Ok, as some of you know I am, so to speak, a newbie at playing roulette. First I was fooled by false ideas given (like being able to play with bonus money on roulette when most casinos don't include this game as part of the wagering requierement), I've tried systems, made fool moves and lost some money in the game that I truly, found out that I know nothing about it.
But there is something that I know, and that is I WANT TO LEARN HOW TO PLAY ROULETTE...and I want that really bad.
I recently had a growing interestest in the controversial topic of "reading random" (otherwise I wouldn't be posting here...) and find it really interesting. So, to any guru:
a)is it really possible to read random?
b)if so, how can I begin to learn reading it? what are the topics that you think will help me deciphrate random and exploit it (if that is even possible of course)? are there any books or something?
Heck, even I would like to be mentored by someone about this, unlike most newbies who just beg and rant, I really want to learn. I quickly found out that just asking the pros for methods/strategies/their HG's just won't work...it's even pitty. Hence, my desire to learn how to properly play this amazing game.
I'm an oper book ready to be written upon.
Thank you.
*PTING*
Was that a pin dop?
Quotea)is it really possible to read random?
Unfortunately , no it's not possible. The guy Gizmotron who started it all is a big joke. He does not really know the game but just pretend to. Don't listen to him as you'll lose whatever you have amassed up to this point. He is a big ego on two legs and is very emotive. Too much to be considered a real winner. He has never been able to demonstrate his prowess for good reasons.
Quotea)is it really possible to read random?
Quote from: Arteinvivo on June 21, 2009, 07:27:56 PM
Unfortunately , no it's not possible. The guy Gizmotron who started it all is a big joke. He does not really know the game but just pretend to. Don't listen to him as you'll lose whatever you have amassed up to this point. He is a big ego on two legs and is very emotive. Too much to be considered a real winner. He has never been able to demonstrate his prowess for good reasons.
Arte is a fool. He would have you believe that something he can't do is the only way to see things. What he gets from telling others baloney you will have to define for yourself. I have presented real world arguments that many fools have failed to address on this topic of randomness. I specifically pointed out "Clustering Analysis" as a real subject of science. These fools insist that pointing out that illusions and fallacy exist to such a degree that it trumps all discussions.
So here are ways to read randomness:
You can read if a group of numbers are hitting in a dominate type of series. An example of that is dozens hitting as singles. Do you know what that means? Do you need that spelled out for you? Here are a bunch of numbers hitting as singles: 1, 13, 25, 2, 14, 26, 3, 15, 27, etc... (1 = first table layout dozen), (13 = second table layout dozen), 25 = third table layout dozen). In this example you read past spins as 1,2,3, 1,2,3, 1,2,3, etc... Now anyone can see that this is an example of singles, unless they admit being stupid also. It's also a repeating pattern too. Can you see the repeating pattern? If you can then you are reading randomness.
Can you read dominations in randomness? Can you chart twenty past spins where you can see one of the three table layout dozens not hitting in the past twenty spins? If you can then you are reading randomness.
Now the math guys, that can't tell me what the next spin will be, they want you to believe that reading randomness is for those that claim reading randomness is about for telling the future. They want you to get stuck on that point because they can't or won't admit that past spins have a value to any advantage player that knows how to use clustering data. What's really funny here is that clustering data is used by mathematicians for predicting results in pattern recognition. They do that by using math formula. So the math guys, that are hung up on long term odds can't admit they are wrong. They argue that you won't know when something will be useful so they say you can't read randomness.
I have never shared how to use "reading randomness." This is what angers these so called experts of randomness. They never address and answer questions that I give them. They always chicken out and prop up sophistry and straw man arguments in order to dodge the questions. It's all here in this section on randomness. You can read where they always chicken out. That's an amazing result for this forum too. You don't often see individuals willing to make idiots of themselves in public. They are so angry that all they have is attack issues to prop themselves up with. It's too bad too. Because I believe that guessing is all you have to beat roulette. Having a method for bet selection that works comes from experience and the knowledge of what to look for. I get that from reading the randomness that flows while I play.
So you must ignore those that say you can't read randomness. They won't answer questions and they only wish to shut down discussion of this idea.
I have shown you to look at past spins for series of singles and dominations or sleeping's in three relative dozens. Now you must admit that I pointed this out specifically. What I have not done is tell you how to turn that into an advantage for yourself. I'm astonished that at this forum, nobody is attempting to turn that into a method. They would rather look for a trigger. In fact, they think I use a trigger to take advantage somehow, an advantage they they insist can't exist. Well I agree, only they won't hear or read that. I don't use triggers because they work like mindless robots, directly into the house's advantage and lose they all lose eventually. You must change as the data changes. Triggers are mindless rules of system builders.
You have to use your brain for something more than a system builder.
@Just_Gabe >>> Why not do what I did? Trial and error over years of testing/playing. You will need a source for numbers, notebooks (different sizes), a ruler, colored markers, a calculator and lots of soda. Go to it!.......I did. Ken
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Gizmotron,
Great post.
The only thing I'd say though is: Save your time. The great majority will never listen. That's just the way it is.
Do know, however, that your posts and clues do help a lot those who are willing to learn (myself included). You do deserve a thank you.
It's just that sometimes silence is the best answer, especially when it's all out there, all the clues people need. Yet people will still go straightly to the "Full Systems" section looking for that magic trigger and progression, while ignoring the most important part of the game: Studying randomness.
Regards,
Marven
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Quote from: Marven on June 25, 2009, 12:01:32 PM
Gizmotron,
Great post.
The only thing I'd say though is: Save your time. The great majority will never listen. That's just the way it is.
Do know, however, that your posts and clues do help a lot those who are willing to learn (myself included). You do deserve a thank you.
It's just that sometimes silence is the best answer, especially when it's all out there, all the clues people need. Yet people will still go straightly to the "Full Systems" section looking for that magic trigger and progression, while ignoring the most important part of the game: Studying randomness.
Regards,
Marven
Thanks, very much.
Here is an invaluable hint: Don't bet the dozens unless the state of advantage is working in them while you bet. In other words don't bet 12 or 24 numbers per bet unless they are in a favorable state. That's why I track nine different dozens, that nine make up three sets. They still dominate as unfavorable most of the time. But when it's working it's like winning almost all bets. There must be a stand off bet or no bet method in order to wait to win. Of course those that think you can't wait for an advantage have probably not spent much time doing it. It makes no sense to bet the dozens when they are in a state of chaos.
Now there is Spike and his secret method for randomness. He has worked out a method for short term tracking and chaos. The only thing I can think of is that if it is not consistent then it must jump away from consistent results. That has to be a kind of consistency in itself. Perhaps it's possible to make a method from it not being dominate in one direction.
QuoteDon't bet the dozens unless the state of advantage is working in them while you bet. In other words don't bet 12 or 24 numbers per bet unless they are in a favorable state
As i said this guy is unable to discuss or even touch even lightly the surface of this topic as all he has is a vague idea about the laws that govern the states of a random roulette wheel. What he said above is just pure crap. A scammer would use the same vague arguments always being unable to propose a model or even a theory at the core of his beliefs as these are just beliefs nothing more. All mathematicians that use patterns said that we can't use their model to beat a random wheel or beat casino games. Wake up boy, snap out of your dreaming state. If you can't talk correctly about the nature of randomness then why bother ? Why pointing toward wrong directions. I saw that you have a couple of disciples. Glad for you but stop this non sense. It's ridiculous. How old are you to believe in such foolish concepts ? 15 ?
Quote from: Arteinvivo on June 25, 2009, 08:48:37 PM
As I said this guy is unable to discuss or even touch even lightly the surface of this topic as all he has is a vague idea about the laws that govern the states of a random roulette wheel. What he said above is just pure crap. A scammer would use the same vague arguments always being unable to propose a model or even a theory at the core of his beliefs as these are just beliefs nothing more. All mathematicians that use patterns said that we can't use their model to beat a random wheel or beat casino games. Wake up boy, snap out of your dreaming state. If you can't talk correctly about the nature of randomness then why bother ? Why pointing toward wrong directions. I saw that you have a couple of disciples. Glad for you but stop this non sense. It's ridiculous. How old are you to believe in such foolish concepts ? 15 ?
What a load of crap! Arte spent a full year promoting the Matrix system. He admitted that it was just a hoax. BTW, there are no laws that govern the states of randomness. So let's hear from the fabricator of stories about these "laws that govern the states of randomness." Don't chicken out now Arte. There is far too much chickening out on this forum. Let's see some real mathematicians that say pattern recognition does not apply to common randomness, like in Roulette. Stand up and prove your crap Arte. We see your section is as dead as a 200 year old cadaver. All you do is the only thing you have ever done in two years. You make up crap and disrupt discussion. There are no laws that govern the states of randomness. Unless you are now admitting that you can read randomness. Certainly those so called laws make discernment of the states of randomness possible. It would be easy to see that anyone can read randomness if they would just get their heads out of their flower pots.
man you guys are like 2 cats i used to have in the country always fighting, gizmo i have the most respect for the knowledge you no about the game,don't take it to your grave ,keep up the great work all the best Tino
I don't think that two-cats-sam is going to like that much. It's more like arte is a bug that splatters on the wind shield. He's a bug with nine thousand brothers and sisters.
Quote from: Arteinvivo on June 25, 2009, 08:48:37 PM
What he said above is just pure crap.
To
you, it obviously is.
Regards,
Marven
QuoteHere are a bunch of numbers hitting as singles: 1, 13, 25, 2, 14, 26, 3, 15, 27, etc... (1 = first table layout dozen), (13 = second table layout dozen), 25 = third table layout dozen). In this example you read past spins as 1,2,3, 1,2,3, 1,2,3, etc... Now anyone can see that this is an example of singles, unless they admit being stupid also. It's also a repeating pattern too. Can you see the repeating pattern? If you can then you are reading randomness.
@Arteinvivo .
I really don't know how anyone can argue about what Giz has put here.
I see that and more every time I play Roulette.
The plan Fact is it does exist and it or other patterns are there for all to see on every Display Board(Marquee).
@Gizmotron.
You are the section Moderator here Mate.
Why don't You just open another Topic with the heading of,
Questions for/Comments about (Ok, so how do I begin?)
And You can just move the posts that are disrupting this thread to there.
That way You will have a Clear and clean thread the way You want it.
Lanky.
Lanky, there are many reasons why I wanted to try to reason with Arte. He thinks there are laws that govern randomness. The only law I know of is 37/1 or 38/1 respective of the types of wheels used. On the very next spin that is the only law that exists. There is nothing preventing or causing that law to have an effect on two spins at once. it's not 76/2 or 74/2 that pays after two spins. There is no mathematical connection to multiple spins because the casinos don't pay on multiple spins other than one spin at a time.
Consequently there are no laws that apply to multiple spins from the past in comparison to single or multiple spins in the future. There is just one spin, one bet, and one payout. So why should past results apply to the next spin? They do because you use them for bet selections. It's only a reason to have a bet selection. Nothing says that they are always the right bet selections. Nothing prevents them from being right either. They are just an excuse to have a bet selection process. They exist all around you. Use them, don't use them, that's up to you. The point is can you use a bet selection process to see if it is working or not? I've been saying all along you can. I've said test as you go. That is what I mean by checking to see if it's working or not. Seeing a bet selection opportunity is only part of the method. You must know what to do with it in all situations. Think. That's what I did. I figured it out. Any of you can too. Don't get stuck on the bet selection process. The game is won or lost in the strategy applied to the situation, when to bet larger, when to attack, and when to lay back.
Gizmotron,
When you say, "That's why I track nine different dozens, that nine make up three sets," other than the 3 dozen's and 3 column's what other combination do you use to track 3 additional "dozens?"
Thanks
I once thought that sections of the wheel would give me an advantage. There is no difference in the quality of hits. I used the three spaces on either side of each zero on the American wheel for a total of 14 numbers, counting the zeros too. Then I could leave out the zeros sometimes for a dozen. I also used the six numbers either side of 90 degrees away from the zeros. In between these two sets of ninety degree numbers and the two sets that make up the zero's sets there were left four sets of three each.
On the American wheel that makes these three sets:
0,00,1,2,9,10,13,14,25,26,27,28,35,36
5,6,17,18,19,20,21,22,31,32,33,34
3,4,7,8,11,12,15,16,23,24,29,30
I memorized these twenty years ago.
Gizmotron,
Thanks. From analyzing the streams of data, I realize you wait until the opportunity presents itself, and it's more beneficial to be patient rather than betting every spin and relying on triggers.
But how quickly would you say it is safe to "jump in" as far as reading the random and then acting? Meaning for example, if you see dozens 1,2,1,2........would you jump in now and and bet 1 only or 1 and 2 at the same time? or would you wait for a longer chain like 1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,.............and then jump in?
Thanks
This goes to the entire point of practice. You will learn what needs to happen if you practice. There are signs that some times lead you and sometimes those same signs are not there. Experience is what you are asking for. Get it the hard way. It's the only way it will count. You need it to work for you, right? Guess what? You will give yourself all the answers.
Gizmotron,
Your right regarding the practice......Thanks for your insight.
How many units do you personally aim to win on average per session?
I used to set a goal that was a leave point. I don't do that anymore. I just take what ever comes at me and whatever I can get. A session can have no opportunities and might lose a little. A session might have great opportunity and win you more than you would have won had you used a threshold. You need a way to break even while waiting for opportunities. It's really common sense.
QuoteYou need a way to break even while waiting for opportunities
Cut the comedy Gizmo, it's time to cut the crap. I admit you are quite imaginative to create strings of non sense. Here is a way to break even 100% of the time and it's free. Invest $100000 in a account in your bank then each year take the profit compounded and play it randomly on any games. No need to wait just play randomly. I can assure, you will never lose money as you can only win using this simple strategy.
Quote from: Arteinvivo on June 26, 2009, 12:10:21 PM
Cut the comedy Gizmo, it's time to cut the crap. I admit you are quite imaginative to create strings of non sense. Here is a way to break even 100% of the time and it's free. Invest $100000 in a account in your bank then each year take the profit compounded and play it randomly on any games. No need to wait just play randomly. I can assure, you will never lose money as you can only win using this simple strategy.
I could not create a more woosified image of you than that bat guano poster of a savior in spandex. You are that infamous piece of crap hanging from the top of a cave. It's perfect. Newton was wrong. BS does go up. You know Arte, not only are you stupid, but you think that your presence here is like an appearance of that hero from the comic books. I so enjoy making you look like poop. It's part on my everyday enjoyment in life. Let's see. You are the contraption king of the roulette forums. You are that Clyde Crashcup of a buffoon of a scientist that spawns the creations of Ruby Goldberg type systems that are only partially useful. In fact that fits you to a tee. You are only partially useful. Thanks for chiming in again. You are nothing. You offer nothing. Your credibility about randomness is nothing. So go Forex yourself.
Gizmotron,
Can you expand more on what you mean by reading the baseline?
I am familiar with binomial distribution, and how it relates in the grand scheme of things but when you say "baseline," are you talking about what is "expected" vs. what is actually occuring? Similar to the law of the third?
Thanks
Quote from: Madupz4 on June 26, 2009, 12:52:35 PM
Gizmotron,
Can you expand more on what you mean by reading the baseline?
I am familiar with binomial distribution, and how it relates in the grand scheme of things but when you say "baseline," are you talking about what is "expected" vs. what is actually occuring? Similar to the law of the third?
Thanks
There is nothing expected. The flow of data will transition across the baseline while in motion. The data flow of randomness is a moving target. That's why you must change with the flow. The baseline is not a moving target. It's a reference to what is happening that is in motion. You can see motion if you contrast it against a stationary object. Hence the phrase "reading randomness." You can make a winning move while betting the correct side of the baseline, while it is in a state of dominance, either side. That's what is wrong with binomial distribution as a stationary object and applying it to moving targets. The two don't fit well together, especially as a predictor. So here is the rub. People keep trying to fit me into that argument because it's all they understand. They tell others that I believe that randomness is a predictor. Anyone can argue against that. That's why they take on that great challenge. It's easy.
Good comedy Gizmo, i am sure Madupz4 is more educated than he was prior to reading your last comment :sarcastic:
Quote from: Arteinvivo on June 26, 2009, 04:41:37 PM
Good comedy Gizmo, I am sure Madupz4 is more educated than he was prior to reading your last comment :sarcastic:
That does it Arte. You are banned from this section on randomness discussion.
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To me, Arte hit the nail on the head. There is no evidence you can win long term with your so called theory and beside thousand of people practice everyday trying to beat the wheel and still no evidence has been shown that one could beat it on a regular basis. As said Arte hit the nail where it counts on the head while you seem to turn around the pot because your pot is probably empty of arguments. You can ban me if you want as i rarely like to speak with scammers or people who take pleasure to give false directions.
Quote from: potatochips on June 26, 2009, 08:06:05 PM
To me, Arte hit the nail on the head. There is no evidence you can win long term with your so called theory and beside thousand of people practice everyday trying to beat the wheel and still no evidence has been shown that one could beat it on a regular basis. As said Arte hit the nail where it counts on the head while you seem to turn around the pot because your pot is probably empty of arguments. You can ban me if you want as I rarely like to speak with scammers or people who take pleasure to give false directions.
Well let's figure out what you mean. Arte is right on point to you. That means you know as much as he does. I never gave you much thought as to your opinion. You don't seem fun to make fun of. You lack that quality that Arte has. You might be easily perceived as lacking Arte's quality. Let's see now. There was no proof of the counting cards theory before that was blabbed everywhere too. My goal is to talk around my discoveries without teaching it to every person on planet earth. So thank you for running interference for me, as it helps me do what I'm actually doing.
As far as scamming goes, yes, go ahead and lead as many people away from this as you can. I get a kick out of watching people turn away from this. Most of all, that they think they are being scammed. Ha!
"Run Forest Run." - from Forest Gump
Hi Gizmotron
I would like to say that I always find your posts very interesting and I hope that you continue with this thread and give us some insight.
Thanks
The Spiders Kiss
Quote from: The Spiders Kiss on June 26, 2009, 08:55:00 PM
Hi Gizmotron
I would like to say that I always find your posts very interesting and I hope that you continue with this thread and give us some insight.
Thanks
The Spiders Kiss
Really, thanks. Spike just handed everyone the Holy Grail. He said to practice so that you gain experience and what to do with that experience. Now work it backward. You know it's about bet selection based on guessing. I have stated that I use reasons for bet selections. I use them because of experience. I know how to use them. That is what I'm not explaining in detail. The answer is to find reasons for bet selection guessing and to become very good at it. You do this away from the casino. That is the link between Spike & me. He practices with a real roulette wheel and I do the same thing with a real, fair RNG that I wrote myself. I have my own roulette layout and real weighted chips. I also have ruled out all systems that use triggers or rule based bets. All that is left is guessing. BTW, there is no proof that it does not work.
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QuoteThe answer is to find reasons for bet selection guessing and to become very good at it
In fact, your answer is to use the luck factor and you make believe you need to practice to convince every body else you have something. It does not take a lot of common sense to realise you prefer to bullshit your audience instead of discussing logically. Look at Mr Chips's 4selecta system (a trigger based system) you will learn quite a bit in terms of showing what works, why and when it's better to use our 'guessing ability' with discretion. I see you more as a player who's doing his first experiment and has just discovered the wheel repeats some patterns or events what many call the law of third. This is basic stuff but i admit when you surround it with an aura of mystery as you do, you get more disciples. :thumbsup:
Quote from: potatochips on June 27, 2009, 10:22:59 AM
In fact, your answer is to use the luck factor and you make believe you need to practice to convince every body else you have something. It does not take a lot of common sense to realise you prefer to bullshit your audience instead of discussing logically. Look at Mr Chips's 4selecta system (a trigger based system) you will learn quite a bit in terms of showing what works, why and when it's better to use our 'guessing ability' with discretion. I see you more as a player who's doing his first experiment and has just discovered the wheel repeats some patterns or events what many call the law of third. This is basic stuff but I admit when you surround it with an aura of mystery as you do, you get more disciples. :thumbsup:
So much for your insane bull****. You are just making it up as you try to get lucky. Sorry chump but you lose again. If you had any guts you would let a pro program that 4selecta system for real trials. Trust me. It loses enough to make it not worth using. Trigger based guessing? You don't get anything fool. I'm sharing just enough in order to watch the fools like you reject it. Some day this will be the only true way to gamble and you will be one of the fools that rejected it in public. You are the reason I'm sharing just enough. Anyone can learn how to do this. I've taught my sister in a few hours. She never played Roulette before that. She gets it right off the bat. Everything you just guessed at is wrong. I was on to Elegant Patterns and the implications of that more than 18 years ago. Nobody showed me that. I discovered it on my own. It's still BS to everyone. All you are doing is trying to lead a few people away from this. The reasons you just used, from your feeble mind, are baloney and that you have no way of proving it. You, by your own expectations, are BS.
QuoteThe reasons you just used, from your feeble mind, are baloney and that you have no way of proving it
Let's see what we have and make an honest comparaison:
Mr Chips has analysed one year of results (each day has been tested) and his system did not hit the road Jack. In fact, it's a clear winner.
What about yours ? Where are your stats ? :rtfm:
Have you tested your system on more than 36 spins to declare it's a top winner ? :dance1:
Don't bother replying, we all know what you'll say. :skull:
QuoteI was on to Elegant Patterns and the implications of that more than 18 years ago.
For a guy who has worked on these ideas for so mnay years (I doubt) you have not much thing to say about it except maybe practice and use illusion to give you a reason to bet.
Quote from: potatochips on June 27, 2009, 01:00:59 PM
Let's see what we have and make an honest comparaison:
Mr Chips has analysed one year of results (each day has been tested) and his system did not hit the road Jack. In fact, it's a clear winner.
What about yours ? Where are your stats ? :rtfm:
Have you tested your system on more than 36 spins to declare it's a top winner ? :dance1:
Don't bother replying, we all know what you'll say. :skull:
For a guy who has worked on these ideas for so mnay years (I doubt) you have not much thing to say about it except maybe practice and use illusion to give you a reason to bet.
This post is a perfect example of the mindset of a person that has not considered anything that I have shown. I said you could prove it to yourself. And you could easily. I have proof of closed minded dreamers that chase impossible methods in you. Trust me, you are not the first fool to stand his ground without ever checking it out for truth. There are no words that will reach you. When the opportunity is past, you will be the super fool.
I believe the world was flat and people died for the mandate of that belief. You are a rank amateur of a Grand Inquisitor. ;D
QuoteIf you had any guts you would let a pro program that 4selecta system for real trials. Trust me. It loses enough to make it not worth using. Trigger based guessing? You don't get anything fool.
You did not reply to this ?
Mr Chips has analysed one year of results (each day has been tested) and his system did not hit the road Jack. In fact, it's a clear winner.People will easily see you are a dishonnest person intellectually speaking. Have you tested Mr. Chip's 4selecta to affirm with conviction it's not worth it ?
QuoteIt loses enough to make it not worth using
Gizmotron,
I don't mind anyone criticising 4Selecta, as long as they are accurate and produce results, which backs up their statement.
As usual in your posts you are short on accuracy, proof and no verifiable results, unlike the information I have supplied for
the 4Selecta system.
If you want people to take an interest in what you have to say, you should stick to the facts and not make comments, that
have no verifiable factual content.
Mr Chips
Chips, there is no way that your three dozen system works consistently. The only thing that works is your attempt to bail out on negative outcomes. I'm an expert at tracking any complete dozen sets and how they act. Your sets don't act any different than any other complete sets. I have written programs to prove that you can't beat series in dozens. I'm not going to get into a war of words with you. I know what I know. Some day you will see that your system is not good enough and you will try something else. My opinion is correct. Yours is wrong. You can think what you want of me and my opinion. I've done the work that led me to knowing that nothing like what you have can work. So let the years go by. We will see another contraption system crash and burn and you will probably have to leave with your tail dragging in the dirt. Don't believe me? What about all the other claimers here that had systems that eventually failed. That's you chips. It's just not occurred to you yet.
The reason randomness methods work is because they are adaptive on each spin. It allows for pull backs, changing, situational adaptivity, opposite of situation bet selection options, attacking scenarios, and multi level flat betting schemes for effective MM options. I don't think I ever saw systems built by anyone that have considerations for all that on each spin. It's like watching babies walk for the first time. They don't just get up and run a marathon in their first run.
Gizmotron,
Your telling us that your such an expert on randomness and that in x number of years 4Selecta will fail. Surely your expertise must lead you
to providing a good estimate when it is likely to fail. You will be doing a service to those poor souls who want to and are using 4Selecta and
inform them of a certain failure in x number of years time.
Surely it shouldn't take years for it to fail? You say "the only thing that works is your attempt to bail out on negative outcomes". So it does work
and then it won't work. So when it does work we can accumulate thousands of units profit and and await the expert's opinion of when it will fail
and for some reason it won't be profitable any more.
Stand by you people who are making a profit from 4Selecta for an announcement from the expert.
Mr Chips
If someone would explain in plain English how to use 4Selecta, so that any new person can understand it, then I'll build the sim that tests it. All I have so far are parts of rules I don't understand from four groups of streets combined to make up dozens. I could not tell how to place a bet or why. I'm not stupid. There was not a clear explanation on page one. I'm not going to read twenty some odd pages looking for the rules. There must be another explanation because others imply that they understand the system. So far no system tested has shown a long term win. That includes systems designed to avoid losses. If this works then you deserve a science prize and a trip to Night Time TV. I have every right to remain skeptical. I just watched the same reaction to other so called winners over the past two years. They are house of cards systems. What a laugh. If this works then it will show up some how as a casino advantage that is dealt with by all casinos. Where's that?
QuoteIf someone would explain in plain English how to use 4Selecta
I'd feel like telling you move your biz lazy ass and read/test/try to understand by yourself. Don't expect to be spoon-fed like a little baby. Do your homework. Everything is there in Mr. Chips's section.
Everything is there in Mr. Chips's section.>>
Tell you what. Just pretend me and Gizmo and I are clueless morons and spoon feed it to us. Everybody who has tested it who knows what they're doing says it loses right at the house edge, it has no advantage. So tell us what we're missing.
QuoteEverybody who has tested it who knows what they're doing says it loses right at the house edge
Just name one person who tested it? Just one single person on this board or any other board?
*Don't bother, i know you won't find one.
Quote from: potatochips on June 28, 2009, 01:15:55 PM
I'd feel like telling you move your biz lazy ass and read/test/try to understand by yourself. Don't expect to be spoon-fed like a little baby. Do your homework. Everything is there in Mr. Chips's section.
Why should I have to do double the work for the likes of you, Mr. Potato Head? What are you now, the system police? If I wanted to prove every hair brained idea here was bogus I'd take all the hopes and dreams of this forum into the sewer. When has Chips ever said that it takes experience to use his system? You can't spoon feed experience. Thanks for standing up for the idiots. I'm sure you are their new hero now.
The comedy duo Spike and Gizmo unable to find enough people to insult over at GG come to this forum in the hope of some
entertainment. They claim to be experts, but cannot divulge what they know. When someone presents them with verifiable
results they don't dare look at them. They are not in the business of dealing in facts, they are not entertaining enough for
the comedy duo. They will always find an excuse not to examine verifiable results.
They will tell you they are experts in educated guessing, it's all part of the comedy routine. Do they produce verifiable results
you must be joking, you just need to accept they are experts and they hope you will be impressed enough by their superior
expertise, that you won't press them for details or dare I suggest any verifiable results.
As for 4Selecta it continues to make a profit in casino's and I have used it on many occasions both at the Tables and roulette
machines. I am still producing verifiable results including analysis. Contrast this with what you get from the comedy duo, it's
located between 26 and 32 on the wheel ;) ;D
Mr Chips
Quote from: Mr Chips on June 28, 2009, 06:32:48 PM
The comedy duo Spike and Gizmo unable to find enough people to insult over at GG come to this forum in the hope of some entertainment. They claim to be experts, but cannot divulge what they know. When someone presents them with verifiable results they don't dare look at them. They are not in the business of dealing in facts, they are not entertaining enough for the comedy duo. They will always find an excuse not to examine verifiable results.
Just another chicken that won't make the job of programming your system easy. That's all I ask. Go ahead, dodge the question for a years if you like. I need a simple set of rules so that I can program it. Too many times have I been bogged down in interpretation that I have to do the job so many times that I end up hating the entire process. So you jump through all the hoops and I'll write the program from simple to understand rules. Try that out funny man. If you don't then you are afraid to see the result. I never said that I would divulge what I do. Don't dodge the question by using me for your excuse. Unless of course you enjoy being a chicken that can't sing or dance.
It a well known fact that El Chipo understands his own system the least of anybody. He's clueless as to how it works. Thats because it doesn't. Work, that is..
QuoteIt a well known fact that El Chipo understands his own system the least of anybody. He's clueless as to how it works.
Thats because it doesn't. Work, that is
This is a statement by someone who has clocked up over 10,000 posts on various forums and produced nothing of any importance!
The 4Selecta has shown to have made 10,000 units profit from verifiable results. What a contrast from producing worthless and often
insulting posts to someone who has produced a viable system that makes a good profit.
As to having 4Selecta programmed, it requires a great deal of human intervention in order to maximise profit and keep losses to a minimum.
I intend to get up to 10 select spins programmed, as that is completely mechanical and just needs an additional rule of not going below +90
units. When I did the analysis, it showed even at that early stage it was making a profit. Most probably the program will be written at the end
of this year, when the New Forum is set up and it should produce some interesting results.
Mr Chips
Isn't this the type of argument that the Roulette Ride program was designed to put paid to?
This is quite comical.
Quote from: bombus on June 29, 2009, 04:53:01 AM
Isn't this the type of argument that the Roulette Ride program was designed to put paid to?
Roulette Ride 1.2 Competition was given away free. It was designed to end all disputes about cheating during proof sessions. Nobody really wanted proof it appears. I only bust my butt for nothing around here. (My choice) Some people like it for practice. Most people don't need to prove anything.
The 4Selecta has shown to have made 10,000 units profit from verifiable results.>>>
In some countries, pigs have been shown to fly.
>>Most probably the program will be written at the end
of this year>>
Whats the rush? Why not by 2015? You have no reason to hurry, relax..
I would also like to know a lot about reading random. Would you mind teaching some of it Giz or Spike?
Just_Gabe,
Your not going to get anything from the comedy duo just read some of their posts over at GG. You see the reply :
QuoteIn some countries, pigs have been shown to fly.
It is the sort of reply you will get, so don't expect to be told anything worthwhile. In my reply 48 I said they hate it, when someone
produces verifiable results, it undermines their superiority, as experts in educated guessing and reading random.
Hopefully the people who now run this forum and there appears to be a great many of them, will outlaw this nonsense, who lead
people on in the expectation they are going to get some divine knowledge about reading random, educated guessing and other such
garbage and they end up with a fat zero.
Mr Chips
Quote from: Just_Gabe on June 30, 2009, 01:41:59 AM
I would also like to know a lot about reading random. Would you mind teaching some of it Giz or Spike?
It's simple. Come up with a chart that shows you the spin outcomes for the table layout sections. Observe multiple spins in your chart. Check the chart to see if you can learn anything from it. If you can't, then take a two week break from Roulette and then give up on it altogether.
QuoteHopefully the people who now run this forum and there appears to be a great many of them, will outlaw this nonsense
I am afraid this won't be the case judging the encouragement Gizmo got from Lanky and Spiker Kiss. I think this non sense about reading randomness will have its band of followers. Anyway, it's certainly not with guys like Gizmo or Spike they will learn anything except maybe to get some encouragements like this: "some have a nice avatar" - LOL. I admit this is deep remark coming from Gizmo. :clapping:
Open your eyes guys, don't let this guy ridiculize you any longer. As Arteinvivo used to say... snap out of it or better... cut the comedy or cut the crap.
Quote from: potatochips on June 30, 2009, 05:18:30 PM
I am afraid this won't be the case judging the encouragement Gizmo got from Lanky and Spiker Kiss. I think this non sense about reading randomness will have its band of followers. Anyway, it's certainly not with guys like Gizmo or Spike they will learn anything except maybe to get some encouragements like this: "some have a nice avatar" - LOL. I admit this is deep remark coming from Gizmo. :clapping:
Open your eyes guys, don't let this guy ridiculize you any longer. As Arteinvivo used to say... snap out of it or better... cut the comedy or cut the crap.
OK Don Quixote, you have your great cause. You get to be the resident skeptic. It's amazing too. Pattern recognition is a known science. It's a no brainer. You refuse to discover the facts that reinforce this method. We get it. I'm encouraged that you find Arte as a person to look up to with regards to dealing with this. You are in good company.