edging closer to something that can stand up for a long time..... 8)
People have been trying to beat the wheel for over 200 years ,still no one can do it. :-(
Quote from: Kingspin on October 07, 2008, 05:00:55 PM
Quote from: xman1970 on October 05, 2008, 04:12:59 PM
Don't think the "Holy Grail" exists Proof..... :-[
But I agree we are edging closer to something that can stand up for a long time..... 8)
People have been trying to beat the wheel for over 200 years ,still no one can do it. :-(
Ehhh one has to be the first?
Quote from: mystidark on October 07, 2008, 04:26:14 PM
Hey Code,
Thanks for sharing the new idea..seems like it can really grow one's BR but a bad streak might end up killing your game...do u play with any conditions, such as switching colors, stopping at a certain cut-off point? Guessing you set yourself a certain target winning amount each session, seems like the best way to play it...hmmm, can't wait to try it out, nuthing like finding a good moneymaker ;)
MD 8)
I follow 3 simple rules.
If 0 hits, then I raise bets +1 equally, this way I covered the loss.
Bad streaks doesnt really exists, since I play out the bets, this way winning less but still winning on any of the two colors
Play for funmoney always to get familiar with the playing style, this way you might find something in between that suits you better.
I dont have a target win. I play for half an hour, this way I hit the same amount + 5 units everytime. However the triggers in this game is selfcontrol. If you hit breakeven or above, then you MUST restart cycle. Many fail and kill their BR not oing so, thinking they can get just one more spin in it.
//Codegenic
54 years ago Britain's Roger Bannister achieved what had once been thought impossible. He ran a mile in less than four minutes.
In a race at Oxford University's Iffley Road track on May 6, 1954, Bannister crossed the finish line in 3:59.4. He was helped by two close friends, Chris Brasher, who led through the quarter mile in 57.5 seconds and the half in 1 minute 58 seconds, and by Chris Chataway, who went to the three-quarters in 3:00.7.
Many track-and-field experts consider Bannister's feat the most important event in the sport's history, one challenged only by Jesse Owens's in May 1935 when he broke three world records and tied a fourth in less than two hours.
Once Bannister had cracked the mythical barrier, it did not take long for others to follow. Only 46 days later, John Landy of Australia lowered the record to 3:58. And by mid-1958, Herb Elliott, another Australian, had brought the mark down to 3:54.5 in a race in which the next four finishers all ran 3:58.6 or better.
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I'm sure what negative peopel here 'think' about not being able to beat the wheel will one day be in for a suprise just like the people who 'thought' it was impossible to run the 4 minute mile.
Whatever the mind can conceive and believe, it can achieve. ;)
You got a good analogy there Fluker...the only thing is, when someone does find the ultimate HG, and I mean the ultimate HG..he'd better take a blood oath to people that he gives it too..cuz if it becomes public and the casinos find out, who knows what measures they'll implement...5 zeroes anyone? ;) Just food for thought...but hey, get back to work!
MD 8)
Quote from: codegenic on October 07, 2008, 06:03:39 PM
I dont have a target win. I play for half an hour, this way I hit the same amount + 5 units everytime. However the triggers in this game is selfcontrol. If you hit breakeven or above, then you MUST restart cycle. Many fail and kill their BR not oing so, thinking they can get just one more spin in it.
//Codegenic
I think that's key CG, really want to sink my teeth into the method...will keep u posted with any questions or results I get..
MD 8)
QuoteMany track-and-field experts consider Bannister's feat the most important event in the sport's history, one challenged only by Jesse Owens's in May 1935 when he broke three world records and tied a fourth in less than two hours.
QuoteOnce Bannister had cracked the mythical barrier, it did not take long for others to follow. Only 46 days later, John Landy of Australia lowered the record to 3:58. And by mid-1958, Herb Elliott, another Australian, had brought the mark down to 3:54.5 in a race in which the next four finishers all ran 3:58.6 or better.
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I'm sure what negative peopel here 'think' about not being able to beat the wheel will one day be in for a suprise just like the people who 'thought' it was impossible to run the 4 minute mile.
Whatever the mind can conceive and believe, it can achieve.
Running a race at a record pace remains theoretically possible, even if it's difficult to imagine. Beating the random game of roulette in the long run with a system is theoretically not possible, regardless of your imagination.
However, it is possible to beat the gaming device.
I just read about two weeks ago, a live online roulette wheel was closed down because a guy won $44K.
I am also inspired by Gamlet, who won $100K in 6 months playing roulette. That isn't possible, is it?
While neither may divulge their secrets (and it's their right), the Holy Grail is there, just waiting for the 'right' system. It may be a combination of systems, like putting 4 selecta, GUT, and Compa's cadence together. Think Rubik's cube.
The casinos don't want you to find the Grail, either.
If you believe that Gamlet won $100k by playing the enigimista, then you should see my $150 million win while playing the enigimista. lol.
Gamlet was busted faking his win on RR. It was nothing more than a photoshop job.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on October 07, 2008, 06:42:26 PM
I just read about two weeks ago, a live online roulette wheel was closed down because a guy won $44K.
Hi Proof
Are on about the guy that closed down the Dash Casino Live Wheel ??
The thread is below & it was 400,000 euros :o :o :o
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@herb,
were you the one that busted him?
@Xman
that page was removed or deleted
cd
Yes, I did. I'm Farnsworth on RR.
Ooops....
Bloody technology :-[
Let's try again CD sorry.... :-[
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Just checked it this time & it worked for me.....[smiley=thumbsup.gif]
Quote from: codegenic on October 07, 2008, 03:06:22 PM
I personally flatbet.
A different system that derrives from this.
bet R - loose
bet R +1 and 1 on B
if R wins then remove B and increase R +1 ( if you wish to gain more profit or just restart cycle )
if B wins - remove R and increase B +1
Hey CG,
In your above method, in this following situation:
Bet R - Loose
Bet R + 1 and 1 on B
If R Wins (either restart or play increase R + 1, preferably restart)
If B Wins, remove R and increase B + 1...
Now what would u do, if Black wins and your B + 1 bet looses? Would you restart taking the -4units loss or would you continue your betting cycle? And if yes, how would you do it?
Thanks,
MD 8)
MD
You play the color till it loses. Any loss is recovered this way. Granted it will increase at one point, but easily recovered by sticking to the plan, something that most cant handle, since the visual loss impales them with fear.
I would play the system like this.
For the ease of it, we dont play a particular color, and lets add a strategy of following winning color.
bet R - L
bet B - W
bet B again and play it out.
B
B
R - L
bet R again since this could recover the unit lost.
if R wins, then you play it till B hits and disrupts the streak.
if B wins, then you have a pattern of crossing, meaning you do this.
B wins - bet B+1 and R at 1.
no matter what color wins now, you bet it again at 1 unit ( no progression ).
if you experience another cross :
RBR . then you switch the +1 unit bet to the color that just won, meaning yo now bet color at 2 unit and the other color at 1 unit.
Below you see the entire play containing the above mentioned explanations.
BR=10
1 unit B - L - BR 9
1 unit R - W - BR 10
1 unit R - W - BR 11
1 unit R - W - BR 12
1 unit R - W - BR 13
1 unit R - L - BR 12
1 unit B - W - BR 13
1 unit B - L - BR 12
1 unit R - L BR 11 ( notice losing twice in a row, equals the cross pattern and thus we have our trigger )
1 unit B ( since it won last ) +1 and 1 unit R - B wins - BR 12
1 unit B - W - BR - 13
1 unit B - W - BR - 14
Now in case we actually won on R and not B the moment we bettet +1 earlier on, then we would simply bet R next +2 and B at 1 to recover.
I hope it clears things out.
//Codegenic
:) First of all I just want to say hi to all of you girls and guys here in this forum. For me who is more or less a newbee to roulette it's just the place to be. altough after a couple of hours of studying in here, my brain always turns round in my head like a sort of roulette wheel. ;D So thanks to all of you for sharing your knowledge and ideas. :)
@codegenic:
Trying my first stepps with your system I've already run into my first difficulties using it on a wiesbaden permanence. maybe you could help and tell me how you would play this sequence?
B
R
B
R
R
B
R
B
R
R
R
B
As bet selection is "follow winnig colour" and first spin was B we would start with B and lose.
could you please explain how to bet now until the end of this sequence. call me a fool, call me stupid but I just don't get it right. :(
Thanks very much in advance. :)
Quote from: HansHuckebein on October 10, 2008, 02:41:55 PM
:) First of all I just want to say hi to all of you girls and guys here in this forum. For me who is more or less a newbee to roulette it's just the place to be. altough after a couple of hours of studying in here, my brain always turns round in my head like a sort of roulette wheel. ;D So thanks to all of you for sharing your knowledge and ideas. :)
@codegenic:
Trying my first stepps with your system I've already run into my first difficulties using it on a wiesbaden permanence. maybe you could help and tell me how you would play this sequence?
B
R
B
R
R
B
R
B
R
R
R
B
As bet selection is "follow winnig colour" and first spin was B we would start with B and lose.
could you please explain how to bet now until the end of this sequence. call me a fool, call me stupid but I just don't get it right. :(
Thanks very much in advance. :)
I would play it like this, using a small progression
B - bet 1 unit ( loss )
R - bet 1 unit ( loss )
B - bet 1 unit ( loss ), we have just experienced a cross pattern and can play it two ways.
R - bet 2 on B and 1 on R ( R wins so we lost 1 unit )
R - next hit the repeat button ( a feature at my casino that repeats last bet ) and remove bet on B while adding a unit to R. Or just bet 1
B - bet 1 unit ( loss )
R - bet 2 on B and 1 on R
B - bet 2 on red and 1 on B
R - Continue betting 2 on R, since we hope to hit streak.
R - Continue betting 2 on R
R - Continue hitting 2 on R... By now you should have recovered your losses, restart cycle.
B - bet 1 on B ( loss ) etc.
//Codegenic
Mr. Chips,
Let me get this straight. Are you actually trying to say that roulette IS NOT a game of independent trials? ;D
Mr. Chips, You're joking, right? For starters:
1. Not one of your systems work. Not even a little bit.
2. It's quite obvious that the game IS a game of independent trials. Why? The casino doesn't block each number after it has hit.
They also do not call "no spin" if a number repeats. This means that there are 37 possible slots into which the ball can land each and every spin. This means the odds of an individual number hitting remains a steady 1/37. It does not change. ;D
-Herb
I'm not the only one saying that roulette is a game of independent trials.
Are you saying that the following people lack credibility as well? lol ;D
Wikipedia
Every Encyclopedia in existence.
The Wizard of Odds
Dr. Edward Thorp
Dr. Claude Shannon
Dr. Roy Walford.
Einstien and
his lesser known step brother, Cletus.
-Herb
Snow-Every system[method] apart from 1,I know of tank's eventually BUT all the system's posted and tested over @V.I.P never went the distance-maybe it's the same thing as death -i hope ? When we all see the light.lol---Gamblers refuse to admit the house edge can't be defeated.
LOL! Awesome response Mr. Chips! Well said ;D
Mr. Chips,
You can't call a system successful using test spins, it can only be judged using real money bets.
Herb,
Quit being silly, there are pro gamblers making lots of money playing roulette. Their systems work long term with proper money mangement. Some of the systems here would win long term with the proper money management, that's where alot of the skill and savvy comes in.
hammy
Mr. Chips,
Which of the names that I listed do you feel lack an understanding of the game of roulette?
Wikipedia
Every Encyclopedia in existence.
The Wizard of Odds
Dr. Edward Thorp
Dr. Claude Shannon
Dr. Roy Walford.
Einstien and
his lesser known step brother, Cletus.
One more thing:
A quick show of hands. Who believes that Mr. Chip's system, the 4 Selectra, works? Don't raise you hand, unless you truly believe that it will win money in the long run.
Quote from: hammy on October 10, 2008, 08:52:33 PM
Mr. Chips,
You can't call a system successful using test spins, it can only be judged using real money bets.
hammy
hammy
Why would you say that?
sammy
Hi guys,
Seriously whats the point of all this constant bickering? If Mr chips has found a system that works for him, i say GOOD ON HIM!!!! PROPS for that. If you find that it doesnt work for you, then so be it... don't play it then ... :S. Whats with the "slapping" back and forth. THis isnt a kiddie's playground u know.
Hams
hamsup
So, so true!
Sam
Quote from: Herb on October 10, 2008, 09:23:20 PM
One more thing:
A quick show of hands. Who believes that Mr. Chip's system, the 4 Selectra, works? Don't raise you hand, unless you truly believe that it will win money in the long run.
Herb
I had to sleep on this as you left no wiggle room in your question. Of course, I don't know how long the "long run" is, but I will apply my definition to it. I don't know how a person can "believe" vs "truly believe"...either you believe or you don't.
I would prefer your question had been, "Who sees promise in the 4Selecta? Who
thinks Chips is onto something?" But you didn't. So I will answer the question: Yes!
Now, let's examine your phrase "win money". That's
any amount of money in the long run.
At Bella Vegas, I can bet .50 per number, so I will definitely see if the 4Selecta can win money in the long run. I will post my finding which can always be proven with screen capture video.
I will be honest and truthful about my results and we'll just see where it goes.
Good Day!!
Samster
Sammy,
You asked why I said :
"You can't call a system successful using test spins, it can only be judged using real money bets."
Well, as you probably already have experienced something funny happens when you put "real" money down on a system. Maybe it's "scared money", I don't know but a system can perform well with test spins and not so well with real money bets. That's all I meant when I said it.
However, if it still performs well in the long run with real money on the line, then you have a sound system.
To me, "in the long run" means you are still profitting (ahead in real money) after a couple of months play or after say 50 real money sessions. It means you have probably had a few setbacks but recovered.
cheers guys and gals !
hammy
hammy
You understand this is a friendly discussion, don't you?
Let me pose this question: A system works on paper for 5,000 spins. bj devises a software that will place real bets exactly as the paper test did only using real money. Would it work?
Sam
sam,
no reason to say it wouldn't work, BUT the real test is real money bets ;)
That's all I'm saying.
hammy
ham
I said: only using real money.
Then you said: BUT the real test is real money bets
We're never going to get into an argument if you keep agreeing with me!
sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on October 12, 2008, 04:04:04 PM
ham
I said: only using real money.
Then you said: BUT the real test is real money bets
We're never going to get into an argument if you keep agreeing with me!
sam
Hhahahahahahah Lmao @ Sam.
You are a gem.
Lanky.
ok, sorry Sam, I think I see what you are saying.
would it work ? I don't know ? did you try it with real money ? if so, did it work ?
This is still a friendly discussion, right ? :-*
hammy
hammy
I'm trying it with real money now.
Laters.....
Sam
hope you don't lose all your quarters Sammy ;D
good luck :D
Thanks!!
I'll lose a few and win a few and we'll see what shakes out.
Samster
Hi Bobby,
CD's root system is the best system to follow. I beleive if anyone looks for a winning system, that is the one. Strict discipline and money management is the key. Good Luck to all of you.
hi hideseek, thanks for your message. :-)
by the way, i can't really find CD root system. can you kindly show me the link please? thanks :-)
BobbyBobby
I think he means this
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/full-systems/clothdog's-root-system/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/full-systems/clothdog's-root-system/)
When you do a search, first click the magnifying glass and than select ''Match any words''.
Question:
How long is long term?
Your long term may be longer than mine but shorter than somebody elses?
bb
Bro, you've been posting for a year about the real money you won at CasinoWebCam and Ladbrooke's.
$4,000 here and $5,000 there! When are you going to loose if nothing works long term.
Sam
simple systems do work, the way to make them win is to take advantage of probabilities, yes the game is independant trials but past spins are an indicator to what you your next bet could be, the probability that 10 red or blacks come up in a row is 2x2x2x2x2x2x2x2x2x2=1/1024, the chances of that happening twice in a row would be 1024x1024=1048576 strictly speaking - the 2.7% edge is around 1/1000000
now i hope my maths is correct for working out probabilities or im going to look at idiot lol! this is an extreme example but im pretty sure if this is correct i should be able to take advantage of a 1/1000000 chance of losing, and i understand that you wont bet 1000000 times before this appears but that should be possible to beat.
and 1 more thing, the maths on here says you should still lose to the house edge but remember roulette is not a game of maths, its a game of chances.
Hi Sam, i was talking about Simple system. There are system that work long-term (to me as long as over 6 months or more and it's profitable, it's good), but they are not simple.
that's just my opinion. :-)
cheers.
Bobby
Quote from: TwoCatSam on October 24, 2008, 11:20:58 AM
bb
Bro, you've been posting for a year about the real money you won at CasinoWebCam and Ladbrooke's.
$4,000 here and $5,000 there! When are you going to loose if nothing works long term.
Sam
@ hideseek, holysmoke... thanks for alerting me on that.
I have using only flat bets using ClothDog's Root System.
$126 starting bankroll, now at $400+ after over 200 spins.
maybe it's just my good luck? but it's hitting so frequently!!
gosh..
BobbyBobby
Quote from: ryan08 on October 25, 2008, 11:42:36 PM
simple systems do work, the way to make them win is to take advantage of probabilities, yes the game is independant trials but past spins are an indicator to what you your next bet could be, the probability that 10 red or blacks come up in a row is 2x2x2x2x2x2x2x2x2x2=1/1024, the chances of that happening twice in a row would be 1024x1024=1048576 strictly speaking - the 2.7% edge is around 1/1000000
now I hope my maths is correct for working out probabilities or im going to look at idiot lol! this is an extreme example but im pretty sure if this is correct I should be able to take advantage of a 1/1000000 chance of losing, and I understand that you wont bet 1000000 times before this appears but that should be possible to beat.
and 1 more thing, the maths on here says you should still lose to the house edge but remember roulette is not a game of maths, its a game of chances.
When they are independent, there isn't any connection to what's coming. But I agree with you, have you ever seen 100 reds hit in a row?
Self control is the key!!!!!
QuoteSelf control is the key!!!!!
No it's not. It doesn't make a losing system a winner. So don't punish yourself whenever you lose.
QuoteBut I agree with you, have you ever seen 100 reds hit in a row?
Rare events happen everytime you watch the game. Events that are far more rare than witnessing 100 reds in a row.
Take for example the first 100 spins of the wheel. Do you realize how rare of an event that is? Nobody is likely to ever witness those numbers to come in the exact or that the occurred, ever again. The odds of them hitting in that exact order again would be 1/38^100
So don't fool yourself. Rare events are common in roulette. :)
Herb
ok, maybe i am wrong.
i just discovered the GPM method by Kimo Li is very near a simple methodology.
figuring that one out now. anyone interested to exchange ideas, please PM me!
cheers!
:-)
BobbyBobby
Quote from: bobbybobby on November 13, 2008, 03:51:27 AM
ok, maybe I am wrong.
i just discovered the GPM method by Kimo Li is very near a simple methodology.
figuring that one out now. anyone interested to exchange ideas, please PM me!
cheers!
:-)
BobbyBobby
but it is not a system...
method and system are two diferent things
Quote from: Herb on November 13, 2008, 12:11:37 AM
QuoteSelf control is the key!!!!!
No it's not. It doesn't make a losing system a winner. So don't punish yourself whenever you lose.
QuoteBut I agree with you, have you ever seen 100 reds hit in a row?
Rare events happen everytime you watch the game. Events that are far more rare than witnessing 100 reds in a row.
Take for example the first 100 spins of the wheel. Do you realize how rare of an event that is? Nobody is likely to ever witness those numbers to come in the exact or that the occurred, ever again. The odds of them hitting in that exact order again would be 1/38^100
So don't fool yourself. Rare events are common in roulette. :)
Herb
what are the examples of rare events or would you call them imbalances.
Like 12 reds in a row
1st dozen appear 12 times etc
Hi see_jerek, and all,
I hope I didn't misunderstand your question...
Here's an example of a RARE event:
Wiesbaden Table #3, yesterday, from spin #1:
29 - 3 - 24 - 13 - 14 - 20 - 8
This sequence will happen once in 94,931,877,133 spins...
Say one spin every second minute, 24/7, then it will happen like [highlight]once in 21,673,944 years[/highlight]...
That's rare, no?
Another rare event happened right after those seven spins:
15 - 12 - 26 - 11 - 0 - 28 - 36 - 21
Actually, this event is 37 times more rare than the above; will happen [highlight]once in 801,935,948 years[/highlight]...
You can read about rare events in my doc "Roulette Probability Made Easier" in the reference area:
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/reference-area/roulette-probability-made-easier-t2193/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/reference-area/roulette-probability-made-easier-t2193/)
Regards,
KFS
Quote from: Kon-Fu-Sed on November 13, 2008, 07:08:14 AM
Hi see_jerek, and all,
I hope I didn't misunderstand your question...
Here's an example of a RARE event:
Wiesbaden Table #3, yesterday, from spin #1:
29 - 3 - 24 - 13 - 14 - 20 - 8
This sequence will happen once in 94,931,877,133 spins...
Say one spin every second minute, 24/7, then it will happen like [highlight]once in 21,673,944 years[/highlight]...
That's rare, no?
Another rare event happened right after those seven spins:
15 - 12 - 26 - 11 - 0 - 28 - 36 - 21
Actually, this event is 37 times more rare than the above; will happen [highlight]once in 801,935,948 years[/highlight]...
You can read about rare events in my doc "Roulette Probability Made Easier" in the reference area:
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/reference-area/roulette-probability-made-easier-t2193/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/reference-area/roulette-probability-made-easier-t2193/)
Regards,
KFS
Hello KFS
Thank you for your respond,if its rare as it happen like what you stated how come herb make a statement that rare events are common.What are the kind of rare events that are common?
This is the thing that interest me.
Is it like Red come 12 times and you start to back black as the odds for it to become black is getting higher and higher.But then again,we all know that the wheel has no memory and every number has an equal chance of hitting in a spin.
Hi see_jerek, and all,
Well, I have to say that such "rare" events as I showed examples of above, really happens all the time.
Use my first example:
It's seven spins - spins #1 to #7.
The probability for that sequence to happen in that order is 1 / 94,931,877,133 (37^7)
If you take the seven spins #2 to #8 it is the exact same probability for that sequence to happen in that order.
The same for spins #3 to #9.
Etc etc...
Yesterday there were 405 spins at Table #3 so there were 393 seven-spins sequences (rare events) that day.
I
think that's what Herb meant - such rare events happen all the time.
(But he should answer that himself.)
What I mean is:
They are rare - you will
probably not find any one of those 393 sequences at that table again in your life-time.
You compare with a sequence of 12 reds... Do you think it's a rare event?
Well, 1 / 5691... Given 400 spins (=389 12-spins sequences) / day that will happen [highlight]every fortnight[/highlight].
(14.6 days...)
On that table only. How many tables are there at Wiesbaden?
Rare...?
Quote
start to back black as the odds for it to become black is getting higher and higher.
Sorry, so far not one single person has shown this to be true.
Actually; as you can read in my doc (the post "It will even out") the probability is HIGHER that it will CONTINUE OR BE ZERO (19/37 for this vs 18/37 for Black to come).
It is of course also 19/37 for BLACK OR ZERO to hit vs 18/37 for Red to continue...
(I just love math ;))
There's also a post ("The wake-up") that deals with the assumption that a "sleeping" number that wakes up, starts hitting a lot -
as we all have seen numerous times.
That would also be an "even out" event.
But is not, I'm afraid.
Regards,
KFS
(Last post for today - "rules")
KonFuSed,
I like it when you post. It's nice to see someone else posting factual information. The board learns when you post. :)
-Herb
Quote from: Kon-Fu-Sed on November 13, 2008, 08:52:37 AM
Quote
start to back black as the odds for it to become black is getting higher and higher.
Sorry, so far not one single person has shown this to be true.
It's quite trivial that it's true. There has to be a black spun sooner or later.
The question is whether it occurs within the progression limit.
People only want a miracle, not a winning method. People want to BEAT the game, show some mathematical edge rather than just be able to grind out a nice profit!
If they only want a miracle, then it's all good. :yahoo:
Someone said that we're inching closer to the HG. I think that is epic FALE. ;)
That could perhaps, although not likely, be the truth if people actually co-operated here. But they don't.
Someone new shows up, says what's been tried for ages, spits the dummy when showed that it won't work, and then some bashing commences.
And then it continues.
The search for the HG here is like walking 10 cats on a leach - not going anywhere...
If there was a HG, someone would have it by now. Smarter people than us have tried for ages, and the weren't interrupted by idiots (noobs, hinters, sellers) all the time.
Not saying it can't be beat, it just can't be beat with mathematic systems.
The HG has been found !! Perfect VB . Pascal thought he had the last laugh . Then the VB cats had the last laugh but now the casinos have tightened the screws. :diablo:
The holy grail does exist. I saw a guy use it on TV.
This dude sold everything he owned including all his clothes (I think he even sold his girlfriend), and took every penny he had to his name, cashed in stocks, cashed in retirement accounts, etc. and raised $167,000. He then flew to Las Vegas and bet the entire amount on one spin at the roulette wheel at the Plaza casino. He bet on red.
He won.
To Herb,
in you post #3 you wrote;
Systems don't work, and can't work because of the house edge. There isn't one posted anywhere that can. This isn't to say that some aren't fun to play.
Strategies, like dealer's signature where the ball release number and wheel speed is taken into account can work. They have also been tested. Unfortunately it doesn't work on every wheel out there because of the physical conditions required.
-Herb
--------------------
What you think (and everyone) about casinos what have games without hause edge - like Betvoyager?
I can understund that is no such system what is 100% winning, but somone could play in some way, use varius systems, bets and MM. Those guys would not share this or sell it to no one!
Thanks
Quote from: Herb on October 05, 2008, 03:22:00 PM
Truthfully,
Systems don't work, and can't work because of the house edge. There isn't one posted anywhere that can. This isn't to say that some aren't fun to play.
Strategies, like dealer's signature where the ball release number and wheel speed is taken into account can work. They have also been tested. Unfortunately it doesn't work on every wheel out there because of the physical conditions required.
-Herb
Isn't a 'system' a collection of methods, the latter which are strategies and/or techniques?
Hi,
i usually play the automated roulette with live ball,and yes so no dealer,when im in a good state of mind,which is essential for roulette,i eventually double my BR within 10 spins,with a number of strategy i pick from SINJUIN ROULETTE.
Im now becoming a more confident player,the way i play i put great emphasis on EVEN/ODD,1-18 18-36 which believe me can increase your win,which where i play,many players neglect,as they chase mors single numbers and sector for big easy win(according to them) and miss other opportunities.
Seykid (soon to be a semi-pro :)) )
Quotethat's just my opinion.
the closest I have seen are from Victor and Kimo so far.
Well i woundering if you are the same Bobby who scam see_jerek? long story short.
LS
Anyone who has a solid method, system or whatever you call it, is not going to post it on a public forum.
Quote from: Diarmaid on September 21, 2009, 07:47:32 AM
Anyone who has a solid method, system or whatever you call it, is not going to post it on a public forum.
Why not?
Quote from: bombus on September 21, 2009, 07:58:55 AM
Why not?
ehhh, do you really not know the answer to that? :swoon:
I'm not saying people will not help, obviously people have, I have learned a lot from VLS, I mean someone with a 100% solid method is not going to spoon feed a whole public forum with his method.
Qoute:
"Anyone who has a solid method, system or whatever you call it, is not going to post it on a public forum."
I would spell it out like this.
Even money bets.
Anyone who has an Estat of 2.5 or above, flat betting with placed bets "with an positive expectaion", is not going to post it on a public forum.
You might find hints no more or less.
Numbers.
Anyone who has the skills and the edge using VB "with an positive expectation", is not going to post it on a public forum.
You might find hints no more or less.
LS
Thanks LS, thats what I was trying to say. :good:
Quote:
Why not?
1) It does not exist a way to gain an poistive expectaion.
2) No one would let the casino taking counter measuring methods against that particular method.
3) If you have a way to make your money become more money just walking into an casino would you like every one to do the same thing, hehehe would that be the end of the game we call roulette.
4) The only way you will find out the truth is to skip all the posts that does not give you the following.
a) An value for an certan event.
b) How to apply math.
c) Explain the probability behind it.
d) Show you significant statistics results why it works or fail.
LS
Hello Lucky Strike,
Quote by LS
QuoteI would spell it out like this.
Even money bets.
Anyone who has an Estat of 2.5 or above, flat betting with placed bets "with an positive expectaion", is not going to post it on a public forum.
You might find hints no more or less.
Thank you very much
Regards
sniper
QuoteThank you very much
I do not claim to have an Estat of 2.5 or above I just say that it what you need if there is going to be a chance to gain more then you lose long term.
I do not brag about things like this or make empty statments about it.
Even I post fun action player methods because it is fun and I enjoy it.
But the gambling world is a hard place to grasp and it is an cruel gambling world and now I did not mention all the expectations and dreams some members want to become true.
There is facts and fiction.
And one of them is there will not be an public post "get all" and quit work.
LS
Spot on Lucky. :good:
Quote from: Lucky Strike on September 21, 2009, 08:17:44 AM
Quote:
Why not?
1) It does not exist a way to gain an poistive expectaion.
LS
That'll do...
But do you fully understand what he is saying bombus?
There is never a positive expectation in roulette, it always going to be negative, but that doesn't mean that you as a player cannot overcome that negative expectation, the house edge in roulette is very small, well at least on the European wheel.
bombus here is a question
if you have 900$ then would you spend that at your local casino or would you educate your self about the game
I would educate my self and see it as an investment
then there is an other issue if you pick the later option
would you spend the money on fun action player books with progressions, bet selections, money management, discipline and so on
or would you spend the money on how some great names have study the game with an scientific approach
??
LS
Hi all,
i think a big weakness in roulette is lack of patience,concentration. . the urge to win big is strong an lack of focus you lose many occuring patterns. . dont know if anyone have seen this i plal automated roulette with live ball,a OOO,yeahh a triple zero,and with study i now manage to turn 150 unit into 600.
Seykid.
Quote from: Lucky Strike on September 21, 2009, 09:44:13 AM
bombus here is a question
if you have 900$ then would you spend that at your local casino or would you educate your self about the game
I would educate my self and see it as an investment
then there is an other issue if you pick the later option
would you spend the money on fun action player books with progressions, bet selections, money management, discipline and so on
or would you spend the money on how some great names have study the game with an scientific approach
??
LS
Do you mean me specifically, or people in general?
I'll go with people in general...
Education is obviously the first port of call in any field of interest, and money invested in education is never misspent.
Unfortunately an education in gambling is no different to any other form, and requires both theoretical and practical study. So some money and time does eventually need to be invested in real play, the more the better, actually.
If I were a young man I would invest my time and money in a mainstream education with career prospects, not bloody roulette. But I've been there, done that, so in my present retirement I can afford to pick up my 40+ years gambling education once again, and have some fun with it, no pressure.
Believe it or not, I have in the past forfeited my entire working casino bankroll to pay for a student's university fees over a 4 year degree, so no need to convince me about education.
As a matter of interest, my gambling education started when I was just a lad, running bets for punters down to the SP bookies house. Apparently you could get your bets on with the SP's for a few moments after the horses jumped. I would get to the front door of the Bookie house then turn back to the punter's house and await the signal. If the horse to be bet on got a good jump the punter's hand would come down hard, and I would run in and get the bet on. If the horse jumped poorly, a wave of the hand would call me back. They gained a small edge with this method.
My grandmother was known as Last Race Laurna. She had an uncanny ability to pick the winner of the last race week in and week out. A crowd would gather around last race time with all eyes on Laurna. When she got up to put her bet on there was always a mad push by the crowd to see what she had picked. I have been hooked on the punt ever since.
As for posting a consistently profitable system, some reasons no one does are,
The method is too ethereal so can't be explained adequately.
The method is too complicated so can't be explained adequately.
The method is too convoluted so can't be explained adequately.
The method is too risky so can't be afforded adequately.
The method is under contract so can't be disclosed legally.
And last but definitely not least, the creator is too afraid of not being remunerated for their intellectual property. They are worried someone with more resources will make a fortune out of it and they will get nothing.
I can go along with all these reason except the last one. For that one I couldn't give a rat's arse. If I came up with an absolute gem of a system, I would post it on a forum without blinking. Let someone make a motza, who cares? And even if the system was by all accounts truly a winner, it will only ever filter down to a relative handful of the population, so again, who cares?
So.....every idea has been thought of?
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This subject always kills me. Most (not all) believe that EVERY roulette method/idea has already been thought of and played. (I disagree) I dont need the exact date or what the method was or the author but can someone tell me what YEAR the LAST roulette idea was conceived? Thanks, Ken.
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Ken, perhaps I can go for "two birds with one stone" here.
Maybe there's more money in turning out "unreadable" roulette-wheels? How hard would it be, if not a lot easier than the other way around?
I mean, all the discussion about light/heavy balls, etc,... when no one really seems to understand the differences/samenesses. What one weight gives up in one way, it gains in another way (on a different weight)?
And more likely, that's already what they're using. (The "eye in the sky" still mostly concerned with employee-cheating, with whomever.)
Guys
Sorry I must say no no no. a simple system work short and long term. It's how you play the system. In any game you practice to perfect something, but when this in real live change what now?
SO if the simple system works in short term but fails in long term, means that to play the against the system you will win in the long term.
But what is long term. If you play for target budget not to big or small lets say 20% of Bankroll. What do you do if you reach this target. Even brokers on money market work with start and stop. They don't just let it run.
The talk about random and sequence is the same Random can't be random if there is a sequence but if something is random then its a sequence.
There is more wrong's than rights on the table, so go for the wrong. If a guy plays max in table and lose play outside the max. Let that guy lead and fall.
Garnabby Yes mate you are right. Too much crying over something that are not exploit. The ball size stay the same for a couple of spins. The major thing than change more often is the force over movement. This is the speed of wheel and the ball. Even length of dealers, reach to the wheel. Left handed or right. Muscle memory....
Twocando
Quote from: Twocando on September 22, 2009, 03:21:26 AMThe talk about random and sequence is the same Random can't be random if there is a sequence but if something is random then its a sequence.
Hi Twocando,
Sorry mate, can you make this statement less confusing?
Cheers,
Thanks bombus that was an nice reply and i enjoy the read.
LS
Bombus
I also found that an excellent read, thanks
Mike