Hi guys,
I am new to this so please be gentle :-[ , but be honest.
I adjusted one of bikemotorman's systems , found here hxxp: vlsroulette. com/full-systems/i-think-i-have-come-up-with-a-winning-method-by-accident/. (I hope he doesn't mind :thumbsup: )
My twist appears to be quite effective, but I lack the skills to run it through testing software. I have just run a test of 100 spins with a beginning BR of $366 and it came up with a profit of $425-$366=$59. I played $1 units with a progression of 1 2 4 8 16 32 64 128. I never went past the 3rd progression during the 100 spins. Although it probably will go higher at some point.
bikemotorman played his system by betting alternately on 2 of the 3 dozens. Read his thread if you want to see more.
My system play on the red and black, but with the same principle, play on the winning then the losing side.
Example: playing real money online.
1st Spin: I got 25 (R), I chose W first so I bet $1 on Red (Red won, so I bet on Red - since it won this spin)
2nd Spin: I got 10 (B), I must use L, so I bet $2 on Red (Black Won, so I bet on Red - which lost this spin)
3rd Spin: I got 6 (B), now I use W, so I bet $4 on Black (Black Won, so I bet on Black - since black won this spin)
4th Spin: I got 7 (R), now I use L, so I bet $8 on Black (Red Won, so I bet on black - since red lost this spin)
5th Spin: I got 24 (B), I win $16 (Total profit is $1) and I use W, so I bet $1 on black (since black won this spin)
6th Spin: I got 3 (R), now I use L, so I bet $2 on Black
7th Spin: I got 5 (R), now I use W, so I bet $4 on Red
8th Spin: I got 34 (R), I win $8 so I have a total profit of $2 after 8 spins
This system is very easy. I will keep on testing, but since I am testing by hand it will take quite some time to get a decent number of spins.
Motorbikeman's previous system is extremely effective, the only problem is the huge progression (flat betting didn't convince me while playing). This method has a much lower progression. Please test this and give me your ideas. Thanks.
I tested this system again playing real money online (perhaps not the best idea :-\ ) but I wanted to test emotions. Only 50 spins this time, but with $5 chips and a $432 starting BR. After 50 spins I ended up with $569. A total of $137 after 50 spins. I went up to an 4 step progression two times, but that was the highest (risking $8 with a total drawdown of $1 + $2 + $4 + $8 = $15). I am quite excited about the results so far, but then again, we all are when we are just beginning. I am going to try this again, but with play money this time. Maybe run $25 chips >:D
OK, this is probably my last test for today. I used playmoney at an online casino. I played French Roulette. When I hit zero in this game I ignore it and simply continue the games (thus increasing the Progression).
I played $25 since my beginning bankroll was $6594 (nice to have playmoney). This was the amount that was available in my play for fun account at this particular online casino. I decided to stop when I hit $300 profit. It was hit after 27 spins. Zero never came up, but I hit a 3rd step progression twice and a 7 step progression once (this one was scary, betting $1600 on Red). But that was the highest it ever got.
I still believe this system has a lot of merit, but I really need the experience of all of you. I do not believe that this is the holy grail (if there is such a thing, but I think it can be profitable. . . and it is extremely easy to play).
QuoteI am new to this so please be gentle :-[ , but be honest.
Well first we will forget about the progression above, the marty, so now you can show us the bet selection again and then maybe we can do something about your tweak.
Cheers LS
OK. I am not sure I understand your post :-[
Bet selection is quite simple. I work only red and black. Which Color is dependent on the following criteria: WLWLWLWLWLW etc.
I start by spinning the wheel without betting, to get a color. If red comes up I use the above criteria to determine which color to bet on.
W is first, so since Red came up (Won) I bet $1 on red. If red comes up again, I win $1 and I move to the next step in the Criteria which is L. Since red came up in the last spin I now play L (the Loser) which is black. So I bet $1 on black. If red comes up again I lose $1 and I move to the next step in the criteria, which is W. Since red came up in the last spin it Won, so I play R again, but this time I use my progression bet, betting $2 on Red, and so forth.
My betting selection is made by choosing either the color that Won (W) the previous spin or choosing the color that did not win (L). If red came up a few times in a row, black will still be the loser, because it did not come up the last spin: therefore WLWLWLWLWLWLWLW etc. This remains constant the whole game. . . first I play the winning color, then the losing color, then the winning color, then the losing color ad finitum. It is not simply betting on red, then black, then red, then black etc.
I hope this is understandable.
OK, I tried again and I played 38 Spins with a starting BR of $6894 with $25 chips. Playmoney of course.
After 38 spins I had a bankroll of $7769. a Profit of $875. I hit zero twice, and received half my bet back, but I ignored the zeros and simply continued the game (but I did up my progression).
I did not really keep good records of my spins, but I will do so in the next round. I had one stage where my progression went up to 7 steps. That was a bet of $3200 (luckily I won $6400). The progression on this is a bit hairy, but if your BR is large enough (in comparison with the chips you play, you should be safe). Not really for the faint of heart. I would be happy if someone could tweak this. At least I haven't blown my BR yet 8) But I fear it could happen
To play with $1 chips I would recommend a BR of $500. If that is too steep a $120 BR with 0. 25 chips should keep you in the profit. Will test this at some stage
I played with real money (BR of 146). I played $1 units. Was not allowed to play lower units at this table. I should have walked away, but I wanted to test this under real circumstances.
I almost blew my entire BR on the 50th spin. Went up to the 7th progression, but my BR was to small to cover the whole $128 I needed to put down. So I went "all or nothing" and betted my remaining balance ($44) and won (luckily), but ended up at $88. I was at $169 after 49 spins. I continued playing and stopped the game when I managed to rebuilt my BR back up to $144. Total spins for this game was 148 spins. I was stupid to try this with so small bankroll :-\ , but I have faith in this system. Having a system that could build up to almost starting BR after almost blowing the whole thing is not bad, I think. If I had just a slightly higher BR I should have been fine for this 148 spins and I probably would have come out with a nice profit instead of a $2 loss.
Playing according to your BR is extremely important.
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Well first we will forget about the progression above
I am not sure this game will be profitable without progression. I will test it later
Played a game of 53 spins without progession. Online, playmoney. Started with $770. Ended with $775. Zero came up two times, but I simply ignored this and continued playing. Not sure if a $5 profit after 53 spins is worthwhile. At least it is a quick game. I believe progression is still a better move. I have once made $31 at one stage playing $1 in 55 spins with progression.
Thanks for posting the idea Babs, may other fellow members contribute too :thumbsup:
Perhaps you could send us past spun numbers,so we can see if tweaks are neccessary.
Iboba 8)
OK, when I play again I will jot everything down. At this moment I only jot down RL BW BL RW etc. not numbers. I will play another game of 50 spins as soon as possible and post the results here.
OK Here goes. Online casino, playmoney, BR=$775
To start, spin with no bet: Number 6 Black. I take the Betting Sequence of WLWLWLWLW etc. So I bet on Black first. The First column shows on what color I bet, and how much. The second column shows what number came up after the spin (and the third the color of the number). The fourth column simply shows what my next betting sequence will be. Since I started with 6 Black on W, my second spin will be L. Thus, since Black won the last spin, this time it should be R. The fifth column shows my bankroll, starting at $774, and the last column shows my win/lose amount per spin (not profit). There is 25 spins (26 if you include the first spin). I hope this is enough data to help. I made $13 in 25 spins.
Bet on Number Color Next Betting
Sequence BR
B $1 35 B L 775 Won $1
R $1 17 B W 774 Loss $1
B $2 22 B L 776 Won $4
R $1 8 B W 775 Loss $1
B $2 21 R L 773 Loss $2
B $4 17 B W 777 Win $8
B $1 25 R L 776 Lose $1
B $2 13 B W 778 Win $4
B $1 6 B L 779 Win $1
R $1 12 R W 780 Win $1
R $1 24 B L 779 Lose $1
R $2 18 R W 781 Win $4
R $1 34 R L 782 Win $1
B $1 34 R W 781 Lose $1
R $2 5 R L 783 WIn $4
B $1 7 R W 782 Lose $1
R $2 36 R L 784 Win $4
B $1 21 R W 783 Lose $1
R $2 36 R L 785 Win $4
B $1 35 B W 786 Win $1
B $1 7 R L 785 Lose $1
B $2 17 B W 787 Win $4
B $1 27 R L 786 Lose $1
B $2 10 B W 788 Win $4
I am also testing this system for quite a while and it seems working with all E/C. . . but yes progression goes above 5 times. . . when group comes like BB RR BB comes.
Babs can you afford to lose the money? I hope so, because that's what is going to happen with a martingale progression.
QuoteBabs can you afford to lose the money? I hope so, because that's what is going to happen with a martingale progression.
Yes an aggressive progression will be expensive so I hope you wont get hurt to soon.
Maybe you can try to divide the attacks into groups.
Also divide an progression into different intervals where the first gains a profit and the second one break even or cut a loss limit.
This way you might have more fun for a longer period of time.
Here is the result you post above in your previous post:
W 1 +1
L 1
W 1
L 1
L 1
W 1 +0
L 1
W 1
W 1
W 1 +2
L 1
W 1
W 1 +3
L 1
W 1
L 1
W 1
L 1
W 1
W 1 +4
L 1
W 1
L 1
W 1 +4
As you can see I use a line with 1 1 1 where there is no increase.
You don't have to win at every step using an progression.
Here is one other illustration.
Here you can see why there is no need to win at every step using a progression.
L 1
W 1
W 1 +1
L 1
L 1
W 1 +0
W 1
W 1
W 1
W 1 +4
L 1
L 1
L 1
W 2 +3
W 1 +4
L 1
L 1
W 1 +3
L 1
W 1
L 1
L 1
L 1
W 2 +2
W 1 +3
L 1
L 1
W 1 +2
L 1
W 1
W 1 +3
L 1
L 1
W 1 +2
W 1
W 1 +4
L 1
W 1
W 1 +5
L 1
L 1
W 1 +4
W 1
W 1
W 1 +7
L 1
W 1
L 1
W 1
L 1
W 1
L 1
W 1
W 1 +8
L 1
L 1
L 1
L 2
W 3 +6
W 1
W 1 +8
L 1
W 1
L 1
W 1
W 1
W 1 +10
L 1
W 1
W 1 +11
L 1
W 1
L 1
W 1
W 1 +12
L 1
L 1
W 1 +11
W 1
W 1 +13
L 1
L 1
W 1 +12
W 1
W 1
W 1 +15
L 1
L 1
L 1
W 2 +14
W 1 +15
L 1
L 1
L 1
L 2
W 3 +13
W 1
W 1 +15
There is ways to use attacks with 3 steps marty's for intervals but to succeed to do that you have to have super supreme selections.
I hope for the best and that you take it easy when you play with real money.
Cheers LS
QuoteBabs can you afford to lose the money? I hope so, because that's what is going to happen with a martingale progression.
That is what I am afraid of. That is why I am asking your advice here. I believe this system can be profitable, but I need to find some way to control my money.
QuoteYes an aggressive progression will be expensive so I hope you wont get hurt to soon.
Maybe you can try to divide the attacks into groups.
Also divide an progression into different intervals where the first gains a profit and the second one break even or cut a loss limit.
LuckyStrike, could you please explain this a bit more. Sorry if I am a bit dense, but I am not well versed in Roulette. Also, please give me more help in terms of the progression you advised. I looked at the numbers you have posted, but I am struggling to make sense of it all.
Thanks all for helping me. Even if this system is bull, I am learning a lot at this moment.
QuoteI hope for the best and that you take it easy when you play with real money.
Yes, I lost my head a bit. At least I was able to win back all my loses, but I saw how quickly your money can drain away. I think I learned my lesson, and hopefully my emotions will stay intact next time. It seems so easy, and quick when playing fun money.
For me this is the biggest advantage of this forum: people have been here before. Most of you also had a system at one stage that you thought was the one to use, only to discover later that it has some serious flaws. I will most likely learn the same about my current system, no matter how promising the numbers currently looks. But this is the way to learn. Taking baby steps, learning from your mistakes and listening to the advice of those before you. Thanks again.
I thought about your ideas and I came across the following Progression in another post: 1 3 5 7 9 11 15 (not sure what the next numbers should be), and I have tested it quickly and it does no worse than my previous progression of 1 2 4 8 16 32 64. But I can clearly see the danger in my previous progression, as I have stated earlier... it is expensive. I will attempt various progressions to see what happens with each. If any of you have any suggestion I would be glad to test them.
Hi guys, I read more about Lanky's 6 point divider system and it triggered something in me. So I started using that Money management system with my current idea and it appears to be working real well.
I chose $60 profit which means that my first bet is $10. Using Lanky's Divisor System I have had very good results the last few days. I played a session just now, using playmoney, and a bankroll of $100. I hit a $60 profit in 33 spins. My BR hit a lowest point of $24 once, after 10 spins when I hit two zero's after each other. After that one bad streak it never moved under $66, and my highest bet was $16 at one point. Luckily with the 6 Divisor system you can hit the brakes when it appears as if your BR can be wiped out. Very nice MM system. I do not think that my system is the best there is, but so far my results have been satisfactorily enough for me to keep on testing this.
QuoteBabs can you afford to lose the money? I hope so, because that's what is going to happen with a martingale progression.
Hopefully the Divisor system will protect me for longer against being wiped out.
QuoteHopefully the Divisor system will protect me for longer against being wiped out.
Hi babs .
It certainly will help you My Friend.
Lanky.
QuoteIt certainly will help you My Friend.
Lanky.
I appears so :D
Not sure if I am implementing it correctly, but so far it has not failed me. I will continue my testing and post the results when possible
babs go to the new section Classical Systems because I will post some methods there for even money bets.
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=258.0 (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=258.0)
LS
HI BABS,
I DONT THINK THIS WILL WORK, THERE ARE TOO MANY STREAKS WITH THE EVEN CHANCES.
WHAT I AM SAYING IS YOU CAN HAVE 15-20 BLACK OR RED IN A ROW AND NO PROGRESSION WILL SAVE YOU FROM THAT, I HAVE TRIED TO DO WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IN YOUR POSTS BUT 7 TO 8 LOSSES IN A ROW ARE COMMON.
THIS IS JUST MY OPINION IT DOES NOT MAKE ME CORRECT OR INCORRECT.
WHEN I CAME UP WITH MY SYSTEM I UNDERSTOOD THAT DOZENS HAVE SMALLER STREAKS THEN THE EVEN CHANCES.
STUART
This system intrigued me, so I compared it with actual spin results from my RNG LIVE plays. Sample used in this case was approx 4100 spins, which I consider to be a reasonable test for any system. Zero is treated as if it was the previous colour.
The following is a distribution analysis of the wins - W1 means that it won on the first bet, W2 means that it won on the 2nd bet . . . . . .
W1 = 1043
W2 = 519
W3 = 248
W4 = 131
W5 = 60
W6 = 31
W7 = 17
W8 = 8
W9 = 4
W10= 1
W11= 0
W12= 0
W13= 0
W14= 1
So over 4000+ spins, you would have one instance of 13 losses followed by a win (W14) - and the pattern for this calamity was BBrrBBrrBBrrBr where "B" is a Black and "r" is a Red.
This system cant cope with BBrrBBrrBBrr, or with rBrBrB unless you were lucky and won on the first black (or red if the sequence was reversed) - so watch out for it.
Based on the above distribution patterns, the only safe bet is to bet on the first 7 only and then wait for a win. Best betting strategy based on THIS DISTRIBUTION PATTERN is 3, 5, 10, 20, 40, 80 and 160 units. Wont break the bank if you are betting on a casino with a 1 unit minimum and 250 unit maximum, but you need a big bank and some pills for the occassional heart attack. Maximum profits occurs when betting the first 9 and then waiting for a win, but most of us will reach the table maximum.
You need at least a 1000 unit bank roll and you will make 600 units over 4000+ spins.
Biggest drawdown was -636 units in one session, and here are the individual sessions, with Profit & Loss (P&L) and bank balances.
Session
No# P&L Bank
0 1000
1 60 1060
2 194 1254
3 278 1532
4 -42 1490
5 241 1731
6 -395 1336
7 117 1453
8 124 1577
9 -99 1478
10 31 1509
11 -367 1142
12 -74 1068
13 186 1254
14 289 1543
15 -267 1276
16 90 1366
17 118 1484
18 74 1558
19 -262 1296
20 -68 1228
21 -70 1158
22 77 1235
23 280 1515
24 -46 1469
25 -133 1336
26 118 1454
27 177 1631
28 24 1655
29 -100 1555
30 92 1647
This system has some merit, if you can catch the rBrBrB and rrBBrrBBrrBB sequences or their inverse patterns rBrB~BrBr and rrBBrrBB~BBrrBBrr fairly early in the game, otherwise it does you in. Also dont forget this is profiled over 4100+ spins which means that you are effectively winning something like 5-6 units per hour - ROI (Return on investment), on this is 5-6%, so its not going to make you rich.
You are probably better off getting a second job or doing some overtime.
Thanks guys for your help
Hi Babs,
How about trying it another way instead of LAST WON LAST LOST.
TRY IT LIKE THIS BELOW.
LAST WON
LAST WON
LAST LOST
LAST WON
LAST WON
LAST LOST
LAST WON
LAST WON
LAST LOST
IT IS NOT EVEN IT MAY HELP IT MAY NOT TRY IT.
STUART :)
Thanks. I will try it. At this moment I am trying a lot of different systems and some look promising others not.
Thanks for your advice
OK I TESTED THIS IMPROVEMENT TO MY LAST LOST LAST ONE SYSTEM, BUT FOR RED AND BLACK.
I PLAYED THIS FOR ONE HOUR ON JBET THIS MORNING IT SLOWLY GAINS MONEY, THE MOST LOSSES IN A ROW WAS FOUR.
LWWWLWWLLWWWWWWLLWWLLWLWLLWLLLLWWLLWLLWLLLWLLWLLLWLWWLLWW
PLAY STEP ONE LAST WON
PLAY STEP TWO LAST WON
PLAY STEP THREE LAST LOST
10 15 25 40 65 105 170 275 300
THE PROGRESSION I USED ABOVE
IT SEEMS BY PLAYING LAST WON, LAST WON THEN LAST LOST IT CHANGES THINGS QUITE A BIT I LIKE TO PLAY IT ON RED AND BLACK. :good:
STUART
I played more today with good results, I did get up to six losses in a row but my system held out and made a profit.
BY PLAYING THIS WAY IT SEEMS TO REALLY HELP, EVEN PLAYING TWO DOZENS LIKE MORGAN AND LANKY YOU CAN HIT SIX LLLLLL IN A ROW.
LAST WON
LAST WON
LAST LOST
PLAY OVER AND OVER AGAIN
CAN SOMEONE TEST THIS A BIT MAYBE FOR A THOUSAND SPINS.
I REALLY LIKE PLAYING THIS WAY ON EVEN CHANCES.
STUART