Adjusted System of Motorman - Can it be profitable? Please help

[babs]

Babs can you afford to lose the money? I hope so, because that's what is going to happen with a martingale progression.

That is what I am afraid of. That is why I am asking your advice here.  I believe this system can be profitable, but I need to find some way to control my money.

Yes an aggressive progression will be expensive so I hope you wont get hurt to soon.
Maybe you can try to divide the attacks into groups.
Also divide an progression into different intervals where the first gains a profit and the second one break even or cut a loss limit.

LuckyStrike, could you please explain this a bit more. Sorry if I am a bit dense, but I am not well versed in Roulette.  Also, please give me more help in terms of the progression you advised. I looked at the numbers you have posted, but I am struggling to make sense of it all.

Thanks all for helping me. Even if this system is bull, I am learning a lot at this moment.

I hope for the best and that you take it easy when you play with real money.

Yes, I lost my head a bit. At least I was able to win back all my loses, but I saw how quickly your money can drain away. I think I learned my lesson, and hopefully my emotions will stay intact next time. It seems so easy, and quick when playing fun money.

For me this is the biggest advantage of this forum: people have been here before. Most of you also had a system at one stage that you thought was the one to use, only to discover later that it has some serious flaws. I will most likely learn the same about my current system, no matter how promising the numbers currently looks. But this is the way to learn. Taking baby steps, learning from your mistakes and listening to the advice of those before you. Thanks again.

I thought about your ideas and I came across the following Progression in another post: 1 3 5 7 9 11 15 (not sure what the next numbers should be), and I have tested it quickly and it does no worse than my previous progression of 1 2 4 8 16 32 64.  But I can clearly see the danger in my previous progression, as I have stated earlier... it is expensive. I will attempt various progressions to see what happens with each. If any of you have any suggestion I would be glad to test them.

[babs]

Hi guys, I read more about Lanky's 6 point divider system and it triggered something in me.  So I started using that Money management system with my current idea and it appears to be working real well.

I chose $60 profit which means that my first bet is $10. Using Lanky's Divisor System I have had very good results the last few days. I played a session just now, using playmoney, and a bankroll of $100. I hit a $60 profit in 33 spins. My BR hit a lowest point of $24 once, after 10 spins when I hit two zero's after each other. After that one bad streak it never moved under $66, and my highest bet was $16 at one point. Luckily with the 6 Divisor system you can hit the brakes when it appears as if your BR can be wiped out.  Very nice MM system. I do not think that my system is the best there is, but so far my results have been satisfactorily enough for me to keep on testing this.

Babs can you afford to lose the money? I hope so, because that's what is going to happen with a martingale progression.

Hopefully the Divisor system will protect me for longer against being wiped out.

[Lanky]

Hopefully the Divisor system will protect me for longer against being wiped out.

Hi babs .

It certainly will help you My Friend.

Lanky.

[babs]

It certainly will help you My Friend.

Lanky.

I appears so 

Not sure if I am implementing it correctly, but so far it has not failed me. I will continue my testing and post the results when possible

[lucky_strike]

babs go to the new section Classical Systems because I will post some methods there for even money bets.

nolinks://vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=258.0

LS

[bikemotorman]

HI BABS,

I DONT THINK THIS WILL WORK, THERE ARE TOO MANY STREAKS WITH THE EVEN CHANCES.
WHAT I AM SAYING IS YOU CAN HAVE 15-20 BLACK OR RED IN A ROW AND NO PROGRESSION WILL SAVE YOU FROM THAT, I HAVE TRIED TO DO WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IN YOUR POSTS BUT 7 TO 8 LOSSES IN A ROW ARE COMMON.
THIS IS JUST MY OPINION IT DOES NOT MAKE ME CORRECT OR INCORRECT.
WHEN I CAME UP WITH MY SYSTEM I UNDERSTOOD THAT DOZENS HAVE SMALLER STREAKS THEN THE EVEN CHANCES.

STUART

[any1ofus]

This system intrigued me, so I compared it with actual spin results from my RNG LIVE plays.    Sample used in this case was approx 4100 spins, which I consider to be a reasonable test for any system.    Zero is treated as if it was the previous colour. 

The following is a distribution analysis of the wins - W1 means that it won on the first bet, W2 means that it won on the 2nd bet .  .  .  .  .  . 

W1 = 1043
W2 = 519
W3 = 248
W4 = 131
W5 = 60
W6 = 31
W7 = 17
W8 = 8
W9 = 4
W10= 1
W11= 0
W12= 0
W13= 0
W14= 1

So over 4000+ spins, you would have one instance of 13 losses followed by a win (W14) - and the pattern for this calamity was BBrrBBrrBBrrBr where "B" is a Black and "r" is a Red. 
This system cant cope with BBrrBBrrBBrr, or with rBrBrB unless you were lucky and won on the first black (or red if the sequence was reversed) - so watch out for it. 

Based on the above distribution patterns, the only safe bet is to bet on the first 7 only and then wait for a win.    Best betting strategy based on THIS DISTRIBUTION PATTERN is 3, 5, 10, 20, 40, 80 and 160 units.    Wont break the bank if you are betting on a casino with a 1 unit minimum and 250 unit maximum, but you need a big bank and some pills for the occassional heart attack.    Maximum profits occurs when betting the first 9 and then waiting for a win, but most of us will reach the table maximum. 


You need at least a 1000 unit bank roll and you will make 600 units over 4000+ spins. 
Biggest drawdown was -636 units in one session, and here are the individual sessions, with Profit & Loss (P&L) and bank balances. 


Session
No#          P&L      Bank
0                        1000
1           60         1060
2         194         1254
3         278         1532
4         -42         1490
5         241         1731
6         -395         1336
7         117         1453
8         124         1577
9         -99         1478
10         31         1509
11         -367         1142
12         -74         1068
13         186         1254
14         289         1543
15         -267         1276
16         90         1366
17         118         1484
18         74         1558
19         -262         1296
20         -68         1228
21         -70         1158
22         77         1235
23         280         1515
24         -46         1469
25         -133         1336
26         118         1454
27         177         1631
28         24         1655
29         -100         1555
30         92         1647

This system has some merit, if you can catch the rBrBrB and rrBBrrBBrrBB sequences or their inverse patterns rBrB~BrBr and rrBBrrBB~BBrrBBrr fairly early in the game, otherwise it does you in.    Also dont forget this is profiled over 4100+ spins which means that you are effectively winning something like 5-6 units per hour - ROI (Return on investment), on this is 5-6%, so its not going to make you rich.    

You are probably better off getting a second job or doing some overtime.    

[babs]

Thanks guys for your help

[bikemotorman]

Hi Babs,

How about trying it another way instead of LAST WON LAST LOST.



TRY IT LIKE THIS BELOW.



LAST WON
LAST WON
LAST LOST
LAST WON
LAST WON
LAST LOST
LAST WON
LAST WON
LAST LOST

IT IS NOT EVEN IT MAY HELP IT MAY NOT TRY IT.


STUART 

[babs]

Thanks. I will try it. At this moment I am trying a lot of different systems and some look promising others not. 

Thanks for your advice

[bikemotorman]

OK I TESTED THIS IMPROVEMENT TO MY LAST LOST LAST ONE SYSTEM, BUT  FOR RED AND BLACK.

I PLAYED THIS FOR ONE HOUR ON JBET THIS MORNING IT SLOWLY GAINS MONEY, THE MOST LOSSES IN A ROW WAS FOUR.


LWWWLWWLLWWWWWWLLWWLLWLWLLWLLLLWWLLWLLWLLLWLLWLLLWLWWLLWW


PLAY STEP ONE    LAST WON 

PLAY STEP TWO   LAST WON 

PLAY STEP THREE LAST LOST


10 15 25 40 65 105 170 275 300

THE PROGRESSION I USED ABOVE

IT SEEMS BY PLAYING LAST WON, LAST WON THEN LAST LOST IT CHANGES THINGS QUITE A BIT I LIKE TO PLAY IT ON RED AND BLACK.


STUART

[bikemotorman]

I played more today with good results, I did get up to six losses in a row but my system held out and made a profit.



BY PLAYING THIS WAY IT SEEMS TO REALLY HELP, EVEN PLAYING TWO DOZENS LIKE MORGAN AND LANKY YOU CAN HIT SIX LLLLLL IN A ROW.

LAST WON

LAST WON

LAST LOST

PLAY OVER AND OVER AGAIN


CAN SOMEONE TEST THIS A BIT MAYBE FOR A THOUSAND SPINS.

I REALLY LIKE PLAYING THIS WAY ON EVEN CHANCES.


STUART

[bikemotorman]

-