Real vs. Live Online, Dealer can aim (how accurate)?

[MattyMattz]

Spike

All well and good, but you failed to answer my question in red.

I can hear him now:  "Well here's how I was able to test my system without ever looking at the numbers.  I had my wife call them out to me!"  Oh, yeah, in this lifetime!!

So, how DID he do that test and THEN open the file and see the "---"?

Sam

Sry for the late reply (I've been busy at work and haven't been reading all the threads) but I thought I'd offer my 2 cents.  Firstly though I want to say that the 2 of you (Talesman and TCS) are 2 of my favorite posters.  And not just because of your years of experience, but cause your both frickin' hilarious (mostly by pointing out the obvious). 

Now I don't want to answer from Talesman, but it's possible that he downloaded the spins into RX and tested them, then, after noticing the 'pattern' checked the actual file and saw the '---'.  Just a possibilty. 

Matt

[Talesman]

Very well, then.......

I am issuing you a public challenge!  You have stated you can tell when a dealer change takes place.  You may not have said it those exact words, but we all know you've said it. 

This kid is asking you to prove it.

Why not?  What have you got to lose?

There are a few million spins out there with those little lines under them.  Let's pull down a few and see how good you are.

You say you don't have anything to prove.  Excuse me, but you do!  You have talked your talk now let's see you walk your walk.

People can come on these forums and blow like hurricane Ike about what they can do, but, boy, just ask them to prove it and what do they always say:  I don't have anything to prove.  Yes, but you do!!

I publicly call your credibility into question.  Here for this forum and whomever reads it to see.

I don't think you can do it!!

Is there one other person reading this who would like to see the man do what he says he can do.  If not, what are we here for? 


Sam

Evidently you do have a reading comprehension problem.

I stated I noticed a pattern to my wins and losses within Hamburg files.

Only then did I actually open them up on-screen (used notepad) and compare the winning and losing sections to the dealers.

My observation was that one particular dealer was giving me winning spin after winning spin and did so on a very consistant basis.

It took me a long time to manually work through a month's worth of Hamburg Table 1 to correlate that data.  I did that for my satisfaction only. 

With that in mind I'll have to decline whatever offer or challenge you present as I gain nothing from it.  But, I will be happy to do so for pay.  My standard shop rates are $85 an hour.  Since this will be during down time and done when I feel like it, I'll lower that to $50 an hour.  I estimate about 2 hours work per table file.  We generally get a 50% deposit. If that's acceptable, I'll open a PayPal account.

[Talesman]

About 2 years ago I was testing plans against Hamburg actuals. 

It was win, lose, lose, win.  I noticed a pattern.  After finishing I opened the file.  I am thankful  for the "---" that denoted dealer change.

After testing a month's worth I found one dealer who allowed me to win constantly.  (That is an assumption on my part that each time there was dealer change in the file and the number sets that appeared in my favor were all from the same person. Also, it appeared to me that whoever that was usually had a 4-day work week.)  Problem was the dealers generally only did 12-20 spins then take a break. I was almost tempted to fly there and find out who was on the table at points X and X and X during the one month...and wait until that person came one and play with all the $$$ I had.

That's all I have to offer currently about sight-unseen dealers.

From the above:

It was win, lose, lose, win.  I noticed a pattern.  After finishing I opened the file.  I am thankful  for the "---" that denoted dealer change.

Let's not parse words:  In the above you are clearly saying that you noticed a pattern and that the "----" confirmed your suspicions of dealer change.

First, if you were using a permanence, how did you see the numbers without opening the file in the first place? 

Would any one of you explain to me in plain English how this man saw the numbers to know he had a win/lose pattern if he was not looking at the numbers?  Would one of you explain to me how he looked at the numbers and did not see the "---"?  Anyone?  Am I missing something here?



So, Mr. Curmudgeon, you saw a pattern, opened the file for the first time and saw that the "---" confirmed your suspicion.  Right?

Why won't you repeat it?  What have you got to fear?

Sam

As to "First, if you were using a permanence, how did you see the numbers without opening the file in the first place?" 

I do not know how you test/play actuals but I have been using RX exclusively for years. 

RX allowed a direct import of Hamburg and that's what I usually did if I wanted to test single-0 data.

It came to me sight-unseen and all I had to do was select the day from a pull-down menu from within RX.

Did you follow that?  Was that easy to comprehend?

[Talesman]

Now here's a bloke who knows about muscle memory and the rest of us don't and must "look that up".   

Your twittering ignorance is becoming annoying right about now.

I said "look it up" as there are volumes written on that subject as it applies to sports and gambling and written by experts in the field who can talk about it in far more clarity than I as well as present provable data. 

If anyone was interested on that topic they could do their own research.  For me to just repeat those tomes would fill volumes here as well.  That would be redundant.

[Talesman]

hello talesman,

i have always wondered about this dealer signature business.. im sorry im not that knowledgable about roulette, but basic common sense has told me that it couldnt be true..but always was scared to ask, lest I seem stupid  

i have a request for u my brother.. can I really see u do what u say seems possible ?? it may change my entire view about the game ..and let me clarify that its nowhere close to a challenge..and its coincidental that I am asking for this.. I come in humility wanting to learn about the game..

if possible even for a short run of spins, could u articulate or demonstrate what u strongly believe in ?

dealer signature is one of the most controversial subjects of roulette.. since you are knowledgable pls help out.. I really do want to see this in action..

i do not mean to offend, but I disbelieve, and I WANT that you prove me wrong ..it would open more windows about the game.. and give us more ways to beat it

thanks
anand

I was not actually discussing dealer's signature.  Nope, not at all.  That would be an entirely different subject.

There is a fairly new book on it that was published and now in the marketplace which I am lead to believe is quite comprehensive and very authoritative. From my reading it has gotten some great reviews from some of the USA's nationally published gaming writers. That has started an on-going debate in some of the gaming community circles.

Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't.  I am not getting into that deabte because that is far from my realm of expertise.  But I guess it beats trying to find non-existent biased wheels and a whole lot easier than wheel-clocking. 

[Talesman]

Now I don't want to answer from Talesman, but it's possible that he downloaded the spins into RX and tested them, then, after noticing the 'pattern' checked the actual file and saw the '---'.  Just a possibilty. 

Matt

Matt, you got that right just off the top of your head.

That's precisely how it worked.  You must have a copy of RX!

[Talesman]

Remember when I mentiond physics, skill, pride in craft and that "nonsense?"

Check this out.  Sums it up nicely.

But, hey, it HIS table!!!  Just don't play against him.

nolinks://nolinks.youtube.com/watch?v=BnHsqtWiDOU

[Spike]

I was not actually discussing dealer's signature.  Nope, not at all.<<<

Its so simple I don't understand why anybody has a hard time understanding it. If you just scatter chips around the board, you will never notice or care about a dealer change. If, however, you are playing a specific system and are doing well at it and the new dealer stops you winning like somebody threw a switch, then you start to notice and care about the dealer changes. No dealer is going to take up where the last one left off, its as simple as that.

[Talesman]

Spike, well said.

Now how in the hell did that graphic get in my post? 

I only placed a link there!  Weird!

[JHM]

Spike, well said.

Now how in the hell did that graphic get in my post? 

I only placed a link there!  Weird!

Strange things happen Talesman. 20 black's in a row   

[Wildcard]

Come on Talesman, you can´t really be serious here !!

There´s no possible comparision between roulette and a pool table. This is a joke right ?

The pool table isn´t spinning, his white ball isn´t spinning at the opposite direction, there are no deflections, no uncertain bounces, there´s nothing to do with roulette.

He is a skilled POOL player, yes, sure. So what does that prove ?

 

[Talesman]

Sorry it is not all that obvious to you.  Thought it would be.  My bad. 

You guys say, in essence, the skills don't exist.

All I am saying is that one individual took the time to do what he did.  Most pool players couldn't master 1/2 of what was depicted in a lifetime of trying. Then again, how many actually try?  And of those who do, how many succeed?  Ditto for dealers.  There always have been and probably always will be a dealer here and there that can make the wheel dance to his tune.  And like the pool video, it is all physics. 

NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE IF YOU TRY!!!!

20 Blacks?  Try 22 blacks (possibly 23 there was an argument on that) by one dealer.  She was relieved and then 11 consecutive reds right from the starting gate when the new dealer came on.  President Casino Biloxi, MS on an October Sunday afternoon about 4:30 p.m. to about 5:20 p.m.

And none of that was was anything more than an event as far as I am concerned although the first dealer, who spun black, was one of the best I have ever run into - skill-wise.  Pure coincidence .... well maybe, except for the one time I asked for the 2/0/00 basket and got it.  Other than that it was just routine.  I loved that gal.

[Wildcard]

@ Talesman >> Are you implying that this lady dealer was so skilled that she would aim for black ?

That would be ludicrous and surely an obvious insult to anyone´s intelligence, so you go on to say  " Pure coincidence .... well maybe, except for the one time I asked for the 2/0/00 basket and got it.  Other than that it was just routine. "

Which is it ? Skills or coincidence on the black numbers ? Let´s assume coincidence for now.

"except for the one time" >>> one time... one time !!!  Was it skill ?  Or coincidence, maybe... 

Gamblers remember the happy times better. How many times would she fail if you kept asking for the same oucome ?

" Other than that it was just routine. " .... Other than that or also that ?

[Talesman]

I thought it was pretty obvious that I thought nothing of the continuous blacks as streaks do happen. I got there after about 8 or so had transpired.  I did say to her that I really could use a hit on that basket (which I had nickel on) and I dropped one white chips on it as a dealer incentive plus a white dealer bet on the 0/00 split.  I had other bets but that would have paid me the most.

It was nice that we both made a few bucks when the 2 hit.  If she had hit the zero, she would have won both bets.

I can't begin to tell you how many folks ran over and bet over my shoulder on red and got whooped'.  That was a hoot!!  Between them all probably close to $1500 was lost on the attempt.  There was a lot of "money plays" being called out by the dealer.

All-in-all a strange day.  Her relief dealer, a cute-as-a-button Asian gal who was all of maybe 5' tall, then hit 11 consecutive reds.  What are the odds?  22-23 blacks followed by 11 reds...just when you thought you had seen it all.

[Talesman]

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