The 4Selecta system

[Rocky]

Hi Guys

What can I say, I've scrolled through the whole thing !

My hats off to Mr Chips and TwoCat, obviously works when you understand it, much good work done by both parties.

Please allow me to make this comment with no disrespect intended, but as an observation, does the game of roulette tend to attract people with Obsessive Compulsive Behaviour tendancies. Just my observation of being around these forums for about a year. Or should I rename it passion, or addiction or obsession, anyway doesn't matter I guess. Probabaly a bit of self analysis myself. Guess that's why we're all here in part, as well as trying to find the roulette grail.

Cheers

Rocky

[TwoCatSam]

Rocky

Welcome to the forum and thanks for posting on this thread.  For a while there I thought Mr. Chips and I had slipped into a parallel universe and were the only humans seeing this thread!!

Ah, good question!!  From my limited knowledge of psychology I don't think it's obsessive/compulsive, but it may be addictive.  I am far more addicted to testing and chatting than the actual gambling.  I only do that because something should come from all the testing and studying.  The tree should bear fruit!

You realize there are people who have devoted their spare life to inventing the perpetual motion machine?  Of course it can't be done but to paraphrase my old friend Coussin Gonflable, A perpetual motion machine cannot exist, but when one is invented a better one will be invented within a year!  There are those who win big money at roulette.

I strive to win coffee money!

Sam

PLUS....I hear using the brain keeps away dementia.

[TwoCatSam]

Mr. Chips

I had two instances where I could have exited with a 33 unit profit.  Should I have done that?  If so, what percentage of bankroll do you call a winning session?  How long after a session could you begin another one?  I am playing on a single table  and do not have the options to go to another table.

How deep into the negative should you go?  I know you try to scratch back to 50 or less down, but what if you can't make it?  What percentage of bankroll are you willing to lose?

I hope I'm doing this right.

[Mr Chips]

Sam,
 
I will go through your worksheet next with answers to your questions.
 
I have just finished testing 10 more sessions in January, Spielbank spins. When a ship sails the high sea's it's bound to experience a few storms and I came across the random number equivalent on the 12th, 13, and 14th of January. Just like a sound ship it weathed the storm and still making good profits.
 
I have it in mind that there will be sufficient exceptional wins around +200 to cancel out the few -100. Over the next few weeks of testing I hope to be proved right. There are two such wins in reserve at the present time.
 
11.1 = 109 spins, 34 selective spins = +155
12.1 =   97 spins, 25 selective spins = -  47
13.1 = 161 spins, 43 selective spins = -129
14.1 = 140 spins, 40 selective spins = - 156
15.1 =  95 spins, 23 selective spins = + 87
16.1 = 108 spins, 32 selective spins = + 77
17.1 = 133 spins, 35 selective spins = +  5
18.1 = 104 spins, 28 selective spins = - 48
19.1 =   46 spins, 12 selective spins = +190
20.1 = 123 spins, 32 selective spins = +   7

Unfortunately I didn't get the time to go to the casino this week, but I will get there at least one day next week and hopefully more the week after.
 

[TwoCatSam]

Mr. Chips

We expect downturns.  After all we're in the U.S. stock market!

When you write 11.1, does that mean day 11 table 1?

Take your time with my questions.  I'm off to dinner this evening.

Sam

Might I ask where you are?  I am in USA, Oklahoma.  England, I'm guessing from your email address.

[AnandMajumdar]

sam/mr chips

everything went above my head. didnt understand nothing.. but i will catch up.. hope to post intelligent questions if i come up with them

andy

[TwoCatSam]

Andy,

This thing is a booger-bear!!  (Do you have those in India?)

I feel I could take you through it step by step, but I'll wait for Mr. Chips to graduate me before I start to comment.  I'm sure he would enjoy a break from teaching, so maybe I could sub for a while.

Sam

[Mr Chips]

Sam,
 
In the UK our dates are shown as 11.1.08, which differs from your 1-11-8.
 
Located in England, partly in London and on the south coast. My favourite casino's are in London and Manchester.
 
Your showing no bets when there must be bets. It may be that when for example it's not possible to place a bet on an L Group, you should
go to the next 'active' Group, where its possible to place a bet. The only time there are no bets is at the start when no numbers are available.
 
You have definitely got the hang of it up to the no bet part and if you are stuck on this I will go into that part of your worksheet in much more detail.
 
I shouldn't worry about bankrolls for this system, the main concern is limiting losses and following the guidelines of -50 and -100 when they occur. As long as all the guidelines are observed this system should produce steady profits and I haven't after testing more than 50 sessions now experienced anything to the contrary.
 
8.5.08
 
32
24
24
7
1
---
20
34
9
---
31
3
17  -1
---
19
1
13
9   +33
---
11
3
6
18  +32
---
18
23
15  +31
---
10
20
35
2   +28
---
14
26
23  +26
---
7
30
20  +24
---
31
23
23
31
7
22  +21
---
10
24
32  +17
---
32
19
28  +13
---
17
26
9
7
33
36  +9
---
36
10
30  +5
---
17
34
33
26  +1
---
34
3
11  -4
---
18
10
28  +26
---
14
15
27
33  +22
---
17
13
36  +17
---
23
16
18  +12
---
13
27
9   +76
---
16
17
30
16  +68
---
15
31
31
24
8
29  +58
---
10
18
16  +84
---
18
28
20  +73
---
16
13
19  +62
---
12
32
20  +124
---
21
36
15  +113
---
35
23
5   +102
--- EXIT
   
1, 2, [[20]], [28], 30, 11,
29, 19
 
[[9]], 17, [18], [36], 26, [16],
   
15, 23, 22, 32, 33
 
LG   MG   HG   C
1      1     1     1
2      2     2     2
3      3     3     3
4      4     4     4
5      5     5     5
6      6     6     6
7             7     7
8.            8
 
This is usually a good time to exit as the 100 spin barrier has been reached. The unit bets are getting bigger and all 4 Groups in the Table are close to being equal and therefore there is no Group leader.
 
I hope you had a very enjoyable dinner.
 
Richard

 

[TwoCatSam]

Mr. Chips

Thank you sir, I did!

OK, I was mistaken.  I thought I read it like this:  You go back to the last active section unless there is a section in the lead.  When I have:
4. 4

I go back to the 4 with no .

If I have 5 4 3 4 2 for example, I did not go back as 5 was ahead.

I'll change that!

Tell me more about the -100 and -50, the 100 spin rule and the fact the Sections are neck and neck.  Perhaps it's just something we must learn from experience, huh?

Sam

[Mr Chips]

Sam,
 
I think experience is very important with this system. Anyone can learn to drive a car in half a day, that is the basics. It's not until you get out onto the road that you get the feel of the car how it performs and practice to become a good and proficient driver.
 
It will take a lot of someones time to really learn this system and I would certainly understand if most people declined to put that amount of effort into it. I am into this for the long haul and over the coming weeks will test as many sessions as possible. I find this particular system fascinating (yes, I definitely should get out more lol) hopefully the results long term will justify my efforts.
 
I will now provide you with further explanations of the system. One important aspect of this system is to keep track of the number of spins at certain stages. By spin 50, hopefully you will have had a hit or two. This will cancel out early losses and possibly be in some profit. The session will go one of two ways either further hits from spin 50 to 100, so increasing the number of units on certain numbers and producing a good result or no more hits and at around spin 100 a realistic decision has to be made to exit within or about -50 units.
This system will produce enough winning sessions to easily accommodate those -50 losses. It wouldn't therefore make any sense to risk a bigger loss in the hope of turning the session around and getting a win.
 
There will be rare occasions when on getting to around spin 100 losses are over 50 units. It will require a hit just to get to within the -50 range and are able to then exit the session. If there are no hits and the  bets by this stage will be at least 10 units then a realistic exit must be made as near as possible to the -100 range. As previously mentioned exceptional wins of +200 will cancel out those losses.
 
The selective spins will allow you plenty of time to examine each session, check there are no errors when forming the sections, check the totals for each Group in the Table agree with the available numbers not forgetting noting additional units which have to be added to certain numbers. Its very easy to overlook adding units to numbers and therefore the Table totals and total available numbers will be adrift. It could also effect the result of a session.
 
An ideal Table is where one particular Group goes in the lead and in effect produces a trend. There is a good chance of a number of hits from such a Group. Be aware the other Groups will eventually do some catching up and always consider an exit at such a time.

In some sessions the Groups in the Table are say by spin 70 roughly equal e.g. 4 5 5 5. Because they are equal they will take it in turn to be the 'active ' Group and by doing so deny hits, which would otherwise have happened. In such circumstances there is the possibility of a loss at around spin 100.

[TwoCatSam]

Mr. Chips

I, too, am in this for the long haul.  Thank you for your explanation.  It will really help me with my strategy.

I feel I should switch from Spielbank to Riverbelle Live as that is where I will be playing.  Soon I will play for money as the cold numbers are truly boring--need I tell you that?

One of the things I truly like about this system is you only bet every third spin at most; sometimes four or five spins happen between bets.  This gives the zero a little time to happen when it is not harmful.  Also, those two spins with no bet are great for the bathroom and coffee!!

We have few single 0 wheels here in the US.  I will try this on the 00 wheel sooner or later.  We have playing card roulette here in Oklahoma at our Indian casinos.  Really strange, but people I've talked to say there is no difference in the numbers produced. 

Some day I'll try it when they have a vigorish holiday.  Most times you have to pay fifty cents to bet. 

Thanks for all your help; you are a great teacher!

Samster

[AnandMajumdar]

pls learn it quickly sammy!
no one would indulge my stupid questions as much as you, so am waitng till u master it, then will wait for your download

love
andy

[TwoCatSam]

Andy

I have it!  With the last post, Mr. Chips answered all my questions.  (Now I must be careful not to offend the Master as I am still only the student.)  Yes, I would be willing to  teach you, but in my own words.  This may not be acceptable to Mr. Chips as he may want to teach you himself.  I am very new and may teach you a mistake!

We'll rock along a few more hundred spins.  I'm going to invest real money in it, although on fifty cents per bet.  I am more careful betting real money.  If it works for me, it will work for anyone.

Mr. Chips is an excellent teacher.  I may not be so patient.  If you make too many mistakes, I may make you stand in cybercorner with nose in circle! 

Flat-nosed Sammy

[Sundowner]

Hello everyone,

Mr. Chips do you play in Manchester casinos?
I'm permanetly based in Manchester. Well' usually i play online but sometimes i go to Circus casino in the city centre.

Sundowner.

[Mr Chips]

Hi Sundowner,
 
Welcome to the forum. I have played a few times in casino's in Manchester. I do like the Circus Casino, I guess the cigar dispensing machine has disappeared now lol. Recently I have played mostly in London and really must pay Manchester a visit soon. The restaurents in the city are just great.

Mr Chips

[Mr Chips]

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