I am new to the forum so hi! I love roulette and I have been studying it for years. The only thing I see that works consistently is betting based on probability. I know, that the ball falls at random, but I also know that for example most numbers will show by 100 spins. As you know over time more and more numbers will show. There are some facts in roulette and any strategy should be based on the few facts.
Anyway, I have this simple yet excellent system that I would like some feedback on for improvement. Once you read it you will understand where I am going with this.
After 100 spins an average of 1-5 numbers won't show up. Imagine if you reached into a bag of 38 numbers to pull out one number. Imagine there are 5 bad joker numbers. You have a very good chance that you will NOT grab a joker. That is the basis of the system concept.
System:
randomly pick one number out of the 38(double zero wheel) and play it til it hits or to 100 spins, whichever comes first. Use this progression on that one number....
first 20 spins= 1 unit
second 20 spins= 2 units
third 20 spins= 4 units
fourth 20 spins= 10 units
fifth 20 spins= 25 units
adding up to 100 spins
It really works well, because as long as you have the bankroll your wins will more than make up for the occasional bad guess. If anyone has ideas to improve this let me know. The concept is sound because it makes the odds very much in your favor, I just think maybe someone thinking outside the box could perfect this. Thanks in advance! 8)
forgot to mention that once your number hits you stop playing that number and randomly pick a new number.
Thank you for posting. We need some ideas and discussion.
Sam
A good way to play is to do the system with a random number in each section ...1-12, 13-24, and 25-36. play each section as its own separate game, When a sections number goes to 100 and doesn't win that section is dead and u stop picking a new number for it. Once all three sections are dead you stop, or if you get tired of playing whichever comes first,
Your system involves a lot of time. If you have lots of time to spend at the table/online, I can give you a couple of systems which require long term sitting.
You could work them together. Only if you want.....
Sam
Two cat, I actually use the real but automated wheels so they spin a spin a minute so it isn't too much time. I would love to hear your long systems though.
azguy
See what you think of this.............
The Waker System (As named by VLS)
Track all 37/38 numbers. When one has slept for 74/76 spins it is consider asleep. When it hits for the first time after going to sleep, it is a "waker". Play it for the next ten spins. That's all there is to it. Use any progression you choose.
I caught a ton of winning numbers with this back when I played online.
Where do you play? Are you an American? From Arizona?
Sam
Quote from: azguy on April 02, 2012, 11:24:29 PM
Two cat, I actually use the real but automated wheels so they spin a spin a minute so it isn't too much time. I would love to hear your long systems though.
Start tracking repeaters. Usually in first 12 spins you will get at least one. Wait until you get at least 3 and if you dont get hit earlier then in 24 spins start betting on all d repeaters and keep adding new ones. Use prog to stay in profit after potential win.
In 50000 spins on Rx longest wait for any number to hit 3 times is 47 spins. Only 5 or 6 times it went over 40 spins. Mostly you get hit within 36 spins so if you start at spin 24 you get win in 12 spins. Many times it hits on first spin. I call it dime holy grail. >:D U need BR of 5000u to be completely invincible but usually 2000u will allow you to cover around 20 spins. Its variation of Pivot system which is quite successful but you can not start betting immediately because then you would need to cover more 30 spins. Longest i have ever went were 17 spins and i needed 1000u to continue betting.
Its not for everybody because it requires lots of tracking, waiting and adjusting your prog.
Its easy to verify how it behaves on Rx. You can simulate around 300 games or 10000 spins in 1 hour. I know it seems bit crazy but it works. I know maybe 50000 spins is not enough but this thing is remarkably consistent. Thats about probability and distribution laws. How many times you see that a number that hit 2 times short time ago hits again and you ask yourself "Damn why did not i bet on it?"
Regards
Regards
So when your number hits and you pick another number at random do you start your progression again from 1 or continue the progression from whatever spin out of 100 you're at?
Disregard my last post, you start the progression again after your number hits and another random number is chosen.
I played this system for approx 5 hours and was up $900 when I finished. When I played I found the majority of the time the number hit between 30 to 50 spins on average. one time i was on spin 99 and the number finally hit lol. The only thing is my max bet on a number is $10in the online casino I play so the one time i went over 80 spins ($25 bet per spin) I wasn't able to bet that much so I continued to play $10 a spin. I didn't win as much as I could have with $25, however I didn't loose as much per spin either. I also tested this system on TestMyStrategy.com / Home for Roulette Systems and Strategies! (nolinks://nolinks.testmystrategy.com/) for a small amount of time to see if there would be many times where a number didn't show within 100 spins. I actually didn't test this strategy by changing numbers when the number hit I just chose a random number and tested it per 100 spins over and over again. Out of about 3000 spins there was 1 time when the number didn't show per 100 spins.
I guess I got lucky using this system!
I have been playing this system for a few weeks and think it's great, however I have also been thinking of ways to improve the odds. I think trying split bets to cover two numbers instead of one would be worth a try. The problem is the odds are 17/1 so system progression needs to change a little. I was thinking to increase bets every 10 spins instead of 20 but don't want the progression to end at really high amount. I was thinking:
Spin 1-10 $0.10
Spin 11-20 $0.20
Spin 21-30 $0.50
Spin 31-40 $1.00
Spin 41-50 $2.50
Anyone have any ideas of how to progress spins 51 to 100 for the next 5 increments?
Hello,
I have been testing Robbenhuut system and so far, so good. I have tested it for several thousand of spins and it holds up very well. I have a fixe limit of 1 500 units as a stop loss. I have only encountered a loss on 4 occasions, while having well over 750 wins. Do the math...
I have always said that, for a system/method to win, there had to be a reason for it. It is hard to see why this would win. The author said something about <<distribution>>. I would like him to elaborate on that, if possible.
Regards.
Insidebet
Quote from: insidebet on July 11, 2012, 11:19:18 PM
Hello,
I have been testing Robbenhuut system and so far, so good. I have tested it for several thousand of spins and it holds up very well. I have a fixe limit of 1 500 units as a stop loss. I have only encountered a loss on 4 occasions, while having well over 750 wins. Do the math...
I have always said that, for a system/method to win, there had to be a reason for it. It is hard to see why this would win. The author said something about <<distribution>>. I would like him to elaborate on that, if possible.
Regards.
Insidebet
Hola Insidebet
Glad you have such good results. I always try to do lots of testing and always felt comfortable with numbers bet. The reason is not so important but observation of some patterns is. And Insidebet you are still relatively early to make any definitive conclusions because its a progression system. I do not play it anymore because my internet connection is not reliable and i dont want to be cut off in the middle of long progression. :smile: Thanks for testing anyway.
Regards
Hello again,
I know very well that progression-based systems are very tricky. I usually dont rely on them at all. But I have tested this for well over 20K spins. And I bet on almost every spin. So this is getting to be quite a large sample.
Insider
Quote from: Robeenhuut on April 03, 2012, 04:08:18 AM
Start tracking repeaters. Usually in first 12 spins you will get at least one. Wait until you get at least 3 and if you dont get hit earlier then in 24 spins start betting on all d repeaters and keep adding new ones. Use prog to stay in profit after potential win.
In 50000 spins on Rx longest wait for any number to hit 3 times is 47 spins. Only 5 or 6 times it went over 40 spins. Mostly you get hit within 36 spins so if you start at spin 24 you get win in 12 spins. Many times it hits on first spin. I call it dime holy grail. >:D U need BR of 5000u to be completely invincible but usually 2000u will allow you to cover around 20 spins. Its variation of Pivot system which is quite successful but you can not start betting immediately because then you would need to cover more 30 spins. Longest I have ever went were 17 spins and I needed 1000u to continue betting.
Its not for everybody because it requires lots of tracking, waiting and adjusting your prog.
Its easy to verify how it behaves on Rx. You can simulate around 300 games or 10000 spins in 1 hour. I know it seems bit crazy but it works. I know maybe 50000 spins is not enough but this thing is remarkably consistent. Thats about probability and distribution laws. How many times you see that a number that hit 2 times short time ago hits again and you ask yourself "Damn why did not I bet on it?"
Regards
Regards
Hi guys,
I also have been testing this system for over 10,000 spins,all recorded with the good old pencil and paper method.
In 400 sessions only 7 sessions have gone over 37 with the highest being 43 spins. 267 sessions have hit 3rd repeater within 24 spins. 133 have gone over 24 spins.
Quote from: insidebet on July 12, 2012, 11:27:57 AM
Hello again,
I know very well that progression-based systems are very tricky. I usually dont rely on them at all. But I have tested this for well over 20K spins. And I bet on almost every spin. So this is getting to be quite a large sample.
Insider
Hello Insider
Do you play it the way i posted? I guess you made some changes?
Yes I made a few changes. I play from the first repeat on. Too many times a number would three peat before I had my three numbers to repeat. I did not think it would make much a difference at the end. Also, much less waiting time in real live play.
So let say i get
34
5
7
34
at the start, I jump on 34 right away and add any other repeat as they come.
Also, after a win, instead of starting from scratch, i look at the 12 recent #s (including the winning #) and start right away with any # that has appeared twice in those 12 #s. Very often, but not always, i will play the winning # again.
Regards,
Insidebet
(the only way)
Can enyone cod in rx sistem thet bet on all num what repeat 2 times-Sistem will bet from spin 1-38
I test play it from 1-24 and somtime i winn somtime i lost.And from 24-38 i winn most time.
Quote from: macduff on July 12, 2012, 06:20:29 PM
Hi guys,
I also have been testing this system for over 10,000 spins,all recorded with the good old pencil and paper method.
In 400 sessions only 7 sessions have gone over 37 with the highest being 43 spins. 267 sessions have hit 3rd repeater within 24 spins. 133 have gone over 24 spins.
Yeah
It seems to be a typical breakdown. 40+ is very rare. Usually 36 could be a good benchmark to make some kind of bet.
Quote from: insidebet on July 11, 2012, 11:19:18 PM
Hello,
I have been testing Robbenhuut system and so far, so good. I have tested it for several thousand of spins and it holds up very well. I have a fixe limit of 1 500 units as a stop loss. I have only encountered a loss on 4 occasions, while having well over 750 wins. Do the math...
I have always said that, for a system/method to win, there had to be a reason for it. It is hard to see why this would win. The author said something about <<distribution>>. I would like him to elaborate on that, if possible.
Regards.
Insidebet
Hola Insidebet
Whats your average win in progression? Do you use one to stay in profit because if you keep adding numbers you must adjust it? 4 losses represent 6000u at your stop loss level.
Regards
Hi guys,
There is a way to improve this system, wait for 3 repeaters. Then simply add all numbers that come in,this way you hit a win much earlier on the long running sessions also you win earlier on the shorter running sessions. You do show more of your bank a lot earlier but you also hit a win much earlier.
I have gone through 10,000 spins and only one of the long sessions was under threat.
Out of all the testing i have done this is without doubt the longest running winning run i have had.
The thing with this is there will be a run of say 20-22 unique numbers and this is the time you have to be tracking or it will destroy your bank roll. It was said earlier though,if your bank roll is 2000 and you have the khahoonas this is unbeatable.
:thumbsup:
Mac duff,
I made some calculations on your last post. I am afraid you are wrong. If you want to last 20 spins with unique numbers, you would need a lot more than 2 000 units. After 16 spins, you are down 1749 units. So, if you consider that your bets grow exponantially, to get to 20 spins, you would have to bet at lest 5 000 units on spin 20. You need pretty big balls indeed. Dont forget, you still have 17 numbers at this point to send you crawling down the exit. I would hate to have to watch the ball spin around with so much at stake.
Insider
Quote from: insidebet on July 15, 2012, 04:08:06 PM
Mac duff,
I made some calculations on your last post. I am afraid you are wrong. If you want to last 20 spins with unique numbers, you would need a lot more than 2 000 units. After 16 spins, you are down 1749 units. So, if you consider that your bets grow exponantially, to get to 20 spins, you would have to bet at lest 5 000 units on spin 20. You need pretty big balls indeed. Dont forget, you still have 17 numbers at this point to send you crawling down the exit. I would hate to have to watch the ball spin around with so much at stake.
Insider
I do realise this, the most i have had to bet was 15 numbers this put my bank roll under pressure as it could have gone longer but it didnt(it resulted in a 20-30 unit loss)
The collection of numbers before you have a trigger are also included in a session,so you may well have a repeater before you start on 20 unique numbers.This would result in a win.
I will say again that this is the longest winning system i have tested,and would also say that the law of the third is a constant and is not a fallacy.
You are right though the stakes are very high for a small return when it does decide to test your resolve. :scratch_ones_head:
Have been testing at dublin bet and smartlive with .50 base bet.
Macduff,
Since you are interested in the law of third, I would like to bring your attention to an idea I posted a while back. It was in Brainstorming, if I remember well, and it was called Law of third with a twist. I don t remember getting any replies worthwile for an idea that semms quite logical at first. Since it is rather simple and brief, I will repeat it here.
The law of third states that after 37 spins you should have approximately 24-25 unique numbers and 12-13 repeats. Right? This the <<norm>>. Now what someone waited for the ratio to be out of the norm and bet that the numbers WILL return to the norm.
Say there only 4 repeat after 37 spins. Then you would be all the unique numbers until you get a more <<normal>> ratio, say 6 repeats- 25 unique. Now on the opposite, say you have 8 repeats and 21unique after 37 spins, then you would bet on all the numbers that have not appeared at all unti you get to a more so-called normal ratio.
Does that makes sense to you? If you look at the bell curve that law of third creates, you will see that the ratio cannot stay outside the norm for very long.
Regards
Insider
In 37 spins, roughly 12-13 numbers will not hot. A much simpler way to apply the system would be to bet all unhit #s once there are 15 or more unhit. The opposite is to bet all numbers that have hit once there 27 or more #s that have hit in the past 37 spins.
Insider
Hi insidebet,
Have just gone through 10.000 spins.Waiting for 3 repeaters and betting those until i have hit 24 spins,then bet all numbers that come in.The most numbers bet in 410 sessions is 15.
Hope you are still looking at this or can you see a better way to look at 3 repeaters in 37 as it is as constant as you will get on a roulette table.
Macduff :thumbsup:
Macduff,
Not sure I get this right. You wait for three repeaters. Why not start after one repeater?
Anyway wait for three, then bet on those three until spin 24 from the start? Or 24 from the moment you get your third repeater? If it is the first option, I imagine you will bet on all repeaters that come after the third repeater. After spin 24 you back all #s that come, repeater or not. All this with the appropriate progression that gives a net gain after a win, right? The progression must be pretty steep if you don t hit for a while.
Insider
Just for fun I tested the wy I think you meant it. On my tenth session I had to back 17 #s with an astronomical number of chips. Oh well!!!
Insider
Hi insidebet,
In 410 sessions i have not bet more than 15 numbers(this may be luck).I dont bet on 1st repeater as most common hit is 3,4,5,6 for 3rd repeat. The idea betting all from 24th spin is that it is more common for a hit within 24 spins,24 spins are recorded from 1st spin of that session.
In all sessions if i do not bet all numbers after 24spins the most amount of repeat numbers bet is 14.
The thing with this is you know there will be a result,but it can be very costly waiting for a result :( .Adding all numbers does improve system.If only one more tweak could be found. :yahoo:
Btw how good is that yahoo smiley.
Quote from: macduff on July 23, 2012, 07:58:29 AM
Btw how good is that yahoo smiley.
Do not bet on more than 4 numbers flat or with prog. Preferably use only 2 max.
Payout ratio is not there. ;D
Quote from: Robeenhuut on July 23, 2012, 12:34:34 PM
Do not bet on more than 4 numbers flat or with prog. Preferably use only 2 max.
Payout ratio is not there. ;D
So discard all bets except 4 numbers,that leaves corner bets a street an single number only or maybe 2 neighbours.No progression,just be ready to bet your 4 numbers :blink:
If only it was that simple.