It is just a matter of knowing what the wheel is throwing at the time.

[gizmotron]

Cheese, just wait for the disaster. You will be able to chronicle the moment. You at least deserve that for wearing Spike's underwear

[cheese]

I think that it's very important to be able to compute the expected value of a complicated system (or method)

 

You're right. Thats where practice come in. You must know what your method of play is capable of, and to do that, you must see it in action under every possible scenerio. This can take years of hand testing. But at the end, you'll know exactly what the EV is and where you stand when you walk into any casino on the planet.

[cheese]

The zeros sleep for hours at a time.

So what? If you have a true winning method with a positive EV, the zero's are meaningless.

[gizmotron]

You're right. Thats where practice come in. You must know what your method of play is capable of, and to do that, you must see it in action under every possible scenerio. This can take years of hand testing. But at the end, you'll know exactly what the EV is and where you stand when you walk into any casino on the planet.

If you can talk me out of this then now is the time.

[cheese]

The unfair payout exists no matter how complex and convoluted the system

Thats why you practice till you leave it in the dust. You practice till you have the edge over the casino, not the other way around. The EC's are the only thing that accomplishes this, everything else is a waste of time.

[cheese]

But when I go into a casino I hunt for when the casino is in a defenseless state.

You need to expand your playing scenario's, the roulette wheel is always defenseless if you've done your job correctly. If you go to the casino and have to wait, you haven't practiced enough.

[cheese]

and extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence.

But the claims don't seem extraordinary if I'm doing it everyday. In fact, they seem somewhat mundane.

[cheese]

I can prove my opinions with a working computer algorithm.

Why take the short route when you can take the lonnnnnng way around something.

[cheese]

Cheese, just wait for the disaster.

Thats a bit like waiting for a glacier to get to Miami Beach, apparently. I don't think anybody is holding their breath.

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But the claims don't seem extraordinary if I'm doing it everyday. In fact, they seem somewhat mundane.

Spike, I mean Cheese...

It's obvious you play the chop, what is the most amount of spins you sit out if not playing every single spin?

[cheese]

If you can talk me out of this then now is the time.

Talk you out of what? I don't think for one minute you have any idea what the EV of your system is, because you have no idea whats going to happen session to session. If you can't accurately calculate EV, you don't have a winning system. When I played BJ, we always knew what our EV was counting cards. Thats because we had the edge over the casino. If you don't have the edge, there's no positive EV to calculate.

[cheese]

It's obvious you play the chop, what is the most amount of spins you sit out if not playing every single spin?

I don't even know what chop is, there are so many definitions. I play 98% or more of the spins. My goal is always to get in, get it done, and get out. Leave the smallest footprint possible. Sitting there for hours staring at the marquee is for chumps and people who haven't practiced enough.

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I don't even know what chop is, there are so many definitions. I play 98% or more of the spins. My goal is always to get in, get it done, and get out. Leave the smallest footprint possible. Sitting there for hours staring at the marquee is for chumps and people who haven't practiced enough.

Rather than focusing on the 3 different streams of the even chances with pen and paper on one wheel, why not just focus on R/B on multiple wheels?  Since R/B is so much easier to see on the marquee, why not walk around and observe R/B from multiple wheels in the same vicinity?  Then simply reach in and place your bet.

[cheese]

 Since R/B is so much easier to see on the marquee, why not walk around and observe R/B from multiple wheels in the same vicinity?  Then simply reach in and place your bet.

Been there done that. On paper its a great idea, in the casino it sucks. Say you find a cluster of 4 wheels. You watch the marquees and place a bet. Invariably, while you're waiting for the spin, you see another bet on another wheel. Most casinos won't let you bet more than one wheel at a time and they get real snotty when you do. So the bet you just made loses and the one you missed wins. You make another bet and while you're waiting for the slow dealer to make the payouts, another bet appears and wins on another wheel. Its a cluster FuXk and not worth it. Try it and see.

[gizmotron]

You are a real player, yet another coincidence trait of Spike.

[gizmotron]

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