Hello Guys,
This will be my 1st testing contribution to this forum,no details of how it will be played.I do not wanna post nonsense here and become a public enemy.More details will be released if it doesnt tank in long term,if it tanks then all of you forget about it,it won't work.I will take screen shots and post up
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Ok buy in S$5000.00
$5 per unit
Best of luck, jerek. Even if you don't need it. Happy to see someone use money.
Sam
nice player nickname :)
Good luck with this Jerek[smiley=3D-Smil-gros/36_2_50.gif]
Good luck. Keep us posted.
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Sorry guys there was some problem with that account,they gave me a new one,same story
Buy in $5000.00
Unit size $5 per unit
Thanks guys for your well wishes,in terms of skills and knowledge I guess I am nowhere near anyone of you but I am trying for the sake of our community here.Just doing a bit of my part
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Session 1
Start Bankroll $5000.00
End Bankroll $5639.00
Profit +$639.00
Well done Jerek, keep it going mate......
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Session 2 RNG
Starting BR $5639
End BR $5796
Profit +157
Running total +796
Quote from: MXkid77 on December 01, 2008, 06:38:16 PM
Well done Jerek, keep it going mate......
Thank you mate for your encouragement,I hope it will go up and up all the way,I just wanted to do my part for the boys here.
I enjoy hammering the casinos but when they hit back they go hard on you as well
Quote from: TwoCatSam on December 01, 2008, 08:01:14 AM
Best of luck, jerek. Even if you don't need it. Happy to see someone use money.
Sam
Sam I need money who says I don't need it lol.Everyone needs money and it makes the world goes round.I like playing real money but I don't considered myself a high roller just average.I mentioned before that if I wanna play roulette it must be worth my time,I don't want to play for 3 or 4 hours and win $10.I might as well put $10 on my head and jerk off,more thrill and excitement isn't it sam? ;D
jerek
I understand. I meant it was good to see someone actually bet real money rather than play money.
Sam
Hi Jerek,
You're testing it also on RNG?
Hope it hangs on in both live & RNG, just keep on going !
Rjl
Did I miss the RNG part? Don't remember that.
Looking at the last image, it looks like RNG. I don't know this casino, if I'm wrong, let me know.
Rjl
NICE ONE JEREK MATE ;D
rjl
Unless I miss my guess that is the Playtech wheel. Looks exactly like the one I used to play at Bet365.
Not an RNG.
Sam
if i know jerek anything like i think i do thats a live playtech wheel and thats real money hes using, but im suprised its not bet365 hes playing at, maybe its because of the different table limits
Quote from: rjl on December 01, 2008, 08:37:17 PM
Hi Jerek,
You're testing it also on RNG?
Hope it hangs on in both live & RNG, just keep on going !
Rjl
Mate,
You can play it on RNG as well but not too much.I still think RNG is rigged so you got to get out as soon as you are up.
Quote from: ryan08 on December 02, 2008, 12:45:27 AM
if I know jerek anything like I think I do thats a live playtech wheel and thats real money hes using, but im suprised its not bet365 hes playing at, maybe its because of the different table limits
Yes ryan,its not bet365 but its playtech all right.It's actually Singapore's bet365 very popular in Asia.
Quote from: rjl on December 01, 2008, 09:26:10 PM
Looking at the last image, it looks like RNG. I don't know this casino, if I'm wrong, let me know.
Rjl
Hello mate,
its playtech RNG and live wheel.IBC casino
Quote from: TwoCatSam on December 01, 2008, 11:04:31 PM
rjl
Unless I miss my guess that is the Playtech wheel. Looks exactly like the one I used to play at Bet365.
Not an RNG.
Sam
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This one's for you sam
Session 3 Playtech RNG
Start BR $5796
End BR $5891
Profit +$95
Running total +$891
Did not see that one. I only saw the one in post 1. Still looks real to me.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on December 02, 2008, 05:29:20 AM
Did not see that one. I only saw the one in post 1. Still looks real to me.
Sam
Hi Sam,
I guess you are still suffering from coffee carving.How's things?Are you well as in your health?
My next session will be live wheel,I really love RNG to be real honest but a bit paraniod about hearing myths like its rigged,it eats money bla bla bla....Herb told me its fair play,its not rigged but you will never crack it.I believe him as he explain to me on how it works last night.But I still got some butterfiles in my stomach.Its fast alright,the last session only took me 5 minutes lol.If on a live wheel at least half an hour.
You are an RNG lover as well ain't you?Regarding RNG its just too many schools of thought.Personally,I think its pure randomness minus the human aspect,the randomness in RNG is the purest form compare to mechanical.
Congrats on the results so far Jerek. How many spins so far and what size units (roughly) may I ask?
jerek
Thanks for asking. I am about through the withdrawals from my caffeine addiction. Leaves a taste in your mouth like---YUK! Wife says I have horse fart breath.
This is my first prolonged test on an RNG. I fiddled around with one and won $300 and withdrew it. I have gone from $200 to $800. I am thinking this thing is fair. I started with ones and went to fives with no funny business.
If I can hit $1000 bankroll, I'll start betting ten-spots and see if I can get that darn hardwood floor bought for the wife. Amazing how they will love for you to gamble when you're winning and giving them the money! All she says is BET BIGGER MONEY!
Sa,
Quote from: roules on December 02, 2008, 06:03:23 AM
Congrats on the results so far Jerek. How many spins so far and what size units (roughly) may I ask?
I dont play lots of spins on live wheel maybe min 1 to max 2 hours.$5 per unit
Nice results so far Jerek, Keep it up![smiley=3D-petit-att/36_1_11.gif]
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Session 4 Playtech RNG
Start BR $5891
End BR $6116
Profit +$225
Running total +$1116
Thank you guys for all the support! ;)
Hope to do more in the next few days
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Session 5 Playtech RNG
Start BR $6116
End BR $6957
Profit +$841
Running total +1957
Gees...Luck is really on my side I went down back to $5000 at the lowest point
Well done mate,
just for interest sake, are you using a progression with this system???
Quote from: MXkid77 on December 03, 2008, 10:35:57 AM
Well done mate,
just for interest sake, are you using a progression with this system???
Hello Dean,
Thank you for your well wishes,I do hope I can hammer the casinos with this constantly.Yes the system has a positive progression
jerek
Are we ever to know this "Voodoo" system or are we to salivate as we watch you win thousands?
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on December 03, 2008, 03:26:44 PM
jerek
Are we ever to know this "Voodoo" system or are we to salivate as we watch you win thousands?
Sam
Hello Sam,
Not just yet,let's see how it goes.If it tanks no point explaining,people will come after me and to be honest the progressions do get quite steep,not for the faint hearted and luck is on my side these few days I got to admit it.
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Session 6 Playtech live wheel
Start BR $6957
End BR $7254
Profit +297
Running total +2254
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Session 7 Playtech RNG
Start BR $7254
End BR $7443
Profit +$189
Running total +$2443
Jerek,
Its looking very impressive so far (whatever IT is :) )
Continuous good luck to you
TSK
Way to go Jerek 8)
You are really giving them some stick. Keep it up mate and remember to take some rests between playing to calm the nerves. It sounds like this is going to be a good one.
regards
enrique
Quote from: enrique malou on December 03, 2008, 07:36:35 PM
Way to go Jerek 8)
You are really giving them some stick. Keep it up mate and remember to take some rests between playing to calm the nerves. It sounds like this is going to be a good one.
regards
enrique
Hello Enrique,
Thanks for your kind words.Seems that you haven't been here for a while.We miss you.
Quote from: the_spiders_kiss on December 03, 2008, 06:59:43 PM
Jerek,
Its looking very impressive so far (whatever IT is :) )
Continuous good luck to you
TSK
Hello Spider kiss,
Thank you for your well wishes,I am going to continue to bull doze them if I can.
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Session 8 Playtech RNG
Start BR $7254
End BR $6581
Loss -$943
Running total +$1581
You cant prevent a loss,it will come let's see if I can fight back
Quote from: enrique malou on December 03, 2008, 07:36:35 PM
Way to go Jerek 8)
You are really giving them some stick. Keep it up mate and remember to take some rests between playing to calm the nerves. It sounds like this is going to be a good one.
regards
enrique
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this one's for you godfather,a hard fought one
Session 9 Playtech RNG
Start BR $6581
End BR $7529
Profit +$948
Running total +$2529
Hmm I don't know why but the drawdowns can be very bad for RNG,I was never in danger when on the live wheel
THIS ALL lOOKS grand but will the system ever be sold or put on the forum.Colin
Quote from: colin on December 04, 2008, 07:24:53 AM
THIS ALL lOOKS grand but will the system ever be sold or put on the forum.Colin
Hello Colin,
thank you for your compliments,it was never intented for anything,its just pilot testing for now.
Now colin ask yourself if you would play or buy a system that fails,I had 1 losing session,this is no holy grail thats all I can say for now.
I did say that if it goes well I may release more details of it but that is also subject to the approval of the kind soul that taught me.I didn't invent this,its someone who plays for a living for more then 10 years and this is one of the systems he is using.
Mate that's really impressive playing an RNG. I think the proof is in the pudding (about the fairness concerns) when you say RNGs can be tougher than live wheel. But like you say is also quicker.
How do you get a (big) drawdown with a positive progression though? And at what point will you determine that's it's worth playing?
Keep winning!
Roules
Quote from: roules on December 04, 2008, 08:00:13 AM
Mate that's really impressive playing an RNG. I think the proof is in the pudding (about the fairness concerns) when you say RNGs can be tougher than live wheel. But like you say is also quicker.
How do you get a (big) drawdown with a positive progression though? And at what point will you determine that's it's worth playing?
Keep winning!
Roules
Hey Roules,
Thank you for your compliments.Let's use LW tracking on Ecs as an example wwLwwLLwLLwLLLLLLLwLLLL.You hit that series of LLLLs it sinks you,it puts your bankroll down way down.There is no point for me when it comes to playing,I stop on a win if the losses are big I play for break even.These waves of L only happen on RNG,hardly seen on live wheel
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Session 10 Playtech live wheel
Start BR $7529
End BR $7764
Profit +$235
Running total +2764
Nice work Jerek, keep it up[smiley=thumbsup.gif]
Hi Jerek,
I'm enjoying this thread, wishing that you can climb with your profits and crush the casinos.
In the other hand, if after tests, we see it's a winner, and no information about how it works is released, I think you know how disappointing that can be.
So I would suggest that, if possible, ask your friend that taught you this system, if he approves that you reveal it, if he says that he would prefer no to reveal, then let us know as soon as possible.
Even you don't reveal it, whish you can crush the casinos!!
Cheers,
Rjl
Quote from: Worm on December 04, 2008, 05:45:08 PM
Nice work Jerek, keep it up[smiley=thumbsup.gif]
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Thank you for your encouragement mate,this one's for you
Session 11 Playtech RNG
Start BR $7764
End BR $7885
Profit +$121
Running total +$2885
Those there have faith in me thank you very much for your kind support,I will hit them hard and give them a good beating for as long as I can. ;)
Quote from: rjl on December 04, 2008, 05:55:39 PM
Hi Jerek,
I'm enjoying this thread, wishing that you can climb with your profits and crush the casinos.
In the other hand, if after tests, we see it's a winner, and no information about how it works is released, I think you know how disappointing that can be.
So I would suggest that, if possible, ask your friend that taught you this system, if he approves that you reveal it, if he says that he would prefer no to reveal, then let us know as soon as possible.
Even you don't reveal it, whish you can crush the casinos!!
Cheers,
Rjl
Hello Rjl,
This is still beginning stage and I am having a good run,crushing a casino is too tough a word to use mate,when they hit us back,they will hit us hard as well.My target is to make it to 100 sessions,I intent to really,provided it can hold up.However,I did suffer a losing session and I did mention that the drawbacks can be scary,not for the fainted heart,my rock bottom was at $4000 to be honest with you and the truth is this is no holy grail.When it tanks,it will surely hurt.
I am not even surprised that I will lose everything next week
will you lock in some profits? [smiley=2/king.gif]
(sorry about the smilies i cant get enough)
Quote from: Worm on December 04, 2008, 06:22:26 PM
will you lock in some profits? [smiley=2/king.gif]
(sorry about the smilies I cant get enough)
Hi Worm,
I will withdrawal profits if any by the end of the week and maybe start with a bigger BR if you ask me
Quote from: see_jerek on December 04, 2008, 07:03:44 PM
Quote from: Worm on December 04, 2008, 06:22:26 PM
will you lock in some profits? [smiley=2/king.gif]
(sorry about the smilies I cant get enough)
Hi Worm,
I will withdrawal profits if any by the end of the week and maybe start with a bigger BR if you ask me
Sound thinking Jerek
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Session 12 Playtech RNG
Start BR $7885
End BR $8206
Profit +$321
Total running +$3206
Well done bud, keep it going.... ;D
Thanks for the answer - it was kind of obvious now I think about it.
Now
Let's see:
Average $150 per session x 100 sessions = $15000! :o
Man! We gotta wait 88 more?? :P
SD=Singapore dollars?
Quote from: roules on December 05, 2008, 07:35:27 AM
Thanks for the answer - it was kind of obvious now I think about it.
Now
Let's see:
Average $150 per session x 100 sessions = $15000! :o
Man! We gotta wait 88 more?? :P
SD=Singapore dollars?
Hello Roules,
Yes you are right Singapore Dollars my local currency,its not as much compare to Euro,USD or Pounds.
Gods knows where this will crash mate,so you might not have to wait so long.its always like this every system starts out well but when it tanks,it hurts and you start looking for a new system.
100 sessions,if I can play and play to stay afloat to reach it why not?
Mods,I think this is more like a personal challenge now,can anyone help to shift this to the challenge section.It seems more suitable there isn't it?
Quote from: MXkid77 on December 05, 2008, 07:35:05 AM
Well done bud, keep it going.... ;D
Thanks Dean,it really warms my heart that many guys are behind me.Really appreciate it guys!
The casinos are the big guys,these small amounts of money are nothing to them,but to me its 1 month's salary.I gonna be a leech and suck their blood bit by bit at a time hopefully for as long as I can.
Again I would like to stress this is no holy grail,I suffered big drawbacks from time to time I could be down by 1k or something if I hit a losing streak.You BR need to be 1000 times of your basic bet which is $5 for me. However drawbacks are very common with RNG,I was never in danger at all on a live wheel.Trouble with live wheel is that it is too slow an earner.
Guys,those that knew my personally know that my ultimate goal in roulette is to play professionally.It really feels good to win again and again constantly.I ain't playing like a pro but gees I guess playing as a professional you get to win constantly as well,this feeling is good and it motivates me to work harder towards my ultimate goal of becoming a professional player.
I have to be real honest with your guys,my country has no land casino but one coming up in 2009 by sands group.When I talk to my mates about playing/gambling as a professional,everyone laughed and jeered at me.I was often the subject of jokes and has been a clown always.I don't blame them after all we are friends and guys remember I am Chinese,gambling is a vice and taboo in our culture.VLS is the only place I get to interact with like minded people,I really feel like home here and I have learn a great deal here as well
well playing like pro doesnt means that you have to win constantly and every time.. it is just when you lose you don't have to lose big.. you have to lose small that is the name of the game :)
because constantly can mean that you win 9 games out of 10 but what does that 1loss mean... It can mean that you lost 3times more that you earned and you were winning constantly.. or maybe you lost 5 times out of 10 and you lost only 10% of your earnings or 20% or 50% whatever just to be still in profit..
jerek now you are up a few thousand start withdrawing 50% every session, then if it does tank your still going to have some money from it
Quote from: Boo_Ray on December 05, 2008, 09:58:32 AM
well playing like pro doesnt means that you have to win constantly and every time.. it is just when you lose you don't have to lose big.. you have to lose small that is the name of the game :)
because constantly can mean that you win 9 games out of 10 but what does that 1loss mean... It can mean that you lost 3times more that you earned and you were winning constantly.. or maybe you lost 5 times out of 10 and you lost only 10% of your earnings or 20% or 50% whatever just to be still in profit..
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Hello Max,
Your advice is sound and I will take it as a serious consideration on my journey to be professional,this is is for you max.
Session 13 Playtech live wheel
Start BR $8206
End BR $8323
Profit +$117
Running total +3323
you are doing great now :)
Nice pictures, just keep on!!
You've said that you're using a progression, does this works also with flat bet? even low profit?
Cheers,
Rjl
Jerek
Looking very good.
I agree also that some removal to maintain profit may be a good idea .
A very interesting thread.
Thank you
TSK
Quote from: Boo_Ray on December 05, 2008, 03:23:44 PM
you are doing great now :)
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Max,besides ryan I consider you one of my best mates in VLS when everyone thought I was a desperado for the holy grail and truly I wasn't at all,I was just over zealous.I admit it.You stood by me,believe in me and even taught me systems to tried out.That sector system won me quite a bit really.One more for you.thanks for standing by me when the whole VLS taught I was a lunatic after a holy grail
Session 14 Playtech live wheel
Start BR $8323
End BR $8571
Profit +248
Running total +3571
Quote from: ryan08 on December 05, 2008, 11:22:46 AM
jerek now you are up a few thousand start withdrawing 50% every session, then if it does tank your still going to have some money from it
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For my best friend in VLS,this is for you,as its the weekend,the casinos do not do withdrawals,I will get all the profits out and leave 5k to continue my rampage 1st thing on monday.
Session 15 Playtech RNG
Start BR $8571
End BR $8689
Profit +$118
Running total +$3698
Quote from: rjl on December 05, 2008, 05:07:23 PM
Nice pictures, just keep on!!
You've said that you're using a progression, does this works also with flat bet? even low profit?
Cheers,
Rjl
Hello mate,
I receive your PM,I think its a great idea about betting in foreign currency.I am using IBC casino as it is very easy not too much of a hassle.Withdrawals and deposits are pretty fast within 12 hours using a local bank account.If its bet365 or something else,it will take days. I use 200USD plus another 60 bonus from them and blow 1000 USD away from 888.com.However,it takes 4 to 7 working days for process,that made me a bit sick of waiting for funds.
For this voodoo system,
You will need
1. 1000 times of your betting unit as a minimum
2. Balls of steel as its positive progression,you bets gets bigger and bigger after wins until you overcome your loss and in profit
3. A good bet spread on the table mine is 5-2000 and I do have option of 2-500 as well
Flat bets can't work mate,you cant equalised the loss.
15 down,85 more to go!
That's awesome bud, wise choice with locking in the profits..... and keep giving them hell. i'm amped to see where this goes.
Keep it spinning bud.
Quote from: MXkid77 on December 05, 2008, 06:32:42 PM
That's awesome bud, wise choice with locking in the profits..... and keep giving them hell. i'm amped to see where this goes.
Keep it spinning bud.
Hello Dean,
Thank you for your interest and encouragement.As long as I have the resources and time to play.I will continue sucking blood out of them like a leech.Although amounts are small,they add up,they do as you can see from the sums.
Quotethanks for standing by me when the whole VLS taught I was a lunatic after a holy grail
Hi Jerek.
That's Strange Mate because I thought we were all trying to do the same thing.
I also thought that I have done nothing except try to Help & Encourage You.
Of course I must be mistaken.....I will get new glasses because I must be reading these PM's incorrectly.
Lanky.
Regarding keeping some of your winnings....methinks the 50% MM plan would do well here. You'll have another BR in no time + profit ;)
Quote from: Lanky on December 05, 2008, 07:55:38 PM
Quotethanks for standing by me when the whole VLS taught I was a lunatic after a holy grail
Hi Jerek.
That's Strange Mate because I thought we were all trying to do the same thing.
I also thought that I have done nothing except try to Help & Encourage You.
Of course I must be mistaken.....I will get new glasses because I must be reading these PM's incorrectly.
Lanky.
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Hello Lanky,
You definitely did not belong to that the majority that didn't believe in me.I must admit you are one of the best teachers I ever met in the roulette world I will never forget what you have done for me when I first came.You have been most helpful and painstakingly taught me the LWs as well as the 6 pt divisor.I still have all the PMs you've send and explaining to me step by step on the 6 pt.I didn't forget about you mate.So this is for you
Session 16 Playtech RNG
Start BR $8689
End BR $8789
Profit +$100
Total running +$3789
Quote from: roules on December 06, 2008, 02:37:38 AM
Regarding keeping some of your winnings....methinks the 50% MM plan would do well here. You'll have another BR in no time + profit ;)
Yes I think so too roules
Jerek.
Thanks Mate.
Good Chat we just Had Cobber.
You go get Them Tiger.
Your Friend .
Lanky.
Quote from: Lanky on December 06, 2008, 08:45:16 AM
Jerek.
Thanks Mate.
Good Chat we just Had Cobber.
You go get Them Tiger.
Your Friend .
Lanky.
Yes mate its was a good chat.Well now you and ronjo are my role models and inspiration.
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Session 17 Playtech live wheel
Start BR $8789
End BR $9469
Profit +$680
Running total +$4469
This is a long session on live wheel.about 2 hours.100 over spins.
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Session 18 Playtech RNG
Start BR $9469
End BR $9584
Profit +$115
Running total +$4584
A short and sharp RNG session to call it a day
Almost at 100% of your starting BR now Jerek nice job! [smiley=vrolijk_26.gif]
Way to go Jerek....Nice job buddy !!!!!
TSK
;D
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Session 19 Playtech live wheel
Start BR $9584
End BR $10634
Profit +$1050
Running total +$5634
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Session 20 Playtech RNG
Start BR $10634
End BR $11077
Profit +$443
Running total $6077
Hello guys thank you for your messages of encouragement,this pretty much sums up the roulette action for this week.This is the first week and I had a great head start,I will do some cash out first thing in the morning tomorrow.20 sessions done,80 more to go.
Stay tuned for more roulette action next week! :)
Excellent bud, keep it up....
Quote from: MXkid77 on December 07, 2008, 03:03:28 PM
Excellent bud, keep it up....
Thank you dean,Lady Luck can really move you somewhere when she is on your side.
Nice1 Jerek [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
Keep on rolling dude..... 8)
Jerek,
I just found this thread and read it from the beginning.
Good work mate, you are a true inspiration for me now.
I'm very happy for you, keep it up!
Your mate,
Marven
Congratulations Jerek on your success this week.I think you are very wise taking out some of the profits. It will be less pressure on your shoulders and I hope next week can be just as rewarding for you.
regards
enrique
Hi Jerek,
This is my first post and i am writing this because i want to ask you something.
Can you please tell me if there is any difference between rng and live sessions?
I have read many times that rng is cheating players but I don't see that in your sessions.
I really hope you withdraw your money with no problem.
I am very happy when someone manages to win money from a casino. :) :) :)
[smiley=welcome/welcome.gif] on board Zeus,
Thanks for making your first post.
By the way, are you the Zeus from the spanish forums? :)
Regards.
hi zeus, its peoples misconception that RNG's are fixed, they produce different types off random results and can be harder to win on, but most people lose more on live wheels and play on whereas if they hit a bad patch on RNG, its much easier to blame the RNG for been rigged, it just the same as live roulette, they dont need to fix it so why would they?
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Cash out everything today and close down the account.
Open up a new account
Buy in $6000.00
Unit size $6 per unit
Player Name: Herb
LOL! Good luck Jerek. But I'm sure you won't need it with a name like that.
Quote from: Shorty on December 08, 2008, 07:40:24 AM
Player Name: Herb
LOL! Good luck Jerek. But I'm sure you won't need it with a name like that.
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Session 21 Playtech live wheel
Start BR $6000
End BR $6456
Profit +$456
Running total +$6533
Hello Shorty,
I have a great deal of respect for that man and he has won a lot of money from the casinos.Using this name gives me some inspiration to win just like him.
Yeah the next reason is to let all of you have a good laugh ;D
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Session 22 Playtech RNG
Start BR $6456
End BR $6681
Profit +$225
Running total +$6778
Quote from: xman1970 on December 07, 2008, 04:19:53 PM
Nice1 Jerek [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
Keep on rolling dude..... 8)
Hello Stephen,
Thank you for your interest in my challenge thread.Will continue to beat them if I can.Thanks for the well wishes! ;)
Quote from: zeus on December 07, 2008, 10:38:19 PM
Hi Jerek,
This is my first post and I am writing this because I want to ask you something.
Can you please tell me if there is any difference between rng and live sessions?
I have read many times that rng is cheating players but I don't see that in your sessions.
I really hope you withdraw your money with no problem.
I am very happy when someone manages to win money from a casino. :) :) :)
Hello Zeus,
First of all welcome aboard to VLS roulettee forum and thank you for your interest in this thread.
The money is already in the bag so no issues with that withdrawal.Yes you are right that I have some wins on RNG but to be real honest they are scary things and they have ever put me down to half my bankroll.I was never in any form of danger on the live wheel.
I can only say that there are certainly a lot of differences between RNG and live wheel.Cheating or not I cannot confirm but my wins on RNG are always more difficult and hard fought compared to the live wheel sessions.
Quote from: Marven on December 07, 2008, 04:24:49 PM
Jerek,
I just found this thread and read it from the beginning.
Good work mate, you are a true inspiration for me now.
I'm very happy for you, keep it up!
Your mate,
Marven
Hello Marvin,
Thank you for your well wishes but however I am still a relatively new player and learning as well.Personally,these are the people I look up to for inspiration Lanky,VLS,Enrique Malou,TwoCatSam and Herb.I guess they can make better role models than me that is for sure with their experience and the amount of money they have won in their playing career.
My wins are just tiny compare to theirs ;)
Quote from: enrique malou on December 07, 2008, 09:06:01 PM
Congratulations Jerek on your success this week.I think you are very wise taking out some of the profits. It will be less pressure on your shoulders and I hope next week can be just as rewarding for you.
regards
enrique
Hello Enrique,
I do hope that one fine day,we can do the same together in a casino if opportunities allow.I will look forward to that day.
Quote from: ryan08 on December 08, 2008, 03:24:56 AM
hi zeus, its peoples misconception that RNG's are fixed, they produce different types off random results and can be harder to win on, but most people lose more on live wheels and play on whereas if they hit a bad patch on RNG, its much easier to blame the RNG for been rigged, it just the same as live roulette, they dont need to fix it so why would they?
Hi Ryan,
Yes I agree with you,RNGs are harder to win than live wheel.That is what I encounter for these 20 odd sessions.Its just strange and hard to explain.
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Session 23 Playtech RNG
Start BR $6681
End BR $7110
Profit +$429
Running total +$7202
Really nice Jerek keep the ball spinning ;) BTW have you had any problems with the Casino with withdraws etc.?
Quote from: Worm on December 08, 2008, 02:46:15 PM
Really nice Jerek keep the ball spinning ;) BTW have you had any problems with the Casino with withdraws etc.?
Hello Worm,
I have no issues with withdrawal at all,the money is in the bag already actually.Why did you ask and what is your concern?As far as I know,I have not encountered casinos that refuse payment yet.Doesn't make sense to me,what I have won is a drop in the ocean,why would they not pay me?I am definitely not cheating.
Quote from: VLSroulette on December 08, 2008, 02:23:09 AM
[smiley=welcome/welcome.gif] on board Zeus,
Thanks for making your first post.
By the way, are you the Zeus from the spanish forums? :)
Regards.
VLS thank you for welcoming me,
No i don't know spanish :)
Quote from: ryan08 on December 08, 2008, 03:24:56 AM
hi zeus, its peoples misconception that RNG's are fixed, they produce different types off random results and can be harder to win on, but most people lose more on live wheels and play on whereas if they hit a bad patch on RNG, its much easier to blame the RNG for been rigged, it just the same as live roulette, they dont need to fix it so why would they?
Ryan, I just wonder if rng and live wheel are the same why many people from this forum prefer to play live?
For example I saw TCS testing the G.U.T. on live wheel and sometimes he missed his bet due to the limitation of time. Isn't it more important to play right than to play easier? By the way I will try to code the G.U.T. on RX to make testing easier. (Sorry for the off topic)
Quote from: see_jerek on December 08, 2008, 03:01:59 PM
I have no issues with withdrawal at all,the money is in the bag already actually.
That's really nice. Keep it up!!!
zeus
at rng, you cant do VB DS and bias.. so teoreticaly it is unbeatable unless you have some MM plan
zeus
I do not have that problem at Bella Vegas and would not have it at Riverbelle as they give you the full 27 seconds to click down your bets. Usually if I miss a bet, it's because I was not paying attention and a crossing appeared and caught me off guard. I am now learning to look three spins in advance for potential crossings.
Example:
13 10..........If the falling number (13) and the rising number (10) are three or less apart, you have a potential crossing in one bet. 13,10 becomes 12,11 with one hit. If they are four or more apart, you cannot have a crossing until two spins appear. You must be vigilant as if petting a rattlesnake!
(We're getting off jerek's topic.)
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on December 09, 2008, 12:53:41 AM
zeus
I do not have that problem at Bella Vegas and would not have it at Riverbelle as they give you the full 27 seconds to click down your bets. Usually if I miss a bet, it's because I was not paying attention and a crossing appeared and caught me off guard. I am now learning to look three spins in advance for potential crossings.
Example:
13 10..........If the falling number (13) and the rising number (10) are three or less apart, you have a potential crossing in one bet. 13,10 becomes 12,11 with one hit. If they are four or more apart, you cannot have a crossing until two spins appear. You must be vigilant as if petting a rattlesnake!
(We're getting off jerek's topic.)
Sam
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Hello Sam,
Don't worry about the off topic thingy,I am fine with it.I got this one just for you for a early christmas present
Session 24 Playtech RNG
Start BR $7110
End BR $7522
Profit +$412
Running total $7614
Close to the one quarter mark,I really hope this holds up guys.This is the ticket for me to play professionally I hope.
Quote from: Worm on December 08, 2008, 02:46:15 PM
Really nice Jerek keep the ball spinning ;) BTW have you had any problems with the Casino with withdraws etc.?
Hello Worm,
I do have a countermeasure against casinos non payment,I change accounts every end of the week as you can see.I think its best not to let the casino know that its the same person winning,I think that might help just a bit.
@zeus, put it this way-
if you picked 36 out of 37 numbers on a live roulette table and lost you would say its bad luck,
if you picked 36 out of 37 numbers on RNG roulette table and lost, would you still say its bad luck? or would you be more inclined to say you have been cheated?
the simple fact is RNG's dont need to cheat because the house edge is still there like on live wheels so they make enough money on there own, but they are harder to win on because RNG's are mathematically formulated to be random therefore they arent actually truly random. so there is a difference between how RNG and live wheels play. if you had a holy grail for live, it would not work on RNG, and vice versa, hope this helps mate,
good job jerek by the way, keep it up
Quote from: ryan08 on December 09, 2008, 06:09:03 AM
@zeus, put it this way-
if you picked 36 out of 37 numbers on a live roulette table and lost you would say its bad luck,
if you picked 36 out of 37 numbers on RNG roulette table and lost, would you still say its bad luck? or would you be more inclined to say you have been cheated?
the simple fact is RNG's dont need to cheat because the house edge is still there like on live wheels so they make enough money on there own, but they are harder to win on because RNG's are mathematically formulated to be random therefore they arent actually truly random. so there is a difference between how RNG and live wheels play. if you had a holy grail for live, it would not work on RNG, and vice versa, hope this helps mate,
good job jerek by the way, keep it up
hello Ryan,
What happen last night in the chatroom?I got cut off and I came back you wasn't there.We are not finish with our little game yet :)
Hi Jerek
Watchin with big smile on my face as you give em what for!!!
Nice one Mate
TSK :)
Hey Jerek,
keep on, keepin' on. Great job! You've improved so much since I first met you!
Cheers,
MM
Jerek
So......
Whatever this beast is, it works both on RNG and live. Very interesting.
Sam
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Session 25 Playtech RNG
Start BR $7522
End BR $8008
Profit +$486
Running total +$8100
Quote from: mattymattz on December 09, 2008, 12:44:45 PM
Hey Jerek,
keep on, keepin' on. Great job! You've improved so much since I first met you!
Cheers,
MM
Hello Matt,
Thank you for your encouragement.My knowledge and skills in roulette has indeed improved by leaps and bounds ever since joining VLS roulette forum.Honestly,this is the longest winnest streak I ever had in my life.I just hope this can really hold up till 100 sessions,if it can be done then I believe I can start to weigh my options for playing roulette for a living.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on December 09, 2008, 12:49:02 PM
Jerek
So......
Whatever this beast is, it works both on RNG and live. Very interesting.
Sam
Sam,
I think maybe winkel might be right when he said there is no difference between RNG and live wheel.On this adventure,I do both live wheel and RNG.RNG slightly more difficult to win but its fast and one session can take less than 30mins.On live wheel,a session usually takes 2 hours.
Hi see Jerek,
I am right and I must be right.
The possible combinations of 37 number are limited. And every Combination is possible. even if they present you 37 times the 1 or the zero: it is possible.
The amount of combinations is not thinkable that huge it is.
as an Example:
if you have three chances R B Z
There are 9 possible combinations
each is possible to appear. Nobody would bother a RRR or ZZZ or BBB RBZ ZBR BRZ etc.
as long as the generator is random (RNG, TRNG or any else, and there are proofed to be)
there must be the same "possible" results whatever you play.
A big point is the fastnes: If you see in a brick&mortal a 15 Red, you see it once in 2 Hours and it is still on the marquee
If you see a 15 red in an OC you just need ten minutes to see it appear and 10 to see it disappear.
In a Brick and Mortal your home, when the second 15 Red appears. On a OC your still sitting there and watching.
br
winkel
hi guys...
Props jerek for the gw so far. However a note of caution. Id hate to be a dooom merchant or whatever, however while the monetary values are pretty substantial, you've basically won abt 1.5 times ur bankroll on a superb run.
So take care with your winnings bro. Good luck on you quest and of all us here @ the forum will be with you for the ride. After all the "enemy" is the casino!!!! ( welll and maybe bago ")hahaha :p
And always always remember, play only what u can afford to lose!!
Cheers
Hamsup
Quote from: hamsup_sotong on December 09, 2008, 03:51:11 PM
hi guys...
Props jerek for the gw so far. However a note of caution. Id hate to be a dooom merchant or whatever, however while the monetary values are pretty substantial, you've basically won abt 1.5 times ur bankroll on a superb run.
So take care with your winnings bro. Good luck on you quest and of all us here @ the forum will be with you for the ride. After all the "enemy" is the casino!!!! ( welll and maybe bago ")hahaha :p
And always always remember, play only what u can afford to lose!!
Cheers
Hamsup
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Hello Hamsup,
thank you for your kind words and encouragement.This session is for you my fellow Singaporean
Session 26 Playtech live wheel
Start BR $8008
End BR $8864
Profit +$856
Running total +$8956
Quote from: winkel on December 09, 2008, 01:28:35 PM
Hi see Jerek,
I am right and I must be right.
The possible combinations of 37 number are limited. And every Combination is possible. even if they present you 37 times the 1 or the zero: it is possible.
The amount of combinations is not thinkable that huge it is.
as an Example:
if you have three chances R B Z
There are 9 possible combinations
each is possible to appear. Nobody would bother a RRR or ZZZ or BBB RBZ ZBR BRZ etc.
as long as the generator is random (RNG, TRNG or any else, and there are proofed to be)
there must be the same "possible" results whatever you play.
A big point is the fastnes: If you see in a brick&mortal a 15 Red, you see it once in 2 Hours and it is still on the marquee
If you see a 15 red in an OC you just need ten minutes to see it appear and 10 to see it disappear.
In a Brick and Mortal your home, when the second 15 Red appears. On a OC your still sitting there and watching.
br
winkel
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Hi Winkel,I read your post and decided to play a little while longer to see if the RNG would eat me up if I go head on with it aggressively.The results are amazing.Just check it out and thank you so much for imparting your invaluable knowledge.
Session 27 Playtech RNG
Start BR $8864
End BR $9884
Profit +$1020
Running total +$9976
A record breaking session!
This is a tribute to you winkel!
Above a thousand in one session!
Jerek, you made my day mate, I'm glad for ya. [smiley=tekst-toppie.gif]
I admit I don't have the stones to play RNG in online casinos as I don't trust them, but a big thank you to winkel from me as well.
Keep winning brother.
Your mate,
Marven
jerek, great just great
somethimes you need to have big kahoonies to play with that amounts ;D
Can hardly wait for the end of the 100 sessions, go for it !
Keep us with hope.
Cheers, Rjl
Hi Jerek.
Mate I love to see when any of Our Members Win at Roulette.(or anyone else for that matter)
But this My Mate This what You are doing Is/has/will give the whole Forum a Lift Cobber.
Good On Ya Mate ....Go get em Tiger.
Lanky.
jerek
Power to ya!
Sam
Awesome broe, That + 1000 units is truely remarkable... Well done mate
Just to put some clouds in the coffee:
as long as we don´t know,
- what he is betting
- which unit-size he is betting (tables show 2-25 or 5-25 limits)
- if he uses a progression or he is flat-betting
- how many spins he needed to reach the results
it is only money that he won. 1000 could be 40 units of 25, or 200 units of 5 or 500 units of 2
and if the table allows a table-minimum of 2$ with bet on 20 numbers 10ct each, it is much more difficult to judge what is going on.
Hi See Jerek,
a litle bit more information, (not the whole strategy of course), would help
I hope you can see my questions as constructive ones
br
winkel
Winkel,
Good point, I can't help but agree with you.
Quote from: see_jerek on November 30, 2008, 09:04:16 AMThis will be my 1st testing contribution to this forum,no details of how it will be played.I do not wanna post nonsense here and become a public enemy.More details will be released if it doesnt tank in long term,if it tanks then all of you forget about it,it won't work.
The above is where he explained that he will be willing to share but only after it works.
All the best,
Marven
good work mate, i got cut off from the chat too, what game were we playing by the way? too much wacky baccy i cant remember lol
Quote from: winkel on December 09, 2008, 09:08:26 PM
Just to put some clouds in the coffee:
as long as we don´t know,
- what he is betting
- which unit-size he is betting (tables show 2-25 or 5-25 limits)
- if he uses a progression or he is flat-betting
- how many spins he needed to reach the results
it is only money that he won. 1000 could be 40 units of 25, or 200 units of 5 or 500 units of 2
and if the table allows a table-minimum of 2$ with bet on 20 numbers 10ct each, it is much more difficult to judge what is going on.
HI See Jerek,
a litle bit more information, ()not the whole strategy of course), would help
I hope you can see my questions as constructive ones
br
winkel
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Session 28 Playtech RNG
Start BR $9884
End BR $10086
Profit +$202
Total Running +$10188
A short one,I just wanna see my BR and profits in 5 digit figures.
Of course,your questions are constructive ones winkel.....
I am playing ECs on a $5 table and 3 x Double street on a $2 table,meaning $6 bet on a $5 table EC,or $2 x 3 double street on a $2 table
Average spins per session is about 100 to 200 spins
I am using a positive progression up as you win so to say I am putting more and more chips down with every win and I will only reduce my bet size after my BR is up at a higher level.
Quote from: ryan08 on December 09, 2008, 11:47:17 PM
good work mate, I got cut off from the chat too, what game were we playing by the way? too much wacky baccy I cant remember lol
Hello Ryan,the game we are playing is the game I am playing lol ;D
Quote from: Boo_Ray on December 09, 2008, 05:42:10 PM
jerek, great just great
somethimes you need to have big kahoonies to play with that amounts ;D
Yes Max,you are right....Defintely you need balls of steel to play those big bets.
Quote from: rjl on December 09, 2008, 05:42:42 PM
Can hardly wait for the end of the 100 sessions, go for it !
Keep us with hope.
Cheers, Rjl
Hello Rjl,
I hope I could do that and if it its achieveable.It will be no secret.In fact,its not any sort of voodoo roulette or magic system I am using. The system has been around for ages even on VLS I can find it coded perhaps people winning with it are keeping low about it or maybe no one bothers to use it as it requires big capital and iron balls to play it.
Quote from: Lanky on December 09, 2008, 06:59:24 PM
HI Jerek.
Mate I love to see when any of Our Members Win at Roulette.(or anyone else for that matter)
But this My Mate This what You are doing Is/has/will give the whole Forum a Lift Cobber.
Good On Ya Mate ....Go get em Tiger.
Lanky.
Hi there Lanky,
I do hope what I am doing for now can uplift the forum as you said,it would be even better if I can complete the challenge without hiccups and reveal the secret which is not a secret at all.
I hope you are feeling better now as you are reading this mate.
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Session 29 Playtech RNG
Start BR $10086
End BR $10704
Profit +$618
Running total +$10806
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Session 30 Playtech RNG
Start BR $10704
End BR $11609
Profit +$905
Running total +$11711
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Session 31 Playtech RNG
Start BR $11609
End BR $12469
Profit +$860
Total Running +$12571
Hi see ;)
just thought id stop by,
good work mate, keep going ;)
when you going to share my friend ;)
ahhh come on you can tell me ;D
all the best mate
BerlinerBruce
Quote from: berlinerbruce on December 10, 2008, 10:17:18 AM
Hi see ;)
just thought id stop by,
good work mate, keep going ;)
when you going to share my friend ;)
ahhh come on you can tell me ;D
all the best mate
BerlinerBruce
Hello Bruce,
Thank you for your kind words,even if I tell you everything its no of use......because you will have "problems" lol ;D
I will share not now mate IF I can complete my challenge.
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Session 32 Playtech RNG
Start BR $12469
End BR $13372
Profit +$903
Running total +$13474
Close to the 1/3 point now
Very nice Jerek...we're all rooting for yer
TSK
I can only say, WOW, impressive ...... hope it lasts and hope you continue to withdraw from the "ATM". Then, I hope you share it with us all.....
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Session 33 Playtech RNG
Start BR $13372
End BR $15441
Profit +$2069
Total Running +$15543
Thanks you guys for all the kind support and encouragement!
Sharing the secret which is not a secret is definte upon completion of the challenge!
Two grand in one session!!
I'm out of words.
Make 'em cry mate!
Your friend,
Marven
well done mate, keep it up because remember we are splitting winnings 70-30 my way lol
Hi
Good job
And continue winning
When do you show us your system?
Dinh
Yes this would be a great and well recived CHRISTMAS BOX Good luck to all & a happy Christmas & REEAT 09 Colin
Quote from: pgtmedu on December 11, 2008, 06:28:05 AM
Hi
Good job
And continue winning
When do you show us your system?
Dinh
after 100 wins if its possible mate
Quote from: ryan08 on December 11, 2008, 04:21:15 AM
well done mate, keep it up because remember we are splitting winnings 70-30 my way lol
Yeah boy ;D
time to share the wealth bro
hahaha
Pm me plssssssssss
Hamsup
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Session 34 Playtech RNG Baccarat
Start BR $15441
End BR $16090
Profit +$649
Total Running +$16192
Ok guys,this is just for fun and to show the EC system works in Bacc as well.
I am seeking a general opinion,I am not selling anything,how much would you pay for this system that can win win win?
Quote from: hamsup_sotong on December 11, 2008, 08:23:12 AM
time to share the wealth bro
hahaha
Pm me plssssssssss
Hamsup
Defintely ham but you got to bend over for me first.... ;D
HAHAHA!
Rofl, you can lick my balls? ;) j/k.. :D
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Session 35 Playtech RNG
Start BR $16090
End BR $16848
Profit +$758
Total Running +$16950
Quote from: see_jerek on December 11, 2008, 08:25:42 AM
Defintely ham but you got to bend over for me first.... ;D
hahahha u wish!!!! i could give u an inflatable float up of ryan if u would so desire!!!! >:D( kiddies pls ignore post ) hahahaha
Hamsup
Quote from: hamsup_sotong on December 11, 2008, 08:57:04 AM
hahahha u wish!!!! i could give u an inflatable float up of ryan if u would so desire!!!! >:D( kiddies pls ignore post ) hahahaha
Hamsup
That will never be the same....I prefer yours clean and smooth ;D
u must have gotten it wrong ...lol u cant get smoother than a inflatable
Lmao
Hamsup
hey jerek I must inform you that you get me into that thing :P
yesterday I tried this with very low BR (50u) and ended +90
I know how progression goess but I guess that bet selection is a personal thing :)
and for those who think I am going to send them PM about system and that.. All can search it, it is online, even in DL-area, most saw it and didnt studied it(enough) :) i'm not going to tell which one that is because author oviosly doesnt want it to be online :)
keep winning jerek, you are on a good way :)
Hi jerek mate
I see you are doing well
compliment
your friend ales ;) ;D ;D
Quote from: Boo_Ray on December 11, 2008, 11:06:37 AM
hey jerek I must inform you that you get me into that thing :P
yesterday I tried this with very low BR (50u) and ended +90
I know how progression goess but I guess that bet selection is a personal thing :)
and for those who think I am going to send them PM about system and that.. All can search it, it is online, even in DL-area, most saw it and didnt studied it(enough) :) i'm not going to tell which one that is because author oviosly doesnt want it to be online :)
keep winning jerek, you are on a good way :)
max,keep this to yourself please do not just give it away to others until this challlenge is complete.my advice to you is that if you wanna be success with this you need 1000 times your betting unit.even without any bet selection it will work,trust me on this.
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Session 36 Playtech RNG
Start BR $16848
End BR $18674
Profit +$1799
Total Running +$18749
Quote from: see_jerek on December 11, 2008, 05:53:49 PM
max,keep this to yourself please do not just give it away to others until this challlenge is complete.my advice to you is that if you wanna be success with this you need 1000 times your betting unit.even without any bet selection it will work,trust me on this.
U have my word :) well we were discussing about that :)
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Session 37 Playtech RNG
Start BR $18674
End BR $16157
Loss -$2517
Running total +$16232
First losing session? bah next one will be a winner ;)
I think I know what method you are using now Jerek, I will keep my mouth shut though :D
/Worm
>:Ddoing well >:D
Quote from: Worm on December 11, 2008, 08:51:48 PM
First losing session? bah next one will be a winner ;)
I think I know what method you are using now Jerek, I will keep my mouth shut though :D
/Worm
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Session 38 Playtech RNG
Start BR $16232
End BR $19263
Profit +$3031
Total Running +19263
Hello worm,I am hitting back at them for eating my up at the last session.Time to show them who's their daddy! ;D
If you have any idea at all of what I am using,please use it.Its has prove itself again and again,you can see for yourself
HOLY #%£^! Three grand!
That's a full recovery with +500 advantage done in ONE SESSION. >:D
Well done mate!
All the best,
Marven
Quote from: Marven on December 12, 2008, 02:06:25 AM
HOLY #%£^! Three grand!
That's a full recovery with +500 advantage done in ONE SESSION. >:D
Well done mate!
All the best,
Marven
Hello Marven,
I got some time this weekend,I will try to crush them with their money
Hi Jerek,
Fantastic recovery there and a nice pull away too :)
I must be real thick cos I cant figure out what it is your using :-\
Continued good fortune
TSK
Quote from: t0p_man on December 12, 2008, 03:38:21 AM
hey man.
share abit of your method ..hehe ;D
How much would you pay for this? ;)
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Session 39 Playtech RNG
Start BR $19263
End BR $20078
Profit +$815
Running total +$20078
Quote from: t0p_man on December 12, 2008, 08:30:01 AM
Money is meaningless to you now ;)
I can bring you to landbase casino in M'sia to experience the real cash. :P
My friend money has a lot of meaning to me brother,the primary purpose of me playing roulette is too make some extra income partly to support my younger's brother university education.I would like to go to genting to play some real stuff but its a bit far for me 5 hours away.I hope to do that some day but really now I prefer the comfort of playing from home.
If I can be successful online then I might arrive in genting in a helicopter who knows? ;D
see_jerek,
Very impressive, mate! Keep up with the good work. ;)
Honestly, think I would be one of those to bet against you in the beginning,
but it's sooo nice to see somebody killing 'em! ;D Awesome!
12 days = 39 sessions... you'll probably finish this challenge before the end of 2008...
Unless (!) you go on a vacation in some hot country... >:D
Good luck, mate. We are all following your tests with a great interest.
Regards,
m
Amazing!!!!! 8)
Keep up the good work mate and remember to draw them winnings out at the end of the week. You deserve it.
regards
enrique
Hi Jerek,At long last I think ive found what your doin. My BR has gone from £359.00 to £1711 in 8(very small)sessions.
You are obviously playin a stop loss Jerek may I ask what you are using?
Regards TSK
I think I have a very good idea on what this is as well.
As Jerek already said, it's EC playing (the exact bet selection doesn't really matter or make a long-term difference, as long as it's EC), using a high progression with a stop-loss.
What I'd like to know is what kind of progression it is (though I wouldn't be playing this anyway, haha.)
All the best to you dear Jerek, and keep winning. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
Your mate,
Marven
whereeeeeeeeeee areeeeeeeee youuuuuuuuuuuuuu jerekkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk!
Will we see the answer for Xmas ? Colin
Maybe he's spending the cash ;D
The casino found him :o
he got bored of winning
Or the system tanked... >:D
Sorry, (hopefully not, of course!) but nobody mentioned that! :o
he will say if the system has tanked, he is an honest guy
The Casino owners have paid him to shut up ;)
Or they shut him up like in the old Vegas days
Reckon hes xmas shopping for his Porsche!! ;)
Quote from: the_spiders_kiss on December 15, 2008, 05:22:12 PM
Reckon hes xmas shopping for his Porsche!! ;)
Then he better buy me one aswell :D
;D I'd like a Lamborghini Murcielago please Father Jerek-Christmas.
and Nissan R35 for me plx :P
anyways.. where are you jerek?
Last Active: December 12, 2008, 01:00:40 PM (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/profile/see_jerek/)
Yep... he's definitely on vacation! ;)
P.S.
Jaguar XKR please ;D
Boo, i'm with you on the R35, man that thing is sweet......... :)
Jerek ;)
public transport 4 me, a bus, train & hovercraft thank you....
In no peculiar order.... :D ;D :D
Jerek
If you are out there buddy, please get in touch to let everyone know you are o.k
In my mind there are two possible scenarios here.
1. you have won a fortune and have decided to pack it in with your winnings. If so, then good luck and by the way you deserve it for having the balls to go for it.
2. the system you were using took a nosedive and you blew the bankroll. I hope this is not so but if it is there are a few positives to take out from you achieved. you showed good discipline to stick to the system and grind out the profits. you proved to others that with a winning attitude you can hurt the casinos.
I would also like to say that the system you were using can be modified greatly to improve it x10.
It would be good for you to come back and discuss it and we can all work on making it better and safer if you agree to share the system you were using.
I suppose it is also possible that you are busy working as I imagine christmas is the busy time of the year for your business. Either way Jerek, please get in touch, you have many good friends on here and we should all share the ups and downs alike.
best wishes
enrique
Here,here!
now I am getting worried...
Enrique, he said he will have alot of time over the weekend
Possibilities:
1 - Important personal attention required elsewhere
2 - Internet lost (modem died etc - I've had that happen no internet for a week nearly killed me >:( )
3 - System crashed and/or stop loss not adhered to. And playing RNG, how many times have we seen this happen?
Hope it's nothing serious anyways. If we don't hear from him in another week, Ryan08 or Marven can you please spill the beans on the system?
I'd love a Ducati for xmas :D
Quote from: roules on December 17, 2008, 06:27:32 AM
Hope it's nothing serious anyways. If we don't hear from him in another week, Ryan08 or Marven can you please spill the beans on the system?
I'd love a Ducati for xmas :D
Yeah spill the beans, a Kawasaki ZX14 would look nice next to the Lambo in my garage...that is if the Lambo is still coming...
im not spilling the beans because it wouldnt be fair to him,
have you guys thought of the fact he will be visiting family seen as its christmas
What, some of us have lives away from roulette??? :)
I ain't buyin' that, hoper.
Quote from: ryan08 on December 17, 2008, 11:22:21 AM
im not spilling the beans because it wouldnt be fair to him,
have you guys thought of the fact he will be visiting family seen as its christmas
Of course mate - see point 1. Just thought he would of mentioned any planned absence given he's usually quite active. His last post was two weeks before xmas....It'd make more sense disappearing a few days before though. Anyway hope he is well.....If he's spending his money on xmas shopping he'll be a while :o
QuoteI ain't buyin' that, hoper.
Damn straight Sam. I love it! :D
Quote from: t0p_man on December 18, 2008, 10:36:18 AM
He started a thread "why turbo is missing".
Someone here should start a thread "why see_jerek is missing". ;D
nor rly funny if you aske me
well, maybe it was a family emergency or something ( though i hope not!!!) fingers crossed
hamsup
Quote from: roules on December 17, 2008, 06:27:32 AM
If we don't hear from him in another week, Ryan08 or Marven can you please spill the beans on the system?
I'd love a Ducati for xmas :D
Quote from: Jakkalsdraai on December 17, 2008, 10:48:01 AM
Yeah spill the beans
I honestly don't know what
EXACTLY he's been playing, and even if I did, I'm afraid I wouldn't share it anyway as long as he doesn't ask me to. Sorry fellas.
@ all,
I've been without internet for the last couple of days, these things happen guys.
I just hope our friend is doing well.
Best wishes,
Marven
Hello guys,
I am back!
I went overseas for work indonesia is a f**k place no internet access.
The sad thing is I let all of you down,I screw up big time and lost big time on RNG lol ;D
yeah I am laughing about it as what I lose is the casino's money and I still pocket a few thousand despite that
I believe that the RNG eat me up but I still think the system works but this time round I got to do it only on live wheel and approach with care.
They ain't see the last of my yet! ;)
so now knowing that it will tank who wants the system lol
Hi jerek.
I for one would still like to know what the system was please.At least we can take a look and see whats what.
Thank you
TSK
Quoteso now knowing that it will tank who wants the system lol
Hi Jerek.
Yes post it Mate.
You never know Cobber some of us may be able to improve it a little. ;)
Your Friend.
Lanky.
Quote from: Lanky on December 18, 2008, 07:35:33 PM
Hi Jerek.
Yes post it Mate.
You never know Cobber some of us may be able to improve it a little. ;)
Your Friend.
Lanky.
Hello my mate,
I hope you are feeling better by now,to be truthful I bought this system and I promise the seller that I wont leak it,he is watching me on this forum.I have to honour my words as it did win my money.I wish I could but......you know I am not a selfish lad
HI jerek Welcome back! ;)
Would love to see the system you used just to see if I was right :)
You take care now 8)
/Worm
Hi Jerek,
I'd appreciate if you could share your system.
You know how it can be disappointing, when you follow some thread, and in the end, you know nothing about it.
I've read this somewhere:
"There is nothing so good that it can't be improved."
Cheers,
Rjl
Absolutely post it. There are way too many people on this forum who can analyze it and perhaps make it what you want.
Great job with your testing.
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Ok guys I blew the last one up but......they haven't see the last of Jerek yet.I cannot confirm this and I have no evidence to prove it.Its the RNG that eat me up,it seems to me that it learns your betting patterns and after a while,they will throw out impossible results to wipe you out.So no more RNG for me,I have already started playing early this week on live wheel in fact just to give you guys a summary of this week's actuals.
Guys please bear with me,live wheel is dead slow and I cant produce as much results as RNG even if I grind for 2 to 3 hours.One thing is for sure,no more RNG for me,better to be safe than sorry.At the beginning,I have made myself clear that the draw backs for RNG can be scary,I was never in any kind of danger on live wheel.I started playing on tuesday this week and here are the results
Session 40 Playtech live wheel
Buy in $10000
Unit size $10 per unit
Start BR $10000
End BR $16032
Profit +$6032
Running total +$6032
Quote from: mistarlupo on December 12, 2008, 10:16:08 PM
see_jerek,
Very impressive, mate! Keep up with the good work. ;)
Honestly, think I would be one of those to bet against you in the beginning,
but it's sooo nice to see somebody killing 'em! ;D Awesome!
12 days = 39 sessions... you'll probably finish this challenge before the end of 2008...
Unless (!) you go on a vacation in some hot country... >:D
Good luck, mate. We are all following your tests with a great interest.
Regards,
m
Hello mate,
Maybe you might not know,I am from Singapore.its hot and wet all year round.
Hi Jerek,
WOOOOOOOW!!!...very nice start mate. :D.Best of luck.I will be following your outcomes very intently.
Good luck
TSK
You go Jerek! 60 left ;) :D
Since i hate RNG myself i have to say its a wise plan 8)
Guess i have to wait a little longer too know what this is all about.
You take care now m8
/Worm
Quote from: enrique malou on December 16, 2008, 09:11:48 PM
Jerek
If you are out there buddy, please get in touch to let everyone know you are o.k
In my mind there are two possible scenarios here.
1. you have won a fortune and have decided to pack it in with your winnings. If so, then good luck and by the way you deserve it for having the balls to go for it.
2. the system you were using took a nosedive and you blew the bankroll. I hope this is not so but if it is there are a few positives to take out from you achieved. you showed good discipline to stick to the system and grind out the profits. you proved to others that with a winning attitude you can hurt the casinos.
I would also like to say that the system you were using can be modified greatly to improve it x10.
It would be good for you to come back and discuss it and we can all work on making it better and safer if you agree to share the system you were using.
I suppose it is also possible that you are busy working as I imagine christmas is the busy time of the year for your business. Either way Jerek, please get in touch, you have many good friends on here and we should all share the ups and downs alike.
best wishes
enrique
Hello Godfather,
Thank you very much for your concern as we talk about hurting casinos,I think this is not gonna happen.We are just winning thousands from them not millions.I believe even if we combine everyone's winning on VLS its still a drop in the ocean for a brick and mortar casino,they ain't call brick and motar for nothing.Its a known fact that there are more consistent losers than consistent winners and.For consistent winners there is no level playing ground as well.
Yes you are right for event management business this is defintely a hot period however due to the economic problem that the whole world is facing,there is a decrease in demand for the supply of services I am providing.Everyone is tightening their purse,cut down on spending etc etc.In fact since we have no business at all on X'mas eve,we are thinking of organsing a rave party in my office just for a cheap thrill.
The good thing about being a professional player is that such economical issues don't really effect them much becos the casino is a gold mine you just need to learn the right methods to extract the gold out
How's your winning edge coming along?You fans are all wating for it to complete ;)
Guys I think we can get there but will be slow as a snail stay tuned.
Quote from: Worm on December 20, 2008, 10:27:37 PM
You go Jerek! 60 left ;) :D
Since I hate RNG myself I have to say its a wise plan 8)
Guess I have to wait a little longer too know what this is all about.
You take care now m8
/Worm
Worm,
Where did the balls go to?
Yessss Jerek! glad you're still grinding up those profits mate.
I'm one of your fans now. [smiley=vrolijk_26.gif]
Oh and I'm glad that you decided to only play live dealer.
You'll do good buddy.[smiley=thumbsup.gif]
Cheers!
Your mate,
Marven
Quote from: see_jerek on December 18, 2008, 07:43:26 PM
Hello my mate,
I hope you are feeling better by now,to be truthful I bought this system and I promise the seller that I wont leak it,he is watching me on this forum.I have to honour my words as it did win my money.I wish I could but......you know I am not a selfish lad
Then would you please show us the seller.
Good luck
Quote from: pgtmedu on December 21, 2008, 12:04:28 AM
Then would you please show us the seller.
Good luck
how much do you think it is worth?
>:( This forum as i understand it is to share systems and to develop systems. NOT to brag about a system and showing the 1000's and 1000's of dollars being won and then, after in the beginning hinting you would share, turn around and say that you will not. So what is the point of following this thread then? Is this an advertisement?
Is this system being advertised?
Are you hoping to sell this system via pm's? If you said from the beginning you would not reveal this system, do you think for one moment that you would of had this following? I bet only a couple of diehard supporters with unrealistic hopes of you sharing eventually would of stayed on.
Really jerek, it's great that you seem to be winning well but if you are not gonna share, I just don't see the point of this thread :(
This thread is really being followed by a large group of members. BELIEVE me. It is the 1000's and 1000's and 1000's of Dollars that is being won with the hope that the system will be revealed that is keeping people here.
Not because you are such a dashing bloke jerek. (no hard feelings)
There is just no point at all following this thread if you are only here to showboat......
To the rest of you all. Sorry if I've stepped on toes. This is just my view and how I feel about it. Please guys don't waste your time on empty promises and showboating.........
:(For the new year I hope we have less empty promises on this forum and more genuine posts like Winkel, TCS, Lanky, Ronjo, Enrique, Swarm, Mr. Chips and the likes.
jakk
Quote from: see_jerek on December 21, 2008, 12:18:24 AM
how much do you think it is worth?
How much did YOU pay?
@Jakk, Agreed!
Quote from: Kon-Fu-Sed on December 21, 2008, 08:52:25 AM
How much did YOU pay?
@Jakk, Agreed!
Hi KFS,
I did paid for the system but I do not wanna disclosed the amount of money. ;)
Quote from: Jakkalsdraai on December 21, 2008, 08:35:46 AM
>:( This forum as I understand it is to share systems and to develop systems. NOT to brag about a system and showing the 1000's and 1000's of dollars being won and then, after in the beginning hinting you would share, turn around and say that you will not. So what is the point of following this thread then? Is this an advertisement?
Is this system being advertised?
Are you hoping to sell this system via pm's? If you said from the beginning you would not reveal this system, do you think for one moment that you would of had this following? I bet only a couple of diehard supporters with unrealistic hopes of you sharing eventually would of stayed on.
Really jerek, it's great that you seem to be winning well but if you are not gonna share, I just don't see the point of this thread :(
This thread is really being followed by a large group of members. BELIEVE me. It is the 1000's and 1000's and 1000's of Dollars that is being won with the hope that the system will be revealed that is keeping people here.
Not because you are such a dashing bloke jerek. (no hard feelings)
There is just no point at all following this thread if you are only here to showboat......
To the rest of you all. Sorry if I've stepped on toes. This is just my view and how I feel about it. Please guys don't waste your time on empty promises and showboating.........
:(For the new year I hope we have less empty promises on this forum and more genuine posts like Winkel, TCS, Lanky, Ronjo, Enrique, Swarm, Mr. Chips and the likes.
jakk
Hi Jakk,
You are being down right direct and honest.For that I admire you but perhaps you are wrong.This has nothing to do with showing off or anything.I do not need to explain anything becos I have my reasons and difficulties as well.One thing you can be sure of is I am not selling anything and I did not profit from the system except for winning.At the end of the day,I can only say I have done acts of kindness and good will to many here which I feel that I do not have to go into details of what I have done.Those who had got my gesture of good will will know and they do appreciate what I have done for them.
glad to see your winning jerek, but I agree with Jakk.
this topic has been discussed a million and one times on roulette forums. Why bother sharing your story when you won't share the details? Anyone can write about how there winning tons and not prove it (see Farnsworth over at RF a while back). Hope you keep winning though.
MM
"If I was given a problem and had 30 days to solve it, I would spend 29 days defining the problem and only 1 day solving it."
By the time Einstein had spent 29 days with the problem, he would have solved it. Probably on day 2 or 3.
Remember, he said the wheel can't be beaten. Can we really trust this man? Would you buy a used car from this man?
Samster
Quote from: Jakkalsdraai on December 21, 2008, 08:35:46 AM
NOT to brag about a system and showing the 1000's and 1000's of dollars being won
I personally fail to see where Jerek ever sounded like he is 'bragging'.
From what I have seen, the man is a very honest and straightforward person whom I admire and respect.
Quote from: Jakkalsdraai on December 21, 2008, 08:35:46 AM
This thread is really being followed by a large group of members. BELIEVE me. It is the 1000's and 1000's and 1000's of Dollars that is being won with the hope that the system will be revealed that is keeping people here.
Not because you are such a dashing bloke jerek. (no hard feelings)
My friend,
I don't know what others are thinking but as far as I go, when I first joined this thread I had no such ambitions other than congratulating and encouraging Jerek in his daring fight against the casinos.
This, after all, is only a 'Personal Challenge' thread, not a 'New Secret HG System' thread. Think of it as a sort of a personal diary.
I no longer believe in systems and automatic playing, they ALL fail in my opinion and not a single system is truly infallible against the house:
It is the right human decisions, discipline, and experience (coupled with the right conditions such as not playing RNG) that make all the difference in any decent system.I haven't asked for anything and yet I was privileged to know. This only goes to show the kind of great person that Jerek is.
With that said, I can safely tell you that this is no 'holy grail' to go crazy about.
I know that it can tank.
The man clearly showed that it can tank.
He also clearly explained why he wouldn't publish it and we must respect that.
I did.
Quote from: Jakkalsdraai on December 21, 2008, 08:35:46 AM
There is just no point at all following this thread if you are only here to showboat...
If I still remember correctly, a couple of months ago I went through an experience that made me lose hope in roulette and almost quit it forever. But then, I've heard someone in another forum saying that he was winning and it gave me hope to continue.
Thank you, but I will vote for the usefulness of this thread, especially that I know the man enough now to know that he isn't lying.
Hope you understand.
Quote from: see_jerek on December 21, 2008, 09:50:37 AM
I can only say I have done acts of kindness and good will to many here which I feel that I do not have to go into details of what I have done.Those who had got my gesture of good will will know and they do appreciate what I have done for them.
We surely do mate.
Keep winning, you deserve it. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
All the best to you all,
Marven
@jakk and all who agree with his post,
first of all the title of this thread is personal challenge to win 100 sessions, PERSONAL being the operative word here, which means this thread was probably used for his use only so dont blame him for getting a following, he never asked for it.
2nd- he clearly stated earlier on in the thread that he would only share the system if he won 100 sessions with it, he isnt even halfway yet so again he has done nothing wrong, your misinterpretation of the situation.
3rd- he has payed for the system, so it is his perogative whether he shares it with you guys, he is under no obligation to whether he said he would or not, and he said the guy who he bought it from is keeping an eye on the forum so he is actually obliged not to share.
4th- i said to him earlier not to share if people get impatient and ungreatful with him as i dont see why he should if people act like that.
so if any of you are dissapointed or dont agree with what jerek has done here its your own fault.
well said marven, bravo. its like a witch hunt on this forum sometimes
Quote from: ryan08 on December 21, 2008, 02:02:00 PM
well said marven, bravo. its like a witch hunt on this forum sometimes
Thanks matey,
You too very well said. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
Best regards to all,
Marven
Don't worry Jerek, ignore the negative comments. Most of us are very happy that you are winning such a substantial amount! [smiley=thumbsup.gif] [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
Quote from: Mr Chips on December 21, 2008, 04:31:22 PM
I think the Moderators should watch how this all develops, especially if the system seller states on ebay "this is a guaranteed
winner as seen on vlsroulette.com.
Hi Mr.Chips,
Nah, I don't see that happening. Jerek didn't even mention the name of the system. He will never 'advertise' anything.
No need to make a big deal out of this. :)
Cheers,
Marven
jerek is good friends with most of the moderators (lanky, victor, xman) etc, they know the type of guy he is and if there was any action to be taken by them, it wouldve happened already
Man, I guess this is how Herb feels all the time... lol.
Look. I'm not meaning to take a shot at Jerek. It's just that this started off as a personal challenge (excellent idea) but then this "innocent" comments would pop up "how much would you pay?".
Now it's a system that he paid for and won't go into detail (unless you PM him?). Just looks fishy thats all. Jerek was/is fairly new around here and when he first joined all he talked about was how much he was losing. Then all of a sudden he's got this amazing system that was right in front of our eyes??!? wow - we all must be blind.
I don't know about most of you, but if I was tired of losing all my money (as jerek said he was). I wouldn't go testing something new (on RNG by the way) with oodles of money.
Look - I have no idea if this is legit or not. The only way I will know if it's legit is by testing myself (and no, I'm not asking too). No screen shots or anything like that. Not saying I think he's a fake. I just don't know either way. And really I don't care. I hope that it's geniune and that he's winning like crazy. That'd be awesome!
Okay, I'll stop my comments unless it's directed toward me. Keep on keeping on jerek. I wish you the best of luck (honestly).
MM
hes legit and if you knew jerek well enough you would know he tests with thousands of pounds, thats just his way
Well I would like to put in my tuppence people.
The fact that one of our co-forum members is winning substantial amounts of money should be an inspiration to us all ,not a call to arms ..men against men.
I have found Jerek to be honest and upstanding in all my dealings with him and I think he should be congratulated for showing that ,although he hasnt got the HG,winning good money is possible.
Just my take on it
TSK.
There isn't a chance in hell that anyone here is ever going to beat an RNG game with a gambling system. ;D
@Matt:
No worries bud, your point is clear.
@spider kiss:
Well said mate.
@Herb:
hahah. Agreed. >:D
Cheers,
Marven
Mr Chips,
Ok I see your point and it's a good one. :)
I just thought that, since Jerek haven't mentioned the system's name or the name of its seller etc, the latter won't have a proof that it's his system that Jerek is playing, thus he can't take advantage of the situation.
So far, Jerek is just playing 'a system'. ;)
Cheers,
Marven
Quote from: Herb on December 21, 2008, 05:18:33 PM
There isn't a chance in hell that anyone here is ever going to beat an RNG game with a gambling system. ;D
Hello Herb,
I got to agree with you on this 100%......I lost all the profits I got in 1 day,total titanic situation.
[attachimg=#]
Session 41 Playtech live wheel
Start BR $16032
End BR $16367
Profit +$335
Running total $6367
Quote from: mattymattz on December 21, 2008, 05:08:33 PM
Man, I guess this is how Herb feels all the time... lol.
Look. I'm not meaning to take a shot at Jerek. It's just that this started off as a personal challenge (excellent idea) but then this "innocent" comments would pop up "how much would you pay?".
Now it's a system that he paid for and won't go into detail (unless you PM him?). Just looks fishy thats all. Jerek was/is fairly new around here and when he first joined all he talked about was how much he was losing. Then all of a sudden he's got this amazing system that was right in front of our eyes??!? wow - we all must be blind.
I don't know about most of you, but if I was tired of losing all my money (as jerek said he was). I wouldn't go testing something new (on RNG by the way) with oodles of money.
Look - I have no idea if this is legit or not. The only way I will know if it's legit is by testing myself (and no, I'm not asking too). No screen shots or anything like that. Not saying I think he's a fake. I just don't know either way. And really I don't care. I hope that it's geniune and that he's winning like crazy. That'd be awesome!
Okay, I'll stop my comments unless it's directed toward me. Keep on keeping on jerek. I wish you the best of luck (honestly).
MM
Hello Matt,
Thank you for your views on this matter,you are right about me being very new here.In fact,I came here together with Ryan08.When I ask that particular member on how much he would pay for this 'magic' system I didn't know it will stir up so much crap,cross my heart there was no hidden agenda behind that question.If I knew it will cost a stir or any unhappiness,I won't do it.I was just trying to poke at him for the fun of it but by the looks of it,it is not funny and it turns out to be a lousy joke.I was in fact a big time loser in roulette,I never deny it and you knew it as well don't you?I tried a lot of systems on VLS and sadly none work for me.However I have to admit that some systems do have potential but it may not be in my taste.I have seen and heard things like ''never buy a system,it doesn't work'' kind of thing here in VLS always.Of course,there are many scammers out there and the best is to stay away.That will be my advise to any fellow members as well.
But....hear me out first,I have already lose thousands on roulette no harm being scam of a few hundred dollars no harm done just take it as another losing session.The person who sold me this has demostrated how effective it is right before my eyes,he plays for bread and butter and this system is one of his tricks in his bag,100% refund policy if it fails to work and produce profits,personal coaching by the man himself until I can understand the concept fully and in return no details of how it is done to be in public eyes.
Yes I am winning with it and even at this point.If I were to lose any money of my own,I couldn't care lesser about honouring my promises to the system seller I will tell the whole VLS how it is done.To be really honest,I was given an offer by a member for the system thru PM (You know who you are) I could have made some money out of it but I didn't.
A few things that I wish to stress is
1.The system is not a holy grail and its not something new,its an old trick in the bag.It has been around and its still around
2.I am not trying to sell anything to anyone even when I have to dig out money from my own pocket for it
3.This is not an advertisement
4.I did lose money with it
Quote from: Marven on December 21, 2008, 01:45:52 PM
I personally fail to see where Jerek ever sounded like he is 'bragging'.
From what I have seen, the man is a very honest and straightforward person whom I admire and respect.
My friend,
I don't know what others are thinking but as far as I go, when I first joined this thread I had no such ambitions other than congratulating and encouraging Jerek in his daring fight against the casinos.
This, after all, is only a 'Personal Challenge' thread, not a 'New Secret HG System' thread. Think of it as a sort of a personal diary.
I no longer believe in systems and automatic playing, they ALL fail in my opinion and not a single system is truly infallible against the house: It is the right human decisions, discipline, and experience (coupled with the right conditions such as not playing RNG) that make all the difference in any decent system.
I haven't asked for anything and yet I was privileged to know. This only goes to show the kind of great person that Jerek is.
With that said, I can safely tell you that this is no 'holy grail' to go crazy about.
I know that it can tank.
The man clearly showed that it can tank.
He also clearly explained why he wouldn't publish it and we must respect that.
I did.
If I still remember correctly, a couple of months ago I went through an experience that made me lose hope in roulette and almost quit it forever. But then, I've heard someone in another forum saying that he was winning and it gave me hope to continue.
Thank you, but I will vote for the usefulness of this thread, especially that I know the man enough now to know that he isn't lying.
Hope you understand.
We surely do mate.
Keep winning, you deserve it. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
All the best to you all,
Marven
Hello Marven,
I just wanna let you know I am a big time loser before I was using this system,I really was.A lot of people can bear witness to this.At some point,I also almost reach the point of giving up,who's got thousands to lose every now and then?I don't print money I work from 8 to 5 for them and its heartache as I was constantly losing.I wasn't enjoying roulette at all taking it seriously.I was enjoying the game more when I was playing it for recreation.
I also never believe in buying systems as well,why is there a reason to buy one when there are so many systems here for free?The system seller must have done some magic before my eyes to convince me to pay for it.I always wanted to play professionally it is a dream for me and it still is,it seems likes I am at a higher level of play with this system alone and it takes me one step closer to my goal.I am delighted and pleased with myself not becos I am winning money its the joy of beating the casinos with unfair conditions against us and before this is happening I only knew 3 things in roulette
1.Losing
2.Losing
3.Losing
But hey I'm doing much better now at least,I wasn't losing all the time and I am sure the day will come for you
Thank you my dear friend.
I appreciate every word.
All the best to you,
Marven
Guys,
I do not want to cause any unhappiness or arguements in the forum.I have said and always stress that all of us have a common enemy and that is the casino,so to say all of us are like family and if this thread is the cause of any unhappiness or any negativity then I would rather stop it
I would like to hear everyone's general opinions on this again my intention is not to cause any unhappiness here.
If there are unhappy people out there and think that I have other intentions besides completing this challenge,then I will rather not go on.
Quote from: see_jerek on December 21, 2008, 06:53:32 PM
Hello Matt,
Thank you for your views on this matter,you are right about me being very new here.In fact,I came here together with Ryan08.When I ask that particular member on how much he would pay for this 'magic' system I didn't know it will stir up so much crap,cross my heart there was no hidden agenda behind that question.If I knew it will cost a stir or any unhappiness,I won't do it.I was just trying to poke at him for the fun of it but by the looks of it,it is not funny and it turns out to be a lousy joke.I was in fact a big time loser in roulette,I never deny it and you knew it as well don't you?I tried a lot of systems on VLS and sadly none work for me.However I have to admit that some systems do have potential but it may not be in my taste.I have seen and heard things like ''never buy a system,it doesn't work'' kind of thing here in VLS always.Of course,there are many scammers out there and the best is to stay away.That will be my advise to any fellow members as well.
But....hear me out first,I have already lose thousands on roulette no harm being scam of a few hundred dollars no harm done just take it as another losing session.The person who sold me this has demostrated how effective it is right before my eyes,he plays for bread and butter and this system is one of his tricks in his bag,100% refund policy if it fails to work and produce profits,personal coaching by the man himself until I can understand the concept fully and in return no details of how it is done to be in public eyes.
Yes I am winning with it and even at this point.If I were to lose any money of my own,I couldn't care lesser about honouring my promises to the system seller I will tell the whole VLS how it is done.To be really honest,I was given an offer by a member for the system thru PM (You know who you are) I could have made some money out of it but I didn't.
A few things that I wish to stress is
1.The system is not a holy grail and its not something new,its an old trick in the bag.It has been around and its still around
2.I am not trying to sell anything to anyone even when I have to dig out money from my own pocket for it
3.This is not an advertisement
4.I did lose money with it
Well answered Jerek - cheers. I wish you the best bud.
Matt
Quote from: see_jerek on December 22, 2008, 02:27:39 AM
I would like to hear everyone's general opinions on this again my intention is not to cause any unhappiness here.
If there are unhappy people out there and think that I have other intentions besides completing this challenge,then I will rather not go on.
Keep going jerek.
Whether you will reveal your system end of the day is your choice.
If you are successful (which i truly hope) then you would have proven that roulette can be beaten and more importantly motivates everyone here to work harder to develop their own killer systems.
Even if you fail (i hope not) you can still share your experience with us which is also equally important as we can all learn from mistakes that you make....... at your own cost of course :) ;D
Wish you success m8.
Cheers !!
Hi Jerek,
I don't think that there are too many problems with you not revealing the method.
However, as it is your personal challenge, I would like to see you continue on your quest to win over a period of 100 sessions, as the mere content of your sessions to date have generated a lot of interest on this thread.
Regards
Mocco
Quote from: t0p_man on December 22, 2008, 02:36:57 AM
Will you still share when you completed 100 sessions? ..that what you promised in your first few posts.
Can I make it to 100 1st?this is the more important issue,don't you agree?My friend from Malaysia ;)
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Cool guys,thank you for the green light.I close the old account and open up a new one,I got this stupid habit which I think is able to avoid the casino tracking me down for winning.I am always playing behind a proxy.I don't know if it works but I just do it everytime after 1 week of winning.
Buy in $15000
Unit Size $15 per unit
Switching accounts and playing behind a proxy is a good idea mate. Not sure how effective it is but it's a smart move, never thought about it.
I love this thread, keep it up. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
Cheers from your friend,
Marven
Nice name!
Quote from: Marven on December 22, 2008, 10:25:04 AM
Switching accounts and playing behind a proxy is a good idea mate. Not sure how effective it is but it's a smart move, never thought about it.
I love this thread, keep it up. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
Cheers from your friend,
Marven
Hello Marven,
I also do not know if this little trick will work but it seems that after winning a bit,the casino always give you the bad connection,tech problems all that stuff.I highly suspect that once you win to a certain amount of money there is something that trigger or alert them.It does not make sense I know but its just being careful,you dont want to be in a middle of a progression and they cut you off.
Quote from: Shorty on December 22, 2008, 10:28:38 AM
Nice name!
The man will love this don't you think? ;D
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Session 42 Playtech live wheel
Start BR $15000
End BR $15515
Profit +$515
Running total +$6882
Kingspin's debut session is a good and sweet one although live wheel is dead slow like a snail :)
Very nice Jerek! [smiley=laugh.gif]
Yes mate, playing live wheel is slow if you're used to playing rng.
By the way, what's your current base unit value?
Are you using any sort of capitalization (e.g. VLS' 50% plan)?
The information found in this chat might prove very useful (thanks to Victor):
nolinks://vlsroulette.6.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=274 (nolinks://vlsroulette.6.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=274)
;)
Cheers,
Marven
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Yesterday a fellow member PM me and ask me some questions on the system I was playing.I knew he never meant to argue but he commended that its just another ordinary system.I do agree with him,I didn't ever said I was playing something out of the blue.Now someone got the system coded in RX and it tank in 200 spins which I disagree.He must be doing something wrong or not playing it correctly.I did a short spin test using 9000 spins from playtech live wheel.Ok as you can see it went went over 200 spins,of cos 300 odd spins is not enough to test any kind of system.The exchange of PMs yesterday was a constructive one and I will continue running RX with the system with playtech spins.We will see how far it can go
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Session 43 Playtech live wheel
Start BR $15515
End BR $16241
Profit +$726
Running total +$7608
Playing live wheel is like watching the grass grow :(
Quote from: Marven on December 22, 2008, 04:57:27 PM
Very nice Jerek! [smiley=laugh.gif]
Yes mate, playing live wheel is slow if you're used to playing rng.
By the way, what's your current base unit value?
Are you using any sort of capitalization (e.g. VLS' 50% plan)?
The information found in this chat might prove very useful (thanks to Victor):
nolinks://vlsroulette.6.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=274 (nolinks://vlsroulette.6.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=274)
;)
Cheers,
Marven
Hey Marven,
Looks like a good MM idea.will look into this.Hmmm.....but not forgetting I am a yellow chinese pig lol ;D gambling is in our blood.We bet big and its either win big or lose big.Look at baccarat tables at a land casino and you will know,the way they bend the cards as if its trying to tear the card into two.....Yeah thats us chinese :D gambling like tomorrow is not coming no such thing as MM
Hey Jerek,
Good to see you're keeping on. It is the Roulette Challenge Zone so there was never any obligation to reveal the system being used although it's made everyone curious. I think it's interesting that you more or less made yourself publicly accountable for your results - good or bad, as it's probably done a lot for the way you play.
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600 spins
@ Roules,I am doing some examples on RX just to show others how it is like,I do not want anyone to try to guess or attempt anything when they are unaware of what I am using,a wrong understanding can get people into trouble.I do not want that sort of unhappiness here.
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700 spins ;)
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Session 44 Playtech live wheel
Start BR $16241
End BR $17106
Profit +$865
Running total +$8473
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Session 45 Playtech live wheel
Start BR $17106
End BR $18528
Profit +$1422
Total running +$9895
This is what I call a session from hell,I am betting on Red and black came in waves,streak chop then streak again a few times.It almost sink me like then titanic but I just go on a hard grind 5 hours to break even and to produce profit.I hate such sessions it gives you a heart attack when the wheel tries to break you apart throwing you rare results you seldom come across.
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900 spins and BR volatile but upward trend.Personally I believe when the BR is higher you can take more damage so not much trouble till now
Hi Jerek,
Glad you survived that session from hell and went out with a nice profit. Well done! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
And by the way, those graphs look good so far.
Keep going.
Your mate,
Marven
Quote from: Marven on December 25, 2008, 04:45:08 PM
Hi Jerek,
Glad you survived that session from hell and went out with a nice profit. Well done! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
And by the way, those graphs look good so far.
Keep going.
Your mate,
Marven
Hello Marven,
thank your for your comments and merry xmas to you. ;)
I feel that tests on RX are pretty good to a certain extent,I import 9k spins from playtech live wheel.I will try to do a little bit everyday,another issue is that I don't understand why others said that the system tanks easily under 200 to 300 spins.If that is the case,I won't be able to pull it off for so long.I just wanna prove my point that it is a useable system maybe the member that coded it got it wrong or not playing the same way as me.
The best thing about the tests so far is that I am playing continous non stop betting almost on every spin,although the spins are not many you have to take into consideration that I am not using any LW registry and the system is put under non stop play.I have to say it looks good at this stage and not many systems can take the continous beating eventually it will be eaten up as usual nothing surprising if it happens.Its no holy grail and a lousy streak of results will blow you apart.I also cant comment much now maybe it will pull thru 5000 spins at least who knows?it just may.At least it went pass 500 :)
@Victor, amigazo, dejame esto aca, porque quiero saber la opinión de lo seguidores de este hilo.
Gracias. ;)
"EN BUSCA DEL CISNE NEGRO"
En busca del " Cisne Negro ". Caja: 3000 fichas Número de bolas a jugar diariamente: 175 bolas. Objetivo: cantidad de fichas ganada igual a bolas apostadas. Presento dos tipos de estrategia, la primera, juega de contínuo, la segunda para cuando tenemos tres contras seguidas.
Principal problema: La baja dispersión de las figuras, hace que en nuestra permanencia personal, si jugamos constantemente a la larga, perdamos lo que todos sabemos.
Ventaja: Si va una o dos veces por sermana no tiene problemas.
Si luego de las 175 bolas, no consigue su objetivo, cuando vuelva a jugar, retome donde dejó la última vez, aumentando en uno el valor de la ficha.
" Cuidado con los límites de la mesa "
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Si desean ver el Sistema aplicado a docenas, esta en el Foro en Español.
Un saludo cordial, Edgardo.
Quote from: Edgardo on December 25, 2008, 11:46:12 PM
@Victor, amigazo, dejame esto aca, porque quiero saber la opinión de lo seguidores de este hilo.
Gracias. ;)
"EN BUSCA DEL CISNE NEGRO"
En busca del " Cisne Negro ". Caja: 3000 fichas Número de bolas a jugar diariamente: 175 bolas. Objetivo: cantidad de fichas ganada igual a bolas apostadas. Presento dos tipos de estrategia, la primera, juega de contínuo, la segunda para cuando tenemos tres contras seguidas.
Principal problema: La baja dispersión de las figuras, hace que en nuestra permanencia personal, si jugamos constantemente a la larga, perdamos lo que todos sabemos.
Ventaja: Si va una o dos veces por sermana no tiene problemas.
Si luego de las 175 bolas, no consigue su objetivo, cuando vuelva a jugar, retome donde dejó la última vez, aumentando en uno el valor de la ficha.
" Cuidado con los límites de la mesa "
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Si desean ver el Sistema aplicado a docenas, esta en el Foro en Español.
Un saludo cordial, Edgardo.
Hello Edgardo,thank you for your comments.
@ Victor can you please translate,I can't read spainish
Jerek, sure, it says:
@Victor, my friend, please leave this right here, as I want to know the opinion from the followers of this thread.
Thanks.
"LOOKING FOR THE BLACK SWAN"
Looking for the Black Swan system: Bankroll: 3000 units. Amount of spins to play daily: 175 spins. Target: amount of units won equalized with the amount of spins bet. I introduce two types of strategy, first one, it plays continuously, second one is aimed to the times we have three against us in a row.
First issue: low dispersion of figures, it makes us to lose in our personal actuals if we play continuously, in the long run, fact we know.
Advantage: If one plays one or two times a week doesn't have problems.
If after 175 spins one couldn't reach the target, whenever you resume play, you retake from wherever you were last time, rising the unit value in +1.
" Be careful with table limits "
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If you wish to see the system applied to dozens, it is at the spanish forum (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/sistemas-completos/en-busca-del-'cisne-negro'/).
Warm greetings, Edgardo.
Well guys, that's it. May this space serve to remind you we have implemented our
[colors][/colors] tag, which will colorize RED/BLACK/ZERO enclosed notations.
Kind regards and glad to serve :).
Your friend,
Victor
Victor,
Is it possible for you to post the dozens version of this from the spanish forum?
Thanks, Gator
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Session 46 Playtech live wheel
Start BR $18628
End BR $20586
Profit +$1958
Running total +$11853
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Session 47 Playtech live wheel
Start BR $20586
End BR $21583
Profit +997
Running total +12850
Betting units increase to $20 a unit.
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Test on RX @ 1000 spins
Jerek.
Keep on keeping on mate.Lovely to see
TSK
Quote from: the_spiders_kiss on December 27, 2008, 09:43:37 AM
Jerek.
Keep on keeping on mate.Lovely to see
TSK
Hello Spider Kiss,
I wish I can but this is gambling and anything can happen
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1100 spins
Quote from: Wally Gator on December 26, 2008, 07:39:54 PM
Victor,
Is it possible for you to post the dozens version of this from the spanish forum?
Thanks, Gator
Hi Wally.
Click here for the post as translated by Google (nolinks://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&tl=en&u=nolinks://vlsroulette.com/sistemas-completos/en-busca-del-'cisne-negro'/#msg32328).
Cheers!
Victor, A BIG thanks ..... Wally
Quote from: Wally Gator on December 27, 2008, 04:12:45 PM
Victor, A BIG thanks ..... Wally
Wally, there's this image at the top of each page: (https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fvlsroulette.com%2Fimg%2Fen-uk_flag.gif&hash=1b836105ac0b030cee3b14882393ed46bf8c539c) it translates via google. Lanky's
observation /slash/
frustration brought to notice: if we are going to coexist, we better have this enabled for spanish-english translating.
We expect our forum to slowly capture more information from the spanish-speaking circles, and of course, being able to read the translated text at a click helps, even having it being a basic translation :)
Kind regards.
Your friend,
Victor
Quote from: t0p_man on December 27, 2008, 04:57:45 PM
congraz. Keep up the good work.
Hello top man,
How is the learning of the system?Do you have any leads until now?
Quote from: VLSroulette on December 27, 2008, 03:31:30 PM
Hi Wally.
Click here for the post as translated by Google (nolinks://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&tl=en&u=nolinks://vlsroulette.com/sistemas-completos/en-busca-del-'cisne-negro'/#msg32328).
Cheers!
Hello Victor,
Thank you so much for the trouble to get it translate,it will help fellow members go a long way. ;)
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Session 48 Playtech live wheel
Start BR $21583
End BR $23903
Profit +$2330
Total Running +$15170
Thats all folks,that will be all for this week! :)
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1200 spins on RX and still going strong,a slow grinder indeed :)
Well done Jerek, looking awesome at the moment.
Can I ask, how many units would u lose for a 'loss' (I'm assuming you use a progression).
Regards
Clint
Quote from: Clint on December 28, 2008, 03:59:08 PM
Well done Jerek, looking awesome at the moment.
Can I ask, how many units would u lose for a 'loss' (I'm assuming you use a progression).
Regards
Clint
Hello Clint,
My stop loss will be 50% BR
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New week,I open up a new account as usual buy in $15000,$15 per unit
Session 49
Start BR $15000
End BR $16104
Profit +$1104
Running total $16274
Quote from: see_jerek on December 29, 2008, 07:54:43 AM
New week,I open up a new account as usual buy in $15000,$15 per unit
Session 49
Start BR $15000
End BR $16104
Profit +$1104
Running total $16274
Hi Jerek.
That's a Fantastic Result Mate.....Good on You Buddy.
But please Mate.....Please put some of the winnings away Cobber.
Your Friend.
Lanky.
Quote from: Lanky on December 29, 2008, 09:31:58 AM
Hi Jerek.
That's a Fantastic Result Mate.....Good on You Buddy.
But please Mate.....Please put some of the winnings away Cobber.
Your Friend.
Lanky.
That is of cos lanky,thats why I am cashing out weekly
How you put $15 per unit on a min. $10 bet table?
igalpr
The minimum is $10 and the maximum is $150. Usually, this means you can be from 10 to 150 on each number. He could easily bet $15.
Sam
Quote from: igalpr on December 29, 2008, 01:37:34 PM
How you put $15 per unit on a min. $10 bet table?
Yes sam is right,I am playing on ECs not straight up on numbers. :)
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Session 50 Playtech live wheel
Start BR $16104
End BR $18877
Profit +$2773
Running total +$19047
Half way point! :)
lookin good Jerek lookin good :)
Best wishes
TSK
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1300 spins on RX,increase bet size to $2 a unit
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I like how the curve is getting steeper ;)
Due to the increase in base units I suspect....still looks good though, the main thing is it's still going up.
Quote from: roules on December 30, 2008, 02:39:07 AM
I like how the curve is getting steeper ;)
Due to the increase in base units I suspect....still looks good though, the main thing is it's still going up.
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1500 spins on RX
@ Roules.Yes you are spot on its due to the increase in betting units,I am using $2 per unit as I have enough BR to support the progression.Up as you win is important in the system,its a long based system and it requires a lot of time playing but as you can see its doing well up to this point.Can it go further?Yes defintely,this is what I think and I will try to test it bit by bit to see how far it can really go.
There is word that the system was tested with more than 50k spins and it didn't tank.I have not seen the evidence but if I could get to the end of my test which is around 10k play tech live spins,there might be some truth in it.
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Ride it for all it's worth Jerek. I love seeing them trend charts keep going up and up. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
regards
enrique
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1900 spins on RX
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Quote from: ryan08 on December 30, 2008, 01:22:21 PM
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Lmao,you are the only one that knows the secret do you ryan? ;)
[smiley=3D-gal/36_5_4.gif] I KNOW!
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2000 spins on RX
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Session 51 Playtech live wheel
Start BR $18877
End BR $19706
Profit +$829
Running total +$19876
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Session 52 Playtech live wheel
Start BR $19706
End BR $20834
Profit +$1128
Running total +$21104
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2400 spins on RX
Keep rollin Bro
TSK
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2600 spins on RX
how many sessions are you at now?
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Session 53 Playtech live wheel
Start BR $20834
End BR $24303
Profit +$3460
Running total +$24564
Stakes increase to $25 a unit
Or keep it at $15 per unit and cash out 10k? :)
i would say whatever you win now he takes half out and leave half in after every session, that way you can use $25 stakes and keep your winnings
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2700 spins on RX
Bet units increase to $5 per unit
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Session 54 Playtech live wheel
Start BR $24303
End BR $25571
Profit +$1268
Running total +$25832
Is ryan08 still your partner? How is he in bed - open?
I think that you went already long successful warrior way to give us a little hint what are you doing because we get very confused and worrying about your health - the journey must be stressful for you. We want to share the stress with you, not the money.
Cheers Hermes
Quote from: hermes on January 04, 2009, 01:40:07 AM
Is ryan08 still your partner? How is he in bed - open?
I think that you went already long successful warrior way to give us a little hint what are you doing because we get very confused and worrying about your health - the journey must be stressful for you. We want to share the stress with you, not the money.
Cheers Hermes
Hello Hermes,
Thank you for your concern,in fact I hit a loss big time yesterday and was grinding the whole day to get back ino profit.
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Session 55 Playtech live wheel
Start BR $25571
End BR $18927
Loss -$6644
Running total +19188
Yes a loss....If you think this is bad,the lowest I was at was 10k.I spend the whole day to grind back to where I am now.I wasnt playing my regular system as I was up by about 10k I decided to try something unusual and it crash big time on me.I had to play my regular system for the past 12 hours to get back to where I am.
Lesson learned 'If it ain't broken,don't fix it'
Jerek.
Great Mate ..... You did well to do some recovering Cobber.
Look at it this way You lost the 1st session & Then won The 2nd session.
Well done Mate.
Lanky.
Quote from: t0p_man on January 04, 2009, 09:17:56 AM
Hi see_jerek,
don't worry, the loss can be easily recover with your ultimate system.
Just a suggestion, you can employ a foreign worker to play for you day and night, since it just a simple system. Or even several workers to play concurrently. You can sit down and enjoy. ;D
Hello top man,
That will be rather boring,it is the money I am playing roulette for but another reason is the thrill of beating casinos again and again on an unlevel playing field.
I have been silently watching this post since the beginning and I really admire how Jerek manages to beat the bank! I encourage you brother to build up bit by bit again and hit 27k again! wow!
Congratulations on your recovery brother, and its like you say...'If it ain't broken,don't fix it'
Do not deviate from your magic!
Regards,
Jose
I was just getting a bit bored playing the same thing again and again.
I need a break for a while mate
I agree man, relax, take some days off! Go on Vacation! ;D
Quote from: jbaztan on January 04, 2009, 01:53:30 PM
I agree man, relax, take some days off! Go on Vacation! ;D
Mate come on skype,its getting boring
I am at work :-\ ..... freaking sunday..
I shoud be at home like in 3 hrs... dont have skype here
Quote from: jbaztan on January 04, 2009, 01:58:26 PM
I am at work :-\ ..... freaking sunday..
I shoud be at home like in 3 hrs... dont have skype here
Catch up later
Hi see_jerek.
Nice to see that you find some thing that works for you, nice results you have there mate :)
Cheers LS
I ask my self that question!
Enrique and you don't post any more here, why is that?
How does it go for you, well i hope...
Maybe it fail to hit your goal, challange?
Cheers LS
Jerek just got bored winning money! ;D
Wish you some more good luck in future, buddy. :thumbsup:
Regards,
m
lol ;D
well luck has nothing to do with it >:D
He just have to pray that when he find out the never ending story, that the amount he won is more then the amount he lose ::)
LS
Quote from: Lucky Strike on January 11, 2009, 12:45:07 PM
I ask my self that question!
Enrique and you don't post any more here, why is that?
How does it go for you, well i hope...
Maybe it fail to hit your goal, challange?
Cheers LS
Hey LS,
It ain't game over yet.Just that a bad session made me need to modify the system a bit.It will take a bit of them have you study the Tera TNT yet?
Hey Bro
Nice to see you back.Good luck
TSK
Welcome back dear Jerek. :)
All the best from your friend,
Marven
I have run tests up till 4000 spins and I will play again next week :thumbsup:
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jerek
Great! Looking forward to it.
Sam
Welcome back Jerek!
Time to kick some casino arse mate! >:D
Cheers my friend,
Marven
Quote from: TwoCatSam on February 14, 2009, 03:12:28 AM
jerek
Great! Looking forward to it.
Sam
Hello Sam,
I took a break to refine the system further,I think confidence is very important in gambling and after some polishing you can bet with confidence without a shadow of doubt.
Why is it that we are unable to attach full size images anymore?
Quote from: Marven on February 14, 2009, 03:46:34 AM
Welcome back Jerek!
Time to kick some casino arse mate! >:D
Cheers my friend,
Marven
Hello Marven my friend,
Kicking casino's arse is too harsh a word to use LOL ;D
We are minnnows to the casino even with all the skills,money and experience of the whole VLS forum.
You are lucky enough to get away with some profits constantly and not getting your arse kick by them ;)
The fact is I learn some great stuff from lucky strike and I do think and agree that a static bet is no better than anything at random.
It has steer me out of sticky situations many a times during the tests and with a more conservative progression makes the system stronger by any means though its no holy grail.
Proper stop loss at 30% bankroll will keep you alive and you can win it back without much effort with a few sessions.
Hello Jerek
Nice to see ya around
Good luck with it again
I Will be watchin intently
Your friend
TSK
Welcome back Jerek,
Congratulations on your decision, really smart move!
You sound more confident than ever buddy... :)
Good luck,
m
Hey Jerek ;)
That was a pretty looking graph :o
Glad to see you posting again.... 8)
jerek
I do not know why the images no longer appear full size. I tried and it came out the same. I'll keep working on it.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on February 14, 2009, 04:26:19 PM
jerek
I do not know why the images no longer appear full size. I tried and it came out the same. I'll keep working on it.
Sam
Hello Sam,
I think the move might be used to save some web space
Quote from: mistarlupo on February 14, 2009, 08:56:28 AM
Welcome back Jerek,
Congratulations on your decision, really smart move!
You sound more confident than ever buddy... :)
Good luck,
m
Na mate.....Its same the same soup I am making but it just taste better ;D
Again this is no holy grail,it will tank like all other systems
Hello all,
I have just finish 5000 live wheel spins.
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Nice Jerek, good on you mate
Quote from: MXkid77 on February 19, 2009, 05:06:04 PM
Nice Jerek, good on you mate
Defintely not doing as good as you mate.
You have tested hundred of thousand spins on your system.What is 5000?
Unfortunately, i am all tested out on that system. It's very time consuming, so i have put a hold on playing it and developing more until i can get it coded.
Quote from: MXkid77 on February 19, 2009, 05:13:59 PM
Unfortunately, I am all tested out on that system. It's very time consuming, so I have put a hold on playing it and developing more until I can get it coded.
Yeah Dean,coding is a problem fo non IT folks like me as well.
Wow, this thread keeps getting better and better. I can create an automated bot for the system if interested which will play on BetVoyager RNG completely automatically. Betvoyager off a NO zero RNG which is GENUINE, it uses some clever hash type algorithm to ensure the numbers you get are genuinely random. PM me :)
Quote from: mikeyboy on March 03, 2009, 07:07:24 PM
Wow, this thread keeps getting better and better. I can create an automated bot for the system if interested which will play on BetVoyager RNG completely automatically. Betvoyager off a NO zero RNG which is GENUINE, it uses some clever hash type algorithm to ensure the numbers you get are genuinely random. PM me :)
'hash type algorithm' what is this?is it marajuana?
?where is MURP .Colin
Hi See_Jerek, gosh.. are you using real money??
Quote from: bobbybobby on March 05, 2009, 09:36:04 AM
Hi See_Jerek, gosh.. are you using real money??
Hello Bobby,
If I am not mistaken you are from Singapore as well.You should be familiar with IBC Casino then.There is no play mode
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Early this week I have already started playing,but I had forgetten to take a screen shot of my starting BR.I started at 1000.This is the 4th day playing
I have already done 50 sessions so I need to do another 50
Session 1
Start BR $1000
End BR $1886
Profit +$886
Hangeth in there!
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Session 2
Start BR $1886
End BR $2051
Profit +$165
This session credit goes to my roulette bot pro.I did nothing at all ;)
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Quote from: Boo_Ray on March 06, 2009, 07:44:28 AM
you had to start it ;D ;D[smiley=cheesy.gif]
well life without real roulette is real boring.Just test test test is no fun all systems end up in 1 place don't they? ;)
Quote from: See_Jerek on March 06, 2009, 07:46:31 AM
well life without real roulette is real boring.Just test test test is no fun all systems end up in 1 place don't they? ;)
I mean you had to start the bot :D so credit goes to you ;)
Quote from: Boo_Ray on March 06, 2009, 07:48:16 AM
I mean you had to start the bot :D so credit goes to you ;)
If you ask me about the bot.I think its quite a good pc of software to have,after all our forum member Tiago design it.It works and can grind some profits every now and then.However I will not leave the bot with large amounts of money and go to sleep,you might get a big surprise in the morning,it has bankrupt you!
I do not mind make 50 dollars in maybe 2 to 3 hours,its still money without effort.Poit has use the same bot and achieve a certain level of success,hopefully he can share his secrets with us.
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Was playing a bit of this
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/turbo's-place/(turbogenius)-pushing-the-limits-6-streets-18-numbers/msg41710/?topicseen#msg41710 (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/turbo's-place/(turbogenius)-pushing-the-limits-6-streets-18-numbers/msg41710/?topicseen#msg41710)
but with a progression
Session 3
Start BR $2051
End BR $2479
Profit +$422
Thank you guys for your kind moral support!!!!!!
nice nice :D
btw whats up with the dealers hat ;D
That dealer is a pleasant break from the uni-colored girls I'm used to looking at. Also, the field in the background is much better than a phony casino.
Do all the girls wear the same outfit or are they free to dress as they wish. I like the pearls and ear rings.
Sam
Sam
The girls all wear the same but they change the theme now and again(valentines day etc).
Not sure why they are wearing this particular get-up the last few days tho lol
TSK
Easter?
@ Sam
could well be mate :)
TSK
Quote from: t0p_man on March 08, 2009, 07:21:24 AM
Becareful of IBC RNG roulette. I believe the outcome is programmed to make you lose. It is very quick, 5 seconds per spin.
Hello Top man,
I do not play much RNGs but thanks anyway for reminder :thumbsup:
keep going Bro ;-)
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Made some withdrawal will start with $900 this week
Hey bro!
Long time didn't hear from you... How does the gambling contest go? Any updates? Hope you're still hitting them hard
I wish I could play some arse kicking roulette however due to lousy incident of getting scammed recently turn me off the whole thing.
But.....I'll be back!
Quote from: See_Jerek on April 17, 2009, 03:46:15 PM
I wish I could play some arse kicking roulette however due to lousy incident of getting scammed recently turn me off the whole thing.
But.....I'll be back!
that's was down to Bobby not roulette Jerek....
Hope your back at the tables ASAP... 8)
Soonest I hope ;)
Hi, I've read a bit and found out that you were scammed by bobby. Thanks for the thread. Recently I've received a PM from a member with the nick "rouletteplayer00" and his message was "Hi , I am new here, what is this forum about?". I had no prior contact with this guys and my post in this forum is limited. Theres certainly something fishy about this guy too.
;D hi guyz , im new here . Seems like we are same casino website . Im also playing in ibccasino how's playing in that casino ?????? how was all your games ler????
why no one replying on this thread ???????????? huiuhuhuhuhu just want to pick some tips please????
ace. you have to place chips on the board layout my friend and hope for the best. ;D or even better dont place any chips at all just play fun money for now.
mattjono
Ace,what do you wanna know? :smile:
Hi See_Jerek, I wanted to know if the ibccasino online is good because already register an account with them . :thumbsup:
well it all depends on your agent.The casino itself is ok.Where is your location?
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Jerek, sure, it says:
@Victor, my friend, please leave this right here, as I want to know the opinion from the followers of this thread.
Thanks.
"LOOKING FOR THE BLACK SWAN"
Looking for the Black Swan system: Bankroll: 3000 units. Amount of spins to play daily: 175 spins. Target: amount of units won equalized with the amount of spins bet. I introduce two types of strategy, first one, it plays continuously, second one is aimed to the times we have three against us in a row.
First issue: low dispersion of figures, it makes us to lose in our personal actuals if we play continuously, in the long run, fact we know.
Advantage: If one plays one or two times a week doesn't have problems.
If after 175 spins one couldn't reach the target, whenever you resume play, you retake from wherever you were last time, rising the unit value in +1.
" Be careful with table limits "
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If you wish to see the system applied to dozens, it is at the spanish forum.
Warm greetings, Edgardo.
Well guys, that's it. May this space serve to remind you we have implemented our
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Kind regards and glad to serve :).
Your friend,
Victor
Hey everyone . . Ok I'm newbie on here so even though I'm english sometimes terminology used on here to describing roulette methods takes some getting used to. I understand the progression part but can't get my head around it all? assuming utilizing the streets etc? apologs if asking silly question here. . . but would like to understand bit clearer system. Is the basics of the system knocking about in downloads area? I have read the entire post 1-27 pages very interesting and inspiring to say the least as is the whole forum. Appreciate any snippet of help on this many thanks in advance!
cheers :biggrin: