Past vs. Future spins, Logic vs. Mathematics

[TwoCatSam]

JHM

Point well taken, but then there's that thing Matt posted about Victor's money management plan.  Matty says he started with 200 and now has 2,500.  OK, one of two things is true:

1.  Matt has been in the cold too long.
2.  It works as he says it does.

No one could be lucky that long.  I firmly believe Matt.  I admire his tenacity.  Reminds me of a guy named Lanky who quadrupled his bankroll betting single units.  Let's not forget mr. j.  Oh, and Ronjo winning the MM challenge.  And that pesky ray who wins consistently.  Mr. Chips seems to think he can win long term.  I believe him.  What about winkel?  And, last but not least, Victor.

All these people wrong?  Or just being less-than-truthful? 

I just don't think either is the case.

Sam

[JHM]

JHM

Point well taken, but then there's that thing Matt posted about Victor's money management plan.  Matty says he started with 200 and now has 2,500.  OK, one of two things is true:

1.  Matt has been in the cold too long.
2.  It works as he says it does.

No one could be lucky that long.  I firmly believe Matt.  I admire his tenacity.  Reminds me of a guy named Lanky who quadrupled his bankroll betting single units.  Let's not forget mr. j.  Oh, and Ronjo winning the MM challenge.  And that pesky ray who wins consistently.  Mr. Chips seems to think he can win long term.  I believe him.  What about winkel?  And, last but not least, Victor.

All these people wrong?  Or just being less-than-truthful? 

I just don't think either is the case.

Sam

Sam my friend, I hope you're right.

Maybe it is true, the table can be beaten. If 99.5 (maybe more) of people on the table's play for fun, and that's where the casino makes the profit. And the other 0.5% are players like you ment above.

I'm still here because I feel the same abouth your writing. I would love to become part of that 0.5%.

But we should always keep in mind that maybe individual we can beat the casino. But the casino beats the ''group'' (all roulette players).

Jur

[TwoCatSam]

J

Your last sentence is the one that counts.  In horse racing it is said that 20% of the players win 80% of the money.  That means the remaining 80%  of the players split the 20% that's left over.  In other words, 80% get a "little" of their money back.

When you win at a casino, you're winning some loser's money; no other way to look at it.  The only way the casino gets the money is if someone loses it.

Sam

[Spike]

I usually DREAD or APPLAUD dealer change.>>>

Thats why I switched from roulette to bac. The new dealer in bac is dealing from the same shoe, no change in the game. I also like bac because I can see the entire shoe on the tote board, instead of just a few numbers. I can sit down and know exactly where I am.

[Talesman]

Spike are the marquees at your casino the same as generally found in Vegas?

I did not realize that the entire shoe would fit on those tiny things.

For the rest of the folks who only see the math of the game let me tell you that for your session your fate is completely in the dealer's hands.  Maybe over the course of a week, playing 3 shifts a day and playing two separate crews the wheel will be close to what the math says it should be.  But not until then or maybe later.

[Spike]

The outcomes for bac a posted from left to right on the tote board. If there are 5 bankers, they show up vertically, then if its player, it appears next in line. Like this:

X O X
X    X
X    X
X
X

and so on across the board. It takes up very little space and the marquee is quite small.

[Talesman]

So what am I seeing whan I see:


0
xxx
0
x



I do know that the wierd looking white character denotes a "natural."

But those boards have terrible visual graphics.  Maybe I'll design a new one.  I'll wait until after this G2E in Nov. so I can see what is or will be in the marketplace.

 

[JHM]

Spike are the marquees at your casino the same as generally found in Vegas?

I did not realize that the entire shoe would fit on those tiny things.

For the rest of the folks who only see the math of the game let me tell you that for your session your fate is completely in the dealer's hands.  Maybe over the course of a week, playing 3 shifts a day and playing two separate crews the wheel will be close to what the math says it should be.  But not until then or maybe later.

How do you mean in the Dealers hands Talesman? That the dealer can aim for a certain part of the wheel?

[Talesman]

JHM the best I can do is say this:

All the wheels in my casino are new and crafted with the utmost precision available known to man or the industry - state of the art.

The actual tables, the print on the layout are all the same for each instance of roulette within my casino. All were provided, installed and leveled by the same manufacturer using the same crew.

Table number one, had I been playing, would have given me an easy and sure win with a hefty profit.

Table number two, had I been playing, would have been a serious grind just to stay even.

Table number three, had I been playing, would have cleaned me out in a 1-2-3 fashion.

What is the ONLY difference between those three tables at that moment in time?

Obviously it is the dealer.   The dealer is the only single variance between the three.

Make of it what you will.  I have lots of table time in multiple dozens of casinos world-wide under my belt and I have seen and experienced a lot.  I know what I know and what I know isn't conjecture on my part.

There was a time I was seriously thinking of wooing a dealer in Biloxi, MS as a "partner in crime" because of her excellent shooting skills. Sadly hurricane Katrina came along and I have yet to find the lady again.  That is now academic anyway as the wheel she spun for over 14 years was washed into the Gulf of Mexico.  I have no idea if she could possibly replicate those skills on any other wheel, especially the new low-profile ones that seem to be the current rage.

[JHM]

JHM the best I can do is say this:

All the wheels in my casino are new and crafted with the utmost precision available known to man or the industry - state of the art.

The actual tables, the print on the layout are all the same for each instance of roulette within my casino. All were provided, installed and leveled by the same manufacturer using the same crew.

Table number one, had I been playing, would have given me an easy and sure win with a hefty profit.

Table number two, had I been playing, would have been a serious grind just to stay even.

Table number three, had I been playing, would have cleaned me out in a 1-2-3 fashion.

What is the ONLY difference between those three tables at that moment in time?

Obviously it is the dealer.   The dealer is the only single variance between the three.

Make of it what you will.  I have lots of table time in multiple dozens of casinos world-wide under my belt and I have seen and experienced a lot.  I know what I know and what I know isn't conjecture on my part.

There was a time I was seriously thinking of wooing a dealer in Biloxi, MS as a "partner in crime" because of her excellent shooting skills. Sadly hurricane Katrina came along and I have yet to find the lady again.  That is now academic anyway as the wheel she spun for over 14 years was washed into the Gulf of Mexico.  I have no idea if she could possibly replicate those skills on any other wheel, especially the new low-profile ones that seem to be the current rage.

That would mean you would always win on every table with that dealer. Oke, this is a interesting part of for discussion.

New topic opened.

[MattyMattz]

JHM

Point well taken, but then there's that thing Matt posted about Victor's money management plan.  Matty says he started with 200 and now has 2,500.  OK, one of two things is true:

1.  Matt has been in the cold too long.
2.  It works as he says it does.

No one could be lucky that long.  I firmly believe Matt.  I admire his tenacity.  Reminds me of a guy named Lanky who quadrupled his bankroll betting single units.  Let's not forget mr. j.  Oh, and Ronjo winning the MM challenge.  And that pesky ray who wins consistently.  Mr. Chips seems to think he can win long term.  I believe him.  What about winkel?  And, last but not least, Victor.

All these people wrong?  Or just being less-than-truthful? 

I just don't think either is the case.

Sam

Hey Samster,
thanks for the props.  I've recently started a brand new "live test" in hopes to duplicate my last efforts.  This time I started with a 200$ Main BR $ 100$ 2nd BR (so 300$ to start).  Rules are slightly different but I'm still playing 5 lines.  I'm implementing a stop loss as well as I will be playing almost continously (no breaks between spins...just after a loss).  I was thinking of screen capturing the end of each session, but really what will that prove (as Gamlet proved awhile ago, there are always doubters).  I'm keeping track of each session and can post in a new thread if there's interest. 

Anyways - sry for the sidetrack.

Matt

[TwoCatSam]

Matty

I am very interested in your study.  That part about playing continuously....I'll be watching that.

Sam

[pins]

all spins are connected. take a thousand roulette wheels. 10,000 spins on each all numbers will play
nearly the same. maybe its a law.

[pins]

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