Hello and nice to see this forum.
First I must say sorry for my bad english LOL.
I have tried many systems but this one what I have combined with others is best for me and gives fast profit.
Uhh i did with this system about 5k in about 40 sessions and 3 or 4 were losers only!
Oki lets explain:
Take a sheet(write numbers 0-36) and record numbers(put for example X after every shown number) until u have area with running 4 numbers(ex:22;23;24;25) what have not shown.
It take usually 15-20 spins. Then start to betting. After 4 spins without win double bet.
Use bets like that: 1111222244448888(10) - this 10 u play until one of these four numbers win.
Yes I known that in Turbos 1 million spin 4 numbers didnt show up more than 100 times once.
But in my system these 4 numbers are always in move and random, so its a "random in random" to get these worst 100 spins.
Sometimes I play in same session after these 4 numbers have shown 3(3 running numbers ex. 7;8;9) or 3+3(if they are still on the sheet) with similar progression.
With my "style" of playing I get about 100 profit per session(40-60 spins).
Lets try it my friends and lert me known results.
They should be good!! Very Happy
Regards
Camel
Hmm and i still not understand why most systems base on some steady sectors. To beat roulette u must be flexible!!!
Regards
Little example :
1XX
2
3
4X
5
6XXX
7
8X
9X
10
11X
12
13
14
15
16X
17X
18X
19
20XX
21X
22
23XXX
24X
25
26X
27
28XX
29X
30
31X
32X
33X
34
35
36X
0
So now we bet on 12 13 14 15 but never more that 10 units per number(40)
In some thousand of spins I have nerver seen it goes out of control, only little minus in some sessions but recovered fast.
Camel, [smiley=welcome/welcome.gif] to the family.
Thank you very much for coming around and offering your contribution. [smiley=thumbup.gif]
I have a question about number 0.
Standard numeration is:
0
1
2
3
4
5
...
I noticed you placed it after #36.
...
34
36
36
0
Any particular reason? :)
Also if you were to consider a virtual rounded strip of numbers, the missing possible combinations to form a bet signal are:
34
35
36
0
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
26
27
28
29
30
31
32
33
34
35
36
0
1
2
Would you consider them?
Best regards.
Victor
Hallo
Thank You for respond my friend.
Yes numbers on sheet are as circle so if there are 0; 1; 35 and 36 not shown i play them.
Camel
But always wait when there are only one area for these 4 numbers.
I have tried with two areas 4+4 a little bit with good results but it looks little dangerous.
Camel
Hmm and You can use longer progression 111111 22222 4444 8888 10 10 10 10 and so one but I have noticed it doesent make any sense.
Good luck and I hope You guys see nice results.
Camel
Anybody have tried? :)
This looks interesting, I will give it a test
Thanks
Bloom
Ok, I did one quick test and i used Victors chart. This is my test data after the 24 spins. At this point I had 20-24 as the only sector that hadnt hit. this is not 4 but 5 numbers. I decided to play this because it was so close and tight to the parameter. Is this ok? The next spin was #22. So, this quick test worked on the next spin.
summary: 36-5= 31units on one spin.
Session 1 Table 3 2/1/08
5
13
10
26
32
25
3
15
30
19
27
35
8
25
0
16
10
32
7
26
31
-- -- --
11
5
;) Hi guys very much the same principal as John's Raindrop system.
Difference is that John's Raindrop system charts on the wheel and look for 6 numbers next to each other on the wheel that hasn't had a hit, and then plays them. You use the placing mat to get your 4 numbers.
Nice idea though.
Jakkalsdraai
Yes on the wheel but running numbers looks bit different, I dont known why
But 6 running numbers arent very comfort to play and even 5. There is always little different how u play.
Regards
QuoteYes on the wheel but running numbers looks bit different, I dont known why
But 6 running numbers arent very comfort to play and even 5. There is always little different how u play.
Regards
So did I do my test correctly even though I had 5# and not 4#?, it was the only remaining group that would qualify.
QuoteHello and nice to see this forum.
First I must say sorry for my bad english LOL.
I have tried many systems but this one what I have combined with others is best for me and gives fast profit.
Uhh i did with this system about 5k in about 40 sessions and 3 or 4 were losers only!
Oki lets explain:
Take a sheet(write numbers 0-36) and record numbers(put for example X after every shown number) until u have area with running 4 numbers(ex:22;23;24;25) what have not shown.
It take usually 15-20 spins. Then start to betting. After 4 spins without win double bet.
Use bets like that: 1111222244448888(10) - this 10 u play until one of these four numbers win.
Yes I known that in Turbos 1 million spin 4 numbers didnt show up more than 100 times once.
But in my system these 4 numbers are always in move and random, so its a "random in random" to get these worst 100 spins.
Sometimes I play in same session after these 4 numbers have shown 3(3 running numbers ex. 7;8;9) or 3+3(if they are still on the sheet) with similar progression.
With my "style" of playing I get about 100 profit per session(40-60 spins).
Lets try it my friends and lert me known results.
They should be good!! Very Happy
Regards
Camel
Hi Camel, in your betting progression when you say "this 10 u play until one of these four numbers win" what do you mean exactly? Is the 10 a continuation of the progression, as in 111122224444888810101010... until one of the four numbers come up? Or for one session, do you stop betting after you lose the first $10 bets?
Hope me question makes sense.
Mystidark
Hi
I respond for these 2 questions.
1. Yes you can combine little bit, this is more combination than math system. As I said u can play in same session different steps.2 pair or 1 pair with three(3) not showen numbers after u have played and won with 4 number section. And even i have tryed if there are still two pairs of two running numbers after these steps(ex: 2;3 and 15;16), so i have played them with same progression and seen good results. Playing like that sometimes i do more than 200 units per session.
2. Yes I play this 10 per number until win. You guys can try to do stopping point but I dont see here any point.
Regards
Camel
Camel, please respond to my question in the sample session I completed in reply #10. as of the last listed spin, the only remaining group of 4 numbers without a hit was 20, 21, 22, 23, and 24, which is actually 5 numbers what do i do in that scenario?
Bloom
Hi
Wait until 20 or 24 have shown out and then play. We wait only 4 number areas. If there show out 22 for example, so we dont have anymore 4 number area and we need new session but dont worry, mostly u have "place" where to play :) Just recording take little time.
Anybody have tried some sessions?
Camel
Camel, Please post one of your sessions of 40-60 spins which workouts your system and shows your 100 unit profit.
Also, you stated that you only lost 3 or 4 sessions out of 40, so how many spins to did you play to chase those loses before you stopped? and how many spins before those loses did hit?
This will help me execute for more test actually.
Thanks
Bloom
Cuatro números, cinco, seis...etc, los tome como los tome siempre demoraran lo que la estadística, para ellos indica. Por ejemplo para cuatro números la estadística indica que puede haber una demos de hasta 100 spins y es eso lo que puede demorar, tomenlo a los 4 números como quieran.
Un saluo cordial, Edgardo.
Hi
I played it about one year ago but then i had some private life problems and didnt have time to work with it.
Now I started again and had some nice games. I have been always sure that this system work.
I have never recorded exactly how may spins i do. sessions could be very different. So to show examples is very hard.
Yes it doesent happen often that you must use 10 bet. Worst sessions what I have seen - about between 10 and 15 times when musted to use 10 bets.
How many spins before those loses did hit? About 50 - 60 times these 4 numbers have been sleep in most worst sessions.
Ill do later some games from casino and record everythin, so i can show some real games how I do these 100 profit.
Camel
QuoteHi
I played it about one year ago but then i had some private life problems and didnt have time to work with it.
Now I started again and had some nice games. I have been always sure that this system work.
I have never recorded exactly how may spins i do. sessions could be very different. So to show examples is very hard.
Yes it doesent happen often that you must use 10 bet. Worst sessions what I have seen - about between 10 and 15 times when musted to use 10 bets. So are you saying that the worst session was where you bet 10 units about 10 to 15 times (i.e. 111122224444888810 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10)?
How many spins before those loses did hit? About 50 - 60 times these 4 numbers have been sleep in most worst sessions. So you are saying that the losing sessions for the 4 numbers skipped about 50-60 spins before one number from the group hit?
Ill do later some games from casino and record everythin, so i can show some real games how I do these 100 profit. I can send you a live session of 40-60 spins or more now so that you can demonstrate the system
Camel
Bloom
Yes you understand right.
You can send but I must go to sleep now my friend.
So Ill check later.
Camel
Ok, here are 65 live spins to use from demonstration:
Table 3 3/4/08
1 5
2 0
3 9
4 24
5 6
6 16
7 28
8 5
9 19
10 14
11 2
12 17
13 2
14 21
15 24
16 35
17 35
18 12
19 8
20 6
21 13
22 31
23 31
24 3
25 11
26 9
27 12
28 18
29 20
30 12
31 6
32 18
33 18
34 8
35 0
36 1
37 4
38 13
39 3
40 19
41 18
42 13
43 32
44 17
45 27
46 22
47 1
48 5
49 10
50 13
51 10
52 23
53 10
54 16
55 22
56 35
57 5
58 19
59 20
60 22
61 5
62 20
63 14
64 35
65 31
Bloom
Hello
Thank you for numbers. I did test. There wasnt any 4 number areas, only 2 areas with 3 running number what is little risky to play. These 6 numbers slept 20 times in this example. With this way you can make little profit or little minus. I always play if I play these 6 numbers, I play them when I end my 4 number progression and usually there are more numbers shown this time.
So 4 numbers juust for beginning and later u can practice with 6 (3+3).
But anyway this session looks quite strange and its not enough to show it really.
So maybe more numbers please.
Somebody have done tests? I feel alone in this topic LoL
Camel
Try this
Table 3: 3/5/08 over 200 spins
1 29
2 14
3 28
4 2
5 29
6 13
7 35
8 19
9 0
10 15
11 20
12 8
13 24
14 2
15 19
16 13
17 7
18 9
19 6
20 26
21 14
22 11
23 9
24 8
25 30
26 13
27 6
28 9
29 15
30 -- -- --
31 0
32 34
33 17
34 24
35 0
36 29
37 33
38 27
39 20
40 3
41 25
42 17
43 1
44 -- -- --
45 9
46 32
47 13
48 2
49 24
50 1
51 5
52 11
53 20
54 8
55 13
56 -- -- --
57 22
58 32
59 28
60 36
61 14
62 15
63 7
64 0
65 6
66 12
67 26
68 26
69 -- -- --
70 13
71 3
72 5
73 23
74 13
75 -- -- --
76 29
77 30
78 17
79 33
80 27
81 33
82 15
83 1
84 1
85 32
86 3
87 26
88 33
89 -- -- --
90 11
91 31
92 1
93 21
94 19
95 10
96 24
97 3
98 25
99 15
100 33
101 13
102 -- -- --
103 7
104 8
105 3
106 28
107 3
108 20
109 36
110 15
111 18
112 27
113 0
114 -- -- --
115 36
116 1
117 18
118 3
119 28
120 28
121 -- -- --
122 0
123 12
124 27
125 36
126 7
127 12
128 23
129 9
130 -- -- --
131 23
132 21
133 22
134 24
135 31
136 36
137 5
138 26
139 13
140 9
141 19
142 35
143 5
144 19
145 -- -- --
146 6
147 13
148 6
149 27
150 5
151 21
152 32
153 9
154 9
155 6
156 2
157 16
158 16
159 3
160 8
161 18
162 35
163 23
164 31
165 -- -- --
166 34
167 1
168 34
169 31
170 27
171 24
172 19
173 18
174 8
175 19
176 19
177 23
178 4
179 15
180 14
181 3
182 6
183 -- -- --
184 8
185 2
186 29
187 23
188 28
189 13
190 4
191 35
192 12
193 25
194 6
195 20
196 5
197 13
198 34
199 19
200 14
201 34
202 16
203 -- -- --
204 35
205 3
206 32
207 13
208 29
209 8
210 17
211 12
212 23
213 14
214 14
215 12
216 15
217 36
218 9
219 26
220 -- -- --
221 14
222 25
223 9
224 19
225 36
226 23
227 30
228 28
229 26
230 13
231 12
232 28
233 18
234 12
235 18
Bloom
Ehhee it was nice game. I just did 1 session from beginning.
I recorded until there was one four number area, it came when 30 showed out - so now I played 31;32; 33; 34.
After 6 spins win - profit 72(win with bet 2)-32(wasted units)=40 profit.
Oki next step. Wait until there is one area with 3 numbers not shown. So on the 40th spin from your sheet number 3 showed out("killed" second running 3 number area) and now i started to pet area 21;22;23. After 15 spins 22 won.
Profit: 288(win with 8 units per number step)-152(wasted units)=136 units profit
Yes it can be longer progression but I like this growing progress - so "far" I win more profit i get and it works really nice.
And final profit with 57 spins 136+40=177 units!
yeahh it was nice session but I had them many. Aproximately session give yes about 100 maybe.
Lets try more mates.
4 numbers firrst and who want can play 3 numbers as well.
Regards
Camel
Sorry I cant do today anymore tests. Im too tired and must work tomorrow. But later I can do.
Camel
Hi Camel,
I was testing your system out on some wiesbaden spins and after finding four consecutive un-hit numbers, I started counting and the number finally hit on the 22nd spin (since I began count). Now would this be an example of a loss session? What I mean is, according to your progression, u state that you play 1111-2222-4444-8888-$10 bets until number hits. But according to your testing, what has been the longest spin number since your 4 consecutive numbers didn't turn up and what is ur average loss amount like?
Hope i made some sense there...
This is the first I have seen of this thread. Very interesting. I would like to test some tomorrow.
cps10, it would be excellent to get your test feedback on this one. I'm thinking there will be a lot of long progression swings and a few too long to chase. Please let us know what you find out.
Bloom
With win on the 22th spin, u are in minus 122, Yes it happen sometimes. Sometimes I recover it already in same session when I play 3 numbers or I recover it with next session(s). It doesent happen often that I need to play with 10 bet. It should be winning system, Its more like ability to play. Its always combination but it base on sleeping running number areas and progression.
Lets paly more mates :)
Camel
Hmm and one thing more. Dont play this system on 27 roulette whell. Its much more risky.
Camel
Sorry 37 I mean
QuoteSorry 37 I mean
Huh? So the system is good for American wheel 38 but not for European wheel 37 ?
Please complete the testing of the 235 spin database. You only did the first 57 spins.
Cheers Camel [smiley=dankk2.gif] :thumbsup:
tried this for the last two days - made 50 units yesterday and 100 today playing the live european wheel at 32vegas. I changed the progression to 11111122223332255 but I never went past the fifth bet.
Hope it holds out....[smiley=grin.gif]
Nice if people have nice results :)
No I mean single zero wheel. With double zero there are more numbers and change are less but it should work even on double zero wheel. Had some positive tests but not many. Anyway better is single zero.
Yes I will end this database. Sorry I have been really busy.
Any another results?
Camel
Oki second game from database. Start from 58th number. There wasnt any 4 areas so I played 3 areas until 1 was left. I started to play on 94th spin and bet on 8:9:10. First spin(number 10) was winner, so 33 profit with 1 spin.
I will do next tests but havent time atm. Be pacient plese guys.
Camel
QuoteCheers Camel [smiley=dankk2.gif] :thumbsup:
tried this for the last two days - made 50 units yesterday and 100 today playing the live european wheel at 32vegas. I changed the progression to 11111122223332255 but I never went past the fifth bet.
Hope it holds out....[smiley=grin.gif]
Hi Theneophyte, ur progression looks interesting but i don't think i quite understand how u'd apply it to this method...could u please give an example, i would much appreciate it...thanks!
Mystidark
great system,
I will put this to the test!
thanks for sharing!
gr erwin
QuoteQuoteCheers Camel [smiley=dankk2.gif] :thumbsup:
tried this for the last two days - made 50 units yesterday and 100 today playing the live european wheel at 32vegas. I changed the progression to 11111122223332255 but I never went past the fifth bet.
Hope it holds out....[smiley=grin.gif]
Hi Theneophyte, ur progression looks interesting but i don't think i quite understand how u'd apply it to this method...could u please give an example, i would much appreciate it...thanks!
Mystidark
:)
i bet one unit on each number for six spins then 2 units for 3 spins etc.
i won 76 units yesterday - maximum progression 6 steps.
[smiley=thumbsup.gif]
I kept a note of numbers hit while I was playing a 6-sector system. I got to 36 spins, and there was one block of four unhit numbers (36, 0, 1, 2) and oneblock of three unhit numbers (25, 26,27) remaining; I was nervous about getting into a long progression, and as I dithered about starting betting, I noticed that 25,26,27 is a street (I think that's the correct term), and so I could put just one unit on that street for a lower risk / or a longer progression. While I was working this out, the block of four numbers was hit by a Zero and then a 2 a couple of spins later. So there's nothing left to look at but this block of three. I decide to wait to 42 spins before I start betting. Then I feel it's safe enough to put one unit on each number. It hit on the very next spin. So I logged out and checked my numbers again! I was playing a live wheel at jebet online. Took about 1 hour 15 mins, but I had a few hits with the 6-sector system in that time too.
I'm a bit nervous about playing the 4 numbers if they appear after only 20 spins or so. I feel safer (perhaps erroneously) waiting for 3 unhit numbers alone, and minimum 36 spins to have gone by. Then I can use a progression of 1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1, 2,2,2,2,2,2. That's eight spins at one unit per number and six spins at two units per number, giving a 14 - step progression. And waiting until around 40 spins before starting to bet should give more room for a hit. I think I would quit after the 14th step, and start a new session. For sure, it takes time use this method, but it's excellent if you are using another system too, and building a session over an hour or so. Two methods in parallel could work well, IMHO.
Thanks Camel ;)
Richard.
QuoteI kept a note of numbers hit while I was playing a 6-sector system. I got to 36 spins, and there was one block of four unhit numbers (36, 0, 1, 2) and oneblock of three unhit numbers (25, 26,27) remaining; I was nervous about getting into a long progression, and as I dithered about starting betting, I noticed that 25,26,27 is a street (I think that's the correct term), and so I could put just one unit on that street for a lower risk / or a longer progression. While I was working this out, the block of four numbers was hit by a Zero and then a 2 a couple of spins later. So there's nothing left to look at but this block of three. I decide to wait to 42 spins before I start betting. Then I feel it's safe enough to put one unit on each number. It hit on the very next spin. So I logged out and checked my numbers again! I was playing a live wheel at jebet online. Took about 1 hour 15 mins, but I had a few hits with the 6-sector system in that time too.
I'm a bit nervous about playing the 4 numbers if they appear after only 20 spins or so. I feel safer (perhaps erroneously) waiting for 3 unhit numbers alone, and minimum 36 spins to have gone by. Then I can use a progression of 1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1, 2,2,2,2,2,2. That's eight spins at one unit per number and six spins at two units per number, giving a 14 - step progression. And waiting until around 40 spins before starting to bet should give more room for a hit. I think I would quit after the 14th step, and start a new session. For sure, it takes time use this method, but it's excellent if you are using another system too, and building a session over an hour or so. Two methods in parallel could work well, IMHO.
Thanks Camel ;)
Richard.
does this mean you are waiting for sleepers to hit?
i didn't play that way. as soon as four unhit numbers in a row showed i bet on them. i also carried on marking off numbers and if another set or four came up i bet on that too.
I'm confused. :-[
I thought "sleepers" and "unhit numbers" were the same thing. What I have been doing is recording every number that hits over a 36 spin session. At that point, I look and see if there are any unhit groups (ie consecutive numbers, such as 7,8,9,10) Usually there is one group of four numbers that has not been hit in the last 36 spins, and sometimes also two or three groups of three consecutive numbers. Because I'm a chicken and a crap gambler, I watch until the group of four is hit, then I start to bet on the groups of 3 being hit soon. Have I misunderstood Camel's system?
QuoteI'm confused. :-[
I thought "sleepers" and "unhit numbers" were the same thing. What I have been doing is recording every number that hits over a 36 spin session. At that point, I look and see if there are any unhit groups (ie consecutive numbers, such as 7,8,9,10) Usually there is one group of four numbers that has not been hit in the last 36 spins, and sometimes also two or three groups of three consecutive numbers. Because I'm a chicken and a crap gambler, I watch until the group of four is hit, then I start to bet on the groups of 3 being hit soon. Have I misunderstood Camel's system?
I like this approach. Do you have session that you can post describing this method of play?
@cps10
lemme see if I can dig out the sheets..... off to work now so it won't be until this evening.
Richard.
@cps10
here's a session; Gavin at jebet, 2.00pm on 26/5/08
26
21
3
8
1
36
22
10
19
22
16
16
21
12
28
30
26
8
1
4
2
4
35
34
3
3
19
21
36
13
13
22
35
22
2
22
6
30
23 at this point Gavin went away, so I stopped recording; He came back to the same table 40 minutes later, so I went back to the sheet I had been using for him initially, and just continued with it;
27
24
At this point the only contiguous three numbers remaining were 31,32 and 33, a street. So I started betting one unit on each number (31,32,33); from spin number 42
4
11
8
3
4
17
20
20 after 8 spins at one unit per number I increase to 2 units per number
15
14
1
36
32 HIT! -24 and -30 +72= +18 units. I found this a rather long and stressful progression, but the previous night I had won on the very first spin, so I can't complain.
On the other hand, I have also had a game where the last 3 contiguous numbers (in this case 7,8,9) did not show for the whole of my 15-step progression, so I stopped at -64 units. All-in-all I am still in a negative profit situation with this system. Dunno, I may concentrate on Turbo's first-dozen four-number method as adapted by Hermes etc. I've had a few tests on that, and the only problem is keeping your nerve long enough!
Looks good studyolic...I will take a look at the session and see what I can derive with numbers on my end.
Camel, where did you read that to have only 4 sleepers take 15 to 20 spins? It takes to 70 and more spins to see only 4 sleepers.
Hermes
And also if they're the last three contiguous unhit
they're likely to be in the last 4 and they mightn't
hit for so many spins it's not funny.
About the least sensible unhit I believe is six, hence my
"Last 6" prog.
A strange thing too. Doesn't seem to make any
difference (at least on an RNG) whether it gets
down to the last six in 50 spins or 80. Seems that
one of those last six will hit in a reasonable time.
Is there an explanation for this?
I have only tested the system on one session of 51 spins. After 32 spins the only progression left was 29 30 31 32 33 5 nos in all, if 30-32 came up there would be no 4no progressions so i tried it with the 5 nos. From the 32nd to 51st spins the nos 29-33 were not struck , a run of 19 misses This is probably not a fair test but the warning bells are there. Walu.
thank for sharing ,i want test it :yahoo:
What happened to this thread? Did you guys test it more? Did you junk the system? I'm very curious.