Super Roulette Software

[Tangram]

I was looking at the recent results on Matt's site. It doesn't look like a martingale is being used (a saw-tooth waveform is usually the giveaway  ).

Matt, how long have you been using and testing the bot (approximately how many spins in total)?

N6, are you saying that you believe no mechanical system can win? I don't see why, in principle, a bot (or simulation) couldn't be written to incorporate all the decisions that a human would make at the table. It would be a lot of work though, perhaps too much.

[TwoCatSam]

Thomas Grant

I'd love for you to post results from a real game. 

I said in my first post this was "play money" or "play mode" or something.  No one should be surprised if they had read the post.  I never alluded to it being real; said, in fact, that I could not play there as I was banned being American.  Was that not a clue?

Here are more results using the method I don't prefer.  Matt said just to set it and forget it and go to bed; quit mother-hen-ing and let it work.  I did.  Here's the sheet.

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[Number Six]

I was looking at the recent results on Matt's site. It doesn't look like a martingale is being used (a saw-tooth waveform is usually the giveaway  ).

Matt, how long have you been using and testing the bot (approximately how many spins in total)?

N6, are you saying that you believe no mechanical system can win? I don't see why, in principle, a bot (or simulation) couldn't be written to incorporate all the decisions that a human would make at the table. It would be a lot of work though, perhaps too much.

Tangram,

There are a lot of misconceptions about commercial bots. The only ones that do their jobs well are the ones programmed to perform repetitive, mundane everyday tasks. In roulette there are too many in-game decisions to be made that can mean the difference between ending a session in profit and ending in deficit. A bot cannot make those decisions. It beggars belief that people take these roulette bots seriously. I've said it before and I'll say it again: a bot has no intelligence. For games like chess and to an extent cards, they can be effective because it is easy to program every optimum move for every situation. For roulette, a game of chance, there is no universal optimisation...play hinges on the player's decisions, decisions only a human can make. A bot cannot variate. It keeps doing the same thing over and over and no system can keep winning like that because it relies heavily, even solely, on luck. IMO, there are mechanical systems that can win consistently, in fact I have a couple that I designed five or six years ago and they're the only ones I still use now. I keep accurate records of every trip to the casino and online sessions and I can say I'm well ahead in terms of winnings. But I rely on variating tactics at the blink of an eye and switching strategies in-game.

It will be years and years before a software bot is programmed with enough AI to mimic the exact decisions a player would make while at the table. Maybe in the future, yes, they will exist. And I doubt the first will be coded by a commerical programmer.

[murph]

hey why dont we just all advetise out systems our software as all rules have been broken here so it wont matter will it..  once again this system is for sale priced £250 with no trail its called super roulette but It does not  matter as one rule for one no rules for all others it makes me sick I was barred for 2 weeks for nothing because I only said I had a system  but as soon as something comes along which suits them then this is fine what a joke .... murph

[thomasgrant]

It's a fine line between testing something.
And selling something. Or is it?
I get a few jibes from certain people.
But what the heck. No skin of my nose.
What I don't get, is that TwoCat stated that he is testing the software.
Does this constituent a sales pitch?
And if so how?
How can you say something about something.
And give it a review. Or a test.
Or a comment.
And then be accused of selling it.?
If no affiliate links are involved.
Then I just don't get what the problem is.?
Do you take a car for a test drive?
And then tell your friends about it?
Do you go to a movie.
And then say you went and saw the movie to someone.?
Is that selling?
Or just comments.?
To sell, is to gain some monetary or financial gain from the sale of something.
To comment or to say something about a car a movie or a program. Is not selling it.
It is your own opinions.
On the subject at hand.
You do not get paid for your opinions.
Any post in any forum is an opinion.
A point of view.
Someone's thought on a particular subject.

[TwoCatSam]

Dear People

I am testing this bot for three reasons:

1.  Victor suggested to Matt that I would be the person to test it.  To me, that in an honor!
2.  I love doing tests and someone named me the "Master Testicator".  LOL
3.  Someday I'll get to try this thing with real money, so I want to learn as much as I can now. 

Do you not think if I tried it with real money and lost, I would not tell you?  I've lost my butt more times than I can count while being here--and I reported each and every one of them.  One was "TwoCat takes a whoopin'.  Film at eleven"  And there were plenty more.

But, I digress.......

Matt (And I actually thought he was the Matt of Matt/Tiago2 fame.  We have lots of Matts on this forum.) said one of his systems would work flat betting.  Here's the sheet using dollar bets.

Sam

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[Tiago2]

As the coder behind the roulette bots NWR, NWRS, RBP and Super Roulette. I do believe bots have a great potential in helping a user get a richer experience out of online gambling. I am not the owner of the comercial bots I've coded (RBP and Super Roulette). But I think to slam a betting bot just because its that (a bot) is not really having an opened mind. Fair enough, u don't need to support it if you've got doubts, but to slam trying it, testing it and reporting how it went back to members, isn't really helping anyone.

I've always tried to a make a bot that the users can enjoy and benifit from. With both comercial bots I've coded (mind u, they're not mine and Im not selling them) there is no "Hidden algorithm" the bot uses that the users can't know about. Both bots have user manuals or videos that explain exactly how the bot works.
Its a difficult thing to code an automated bot, I've been coding them for more than two years now. I know.
There is posts on how bots can never be human and have human insticnts. At the end of the day fair enough, you're right. But how much instincts does something need to have to play roulette? In my opinion its about experience, doing something so much, and so often that you start seeing and understanding alot of common trends and situations that arise, what works and what doesn't. When that happens one builds a system, a set of rules and guidelines that are created based on research.

No betting system is full-proof, no betting system will win 100%, if it would, then it wouldn't be gambling. I believe systems aren't everything, they're an invaluable help but to keep winning consistantly in roulette one has also got to use money management.

[KevinNash]

As Tiago2, I trust in bot too,

with multiple systems, alternate them, so you don't reach the long term failure.

I personnaly have many goosd systems, unplayable without a bot, too many tracking and variables to record, I don't want to be on my computer 4 hours each day to trark, note, calculate by myself, make mistakes, having bad emotions, taking bad decisions sometimes, I have too many things to do in my life.

I don't want to be " like a bot " on my computer and ask to my wike and my 3 kids to not disturb me because I play roulette and any distraction or mistake can make me loose our money !

I learn lot of things about roulette with Tiago2 incredible NWRS programmable and FREE programmable Playtech bot, playing 200 000 spins in a night. Big thanks to him, really, I like roulette game because of him and NWRS.

With this bot I can see in one day if a system is a short, medium or long term winner or a real loser. Without bot, it takes age to test a system manually, we see often on forums : " I have the Holy Grail ! " and one month later : " Forget it, I loosed all my bankroll, I quit roulette ". Without a bot, you can't test thousands systems in your lifetime, you can with bot.

And another thing to don't forget, if a system is really good at RNG, it's really better at Live Wheel and latest Tiago2 bot play on Live Wheel too, contact him for more informations if you want.

[TwoCatSam]

murph

What you seem to fail to grasp is this:  There is ultimately one man in charge of this forum.  He pays the bills and does the work.  Therefore, he makes the decisions--not you. 

This test was conducted with his blessing.  If you have a complaint, take it to Victor. 

murph, would you like me to publish the e-mails from the fellow you tried to get 500 pounds or euros or dollars--whatever--would you like me to publish his emails to me?

Would you like Matt to publish your blackmail threats to him in chat?  He sent me the transcript and I have it in my files.

I do compliment you on being civil.

Sam

[Number Six]

I think to slam a betting bot just because its that (a bot) is not really having an opened mind. Fair enough, u don't need to support it if you've got doubts.

I've got a decade of experience using bots in situations that vastly supersede gaming. I don't need an open mind or be receptive to the idea that they might work because my account of them is factual. It is not theory. I don't need to sit on the fence and be undecided. Bots have a dark side and to trust them with your money is absolutely crazy. Clearly you don't like this truth because you code these bots for resellers and bad press impacts your income. No one will pay any attention to me, however, because where there is a chance of easy money people are willing to believe anything. I don't really care if people use bots or not, but they should at least be aware of what they're getting themselves into. Anyone who knows roulette can see that something as mechanical as a bot can't win long term.

@Thomasgrant...when are you going to step out of the software threads, stop posting stuff that is blatant marketing and actually contribute something meaningful to this forum? You've got 200 posts under your belt and you claim to have studied roulette for years. When are you going to share something interesting with us?

[super-roulette]

Just a question for Matt, your explanations about no trial version on your website don't convince me, do you think you will sell many bots without trial, no money back guarantee and for use at 1 casino only ?

For me, without trial, nobody will buy this bot ( excepted ThomasGrant  ).   I am personally interested by the bot, but I'll never spend $250 without a try before. 

Hi Kevin, thanks for your question regarding the "no-trial" policy.   I did give this alot of consideration and my reasoning for not releasing a trial is because when you aquire the software you not only receive the program but are also given access to the online user instruction manual.  

As well as providing instrutions on how to use Super Roulette, the instruction manual also gives insight into how the systems work and the logic behind why they work.  The systems work effectively even without the BOT - the BOT is the 'icing on the cake' so to speak, as it automates the whole process, but without the underlying systems the bot would be a worthless tool.  

So here I was presented with the predicament of what happens when somone decides the software is not for them and they do not buy it? They still have taken away the knowledge about the systems (which are the heart of the whole project) and can then apply them in any way they choose.  And as the software owner I am left with no sale and a dilution of the information (which has been given for free)

Also having the software downloaded but not purchased opens up a greater potential for reverse engineering.  Curious minds are hard to quell and I have no control over someone taking the shell of the BOT and using whatever means is available to them to uncover the mechanics of its coding engine.  

Controlling the trial is not difficult, but controlling what happens once the trial has expired is the tricky part. 


Regards
Matt

[TwoCatSam]

Matt

Somewhere along the way I must have done something right to have you entrust me with this program and the manual.  Thanks for that trust; I will honor it!

I am running my final test.  I am approaching 5,000 units in one winning session.  I am at 4,590 now.  This is flat-betting and I am not lying.  My poor wife is beside herself--wants us to move anywhere so we can log onto this casino with real money!  I honestly think she'd move!

Anyway, I've caused enough hard feelings with this thread so when I hit the 5,000 mark I'll stop the testing.  Oops!  4700........

Sam

[TwoCatSam]

Here is the last report unless some asks me to do something specific.  I want to say one thing.  I have not in any way altered the figures you see on this or any report.  The graph on this one is screwed up because I started with $25 and then went to $10 bets.  Believe it or not!

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[thomasgrant]

Impressive.
Ok, if I can be allowed to start another thread.
With real money. Then that would be great.
I have just purchased the software.
And will test it out over the next few days.
Make my first deposit this week.

[Tiago2]

I've got a decade of experience using bots in situations that vastly supersede gaming. I don't need an open mind or be receptive to the idea that they might work because my account of them is factual. It is not theory. I don't need to sit on the fence and be undecided. Bots have a dark side and to trust them with your money is absolutely crazy. Clearly you don't like this truth because you code these bots for resellers and bad press impacts your income.

I'm actually quite interested in what you have to say. Since first starting creating bots my main idea was for it to be a learning experience. I learned how to create bots, optimize them for efficient, interact with the casino smoothly, place bets etc. Then once that was out of the way I could concentrate alot more on coding the actual roulette systems strategies and so on.

I wasn't always a commercial roulette bot programmer, I've only taken that up recently. And alot of what brought me to this point was from listening to feedback members provided with the bots I have given out. I'm interestest in both positive and negative feedback received in what I do.

You say your perception that bots don't work is factual. Not theory. You use very definite words that leave little room for someone to debate this with you. You've got a decade of experience using bots in areas in and outside gaming, so maybe you know something the rest of us dont. Even then, I can't agree when u say that to trust a bot with your money is absolutely crazy. I don't know, but I believe you're wrong. Computers can do alot more, work much faster and to a better accurasy than any human can. To not explorer that fact will be hindering the progress of online roulette gambling. Don't you think?

[Tiago2]

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