groundhog day

[elmo]

Sometimes reading the roulette forums can become a bit deflating because you get the feeling that you are going over old ground a fair bit of the time.
The casino are offering us a losing proposition in the "shape" of roulette. HOWEVER what I should say is that it is a losing proposition if we look at attacking the game how THEY would like us to look at it.
If you go through the history of casino gaming and look up all the successful players, what do you notice they all had in common? They all looked at the game from a different viewpoint compared to your typical "gambler".

Thorp (blackjack)
Eudaemons (roulette)

I am sure in the late 60's/early 70's, the casinos would not have expected the revolution to appear in blackjack where players found out that at certain times in the game the player had a small edge.
As far as roulette is concerned, you only have to look at the countermeasures that have taken place in regards to the manufacturing of gaming equipment to realize that the casino's see V.B. play and bias wheels as a real threat.

So in my humble opinion the way forward is to try and find the NEW edge that can take on the casino and beat them. It is out there, it is just a matter of finding it.

It would be interesting to discuss this and see what new ideas we could come up with and determine if they are worthy of further investigation.

[elmo]

Something that springs to my mind is the use of progressions.
Mr J seems to be enjoying a lot of success with them lately. I keep my ear to the ground regarding what's going on in casinos and there have recently been stories of players been banned for winning big over long periods of time using progressions. So now I ask myself WHY?
Are the newer style wheels so random that it actually makes certain types of bets using a progression more of a viable way of playing. My initial thought would be NO. But does it warrant further investigation. I used to play a progression bet where I just backed a few numbers and what used to beat me was the group of hot numbers that would go against me for long periods of time. Now I am inclined to think because the outcomes may be more evenly spread,  my method may work with the same degree of success as Mr J is having.
It is always going to be a cat and mouse game against the casino. What worked yesterday may not work today and vice versa.

[bombus]

I'm just gonna quote Spike here... "Bet selection is King."



Get that right, and then you can mess with progressions.

[Bo0Merang]

Something that springs to my mind is the use of progressions.
Mr J seems to be enjoying a lot of success with them lately. I keep my ear to the ground regarding what's going on in casinos and there have recently been stories of players been banned for winning big over long periods of time using progressions. So now I ask myself WHY?
Are the newer style wheels so random that it actually makes certain types of bets using a progression more of a viable way of playing. My initial thought would be NO. But does it warrant further investigation. I used to play a progression bet where I just backed a few numbers and what used to beat me was the group of hot numbers that would go against me for long periods of time. Now I am inclined to think because the outcomes may be more evenly spread,  my method may work with the same degree of success as Mr J is having.
It is always going to be a cat and mouse game against the casino. What worked yesterday may not work today and vice versa.

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 just for fun this is  progression on  dozens betting be honest I do  couple time enjoy run like that it can  be ride wery well if you  anyone like i was experimenting with  this  on  penc play arround 200 spins and the highest worst i did 4 time l whe it was jump so there you  can  see that progression  can be used just  depenc how  much  and when

[Nathan Detroit]

elmo got a point  there. The casinos are closing one loop hole  and another one is opening up  for the smart cats.

Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!

[TwoCatSam]

"Bet selection is King."


Can there be a bet selection?

Sam

[bombus]

Can there be a bet selection?

Sam

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Yes.

How you decide what to bet on is the most important aspect of the game.

Only when you are satisfied with the selection process should you start tweaking around with progressions.

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An example...

Look at Mr. j's "my method" thread that many forum members are enjoying at present, yourself included.

Now if Mr. J had posted, pick two numbers at random, any two numbers, then bet on them with this 56-step progression, then the system would have been given little credibility.

But he has put some thought into the bet selection process. Then tailored a progression to suit. Hopefully, the bet selections combined with the tailored progression will outperform the house edge.

Without the selection process, the progression is doomed, and that's for sure and certain.  

[bombus]

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