Adjusted System of Motorman - Can it be profitable? Please help

[babs]

Hi guys,
I am new to this so please be gentle  , but be honest.

I adjusted one of bikemotorman's systems , found here hxxp: vlsroulette. com/full-systems/i-think-i-have-come-up-with-a-winning-method-by-accident/.  (I hope he doesn't mind  )

My twist appears to be quite effective, but I lack the skills to run it through testing software.  I have just run a test of 100 spins with a beginning BR of $366 and it came up with a profit of $425-$366=$59.  I played $1 units with a progression of 1 2 4 8 16 32 64 128.   I never went past the 3rd progression during the 100 spins.  Although it probably will go higher at some point.

bikemotorman played his system by betting alternately on 2 of the 3 dozens.  Read his thread if you want to see more. 
My system play on the red and black, but with the same principle, play on the winning then the losing side.


Example: playing real money online.


1st Spin: I got 25 (R), I chose W first so I bet $1 on Red  (Red won, so I bet on Red - since it won this spin)
2nd Spin: I got 10 (B), I must use L, so I bet $2 on Red    (Black Won, so I bet on Red - which lost this spin)
3rd Spin: I got 6 (B), now I use W, so I bet $4 on Black  (Black Won, so I bet on Black - since black won this spin)
4th Spin: I got 7 (R), now I use L, so I bet $8 on Black   (Red Won, so I bet on black - since red lost this spin)
5th Spin: I got 24 (B), I win $16 (Total profit is $1) and I use  W, so I bet $1 on black (since black won this spin)
6th Spin: I got 3 (R), now I use L, so I bet $2 on Black
7th Spin: I got 5 (R), now I use W, so I bet $4 on Red
8th Spin: I got 34 (R), I win $8 so I have a total profit of $2 after 8 spins

This system is very easy.  I will keep on testing, but since I am testing by hand it will take quite some time to get a decent number of spins.
Motorbikeman's previous system is extremely effective, the only problem is the huge progression (flat betting didn't convince me while playing).  This method has a much lower progression.  Please test this and give me your ideas.  Thanks.

[babs]

I tested this system again playing real money online (perhaps not the best idea  ) but I wanted to test emotions.  Only 50 spins this time, but with $5 chips and a $432 starting BR.  After 50 spins I ended up with $569.  A total of $137 after 50 spins.  I went up to an 4 step progression two times, but that was the highest (risking $8 with a total drawdown  of $1 + $2 + $4 + $8 = $15).   I am quite excited about the results so far, but then again, we all are when we are just beginning.  I am going to try this again, but with play money this time.   Maybe run $25 chips 

[babs]

OK, this is probably my last test for today.  I used playmoney at an online casino.  I played French Roulette.  When I hit zero in this game I ignore it and simply continue the games (thus increasing the Progression).

I played $25 since my beginning bankroll was $6594 (nice to have playmoney).  This was the amount that was available in my play for fun account at this particular online casino.   I decided to stop when I hit $300 profit.  It was hit after 27 spins.  Zero never came up, but I hit a 3rd step progression twice and a 7 step progression once (this one was scary, betting $1600 on Red).   But that was the highest it ever got.

I still believe this system has a lot of merit, but I really need the experience of all of you.  I do not believe that this is the holy grail (if there is such a thing, but I think it can be profitable. . .  and it is extremely easy to play).

[lucky_strike]

I am new to this so please be gentle  , but be honest.

Well first we will forget about the progression above, the marty, so now you can show us the bet selection again and then maybe we can do something about your tweak.

Cheers LS

[babs]

OK.  I am not sure I understand your post 

Bet selection is quite simple.  I work only red and black.  Which Color is dependent on the following criteria: WLWLWLWLWLW etc.

I start by spinning the wheel without betting, to get a color.  If red comes up I use the above criteria to determine which color to bet on.
W is first, so since Red came up (Won) I bet $1 on red.  If red comes up again, I win $1 and  I move to the next step in the Criteria which is L.  Since red came up in the last spin I now play L (the Loser) which is black.  So I bet $1 on black.  If red comes up again I lose $1 and I move to the next step in the criteria, which is W.  Since red came up in the last spin it Won, so I play R again, but this time I use my progression bet, betting $2 on Red, and so forth.

My betting selection is made by choosing either the color that Won (W) the previous spin or choosing the color that did not win (L).  If red came up a few times in a row, black will still be the loser, because it did not come up the last spin: therefore WLWLWLWLWLWLWLW etc.  This remains constant the whole game. . .  first I play the winning color, then the losing color, then the winning color, then the losing color ad finitum.  It is not simply betting on red, then black, then red, then black etc. 

I hope this is understandable. 

[babs]

OK, I tried again and I played 38 Spins with a starting BR of $6894 with $25 chips.  Playmoney of course.

After 38 spins I had a bankroll of $7769.  a Profit of $875. I hit zero twice, and received half my bet back, but I ignored the zeros and simply continued the game (but I did up my progression).

I did not really keep good records of my spins, but I will do so in the next round.  I had one stage where my progression went up to 7 steps.  That was a bet of $3200 (luckily I won $6400).  The progression on this is a bit hairy, but if your BR is large enough (in comparison with the chips you play, you should be safe).   Not really for the faint of heart.  I would be happy if someone could tweak this.  At least I haven't blown my BR yet    But I fear it could happen

To play with $1 chips I would recommend a BR of $500.  If that is too steep a $120 BR with 0. 25 chips should keep you in the profit.  Will test this at some stage

[babs]

I played with real money (BR of 146). I played $1 units. Was not allowed to play lower units at this table. I should have walked away, but I wanted to test this under real circumstances. 

I almost blew my entire BR on the 50th spin. Went up to the 7th progression, but my BR was to small to cover the whole $128 I needed to put down. So I went "all or nothing" and betted my remaining balance ($44) and won (luckily), but ended up at $88. I was at $169 after 49 spins. I continued playing and stopped the game when I managed to rebuilt my BR back up to $144. Total spins for this game was 148 spins. I was stupid to try this with so small bankroll  , but I have faith in this system. Having a system that could build up to almost starting BR after almost blowing the whole thing is not bad, I think.  If I had just a slightly higher BR I should have been fine for this 148 spins and I probably would have come out with a nice profit instead of a $2 loss.
Playing according to your BR is extremely important.

Well first we will forget about the progression above

I am not sure this game will be profitable without progression.  I will test it later

[babs]

Played a game of 53 spins without progession. Online, playmoney. Started with $770. Ended with $775. Zero came up two times, but I simply ignored this and continued playing. Not sure if a $5 profit after 53 spins is worthwhile. At least it is a quick game. I believe progression is still a better move.  I have once made  $31 at one stage playing $1 in 55 spins with progression. 

[VLSroulette]

Thanks for posting the idea Babs, may other fellow members contribute too 

[iboba]

Perhaps you could send us past spun numbers,so we can see if tweaks are neccessary.
                                                                                                       Iboba

[babs]

OK, when I play again I will jot everything down. At this moment I only jot down RL BW BL RW etc. not numbers. I will play another game of 50 spins as soon as possible and post the results here.

[babs]

OK Here goes. Online casino, playmoney, BR=$775

To start, spin with no bet: Number 6 Black. I take the Betting Sequence of WLWLWLWLW etc. So I bet on Black first. The First column shows on what color I bet, and how much. The second column shows what number came up after the spin (and the third the color of the number). The fourth column simply shows what my next betting sequence will be. Since I started with 6 Black on W, my second spin will be L. Thus, since Black won the last spin, this time it should be R. The fifth column shows my bankroll, starting at $774, and the last column shows my win/lose amount per spin (not profit). There is 25 spins (26 if you include the first spin). I hope this is enough data to help. I made $13 in 25 spins.

Bet on      Number     Color      Next Betting
                                          Sequence                BR
  B  $1         35           B                L                   775     Won $1
  R  $1         17           B                W                  774     Loss $1
  B  $2         22           B                L                   776     Won $4
  R  $1         8            B                 W                  775     Loss $1
  B  $2         21          R                 L                   773      Loss $2
  B  $4         17           B                W                  777     Win $8
  B  $1         25           R                L                    776     Lose $1
  B  $2         13           B                W                   778     Win $4
  B  $1         6             B                L                    779     Win $1
  R  $1         12           R                 W                  780    Win $1
  R  $1          24          B                 L                   779     Lose $1
  R  $2          18          R                 W                  781    Win $4
  R  $1          34          R                  L                  782    Win $1
  B  $1          34         R                   W                 781   Lose $1
  R  $2          5          R                    L                  783     WIn $4
  B  $1          7           R                   W                 782     Lose $1
  R  $2          36          R                   L                  784     Win $4
  B  $1          21          R                  W                  783     Lose $1
  R   $2         36          R                   L                   785    Win $4
  B   $1         35          B                  W                   786    Win $1
  B   $1          7          R                   L                    785   Lose $1
  B   $2         17         B                   W                   787   Win $4
  B   $1         27         R                    L                    786   Lose $1
  B   $2        10         B                     W                   788   Win $4

[jeet_toronto]

I am also testing this system for quite a while and it seems working with  all E/C.   . . but yes progression goes above 5 times. . . when group comes like BB RR BB comes. 

[Shorty]

Babs can you afford to lose the money? I hope so, because that's what is going to happen with a martingale progression.

[lucky_strike]

Babs can you afford to lose the money? I hope so, because that's what is going to happen with a martingale progression.

Yes an aggressive progression will be expensive so I hope you wont get hurt to soon.
Maybe you can try to divide the attacks into groups.
Also divide an progression into different intervals where the first gains a profit and the second one break even or cut a loss limit.

This way you might have more fun for a longer period of time.
Here is the result you post above in your previous post:

W 1 +1
L 1
W 1
L 1
L 1
W 1 +0
L 1
W 1
W 1
W 1 +2
L 1
W 1
W 1 +3
L 1
W 1
L 1
W 1
L 1
W 1
W 1 +4
L 1
W 1
L 1
W 1 +4

As you can see I use a line with 1 1 1 where there is no increase.
You don't have to win at every step using an progression.

Here is one other illustration.
Here you can see why there is no need to win at every step using a progression.

L 1
W 1
W 1 +1
L 1
L 1
W 1 +0
W 1
W 1
W 1
W 1 +4
L 1
L 1
L 1
W 2 +3
W 1 +4
L 1
L 1
W 1 +3
L 1
W 1
L 1
L 1
L 1
W 2 +2
W 1 +3
L 1
L 1
W 1 +2
L 1
W 1
W 1 +3
L 1
L 1
W 1 +2
W 1
W 1 +4
L 1
W 1
W 1 +5
L 1
L 1
W 1 +4
W 1
W 1
W 1 +7
L 1
W 1
L 1
W 1
L 1
W 1
L 1
W 1
W 1 +8
L 1
L 1
L 1
L 2
W 3 +6
W 1
W 1 +8
L 1
W 1
L 1
W 1
W 1
W 1 +10
L 1
W 1
W 1 +11
L 1
W 1
L 1
W 1
W 1 +12
L 1
L 1
W 1 +11
W 1
W 1 +13
L 1
L 1
W 1 +12
W 1
W 1
W 1 +15
L 1
L 1
L 1
W 2 +14
W 1 +15
L 1
L 1
L 1
L 2
W 3 +13
W 1
W 1 +15

There is ways to use attacks with 3 steps marty's for intervals but to succeed to do that you have to have super supreme selections.
I hope for the best and that you take it easy when you play with real money.

Cheers LS

[lucky_strike]

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