The 4 Step

[buffalowizard]

Hi,

This is a nice and simple one, with rigid rules and no room for error.

Any fellow testers would be gladly welcome to offer results or insights:

We play the splits:

1,2
10,11
14,17
16,19
28,29
35,36

Now wait until any of those numbers appears, and then doesn't REappear for at least another 4 spins. This is the virtual loss. Like this:

12
8
21
2    - one of the numbers has appeared
22
3
30
27 - ok this is the first virtual loss we wait for

When any of the numbers show after, you bet the splits for 4 spins. If you win, then you simply start over and wait for another trigger.

If lost, then you wait for another trigger and bet again, 4 times. If lost again, then 4 times again.

So that is 3 games in total, plus the virtual loss. If you lose these then stop and take the loss.

Progression should be similar to the Zone, I.e. 1-1-2-3, 2-2-4-6, 5-5-10-15

I would play for just 3 wins and then end the session. My own tests have been very positive so far, so let me know how you do.

[buffalowizard]

Here is one session:

32
7
6
17
20
11
25
28
21
31
10
26
28
14
4
10
33
8
20
19
30
19
0
1
8
6
33
32 - ok finally, the numbers have missed here for 4 spins. That is the virtual loss. now we wait for the trigger.
6
33
25
27
28 - and here it is. So we start betting here:
17 - Win first spin.

Now wait again for the virtual loss

23
18
27
9 - And it happens much quicker this time. thats the virtual loss
14 - trigger straight away. Start betting.
0
17 - Win

Etc.

(The zero is played as any other number on the board, and not given any special treatment.)

[atlantis]

Buffalowizard,

I can't believe no replies on this topic... Anyhow I hope you have not abandoned this excellent idea buffalo as I believe it has some mileage in it.

I am playing it by waiting for the required 4 misses and then betting those same splits using the "best of five" progression:
1,1,1,1,1
2,2,2,2,2
3,3,3,3,3 etc...

So I bet for 5 spins (not four) and if I lose that I will increase all bets by 1 unit and continue until a win occurs.

(1) On a win any time during the 5 spins, I stop play until the next qualifying signal (4 misses) + a trigger HIT
If I am level to my highest recorded total or if I am in profit I will restart at bets of 1 for a possible FIVE spins otherwise I will add 1 extra unit to the last amount of units I previously played on each of the six split-bets and play at that higher level for the possible five spins. (eg: If I won when playing at bets of 3 units but was still not level or ahead then I will play next time at 4 units...)

(2) If I have lost after five spins I will increase my stakes by 1 unit and CONTINUE playing another 5 spins at the higher level. After each lost set of five I will continue increasing bets by 1 unit until a win is achieved and then go to Step (1)

Small stakes advised eg: 25p, 20c, 50p, 10c etc..

Thank you for posting this. I am having some good success with it. Please, please try my way and let me know. It's seriously good!

Best wishes,
A.

[atlantis]

An improvement to above suggestion.

1,1,1,1,1,2,2,2,2,2,3,3,3,3,3,4,4,4,4,4,5,5,5,5,5... etc...

On a win (say it was on the third bet of 3) and you are still behind, instead of incrementing stake by 1 unit for next qualifier, continue betting on the next qualifier from that last win point eg: third bet of 3

Stops stakes rising faster and still good.

table3 wiesbaden yesterday +96 after 310 spins. Highest bet level 5

A.

[hermes]

It is quasi modified Attila progression. If it goes to 5th step it has a big holes! Go to dentist.
Increase after loss 1 unit but wait for new trigger to bet again with increased bets (eg. 2). It will keep you for  longer time in casino.
Hermes

[buffalowizard]

Hi atlantis, thanks for the interest, and as ever you have excellent ideas on progressions.

It wasn't ideal originally but your tweaks seem really productive.

I was looking into playing 2 sets of 12 numbers.

The numbers are all those ending in 0,6 and 3....and 1,4 and 5.

Perhaps we could integrate these into your method of play (5 steps, better progression etc.) We need to also include stop win/losses I think.

I will do some testing on your approach. I think we might have something here...

[buffalowizard]

Heres a 50 spin test using original 1 set of numbers, with atlantis' special modified progression.

first, wait for trigger (4 loss)

19
15
7
5
22 = heres the 4 losses
10 = trigger bet here
7   -6u
26 -6u
13 -6u
0   -6u
24 -6u   stop first leg of 5 losses
24
22
23
15
10  = trigger (2nd leg of progression eg. 2,2,2,2,2)
22  -12u
36  +36u
15
11 
25
21 = 4 losses
5
4
5
22
0
10 = trigger to play
0   -12u
8   -12u
1   +36 (+6u total)
26
19
11
32
31
7
22 = 4 losses
15
20
28 - trigger
15 -6u
22 -6u
5   -6u
16 +18
9
0
32
2
16

Thats a tricky little session, ending in +6 units.
I hope this is clear enough. More testing required though, but im liking the tweaks. Lets hope that this line of progression works nicely

[atlantis]

Thanks buffalowizard,

I understand now. When I tested I didn't wait for a trigger hit after the 4 misses... Could explain why I met some rising progressions... Your way is more sound. If we can make +6 units a day - well no bad thing  

A.

[buffalowizard]

I had to modify my post, as I missed a couple of betting opportunities. I like your progression as it accommodates the lengthier 5 step attack.
I think we should test with the original set of 12 numbers, and if it copes well, then think about bringing in 2 sets of 12.
For the time being, I'll keep it simple.

[atlantis]

CASINO WIESBADEN 15 MAY 2010 - Table 4
[table=,]
Spin,Number,Type,Bet Unit,Win,Loss,Net,Unit Bal.,Bet Layout
1,20,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
2,1,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
3,35,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
4,27,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
5,12,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
6,13,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
7,0,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
8,24,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
9,24,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
10,12,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
11,27,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
12,18,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
13,0,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
14,10,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
15,6,Bet,6,0,-6,-6,494,1 : (1-2),(10-11),(14-17),(16-19),(28-29),(35-36)
16,19,Bet,6,18,-6,12,506,1 : (1-2),(10-11),(14-17),(16-19),(28-29),(35-36)
17,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
18,6,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
19,6,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
20,18,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
21,0,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
22,30,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
23,1,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
24,7,Bet,6,0,-6,-6,500,1 : (1-2),(10-11),(14-17),(16-19),(28-29),(35-36)
25,23,Bet,6,0,-6,-6,494,1 : (1-2),(10-11),(14-17),(16-19),(28-29),(35-36)
26,18,Bet,6,0,-6,-6,488,1 : (1-2),(10-11),(14-17),(16-19),(28-29),(35-36)
27,34,Bet,6,0,-6,-6,482,1 : (1-2),(10-11),(14-17),(16-19),(28-29),(35-36)
28,22,Bet,6,0,-6,-6,476,1 : (1-2),(10-11),(14-17),(16-19),(28-29),(35-36)
29,13,No Bet,0,0,0,0,476,
30,1,No Bet,0,0,0,0,476,
31,1,No Bet,0,0,0,0,476,
32,24,No Bet,0,0,0,0,476,
33,24,No Bet,0,0,0,0,476,
34,12,No Bet,0,0,0,0,476,
35,27,No Bet,0,0,0,0,476,
36,14,No Bet,0,0,0,0,476,
37,15,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,464,2 : (1-2),(10-11),(14-17),(16-19),(28-29),(35-36)
38,20,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,452,2 : (1-2),(10-11),(14-17),(16-19),(28-29),(35-36)
39,2,Bet,12,36,-12,24,476,2 : (1-2),(10-11),(14-17),(16-19),(28-29),(35-36)
40,0,No Bet,0,0,0,0,476,
41,1,No Bet,0,0,0,0,476,
42,28,No Bet,0,0,0,0,476,
43,30,No Bet,0,0,0,0,476,
44,11,No Bet,0,0,0,0,476,
45,5,No Bet,0,0,0,0,476,
46,35,No Bet,0,0,0,0,476,
47,20,No Bet,0,0,0,0,476,
48,31,No Bet,0,0,0,0,476,
49,11,No Bet,0,0,0,0,476,
50,29,No Bet,0,0,0,0,476,
51,29,No Bet,0,0,0,0,476,
52,1,No Bet,0,0,0,0,476,
53,12,No Bet,0,0,0,0,476,
54,19,No Bet,0,0,0,0,476,
55,18,No Bet,0,0,0,0,476,
56,11,No Bet,0,0,0,0,476,
57,22,No Bet,0,0,0,0,476,
58,27,No Bet,0,0,0,0,476,
59,15,No Bet,0,0,0,0,476,
60,27,No Bet,0,0,0,0,476,
61,23,No Bet,0,0,0,0,476,
62,9,No Bet,0,0,0,0,476,
63,10,No Bet,0,0,0,0,476,
64,35,Bet,12,36,-12,24,500,2 : (1-2),(10-11),(14-17),(16-19),(28-29),(35-36)
65,2,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
66,12,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
67,27,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
68,29,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
69,5,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
70,20,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
71,23,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
72,0,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
73,10,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
74,23,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
75,9,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
76,33,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
77,31,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
78,18,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
79,34,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
80,18,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
81,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
82,22,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
83,16,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
84,18,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,488,2 : (1-2),(10-11),(14-17),(16-19),(28-29),(35-36)
85,24,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,476,2 : (1-2),(10-11),(14-17),(16-19),(28-29),(35-36)
86,12,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,464,2 : (1-2),(10-11),(14-17),(16-19),(28-29),(35-36)
87,26,Bet,18,0,-18,-18,446,3 : (1-2),(10-11),(14-17),(16-19),(28-29),(35-36)
88,2,Bet,18,54,-18,36,482,3 : (1-2),(10-11),(14-17),(16-19),(28-29),(35-36)
89,28,No Bet,0,0,0,0,482,
90,7,No Bet,0,0,0,0,482,
91,3,No Bet,0,0,0,0,482,
92,8,No Bet,0,0,0,0,482,
93,24,No Bet,0,0,0,0,482,
94,21,No Bet,0,0,0,0,482,
95,9,No Bet,0,0,0,0,482,
96,33,No Bet,0,0,0,0,482,
97,8,No Bet,0,0,0,0,482,
98,24,No Bet,0,0,0,0,482,
99,5,No Bet,0,0,0,0,482,
100,29,No Bet,0,0,0,0,482,
101,10,Bet,18,54,-18,36,518,3 : (1-2),(10-11),(14-17),(16-19),(28-29),(35-36)
[/table]

+18

[buffalowizard]

Here's another sample - these are taken from one of many casino visits. I like to keep all the cards to base new tests on.

8
9
7
8  = 4 loss
31
22
1   = trigger
3
3
33
8
24   -30u
13
19
1
29
31
7
27
9    = 4 loss
26
35  = trigger
36   +6 total
12
15
23
29
34
8
33
30  = 4 loss
30
27
17 = trigger
34
29 +30u total
10
19
7
10
16
22
12
31  
35  
22
30
7
2    
36

This ended +30, so pretty good I say

[A3on47]

First of all congratulations for the nice results =)

The system seems pretty good, but it have a very risky progression !
But as we are always changing triggers and bets, we will not have the risk of some "sleepy numbers" ruin our progression .. What makes it pretty safe I think...

What is the recommended bankroll ?

Regards,
Afonso

[buffalowizard]

Hi Afonso,

I would say a bankroll of 200-300 units should be fine.

Set yourself a stop loss of -100 units, and a stop win of +5-30, whichever you feel safer or are happier to leave with! Using Atlantis' progression can suddenly put you in the plus, at which point it may be best to leave...such as his last test where it bumped up to +18. This would be a healthy success.
This will also depend on your unit value.

Do some testing and report back Afonso, the more the merrier!

[buffalowizard]

26
8
25
2
16
20
16
31
3
21
12 = 4 loss
26
26
7
25
25
29 = trigger
25
27
7
34
33 -30u
19
12
22
11
20
12
24
8
4    = 4 loss
8
23
9
1    = trigger
15
11  -6u total
0
4
34
20
20
1
19
9
21
27
13  = 4 loss
8
34
20  = trigger
20   +30u

[buffalowizard]

This was a very good session, and I probably would have left after the second win, but I thought I would carry on and see where it heads


14
24
15
9
3    = 4 loss
22
9
15
17  = trigger
16  +24u
6
13
0
10
15
11
26
5     = 4 loss
22
10   = trigger
2     +48u
6
25
5
4    = 4 loss
22
2    = trigger
15
4
3
3
0   +18u total
12
0
32
15
22
26
16
35
1
11
20
36
27
2
28
0
19
12
34
6
17
15
2
0
14
25
33
0
12  = 4 loss
24
15
20  
28  = trigger
1    +42u
14
8
32
3
5    = 4 loss
15
24
6
9
2   = trigger
15
28   +56u
17
30
0
15
17
26

[buffalowizard]

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