Forum
I was asked by the owner of this software to give it a test and give a full and truthful report to the forum. Victor suggested to the owner that he contact me which he did. He sent me the software and set up an account at BetVoyager for me to use.
As an administrator of this forum, let me state emphatically I am not endorsing this software. I am not connected in any way and make no money from this. I did receive software which I cannot use as it only works at BetVoyager, and, as an American, I cannot play there.
This software is very easy to use and the instruction manual leaves little to question. You decide how you want to bet and what bankroll you choose to risk and start it up. From there, if you can, walk away and let it play. It is fascinating to watch!! I intend to make a short movie so you may see for yourself.
The first thing I did was configure the software so I felt it would lose. I used a small bankroll and too large a bet. This was to test BetVoyager to see if they would let me win in play mode no matter what I did. The system tanked twice. I then input the settings the owner suggested.
Today is Easter eve, Sat**day. At around 11:30 today I set it to run while I went to dinner. It is now around midnight and I am approaching 5,000 spins for the day. I am up $273.00 using a dime as my betting level. A ten-cent bet. Be sure you understand that.
I know 5,000 spins is not a definitive test, but the owner said the settings I am using are the weakest and he gave me the strong ones. I will program them in tomorrow while I attend another dinner and we shall see.
I am sure some of you will view this as a commercial or and endorsement of the software; it is not. This is a report on a test run by me just as I reported on the G.U.T. and others. I am very aware that I have made a policy of "no selling" on this forum. As I told Thomas Grant, I am torn between a strict "no selling" policy and a policy of testing a product and reporting on it. I also said no person should be expected to pay a programmer to created this software and then give it away. He would also be giving away his expertise, which is worth something.
I will take the heat for doing this. Lanky had first shot at it, but passed the ball to me as he is not on friendly terms with computers and his health prevents him from sitting long hours at the screen. Victor has to many fish to fry as it is. I gladly accepted the job.
Tomorrow I will post more and put up screen shots. I will answer any questions.
Matt, you may ring in at your convince.
Sam
Ahh, umm,
Not sure if that meant you liked it or not?
From what your saying, it seems to work ok.
I have seen your posts on GUT.
And the videos.
Very good.
As for Super Roulette.
I also have no affiliate status to this software.
Personally, I do not see what the problem is.
This forum is supposed to be on Roulette and related topics.
So that means, any program, system, idea,
or anything else that has to do with roulette.
QuoteAs I told Thomas Grant, I am torn between a strict "no selling" policy and a policy of testing a product and reporting on it. I also said no person should be expected to pay a programmer to created this software and then give it away. He would also be giving away his expertise, which is worth something.
So does that mean any comment on this software from me,
would therefore be a sales pitch.
Hmmm, bit harsh.
Since there is no affiliate program for this software.
I think it would be safe to say, that this can fall under something that we can discuss
without being reduced to a sales pitch from any one.
So if at all possible I would like to comment on the software.
Including the price, the way it works.
And the results that I get.
Will post after Easter.
As I have yet to purchase it.
And give it a good run for the money I try it with.
If this is fair.
Then can I continue?
Hi guys
I look forward to your results.
I for one would love to purchase a piece of code that makes me money while I eat and sleep.....just havent found one that works consistently yet!!
Good luck
TSK
rules have been broken here test or no test this system is for sale priced £250 this is system advertiseing full stop i was given 50 lashes on back and my posts were barred for 2 weeks cause i spoke out this is wrong and dont care how good or bad it is i have emailed victor on this its seems once again 1 rule for one other rules for the rest of us.. but it will be a waste of time because we know who will win i have to be carefull as i will be put back in my cage again ie barred for speaking the truth i just wish someone else wood have the bottle to as well .... murph
Guys
I am attaching a shot of the graph, the software and the casino. You can see that the figures match. I am testing more today.
[attachimg=#]
Thomas Grant
You may post any findings you have in the future. Just don't tell me to "get my facts straight". Things like that--if they absolutely need to be said--are best done in PMs.
murph
I was one of the first to PM you and ask to test your software. You chose to use "smoke and mirrors" rather than submit to a real test as this fellow has. I still have the e-mails where you tried to sell this fellow the corner system for $500--something that is published on this forum. That is not right.
I said I would pay you the first 100 pounds I ever made using your corner system. If I could get on BetVoyager and play, and if I made the asking price of this software, I would gladly pay that, too. murph, the day I make that 100 pounds, I will pay you.
You see, I remember the trick you pulled that time. You had software and when I pressed you to post it, you sent me the "Bookies Corner System" which I can assure you you did not write. The language is far above you. (No offense meant, just the truth.)
murph, if you have winning software send it to me. I am not one to pass it around. If it's good, I'll pay that $500 or pounds when I make it at the casino. This is a win/win for you.
By the way, you were censured for calling me "bully boy". I'll not tolerate abuse.
Talk to Victor all you want; he's aware--or didn't you read the part where he put me and the owner together?
Sam
Quote from: thomasgrant
So does that mean any comment on this software from me,
would therefore be a sales pitch.
Hmmm, bit harsh.
It's not harsh it's true. You are an affiliate of everything, everything you write is biased and cannot be trusted. It's your job to sell other people's products and you will do it by deception if you need to. You only post in software threads, you never contribute any ideas or systems or theories about roulette in general. You are no better than the ten million scammers out there. You want to post about this bot...why? Because you're an affiliate. It's so obvious that it's sickening. You're an unreliable source of information.
As for the bot, how about an explaination of the systems is plays? What is the flat betting straight up system? Is it the GUT? Course it is. How was Winkel compensated for the usage of his idea? If he wasn't compensated, then the owner of this bot has basically taken Winkel's system and sold it. That is plain thievery and it's unethical. This whole situtation is unethical. Me as a person, I'm getting sick of seeing adverts for stuff on here and the affiliates spewing out contrived garbage. It's the same parasites over and over. There are douches all over the net trying to sell you stuff, it's everywhere you look and now it's here. This might be dressed up as a review thread but as long as the owner gets coverage he'll be happy.
waht happens sam is you dont like the truth waht you going to do barr me again and go crying to victor you owe me £100 for my corner system for 2 years ago still not got still waiting i have not once sold my corner system for money do i have to say taht slowley for you not sold get it good ... now you seem to have one rule fopr and rule for others everyone knows you by now you are system selling full stop this software is £250 to buy no system selling also eveyone if my posts are barrd we all know why stand up do not take this please show me prood paypal recipt anything you have untill then stop testing a system which is for sale priced £250 .... murph
Sam,
Thanks for introducing the software and giving an accurate and succint rundown of your experiences so far using it.
I look forward to following your progress as you work through the systems and am more than happy to answer any and all questions from forum members as they arise.
For those of you not familiar with Super Roulette; it is designed to work with the no-zero roulette game, is fully automated and encompasses four in-built, highly configurable strategies, three of which are truly unique to the automated software realm.
Thanks kindly
Matt
Go away please and take this crap with you
6
Well, I said I would take the heat............
This man has stolen nothing, I assure you. He has asked me not to disclose his ideas and I won't, but it is not the G.U.T. This software falls under the idea: "If I only had the time and patience....." category as it really does have the time and patience. No emotion or agenda.
Now, let me assure the forum that if this had been a piece of crap, I would have reported same. Matt told me right up front that it would tank from time to time, but in the finally tally it won more than it lost.
Bots are the future for on-line gambling. Soon they will be able to play at Dublin, if they don't already. My goal in this post is to say to the members: Here is something. Here's what it does. You decide if you want to buy it or not. And, yes, we're splitting hairs here and I don't like it. But I would like it less if I knew of a good thing and did not report on it. What if I said, "Hey, Dudes! I got a piece of software and I'm making $50 a day just letting it run, BUT you can't even know who has it for sale."
I will program in the "better" method today and let it run for five to six thousand spins. If it tanks, I'll let you know.
Sam
thanks number six you are right we are not intrested go away and sell some where esle on google or something .... murph
Sam,
You are now endorsing this software, no doubt.
thank you number six god I thought I was the only one standing up here of course he is be carefull as your will posts barred like I was for 2 weeks ...murph
If they want to ban me, they can. I'm not going to lose sleep over it. There is something wrong here and I'm speaking out against it. If that's a bannable offence then I'll go willingly.
and go crying to victor
murph
This is highly offensive to me. I don't need to go to Victor, I can muzzle you forever! Read carefully. I said the first hundred pounds I made, I would send to you. I have sent you nothing as I have made nothing.
Number Six
I bought the Chicco Flash software and I once stated that if it was a killer I would post just that. I've bought several systems and reported on them. The only difference is I did not buy this one.
I am not endorsing anything; I am saying this is what the software did yesterday. There is no way I could fake that graph. It's an honest representation of what the thing can do. murph is the one who's pricing it, not me. I've only heard rumors.
Sam
you have done no offfence but be aware number six then is one rule for one and one rule for all others you say am priceing it go two super roulette on google the price is £250 all see for your selves .... murph
QuoteYou may post any findings you have in the future. Just don't tell me to "get my facts straight". Things like that--if they absolutely need to be said--are best done in PMs.
No problems TwoCat.
As you can see, I have removed my link from the sig.
Just following the rules. Or at least attempting to.
Glad you started this topic.
As you can see, there are a few that may consider your actions an endorsement of the bot.
I am not sure that they have read what you have said.
Matt seems on the up and up.
And that is why he sent it to you, to test.
And to give it a honest review.
The screen shot looks encouraging.
So I look forward to outcome of your investigation.
Quote from: murph on April 12, 2009, 10:48:36 AM
you have done no offfence but be aware number six then is one rule for one and one rule for all others you say am priceing it go two super roulette on google the price is £250 all see for your selves .... murph
Please note that murph, not I or the owner, has told us how to buy this software.
Sam
I'm not saying you're on the take, Sam. I believe you're an honest person, I'm not questioning your integrity. But I'm sure I'm not alone in sometimes feeling almost harassed by sellers and affiliates here. Scammers should be exposed. Nothing else, no reviews, no affiliates. It won't be long before a hundred sellers are asking you to review their products and offering to pay for encouraging words. You see, this guy, whoever is selling this latest bot, has got you doing his advertising for him.
waht you on about now two cat you just get better as you go on whoies the one who stated the thred not me whos the one whos telling everyone how good or bad it is not me whos advertising this web site not me i wonder who is to be honest am not geting involved anymore as i will be barred again or my posts like last time you are dieing to bar me eveyone knows this but i wont lose sleep remeber folks one rule for one no rules for the rest of us .... murph
My two cents on "selling"...
As I've told the other mods and Vic, I am personally okay with the selling of bots/software. I'm NOT okay with the selling of systems or ideas. A bot is an actual program/software that someone had to build. I am fine with paying for something like that.
I would pay for a bot that I could program with my own systems. I wouldn't buy a bot that only played the programmers ways.
Matty
OK, we're smoothing out ripples.
Forum
NO, I will not send anyone this software. First, I couldn't if I wanted to as it is just like Chicco's--it runs on one computer and one only. Copying it will do something--I don't know what. But I wouldn't do that if I could.
I'm actually trying to do something constructive here. You could program this sucker to bet pennies, yes 1 cent bets, and you're chances of loosing would be almost nil. What would you make? A hell of a lot better than a CD at the Bank even after buying a computer and paying for the electricity. Yesterday, pennies would have earned about $28 on a thousand dollar investment and the draw down would have been quite small.
Now, those are the facts to date. Let's see what they do in the future. You see, I could have tested for days and then said good or nothing at all. That would be wrong. I need to apprise you on a daily basis.
murph
You're going too far threatening people. I offer again, send me your software and I'll test it just like this one. No giveaways! If I make money from it, I'll buy it and endorse it. murph, that's call win/win for you. murph, if you're not afraid of a fair test, then send it along. Matt is/was not!
Quote from: MattyMattz on April 12, 2009, 11:00:31 AM
My two cents on "selling"...
As I've told the other mods and Vic, I am personally okay with the selling of bots/software. I'm NOT okay with the selling of systems or ideas. A bot is an actual program/software that someone had to build. I am fine with paying for something like that.
I would pay for a bot that I could program with my own systems. I wouldn't buy a bot that only played the programmers ways.
Matty
Hey good news on that front Matty...
Tiago the designer and programmer of the bot that TwoCat is currently testing. Is considering putting together a group of like minded people. So they can get his latest bot and try different systems.
Contact Tiago and find out more.
two cat when you pay me the £100 you owe me from 2 years ago ill think about it but untill then you will never get waht I have so please carry on your system testing for super roulette and threats waht threats all memebers read post i have said nothng once again this is his trick to get me barred .... murph
Quote from: thomasgrant on April 12, 2009, 11:04:36 AM
Hey good news on that front Matty...
Tiago the designer and programmer of the bot that TwoCat is currently testing. Is considering putting together a group of like minded people. So they can get his latest bot and try different systems.
Contact Tiago and find out more.
UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!!!!! You are by far the worse of the lot.
You are endless.
Your cheek is insulting.
And learn to type in proper.
Sentences. So your.
Words doen't sound. Senseless.
Like these
Number Six
Matt originally posted and I told Victor of it. I told him I was weary and did not want to argue any more with people. (Here I am doing it again!) I told him I would agree with his decision. Matt or Victor pulled the post.
Then Victor told Matt to contact me.
I feel you are wrong about people contacting me. I don't need money; I know that's a prideful thing to say, but my living is made in retirement, Social Security and disability checks. A few hundred would not matter. Those who are scammers would never get close to me as I would tell the truth. After all, muprh will not send his "software" for evaluation.
I am starting the Bot and leaving this thread for a while. It is Easter and I want to be a peace with the world.
Sam
Murph,
I know you're here in an attempt to sell your worthless system. Give it up. There are plenty of worthless systems that are available for free.
Stop trying to sell it in the chat.
am not selling anythng its not my site wake up read posts am not the owner the owner is called matt have you just got out of bed ask sam he will tell you it has nothing to do with me .... murph
You're trying to sell it in the chat.
That's where you've been trying to move it.
are you a bit thick is nothing to do with me two cat sam will tell you this go back to bed and wake up I have not even spoke in chat today waht on earth are you on about lol lol
I've received email from people that claimed you were trying to scam them with an absurd system. They claimed that you were pushing it in the chat.
herb no offence but I have not got a clue waht you are about am not intrested please try something esle I dont even know you so please dont get there and surgest you do something esle with you day or are you on two cats side nice try we know who you are woking for and who are you are you a mode in the forum or something never heard of you go back in your cage .... murph
Did I happen to mention that I have transcripts of the chat from some people? :o
i gotta back up herb on this one,this murph guy is dodgy i heard...and i dont think this is about sides here,we are not kids lol..at least we have a trusted member of the forum testing the software before some poor sod goes off to spend money on it :thumbsup:
now lets start again this post is about system advertising then all of a sudden its swiced onto murph I wonder why is has nothing to with me all please read posts then a new memeber who I dont even know or heard of buts in who is he lol lol this just gets better i know who he is spinmywin system seller read his name lol lol this is even better .... murph
Shall I post the transcripts?
thanks number six its a set up on me can everyone see this ... murph
No six i aint the bot owner lol,im just a normal person who has been scammed before like a lot of people on here im sure...well i know on another forum i wont give the name of...another person claimed you were a scammer but that thread was since removed for some reason,why i duno... :-\
go away you have not even wet your pants in here yet i dont even know you are you me and you are saying things who you trying to kid its a set up lol nice try .... murph
Spinawinplz,
Are you taking the f*cking piss or what?
Someone said I was a scammer?
;D
By the way, what am I selling?
you see six you say someone is calling you now i dont even know this guys its a joke its a set up ... lol murph
I am not a mod.
But could we at least stay on topic here.
Leave the slagging match on who said what and where to somewhere else.
I think there is a place in the forum for this.
apologies six,someone said that about murph..no offence mate :)
well you are wrong and you have no proof so dont come on here with your lies please look at his name spinmywin is a software programe system seller nice try go away .... murph
Quote from: thomasgrant
I am not a mod.
But could we at least stay on topic here.
Leave the slagging match on who said what and where to somewhere else.
I think there is a place in the forum for this.
Why are you scared that it's going awry? Think it will hurt sales?
Why don't you and you seller mates just piss off to ebay? Plenty of old garbage being sold there.
this is getting worse six had enough of all this bull s...t people comeing on here making stories up as they go along new menebers and so on ive had enough of this ... murph
Murph,
Have you crashed the forum recently. You know, because of people rushing to learn about your system and overwhelming the server?
herb lets get one thing stright when i gave my system away nearley two years ago on here my corner system for free and you can still get for free on here the forum did crash ok ... so please get your facts right before talking rubbish you wood de brains to come up with waht i did this is the last post to you as you are wasteing my time ...murph
Quote from: TwoCatSam on April 12, 2009, 10:36:25 AM
Bots are the future for on-line gambling.
Sam
Sorry Sam,
that is not true.
If you make a withdrawl and the OC checks you style to play, then they will see that you are using a Bot-Machine.
In most T&C the using of bots is not allowed and called cheating.
They won´t pay you out, not even your own cash you payed in.
So buying a bot is wasting money twice: once on the bot and once your Bankroll
BTW: betvoyager has a build-in-Bot
You can place a bet and play for as long as you want.
br
winkel
My two cents on system sellers: - While I sympathise with N6, the reality is you're never going to get rid of them, and like prostitutes (no offense intended ;)), where they're banned they will just go underground, and this causes all kinds of problems. So why not create a section for sellers where they can be "policed"? There could be a requirement that they donate to the forum (in exchange for advertising), and I suggest that either (a) The seller should offer a money back guarantee which will be honoured (preferably through Clickbank) or, failing that (b) The system should be tested by a moderator (or other trusted member) to check that the claims hold up.
If these safeguards are in place, I don't see a problem. If things are left as they are, you're just going to get more threads like this.
Well, the Russians have found an excellent way of dealing with parasites - serious criminals, terrorists and the like. They have teams of specialist FSB commandos that go round surgically removing them from society.
Quote from: Number Six on April 12, 2009, 02:12:01 PM
Well, the Russians have found an excellent way of dealing with parasites - serious criminals, terrorists and the like. They have teams of specialist FSB commandos that go round surgically removing them from society.
And 90% of the so removed people are not guilty!
Congratulations. Don´t talk about matters you don´t know!
Well, we've gone from a simple test to Russians rounding up people.
winkel,
Your point is well taken. I'm sure if they KNEW you were using a bot, they would not pay. But--your statement is an admission that bots might actually work. Is it not?
People!! This is a test; it is only a test. Hell, it might fail. What then?
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on April 12, 2009, 03:30:18 PM
I'm sure if they KNEW you were using a bot, they would not pay. But--your statement is an admission that bots might actually work. Is it not?
Sam
Hi Sam,
in German forums there is told, that they just claim that you used a bot.
They don´t have to proof. They just say: It is impossible to bet 8 hours every 30 seconds one bet in the same rhythm of time.
Just to play for hours betting every spin lets them say: There is a bot.
Especially they refuse the payment of wins over some hundred euros/$.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on April 12, 2009, 03:30:18 PMbots might actually work
Of course bots do work: They bet and bet and bet and bet to the limits you put in or the money is gone.
e.g. your screenshot shows the normal wavement of a progression. Prog works most times and you can win for months with it, until it kills you.
But I don´t know Bots which are programmable with any strategy or are already programmed to use a "winning system". I just know bots which bet on ECs doz col streets and lines - favourites or sleepers - with or without a progression.
br
winkel
The following is a test using the parameters Matt gave me. Frankly, I don't like it as well as I do the first one I tested. It is very slow compared to the first one and the draw down seems rather large. However, it did produce 100 units of profit in about three hours.
I just discovered I put in $120.80 instead of 1280.10. That is why the graph is starting so low. Tough to concentrate when rocks are flying!!
[attachimg=#]
Sam,
Whether a test or not, the thread has already been "corrupted", no matter what the outcome.
I don't take the harsh view adopted by N6, if only because not all system sellers set out to deliberately scam people (in the sense of "obtaining money by deceit"). They may not have tested their system properly, the sequence from hell may be just around the corner, but they haven't discovered it yet. But up until now, it's done pretty well, so why not make a few extra £/$?
Also, as someone has pointed out, it takes time, effort and skill to write software. Shouldn't the programmer be entitled to some reward for that, at least?
I have to admit that I find the attitude of "if it's for sale, it must be a scam" slightly odd. Is money a dirty word? many are here in the hope of finding a winning system, but we expect the fruits of what may be a lot of hard work to be simply given away? Plus, you have to take into account that the seller (particularly if there is software involved), may need to give after-sales support. This takes time, and most people don't have the time to be that philanthropic.
Quote from: Winkel on April 12, 2009, 02:35:43 PM
And 90% of the so removed people are not guilty!
Congratulations. Don´t talk about matters you don´t know!
Show me the proof of their innocence please
"Show me proof of their guilt........blah blah blah"
It is enough to be oponent to the government to get murdered or brought to prisons or psychiatrie.
I don´t have to proof it, it is general knowledge
br
winkel
All bots are good for is to allow lazy people to lose automatically. People want bots because they can't be bothered playing manually. And if they say it's because they get emotional, then they clearly don't have the discipline to play fullstop.
Anyone who is gullible enough to think a bot will "make you money while you sleep" needs a slap in the face and a good wake-up call...no pun intended.
Bots are good ( or ... they can be good ) only against RNG.
Wow, this has certainly invoked some vigourous discussion!
I just want to make a few things clear of how this testing all came about and also emphatically state that Sam is not getting anything from me for testing this software. There is no affiliate program with me or with any casino. The software is what it is, a tool to help us (yes all of us) gain an edge over the casino and make a few extra bucks.
I originally put a link in the "Other Software for Roulette" section as I thought this is what the section was for. However the post was pulled due to forum policy and I have no problem with that. I contacted Victor and explained this was not a SCAM or tied up with any casino affiliation and was a legitimate tool for the no-zero wheel, that I think people would be interested in. I asked him to appraise it for me and then write an honest review.
He sent me a message back, suggesting Sam be the one to test the software. I had never met Sam, but I contacted him and explained my case and he was kind enough to run with it. I set him up with the software and online instruction manual and he has been testing it now for a few days. He and I are not profit sharing or anything of the like - he has no commercial interest in the software's success or failure - he is simply testing an idea on a forum that he moderates. People can read into it whatever they want, call me a scammer, sytem seller or whatever. This testing only came about to prove the software was not a SCAM. I know it works, it actually doesn't need more testing, but it did need verification that it was legitimate, before it could be discussed. And it is being discussed but probably not in the way I had hoped.
Also please don't accuse Sam of not having integrity, as already stated he is simply the tester driving the car.
Matt
Quote from: Number Six on April 12, 2009, 06:16:55 PM
Anyone who is gullible enough to think a bot will "make you money while you sleep" needs a slap in the face and a good wake-up call...no pun intended.
N6, you are entitled to your opinion, but I turned 200 units into 1400 units over a 5 night stretch, all played while I slept :)
Super-roulette,
Are you the Matt who sells roulette bot pro? If you are then you'll know that I don't think you're a scammer. The bot's architecture is not the point at stake here. It's the selling. There isn't a single place you can go on the net without someone peddling their products. It's tiresome. Why can't we have a haven?
Anyone who is serious about making profits from roulette isn't going to do it by using a bot (unless yours has AI that can match human brainpower, which we'll presume it doesn't). It's not that easy. You can't just push a button and watch the profits roll in. Why do I think this? Because a bot isn't intelligent, it has no intuition, it can't tell when the spin outcomes are turning hostile, it can't go virtual at a moment's notice and then attack again when the conditions have improved, it can't take advantages of trends and streaks ad-hoc, it can't use variation, it can't see opportunities a human can see, it can't calculate anything beyond what it has been programmed to calculate. Basically it can't think and it doesn't understand the game it is playing. People say mechanical systems are doomed, and a bot is about as mechanical as you can get. Human players find it difficult enough to win even when they have instincts and their wits about them.
The list of reasons why bots are ineffective and will end up losing massively is endless. Why people think they are a viable way of winning is beyond my comprehension.
Quote from: Number Six on April 12, 2009, 10:14:01 PM
Super-roulette,
Are you the Matt who sells roulette bot pro?
No different Matt.
Quote from: Number Six on April 12, 2009, 10:14:01 PM
People say mechanical systems are doomed, and a bot is about as mechanical as you can get.
Maybe with a negative expectation game. No-zero roulette is exactly that -
no zero - even odds. My experience is showing a cleverly programmed bot will win more than it loses, on a no-zero wheel.
Quote from: Number Six on April 12, 2009, 10:14:01 PM
The list of reasons why bots are ineffective and will end up losing massively is endless. Why people think they are a viable way of winning is beyond my comprehension.
I am winning consistenly - does that mean other's wont? And how do you define winning? If I am regularly taking more out than I am putting in, that is winning isn't it?
N6 you assume alot about the software without having any knowledge or experience using it. Maybe your opinion is coloured from past experiences, but you need to be open to the possibility it may actually work.
Quote from: Number Six on April 12, 2009, 10:14:01 PM
You can't just push a button and watch the profits roll in. Why do I think this? Because a bot isn't intelligent, it has no intuition, it can't tell when the spin outcomes are turning hostile, it can't go virtual at a moment's notice and then attack again when the conditions have improved, it can't take advantages of trends and streaks ad-hoc, it can't use variation, it can't see opportunities a human can see, it can't calculate anything beyond what it has been programmed to calculate.
This is the reason the BOT does work. Nothing is totally random, patterns are always evident in a sample of spins; the BOT relies on logic as the cornerstone of it's success. These 'abilities' that you mention: intelligence and intuition - human's have them in spades, but they don't ensure success - do they? Most people I know lose alot more often than they win. Maybe they are over-thinking there gameplay?
Super Roulette is an effective tool for taking advantage of even odds, without having to sit in a casino or in front of your PC for hours. Don't over analyse it. I know it is effective, but I also understand the skepticism alot of people have - let's see how Sam's testing goes...
Matt
Well, take a look.
Number Six
The only suspicion I have in this bot is not about the bot itself; it is about the casino. Would they intentionally beat you if you played for real money?
Look at today's sheet. I screwed with this horribly and had it down some before I quite changing settings and let it run. Still, look at the profit:
[attachimg=#]
TwoCat your results are in FUN mode.
You mentioned that you are unable to get a real account.
The tests that I will be conducting will be with real money.
Will this be ok?
I have just seen it now :(
You are in FUN mode!
RNG usually ( I mean, always ) play different from FUN to REAL :(
I'm sorry but all your tests are useless now, you have to use in REAL mode ... it's the only way to see the true results.
whats that fun mode I cant stop laughing this just gets better .... murph
It says in their FAQ that the algorithms are identical for fun and real money. I know I'm starting to sound like a shill, but it's not intentional. ;)
Exactly Tangram,
I am an old BV user,
Trust me if you want but there's no difference between fun or real mode at BV, they use a system they call " randomness control ", at the roulette game, you receive the numbers ( 10 in a row, encrypted ) BEFORE you place your bets.
I think it's the unique online casino to do that with their RNG, more info about randomness control here ( that's not an affiliate link lol ): nolinks://nolinks.betvoyager.com/games/randomness/roulette/ (nolinks://nolinks.betvoyager.com/games/randomness/roulette/)
Just a question for Matt, your explanations about no trial version on your website don't convince me, do you think you will sell many bots without trial, no money back guarantee and for use at 1 casino only ?
For me, without trial, nobody will buy this bot ( excepted ThomasGrant ;) ). I am personally interested by the bot, but I'll never spend $250 without a try before.
At Betvoyager no difference from Fun and Real mode, already tested.
In playtech roulette the rng engine is different, local pc for fun mode and server for real money.
Matt,
I might come across as a guy who has bought a bot before and lost money, therefore I'm bitter and bearing a grudge. I assure you that this is not the case. I have never bought a roulette bot and never will. My opinions are not opinions, they are facts based on logic and ten years experience of randomness and software robots through my professional life as a decoder. I've given another bot seller a hard time here, so it's nothing personal. All bots excel in only one department: operational speed. In everything else, compared to a human brain, they fail and they fail miserably. That you can't crack roulette by simply waiting for event (a) and then betting (b) is elemental; and it doesn't matter that there is no house edge. This is all a bot can do....wait, bet, wait, bet and on and on. It has no concept of betting tactics and strategy or any of the ingredients required to be a roulette winner. Your bot does not and absolutely never will rely on logic to win, as you claim. Because it is so mechanical, it relies on the spin outcomes to be favourable at all times. The engines that drive all roulette bots are fuelled by pure, unadulterated luck. When you're in luck you win, when your luck is out you lose. Anyone who uses a bot is skating on very thin ice. The bare truth of the matter is that roulette bots are just a fad among lazy and gullible people. They think a bot will provide all the solutions to their problems. It's true that most bot users in this context tend to be deluded and so blinded by their winning sessions that they think the bot is invincible...that it will always go on winning more that it loses. This belief is naive and dangerous. You can dress up your bot in fancy marketing and figures but at the end of the day it will suddenly turn on you and bite your nose off. My old boss sometimes said: software bots are like lame dogs; eventually we have to put them down. Maybe a bit distasteful, but 100% accurate. There is no point to roulette bots whatsoever. But people will still buy them because they are deluded and think they are the exception to the rule. That somehow the bot will win them a few hundred $$$ every week.
As for BV, I have also played there in the past and it does seem that the algorithms used for real and fun mode are identical, but their randomness control is a gimmick I wouldn't put any trust in. They are licensed by a reputable gaming centre but they are not audited by a third party. I played there for a few months and then quit. It is easy for a casino to manipulate an RNG. In the gaming world, RNG roulette is by far the biggest scam going.
Quote from: FakeNick on April 13, 2009, 03:08:25 AM
I have just seen it now :(
You are in FUN mode!
RNG usually ( I mean, always ) play different from FUN to REAL :(
I'm sorry but all your tests are useless now, you have to use in REAL mode ... it's the only way to see the true results.
The test results are still valid.
I have seen no noticeable difference whatsoever between fun and real mode playing no-zero roulette.
Matt
QuoteFor me, without trial, nobody will buy this bot ( excepted ThomasGrant Wink ). I am personally interested by the bot, but I'll never spend $250 without a try before.
Well, yeah, why not.
I have not seen or tested a trial version.
Tiago put me onto this one.
So blame him if you wish.
I did ask Matt to send me a version to trial.
But since my opinions in this forum are apparently so bias.
That Matt sent it of to TwoCatt instead.
And that works fine for me.
As for the price.
Well it is not the cheapest bot I have seen.
I am sure there was a post in vls somewhere.
About a roulette service, that could provide accurate forecast of numbers.
Well, at least give you 80% of a chance.
And if I recall, the service charged some $200 a month.
Not sure who posted that link to the service.
Will have to take a look in the forum again.
Anyway, my point being.
That compared to other things out there.
$250 is not as bad as some other things.
I could mention another bot.
That sells for x amount.
Notice I did not give out the name of the bot.
Or tell how much it is.
Regardless.
As to people purchasing it.
Some will, some wont. So what.
Move on, next.
Based on what Tiago told me.
I am going to buy it.
And give it a go.
Win or lose.
No risk, no rewards.
;)
I was looking at the recent results on Matt's site. It doesn't look like a martingale is being used (a saw-tooth waveform is usually the giveaway :) ).
Matt, how long have you been using and testing the bot (approximately how many spins in total)?
N6, are you saying that you believe no mechanical system can win? I don't see why, in principle, a bot (or simulation) couldn't be written to incorporate all the decisions that a human would make at the table. It would be a lot of work though, perhaps too much.
Thomas Grant
I'd love for you to post results from a real game.
I said in my first post this was "play money" or "play mode" or something. No one should be surprised if they had read the post. I never alluded to it being real; said, in fact, that I could not play there as I was banned being American. Was that not a clue?
Here are more results using the method I don't prefer. Matt said just to set it and forget it and go to bed; quit mother-hen-ing and let it work. I did. Here's the sheet.
[attachimg=#]
Quote from: Tangram
I was looking at the recent results on Matt's site. It doesn't look like a martingale is being used (a saw-tooth waveform is usually the giveaway :) ).
Matt, how long have you been using and testing the bot (approximately how many spins in total)?
N6, are you saying that you believe no mechanical system can win? I don't see why, in principle, a bot (or simulation) couldn't be written to incorporate all the decisions that a human would make at the table. It would be a lot of work though, perhaps too much.
Tangram,
There are a lot of misconceptions about commercial bots. The only ones that do their jobs well are the ones programmed to perform repetitive, mundane everyday tasks. In roulette there are too many in-game decisions to be made that can mean the difference between ending a session in profit and ending in deficit. A bot cannot make those decisions. It beggars belief that people take these roulette bots seriously. I've said it before and I'll say it again: a bot has no intelligence. For games like chess and to an extent cards, they can be effective because it is easy to program every optimum move for every situation. For roulette, a game of chance, there is no universal optimisation...play hinges on the player's decisions, decisions only a human can make. A bot cannot variate. It keeps doing the same thing over and over and no system can keep winning like that because it relies heavily, even solely, on luck. IMO, there are mechanical systems that can win consistently, in fact I have a couple that I designed five or six years ago and they're the only ones I still use now. I keep accurate records of every trip to the casino and online sessions and I can say I'm well ahead in terms of winnings. But I rely on variating tactics at the blink of an eye and switching strategies in-game.
It will be years and years before a software bot is programmed with enough AI to mimic the exact decisions a player would make while at the table. Maybe in the future, yes, they will exist. And I doubt the first will be coded by a commerical programmer.
hey why dont we just all advetise out systems our software as all rules have been broken here so it wont matter will it.. once again this system is for sale priced £250 with no trail its called super roulette but It does not matter as one rule for one no rules for all others it makes me sick I was barred for 2 weeks for nothing because I only said I had a system but as soon as something comes along which suits them then this is fine what a joke .... murph
It's a fine line between testing something.
And selling something. Or is it?
I get a few jibes from certain people.
But what the heck. No skin of my nose.
What I don't get, is that TwoCat stated that he is testing the software.
Does this constituent a sales pitch?
And if so how?
How can you say something about something.
And give it a review. Or a test.
Or a comment.
And then be accused of selling it.?
If no affiliate links are involved.
Then I just don't get what the problem is.?
Do you take a car for a test drive?
And then tell your friends about it?
Do you go to a movie.
And then say you went and saw the movie to someone.?
Is that selling?
Or just comments.?
To sell, is to gain some monetary or financial gain from the sale of something.
To comment or to say something about a car a movie or a program. Is not selling it.
It is your own opinions.
On the subject at hand.
You do not get paid for your opinions.
Any post in any forum is an opinion.
A point of view.
Someone's thought on a particular subject.
Dear People
I am testing this bot for three reasons:
1. Victor suggested to Matt that I would be the person to test it. To me, that in an honor!
2. I love doing tests and someone named me the "Master Testicator". LOL
3. Someday I'll get to try this thing with real money, so I want to learn as much as I can now.
Do you not think if I tried it with real money and lost, I would not tell you? I've lost my butt more times than I can count while being here--and I reported each and every one of them. One was "TwoCat takes a whoopin'. Film at eleven" And there were plenty more.
But, I digress.......
Matt (And I actually thought he was the Matt of Matt/Tiago2 fame. We have lots of Matts on this forum.) said one of his systems would work flat betting. Here's the sheet using dollar bets.
Sam
[attachimg=#]
As the coder behind the roulette bots NWR, NWRS, RBP and Super Roulette. I do believe bots have a great potential in helping a user get a richer experience out of online gambling. I am not the owner of the comercial bots I've coded (RBP and Super Roulette). But I think to slam a betting bot just because its that (a bot) is not really having an opened mind. Fair enough, u don't need to support it if you've got doubts, but to slam trying it, testing it and reporting how it went back to members, isn't really helping anyone.
I've always tried to a make a bot that the users can enjoy and benifit from. With both comercial bots I've coded (mind u, they're not mine and Im not selling them) there is no "Hidden algorithm" the bot uses that the users can't know about. Both bots have user manuals or videos that explain exactly how the bot works.
Its a difficult thing to code an automated bot, I've been coding them for more than two years now. I know.
There is posts on how bots can never be human and have human insticnts. At the end of the day fair enough, you're right. But how much instincts does something need to have to play roulette? In my opinion its about experience, doing something so much, and so often that you start seeing and understanding alot of common trends and situations that arise, what works and what doesn't. When that happens one builds a system, a set of rules and guidelines that are created based on research.
No betting system is full-proof, no betting system will win 100%, if it would, then it wouldn't be gambling. I believe systems aren't everything, they're an invaluable help but to keep winning consistantly in roulette one has also got to use money management.
As Tiago2, I trust in bot too,
with multiple systems, alternate them, so you don't reach the long term failure.
I personnaly have many goosd systems, unplayable without a bot, too many tracking and variables to record, I don't want to be on my computer 4 hours each day to trark, note, calculate by myself, make mistakes, having bad emotions, taking bad decisions sometimes, I have too many things to do in my life.
I don't want to be " like a bot " on my computer and ask to my wike and my 3 kids to not disturb me because I play roulette and any distraction or mistake can make me loose our money !
I learn lot of things about roulette with Tiago2 incredible NWRS programmable and FREE programmable Playtech bot, playing 200 000 spins in a night. Big thanks to him, really, I like roulette game because of him and NWRS.
With this bot I can see in one day if a system is a short, medium or long term winner or a real loser. Without bot, it takes age to test a system manually, we see often on forums : " I have the Holy Grail ! " and one month later : " Forget it, I loosed all my bankroll, I quit roulette ". Without a bot, you can't test thousands systems in your lifetime, you can with bot.
And another thing to don't forget, if a system is really good at RNG, it's really better at Live Wheel and latest Tiago2 bot play on Live Wheel too, contact him for more informations if you want.
murph
What you seem to fail to grasp is this: There is ultimately one man in charge of this forum. He pays the bills and does the work. Therefore, he makes the decisions--not you.
This test was conducted with his blessing. If you have a complaint, take it to Victor.
murph, would you like me to publish the e-mails from the fellow you tried to get 500 pounds or euros or dollars--whatever--would you like me to publish his emails to me?
Would you like Matt to publish your blackmail threats to him in chat? He sent me the transcript and I have it in my files.
I do compliment you on being civil.
Sam
Quote from: Tiago2
I think to slam a betting bot just because its that (a bot) is not really having an opened mind. Fair enough, u don't need to support it if you've got doubts.
I've got a decade of experience using bots in situations that vastly supersede gaming. I don't need an open mind or be receptive to the idea that they might work because my account of them is factual. It is not theory. I don't need to sit on the fence and be undecided. Bots have a dark side and to trust them with your money is absolutely crazy. Clearly you don't like this truth because you code these bots for resellers and bad press impacts your income. No one will pay any attention to me, however, because where there is a chance of easy money people are willing to believe anything. I don't really care if people use bots or not, but they should at least be aware of what they're getting themselves into. Anyone who knows roulette can see that something as mechanical as a bot can't win long term.
@Thomasgrant...when are you going to step out of the software threads, stop posting stuff that is blatant marketing and actually contribute something meaningful to this forum? You've got 200 posts under your belt and you claim to have studied roulette for years. When are you going to share something interesting with us?
Quote from: KevinNash link=topic=7659. msg46978#msg46978
Just a question for Matt, your explanations about no trial version on your website don't convince me, do you think you will sell many bots without trial, no money back guarantee and for use at 1 casino only ?
For me, without trial, nobody will buy this bot ( excepted ThomasGrant ;) ). I am personally interested by the bot, but I'll never spend $250 without a try before.
Hi Kevin, thanks for your question regarding the "no-trial" policy. I did give this alot of consideration and my reasoning for not releasing a trial is because when you aquire the software you not only receive the program but are also given access to the online user instruction manual.
As well as providing instrutions on how to use Super Roulette, the instruction manual also gives insight into how the systems work and the logic behind why they work. The systems work effectively even without the BOT - the BOT is the 'icing on the cake' so to speak, as it automates the whole process, but without the underlying systems the bot would be a worthless tool.
So here I was presented with the predicament of what happens when somone decides the software is not for them and they do not buy it? They still have taken away the knowledge about the systems (which are the heart of the whole project) and can then apply them in any way they choose. And as the software owner I am left with no sale and a dilution of the information (which has been given for free)
Also having the software downloaded but not purchased opens up a greater potential for reverse engineering. Curious minds are hard to quell and I have no control over someone taking the shell of the BOT and using whatever means is available to them to uncover the mechanics of its coding engine.
Controlling the trial is not difficult, but controlling what happens once the trial has expired is the tricky part.
Regards
Matt
Matt
Somewhere along the way I must have done something right to have you entrust me with this program and the manual. Thanks for that trust; I will honor it!
I am running my final test. I am approaching 5,000 units in one winning session. I am at 4,590 now. This is flat-betting and I am not lying. My poor wife is beside herself--wants us to move anywhere so we can log onto this casino with real money! I honestly think she'd move!
Anyway, I've caused enough hard feelings with this thread so when I hit the 5,000 mark I'll stop the testing. Oops! 4700........
Sam
Here is the last report unless some asks me to do something specific. I want to say one thing. I have not in any way altered the figures you see on this or any report. The graph on this one is screwed up because I started with $25 and then went to $10 bets. Believe it or not!
[attachimg=#]
Impressive.
Ok, if I can be allowed to start another thread.
With real money. Then that would be great.
I have just purchased the software.
And will test it out over the next few days.
Make my first deposit this week.
Quote from: Number Six on April 13, 2009, 10:33:25 PM
I've got a decade of experience using bots in situations that vastly supersede gaming. I don't need an open mind or be receptive to the idea that they might work because my account of them is factual. It is not theory. I don't need to sit on the fence and be undecided. Bots have a dark side and to trust them with your money is absolutely crazy. Clearly you don't like this truth because you code these bots for resellers and bad press impacts your income.
I'm actually quite interested in what you have to say. Since first starting creating bots my main idea was for it to be a learning experience. I learned how to create bots, optimize them for efficient, interact with the casino smoothly, place bets etc. Then once that was out of the way I could concentrate alot more on coding the actual roulette systems strategies and so on.
I wasn't always a commercial roulette bot programmer, I've only taken that up recently. And alot of what brought me to this point was from listening to feedback members provided with the bots I have given out. I'm interestest in both positive and negative feedback received in what I do.
You say your perception that bots don't work is factual. Not theory. You use very definite words that leave little room for someone to debate this with you. You've got a decade of experience using bots in areas in and outside gaming, so maybe you know something the rest of us dont. Even then, I can't agree when u say that to trust a bot with your money is absolutely crazy. I don't know, but I believe you're wrong. Computers can do alot more, work much faster and to a better accurasy than any human can. To not explorer that fact will be hindering the progress of online roulette gambling. Don't you think?
Hi
First I would like to say that the results of the test look good thank you Sam.
However...and Ive kept quiet up to this point...I dont see how a test which ,lts be honest,if successful will promote the system differs from the Murph fiasco.
Certain people did a test for him that was successful and then we had an option(at our behest) to purchase the ability to do the same.
Surely all this test and that test does is highlight a good system for sale.
Maybe Ive got it wrong ..but I would like to see some kind of balance here.
Murphs was tested and was for sale at a price and so is this.
Im not saying you are selling this thing Sam but the seller obviously is.
This sits very much on the edge as far as I am concened
regards
TSK
Hi Forum.
Maybe I can shed some light on this subject.
Victor Owns and is the Administrator of this Forum.
Apparently the man with the bot did the right thing and asked Victor if it could be tested.
Victor approved it....Ans asked Sam or I to do the testing.
Now if I turn the computer on and the toaster don't pop up or the car start then I am doing good.
Now Sam was the guy elected to do the testing an report back to see if it would be a Benefit to ALL OUR MEMBERS....those that wanted it anyway.
And also to report if it was no good to the MEMBERS as well.
So its no use blaming Sam for anything to do with this...He did what was asked of Him.
But we all Know Sam and to suffer the embarrassment of being called a Coward and be sworn at because He is trying to Help ALL The Members...is just plain Stupid.
Murph has now been warned and put into Post Moderation again until He can be more civil about things.
And Sam Please leave this Guys posts to Victor & I to deal with this time.
You let Him off the leash too soon last time Cobber.
Lanky.
Well, if I may,
I have as stated somewhere in the forum.
That I have purchased systems and bots.
I started out with MMM many moons ago.
It was one of the firsts bots that I came across.
Then there was Roulette Sniper.
Note: No affiliate link to it.
Just mention it in passing.
Then many other Roulette Related products and services.
Some I have even promoted and made money with.
That does not sit well with some people.
But I digress.
There are many systems out there.
You can find out about them in here or in Wikapedia.
Systems as old as Martingale, and many others.
Any system is just that.
A system. You can follow it or not.
Some are better than others.
A bot is a GUI that spins the wheel.
And places the chips for you.
Not all bots are the same.
Some have different algorithms in them.
And have different interfaces.
Many have there own systems.
I have been fortunate to find Tiago and his NWR.
Also many moons ago. Ever since then.
I have supported Tiago in his efforts.
And recently have had the opportunity to test out his latest bots.
Tiago sent me the link to Super Roulette.
And after emailing Matt and calling him.
I made a decision to purchase it.
Same decision was made when it came to
purchasing the system that Murph was on about.
They are all my own choices.
So I take full responsibility for those choices.
I also am a affiliate to many a varied program.
Will not mention them here.
This has got me in some very heated discussions.
As the terms of reference or forum rules where apparently being broken.
So my point is...
That if I post something in here.
It is not always a sales pitch.
It is my own opinion.
The post may include the price I paid for it.
What the results are like.
If you have a brain.
You can make your own mind up.
To buy or not to buy.
It is your money after all.
Do with it what you will.
Well said Lanky.
Glad to find another Aussie in here.
Matt is also Australian.
PS: how did you get that flag on your sig?
Quote from: thomasgrant on April 14, 2009, 06:37:58 AM
Well said Lanky.
Glad to find another Aussie in here.
Matt is also Australian.
PS: how did you get that flag on your sig?
Hi Mate .
Yes Quite a Few of us Aussies on the Forum Now.
Shorty-Lohnro-Natural9-Mini Baccarat-Wiggy-Iwonder-Penrith punter-Moccoman-Pins-Pedro...Just to mention a Few.
Victor put the Flag thingy in there Mate....Maybe an ask from all the Aussies to Victor would do the trick. ;)
Good On Ya Mates.
Lanky.
Quote from: Tangram
Matt, how long have you been using and testing the bot (approximately how many spins in total)?
Hi Tangram,
I have been testing/playing with the software for close to three months now. Every night is around 1000 - 1500 spins, so I guess that would be close to 150,000 spins (give or take a couple of thousand)
Cheers
Matt
Quote from: Number Six
All bots excel in only one department: operational speed. In everything else, compared to a human brain, they fail and they fail miserably. That you can't crack roulette by simply waiting for event (a) and then betting (b) is elemental; and it doesn't matter that there is no house edge. This is all a bot can do. . . . wait, bet, wait, bet and on and on. It has no concept of betting tactics and strategy or any of the ingredients required to be a roulette winner. Your bot does not and absolutely never will rely on logic to win, as you claim. Because it is so mechanical, it relies on the spin outcomes to be favourable at all times. The engines that drive all roulette bots are fuelled by pure, unadulterated luck. When you're in luck you win, when your luck is out you lose. Anyone who uses a bot is skating on very thin ice. The bare truth of the matter is that roulette bots are just a fad among lazy and gullible people.
N6 I find your comments perplexing to say the least. You are assuming alot when you have no knowledge of the systems that have been coded into the software. Two of the strategies (one not yet released in the current version), actually bet EVERY spin and do not wait for any event or trigger to occur.
I also take offense to being called lazy. I use the BOT regularly and make a nice additional income to my regular income. I have also spent countless hours conceptualising, testing and running the BOT to get it to where it is at. In addition to my attention to this, I also work full time and have a family - I would not consider myself lazy. Surely working
smarter and not harder is what we are all striving for. Automation of a process that used to require someone to sit at a computer for hours on end is a positive step forward in my eyes.
The game of roulette is not a mystical, magical thing, especially in the RNG world. You have 36 numbers in a bag, pull one out and start again. No physics or dealers involved. No ball speed to be concerned about. Just random numbers. But the amazing thing is patterns do emerge that can be taken advantage of. Yes it can be done manually, but personally I would prefer the automation of a tool that can operate on auto-pilot according to some pre-defined criteria.
I also think you underestimate the removal of the house edge. 2.7% over a large sample of spins is a huge advantage.
Matt
murph cant defend himself as the big boys have blocked me again cause i speak the truth .... murph
Tiago,
I respect your skills as a programmer, I know what it takes to build a bot such as this one. I can't code myself but I've worked on a lot of bot projects for an array of purposes, from their design to implementation, complex ones and basic ones. If people want to explore bots as a way of playing RNGs then that is their prerogative. Automation is appealing but it can be deceptive at times, things don't always pan out as you're expecting. I understand you can do bots for live wheels. Now, this is interesting. If bots are to have any impact on the immediate future of roulette, then it will be with live wheels. There is massively more potential available to a bot for live wheel play than one for an RNG.
Quote from: thomasgrant on April 14, 2009, 01:36:40 AM
Impressive.
Ok, if I can be allowed to start another thread.
With real money. Then that would be great.
I have just purchased the software.
And will test it out over the next few days.
Make my first deposit this week.
TG
I have no objection and I can't see why anyone would. I will be happy to tell you by e-mail, the settings I used. TwoCatSam@cox.net
Please start your thread under "Testing".
Good luck.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on April 14, 2009, 12:08:00 PM
TG
I have no objection and I can't see why anyone would. I will be happy to tell you by e-mail, the settings I used. TwoCatSam@cox.net
Please start your thread under "Testing".
Good luck.
Sam
Email sent TwoCat.
And you can go to the topic that I started.
And see the current results.
Hi this is interesting, looks similar to roulette bot pro.
My main concern however is what Winkel also pointed out, that if getting all these winnings,
the Casino wouldn't pay out the money anyway.
Is nobody else concerned about this?
And does anyone have different experiences from above?
Best Regards
Kingpin
Quote from: Kingpin on April 14, 2009, 07:32:04 PM
Hi this is interesting, looks similar to roulette bot pro.
My main concern however is what Winkel also pointed out, that if getting all these winnings,
the Casino wouldn't pay out the money anyway.
Is nobody else concerned about this?
And does anyone have different experiences from above?
Best Regards
Kingpin
Na, you got to remember the number one rule.
The house always wins.
Since this is a quite active thread and I didn't want to start a new one to say this, I'll say it here:
Victor,
Love that "go up" "go down" feature!! Geez, the colors are in color!!
Sam
Guys.....
Bots are here to stay. Like cell phones. Will the casinos take counter-measures? Probably. What does that say? Roulette can be beaten.
What if I became the bot? Played ten hours? It is do-able.
Sam
Quote from: Kingpin
My main concern however is what Winkel also pointed out, that if getting all these winnings,
the Casino wouldn't pay out the money anyway.
Best Regards
Kingpin
Hi Kingpin,
Thanks for your comments regarding the use of the BOT and issues that may arise concerning the casino catching on.
This can be counteracted in a few ways:
- only release a certain number of units.This is being strongly considered and will help prevent detection as well as protect current users.
- adding a r
andom delay pause to the bot to further simulate human behaviour. This will make it appear more human driven rather than software driven
- supporting more casinos (live dealer most likely). This will give user's more options and 'spread the load' so to speak.
Thousands of people play online everyday and at the moment the number of users playing with this BOT would not be a drop in the ocean, so I would think right now detection is not an issue.
Cheers
Matt
Ok,
Thanks for the replies.
Guess we'll find out one way or the other.
I hope people will be posting about their experiences regarding this matter.
Best Regards
Kingpin
Quote from: TwoCatSam on April 15, 2009, 12:04:56 AM
Since this is a quite active thread and I didn't want to start a new one to say this, I'll say it here:
Victor,
Love that "go up" "go down" feature!! Geez, the colors are in color!!
Sam
Sam, I'm very glad you liked it.
We have PREV and NEXT links to enjoy an easier topic reading :thumbsup: (Enabled for section index also)
You gotta love those too :)
Regards,
Victor
QuoteWe have PREV and NEXT links to enjoy an easier topic reading (Enabled for section index also)
You gotta love those too
I love them, have been wondering why we didn't have them before.
It's nice to see that improvements are made all the time. Good work Victor :thumbsup:
Best Regards
Kingpin
Umm, not sure about the last two posts in this topic.
Makes no sense to me what so ever.
I will be posting an update as soon as I reach the target that I am going for.
Some replies splitted to the pit: HERE (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/other-software-for-roulette/re-super-roulette-software-t8363/).
Quote from: super-roulette on April 15, 2009, 04:08:04 AM
Hi Kingpin,
Thanks for your comments regarding the use of the BOT and issues that may arise concerning the casino catching on.
This can be counteracted in a few ways:
- only release a certain number of units.This is being strongly considered and will help prevent detection as well as protect current users.
- adding a random delay pause to the bot to further simulate human behaviour. This will make it appear more human driven rather than software driven
- supporting more casinos (live dealer most likely). This will give user's more options and 'spread the load' so to speak.
Thousands of people play online everyday and at the moment the number of users playing with this BOT would not be a drop in the ocean, so I would think right now detection is not an issue.
Cheers
Matt
Hey Matt,
Thanks for the info etc you've posted so far, this thread (the on-topics posts anyway) have made for some interesting reading.
With the random delay, would you consider adding longer delays to emulate a few breaks of say 5-10 mins?
Also have you/anyone tried to withdraw money from BV yet to check if this is a problem? This wouldn't be worthwhile obviously if the bot made a heap of money you couldn't touch.
Cheers,
Roules
Quote from: roules on April 28, 2009, 07:12:14 AM
Hey Matt,
Thanks for the info etc you've posted so far, this thread (the on-topics posts anyway) have made for some interesting reading.
With the random delay, would you consider adding longer delays to emulate a few breaks of say 5-10 mins?
Also have you/anyone tried to withdraw money from BV yet to check if this is a problem? This wouldn't be worthwhile obviously if the bot made a heap of money you couldn't touch.
Cheers,
Roules
Hi Roules, thanks for your interest in Super Roulette.
We released an updated version on Sunday just gone. With this version (amongst other added features) you can specify how long you want the BOT to wait for minimum and maximum counts (measured in 1000s of a second).The BOT will randomly wait between these values before
spinning the wheel and
placing a bet. It is simplistic at the moment but it does add random pauses at random times and makes the whole process seem less mechanical.
I have been playing at Bet Voyager for close to 6 months and had no problems depositing or withdrawing money - I use Money Bookers so cannot comment on other methods.
Kind Regards
Matt