OK, now that I am testing the :diablo: system with the forum, so what do I do if I can convince you that it is the 'Holy Grail'
DO I just give it away? freebies are never appreciated...
DO I try to sell it? and be called another scammer...
DO I take souls? :diablo: would love this
What??
Most of you are familiar with Horse Racing and the subscription services that a punter can take with tipsters who predict winners for a fee. Could this work for Roulette to??
I have been thinking along these lines.
A gambler pays me, lets say $50 in advance, and then heads off to his local casino at a time that he has arranged with me. He now gets to his favourite roulette table and records the last 24 numbers out. He then either emails, sms'es, facebooks, twitters or even phones them to me, and within 2-3 minutes I send him his bet selection for the next 12 spins. With the advancement of technology and cellphones, this is completely feasible.
Would anyone be interested in this type of service?
How much should I charge per 24 spins analysed? $25 to $50 seems fair - I could survive with only 200 clients --> $5k - 10k per month. Would even consider a monthly rate or % of winnings (but that can be sticky)...
Any further suggestions?
I could retire to the golf course with this and everyone is happy - you WIN because you now have the 'Holy Grail' for a small fee, and I play golf :thumbsup:
Is anyone doing anything similar with roulette?
Would you be interested?
I think you need to prove this consistently is a winner and set up a live demonstration. IF after all that it proves consistantly positive, only then would you have a hope. Having said that the whole point of this forum is about sharing to beat our commen enemy the casino. If its so powerful you shouldnt need to sell it anyway.
@Kagatori
A tipsters subscription service is only as good as his tips
Rubbish tips and the word gets around and it falls flat on its face
winning tips and it can only grow from strength to strength - that is the proof - no need for millions of tests and hours wasted - $25 to risk
I am currently playing it and winning - but want to evolve the method of play to benefit others and get myself out of the casino
the trial should be simple:
get 3 or 4 forum members to try this out real time - maximum invested is $100 in total ($25x4)
if they win, then great - more subscribers
if they lose, then bust
I personally dont have time to spend hours and hours proving - and anywhere the $100 im making during the trial will not make me rich or pay the installments on my hummer - it will just pay for a round of golf
how often do we look a 'gift horse in the mouth' and over complicate everything
i use the 'kiss' system - keep it simple stupid
'if its so powerful, why consider this option instead of gambling for myself'
i dont want to spend 3 hours a day in a casino (plus the commute) - would rather spend it enjoying life
why does any tipster with a proven track record offer his services when he could be playing himself? it is the smarter solution
'in regards to uniting to beat the casino'
i fully agree with you HOWEVER it cannot be given away for FREE when considering the time and family lost to the game
example: playstation game designers spend years and millions to develop a game - do they then sell it for $5 or try to recover development costs, dont we appreciate something more if we spend more for it?
if this is the 'holy grail' it would have a price tag of $millions
however in continuing the theme of 'unity against the casino' for $25 you can get a chance to own a share of the 'holy grail'
if it works, then you making money with the 'holy grail' and dont need to know 'the what, where and how of it' - just make use of the service
if it does not, then stop and tell everyone that its rubbish
lets put some money down and get this started - enough with the talk
Quote from: Madiba on June 11, 2011, 02:32:26 AM
...Would anyone be interested in this type of service? ...
No
@ bombus
thanks for your decisive answer
prove the system wrong - send me ur numbers to test - simple as that ...
will accept 6 sets of 24 numbers from you
Quote from: bombus on June 11, 2011, 04:51:32 AM
No
Lol! Had a spat my coffee out moment then!
Ok ill get you some numbers off a real wheel back in 10.
NO , I have enough of this type of "ROBBERS "
Greetings
John
Ok here you go two real wheel data the first one is fresh off the press so to speak.
37, 18, 18, 10, 8, 36, 6, 3, 1, 19, 23, 20, 34, 26,, 6, 26, 36, 29, 32, 34, 29, 15, 23, 35.....
Next set:
32, 34 35 17 19 31 23 34 9 18 22 19 14 36 7 36 33 17 22 21 0 9 20 26 2
Third set: from an RNG
30 14 33 21 20 35 33 15 14 32 4 6 7 32 23 27 11 9 36 15 33 34 16 10
All from European wheels, let's see how you do.
37 is out of place
RNG isn't roulette. That's a slot machine. Try to be serious.
Perhaps Madiba hasn't got holy grail but you are asking him a miracle with that rng session.
Kagatori, out of curiosity. If you dont mind, what happens with these numbers for next 12 spins?
First set: 0 12 4 17 27 30 5
Second set: 33 29 3 15 4 25
I can explain both bets in case good result is achieved.
Thanks in advance.
Cheers,
Carlos.
Quote from: Carpanta on June 11, 2011, 08:45:21 AM
37 is out of place
RNG isn't roulette. That's a slot machine. Try to be serious.
Perhaps Madiba hasn't got holy grail but you are asking him a miracle with that rng session.
My apologies it should have read. 3 7
As for being serious our new member stated it could work. On RNG hence me giving the RNG numbers.
Kagatori, forget Madiba. He wont come back. He's a scammer. Dont let him tease you or anybody. There is no holy grail playing that way for 12 numbers.
Please answer my last post. I believe my bet deserve an explanation. I'll give it whether next numbers prove me wrong or not.
Thanks again.
Carlos.
@ kagatori
will analyse ur numbers and post predictions later
I however do not play rng numbers (especially from online casinos as I do not believe that they are truely rng but manipulated according to your bets placed) will however give them a bash too
as for a scammer - first session at casino for FREE - you then decide whether my services are worth $25 or not
you just tell me when
@kagatori
Bet 1st set:
32,15,19,4,21,2,17,13,30,8,23,10,5,24,20,22,29,7,28,12,35,3,26,0
Bet 2nd set:
32,15,19,4,34,6,27,13,36,11,30,8,23,10,5,24,1,20,14,31,9,28,12,35,3,26,0 (too many qualified)
Bet 3rd set:
32,15,19,21,2,25,17,34,6,27,13,36,11,30,8,23,10,24,16,33,1,18,29,7
Bet these numbers for the next 12 spins, either flat betting or plus 1 on loss progression or however else you play 24 numbers
Lets see what you conclude - please post next 12 numbers and mark as W or L
Thanks
would it not be easier to win yourself without going to all this trouble.
Ok, some more actuals:
Session 1:
31
34
7
32
11
3
5
22
11
22
4
6
16
21
2
25
9
20
14
25
27
19
25
3
Session 2:
32
25
26
11
31
5
33
24
11
34
17
20
30
31
26
16
4
14
36
12
27
12
10
16
Session 3:
17
26
4
5
10
2
11
14
36
36
12
13
1
29
23
14
19
23
23
20
25
20
21
21
@ pins
im getting too old
question right back at you - why would a sports/horse racing tipster offering his services be any different to mine?
why does he not just bet himself? its because he is thinking smarter and not working harder
if his tips are rubbish, then he closes shop quickly and everyone knows that he is a waste of time - end of story
if his tips are good, his reputation increases and everyone is happy
SO WHY SHOULD ROULETTE BE ANY DIFFERENT? WHY SHOULD MY PROPOSAL BE LAUGHED OFF?
it would take only a week to rubbish my claims or start singing my praises
its probably a case of people on this forum getting burnt too many times with all the scammers around - but then how would you know when the 'holy grail' is presented since everyone is wearing blinkers
catch 22 situation
@birdhands
1st 2nd 3rd
0 1 2
1 2 3
3 4 4
7 5 5
8 8 8
11 9 9
12 10 11
13 11 12
14 12 13
17 13 15
18 14 16
20 16 17
22 18 18
23 20 19
25 21 22
26 22 24
28 23 25
29 24 27
30 28 30
32 30 31
33 31 32
34 33 34
35 35 35
36 36 36
bet for 12 spins but STOP when in profit - could be as early as spin #1
consider a progression on the 13 outstanding numbers (other bet option instead of betting 24# submitted)
:diablo:
Why should I pay for a system playing over 24/18 when i can do great with 9 numbers with the same rules as yours?
Stop when in profit and mild progression to cover former losses. Right?
Just an example
Birds' sessions:
first set: 15 4 2 17 6 13 11 8 10
second set: 24 33 20 31 22 29 28 35 26
theird set: 15 4 2 17 6 13 11 8 10
I assume Birds' numbers come from a 0 wheel with dealer.
1st set
36 W
10 L
21 L
32 W
12 W
26 W
24 L
33W
35 W
26 W
3 W
26 W
2nd set
23 W
32 L
12 W
6 L
21 W
33W
34 L
0 L
30 W
23 W
31 W
3rd set
9W
1 L
35 W
5 W
1 L
22 W
31 W
16 W
14 L
29 L
1 L
20 L
Well, with the 2nd and 3rd of these we would have to stop after the first bet to end in profit. It seems to me that if we keep testing sooner or later we'll get a set that begins with a loss and never recovers. We really need to test another 500 sets to be sure anyway.
The first set looks really good.
@ birdhands / kagatori
all 3 sets should have stopped at first bet since all 3 won first bets
but im in a good mood today so I will do the following:
send me another 4 sets of 24 numbers (all spins must come from same wheel and must be close timeframe, example, send me spins 1-24, withold next 12 spins, send me next 24 spins, withold next 12 spins, etc...)
I prefer spins that can be traced to an already uploaded file/casino posted spin so that we can confirm spins are 'true' since I am staking the 'holy grail' on them
I will select only between 5 to 7 numbers (similar to neighbours bet) and it will show within 12 spins (most likely within first 6 spins)
Unless I get a really bad run which I have never had, I should be able to convince most of the forum readers that I'm onto the 'holy grail'
Simple as that
Send me a set of both rng and live spins
Note:
I myself mostly play 5 numbers when aggresive (so many variations possible and not just 24 numbers)
I play a 5 number progression for 24 spins
I play my selection for 6 spins only
If it does not appear, I recalculate and play next set for 6 spins only, but I continue my progression from step 7.
I do this up to 24 spins
However my numbers usually come out within 6 spins.
@ carpenta
you just went bust on the 3rd set :diablo:
You are right, Madiba.
In roulette whatever can happen.
Let me elaborate a bit about this theird set.
If you put 0 on top the wheel you can convert the wheel in an EC. Half right side and half left side.
Last 12 numbers belong to same side, half left. So it would have been a joy if I were there betting every spin mate.
12 in a row. So your way you can't track ball movement. It is a handicap.
Playing neighbours after first 24 numbers, betting on 5 or 6 numbers every spin, I can predict quite accurately when one of those numbers can have a hit. In other words when a serie of 3 neighbours can grow to 4.
Playing this way i would have a hit with 33 (sixth spin betting on 6 numbers) in first set of numbers, another hit on 23 (first spin betting on 6 numbers) second set and no hits on theird set.
Cheers,
Carlos.
Here are 2 sets of 24 from the same 72 consecutive spins. It's a start.
27
2
23
0
17
1
23
4
29
27
24
24
9
12
26
26
4
14
0
30
33
27
12
30
15
1
15
19
1
11
33
26
34
9
2
8
1
28
2
18
34
8
14
28
16
23
14
14
@ carpenta
hindsight is 20-20 ;D
@birdhands
1set does not qualify
2nd set - I would bet 19, 4,21, 2, 25,17 (6 numbers for 12 spins) use mild progression for 12 steps
also would bet 14, 31, 9, 22, 18, 29 as secondary bet (can bet as 2 seperate 6 numbers or 12 numbers in total)
stop on profit
20
1
6
7
15
30
11
2 W
24
18 W
26
6
2 wins, 10 losses, -72 flat betting, god knows what with a progression. ouch.
@ birdhands
#2 and #18 both came out and would both have resulted in wins
not too sure how you got -288 and all losses
regards
Sorry I rushed through it; all fixed now. Still not so good.
:lol:
i demo a winning system - proven on several occassions via numbers submitted from forum members (without failing) and im told that it is 'still not good'. :sarcastic:
The 'holy grail' is not bet on 1 number and win at the first spin every time (not yet anyway)
well, you can take a horse to water, but cannot force it to drink
i guess winning is not for everyone and not many forum members would know a winning system if it bit them on the ...
all tests are still welcome on my system - but only for the serious players that want to WIN
contact me via email for faster responses
... the search is over ... :diablo:
i would love to give tips for 2 numbers only
anyone wanna give me spins?
Lol Albertojonas it sounds great challenge. Are you in such position? ;) predicting 2 numbers?
Wow i cant wait to see if you can back up such bold words!!!!!
Go go go Alberto.
Cheers,
Carlos.
Quote from: albertojonas on June 15, 2011, 05:52:46 PM
I would love to give tips for 2 numbers only
anyone wanna give me spins?
28
10
7
11
28
0
24
27
6
32
30
36
12
12
27
15
0
29
15
16
25
33
6
12
Are those 24 numbers enough for your purposes, Albertojonas? and Madiba if he is still around.
Single 0 wheel. B&M casino with dealer. Top number is the oldest.
It's just fun, ok?
Cheers,
Carlos.
@carpanta
these numbers DO NOT QUALIFY and I would not bet (algorithm returns 33% and I only play when it returns more than 60%, but still a strong possibility of winning so I have predicted the following 2 bets, JUST FOR FUN)
bet#1: FLAT BET 19,4,21,...24,16,33 (play these 20 consecutive numbers for 12 spins - STOP on profit)
bet #2: bet 23,8,30,11,36,13 as second bet for 12 spins - STOP on profit (use small progression)
:diablo:
Well, It goes like this:
Older is top number.
6
11
6
20
24
24
35
34
6
18
4
32
Fine Madiba. It is a pity it didnt qualify. But good for fun money.
Good educated guess chop movement would continue between both halves of the wheel.
First bet= +16 fun units
Your second set also doing very well. Nice guess after 27 6 36 11 30 10. Good central numbers, predicting to catch a repeat or neighbours among them. Fine, really.
Second bet= +24 fun units.
Congratulations.
Cheers,
Carlos.
@carpanta
thanks
:diablo: