Everyone has their own timeline. Playing the game changes the game.

[Herb]

Like it or not, we all have our own timeline when we play roulette.  Playing the game, changes the game.

Most of us have seen our numbers hit when we step away from the table or when we're watching others play.

What most people don't realize is that your participation in the game, changes the outcome of the game.

For example:

Let's say you're playing the number 20 and step away from the table to use the restroom.   When you come back to the table you see the number 20 hit, while you were away!

You can't believe it, your heart sinks!
You blame yourself and think, "If I wouldn't have left, then I would have won!"

STOP! Not so fast!  Think again.

Had you remained at the table to place your bet, the dealer might have taken a little bit longer to spin the ball because you required time to place your bets.  You also may have delayed someone else from placing their bets.  During this period, the wheel may have slowed more than would have because of the additional time that was required for everyone to place their bets.  You may have also caused the dealer to do the opposite and speed the wheel back up. Sometimes, certain dealers will spin the wheel faster when there are more players, verses a table that has only one.  At each moment in time, you're affecting how many events will unfold.

When you play the table your presence can affect many different things. This Includes other people and their actions.  All of these factors influence the final outcome.  So the next time you walk up to the wheel and see that your numbers have hit while you were away, relax!  Had you played a different group of numbers would have likely hit.

-Herb

[VLSroulette]

Excellent article herb, roulette & gambling framework material for sure.

... "Personal actuals" some like to name it. Your post bring more the understanding this phenomenon. Thumbs up!

[ChickenDinner]

"Playing the game, changes the game."

Thanks for a nice post. Such a concept has deeper (philosophical) implications that go way beyond roulette. 

It made me think of the film It's a Wonderful Life!

[Spike]

>>Had you remained at the table to place your bet, the dealer might have taken a little bit longer to spin the ball because you required time to place your bets.>>

Yes, everything effects random. But this information is useless because you have no idea what to leave out or what to put in to effect the outcome in your favor. Your number had just as much chance of coming up if you went to the restroom or not. But understanding random is 90% of beating random, so the discussion is not wasted.

[gizmotron]

Like it or not, we all have our own timeline when we play roulette.  Playing the game, changes the game.

It kind of depends on if you had planned to make your goal in one play, like a progression player. What if you were to deliberately play for hours with the full knowledge that a win swarm, you hoped would happen, actually takes place in part of the stretch. Does playing roulette change the nature of randomness, as it relates to what you are waiting for in a stretch of play only? What stops a sought after stretch from not appearing. Can an other player going to the bathroom, for two spins, change what you have planned?

I agree with Herb, I suppose I would need to be Stephen Hawking to get that edge from it though.

[Spike]

Does playing roulette change the nature of randomness>>

Everything going on at the table influences the outcome.  Isn't randomness just different forces interacting at the same time to produce a common result?

[The Spiders Kiss]

Hi Herb,
Nice post.Hadnt thought about that before!.Thanks
TSK

[Boo_Ray]

Nice post herb 
What do you think about airball roulettes, does your play have any effect on outcome?

cheers

[winkel]

It is the old Quantum-Theory, so it is nothing new.

But until now herb argued, that randomness is uneffected by anything!

So: Is it, or is it not effected?

and

and: Why are all the rules of statistics fulfilled, when it is effected?

and:

can one person simply make a number not appear by betting it?

[Herb]

I believe that simply observing the outcome also changes the outcome.  All possible outcomes exist until one is observed. Even though this is roulette, quantum effects are in action.

[winkel]

I believe that simply observing the outcome also changes the outcome. 

But why should it change to the numbers I don´t bet only?

[Herb]

But until now herb argued, that randomness is uneffected by anything!

Randomness is affected by the observer.

Why are all the rules of statistics fulfilled, when it is effected?

In the random game of roulette, the probability of the event remains the same.  For example:  The odds of a number hitting in the random game remains 1 in 37, whether you play it or not.

However, there are exceptions as they pertain to a wheel with physical defects.  Your presence can affect how fast or how slow the wheel is spun. This change in wheel speed can directly effect which numbers a physical defect will cause to hit.  Therefore, in this example you can argue that the probability of certain numbers hitting has changed.

-Herb

[Herb]

But why should it change to the numbers I don´t bet only?

Why would it change to the numbers that you do or don't bet?  What I'm saying is that we affect the game in general. 

[JHM]

Not to forget, others playing the game changes your game

[Herb]

Good point JHM.

In the random game of roulette, the probability of an event occurring hasn't changed.  The odds of a number hitting remains 1 in 37.  However, the numbers that hit may change.

For example:  Two players go to the casino.  Four different events can taken place.

Player one plays, and the following numbers hit: 1,2,3,6,8.

Player two plays instead, and the following numbers hit. 2,4,34,22,3

Both players play at the same time, and the following numbers hit. 6,25,24,23,11

Player two's wife shows up, and the whole thing goes to hell because she takes the money both players won and sends them both home.

-Herb

[Herb]

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